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Stuartbe 23-03-2004 19:44
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Originally Posted by Graham
I'm sorry, Stuartbe, but this is *EXACTLY* what I am talking about when I refer to "Appeal to Emotion".

I am *not* forgetting about the child, however neither am I forgetting that *everyone*, *including* the child *and* the offender have rights!

If we forget that, if we allow emotion to override reason, we risk allowing lynch law, we risk damaging our system of justice and we risk losing those principles by which we call ourselves "civilised".
Sorry - The offenders rights go down the toilet when he/she kills or abuses a helpless child as far as I am concerned and thats something that No One can change my mind about it... I have seen the damage that these **** bags do to children and its not nice.. Nightmares for years - crying themselves to sleep and not coming out of there shell for years...

Oh and since when has our so-called justice system been working ? How many court cases have you been envolved with where someone who is blatently guilty walks becouse of some quick talking baraster ?? Well I have seen a few !

Sorry m8 - but its this namny pamby cover them in cotton wool and " what about the poor criminal " bleedin heart liberal attitude that is going to be the ruin of this country.... How about addressing my question about the 20+ charitys/services there for the criminal and the one service for the victim !

You do something wrong - You pay for it - Its THAT simple !

Thats my feelings and I think you will find that they are the feelings of the majority of people !

Nothing personal - I am sure you are a nice guy but your prioritys are well screwed up !!!!!

Graham 23-03-2004 19:46
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Originally Posted by stuartbe
Sorry - The offenders rights go down the toilet when he/she kills or abuses a helpless child as far as I am concerned and thats something that No One can change my mind about it...
In which case I see little point in responding to this futher, since reasoned debate is clearly not possible here.

abailey152 23-03-2004 19:47
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Couldn't agree more. Well said Stu! :tu:

Stuartbe 23-03-2004 19:47
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Originally Posted by Graham
In which case I see little point in responding to this futher, since reasoned debate is clearly not possible here.
Correct... Thats all I have to say. :)

We will have to agree to disagree on this one Graham...

downquark1 23-03-2004 19:50
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Sorry - The offenders rights go down the toilet when he/she kills or abuses a helpless child as far as I am concerned and thats something that No One can change my mind about it... I have seen the damage that these **** bags do to children and its not nice.. Nightmares for years - crying themselves to sleep and not coming out of there shell for years...
Obviously the child should be helped sparing no expense, but inflicting pain on the criminal is not going to help the child recover.

Strange how people are more eager to discuss ways of punishing a criminal instead of helping a child.

Stuartbe 23-03-2004 19:52
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Originally Posted by downquark1
Obviously the child should be helped sparing no expense, but inflicting pain on the criminal is not going to help the child recover.

Strange how people are more eager to discuss ways of punishing a criminal instead of helping a child.
Could not agree more - thats why I raised the point about the 20+ charities for the criminal and the 1 for the victim !

zendawn 23-03-2004 20:00
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BBC2 tonight 9pm

Police Protecting Children

A pedo ring is smashed by the police.

Saw a bit on Richard and Judy, looked good.

Stuart 23-03-2004 20:04
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Originally Posted by stuartbe
Oh and since when has our so-called justice system been working ? How many court cases have you been envolved with where someone who is blatently guilty walks becouse of some quick talking baraster ?? Well I have seen a few !
Erm, unless I am very much mistaken, our justice system tries hundreds (if not thousands) of cases each year. We hear about the failures, but how many cases do we hear of? Three, maybe four big ones? How many does the press ignore?

Now, I don't have the exact figures of how many cases tried, and how many appeals won, but I am sure that the amount of times when our system of justice has failed is minimal compared to the number of cases tried.

Stuartbe 23-03-2004 20:12
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Originally Posted by scastle
Erm, unless I am very much mistaken, our justice system tries hundreds (if not thousands) of cases each year. We hear about the failures, but how many cases do we hear of? Three, maybe four big ones? How many does the press ignore?

Now, I don't have the exact figures of how many cases tried, and how many appeals won, but I am sure that the amount of times when our system of justice has failed is minimal compared to the number of cases tried.
The trouble is that one failure is one to many ! If it lets a dangerous pervert walk the streets !

Pierre 23-03-2004 20:13
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In 2001 over five *THOUSAND* children were killed or seriously injured in accidents on Britain's roads.

http://www.theaa.com/staticdocs/pdf...hild_safety.pdf

Can you *really* just ignore that with a glib comment??
Yes as it has sod all to do with what we are talking about.

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Sorry m8 - but its this namny pamby cover them in cotton wool and " what about the poor criminal " bleedin heart liberal attitude that is going to be the ruin of this country.... How about addressing my question about the 20+ charitys/services there for the criminal and the one service for the victim !

You do something wrong - You pay for it - Its THAT simple !

Thats my feelings and I think you will find that they are the feelings of the majority of people !

Nothing personal - I am sure you are a nice guy but your prioritys are well screwed up !!!!!
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

downquark1 23-03-2004 20:25
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Originally Posted by stuartbe
The trouble is that one failure is one to many ! If it lets a dangerous pervert walk the streets !
I'm sorry but a 100% successful conviction rate while at the same time ensuring innocents aren't convicted is impractical.

I don't think the choice of either to punish or not to punish is the argument here. But rather what the punishment should be, is it possible to rehab and should we attempt to rehab.

Stuartbe 23-03-2004 20:29
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Yes.. I am all for rehab... But if it does not work then he/she needs to be locked up.....

Half the problem is --- How do you tell that he/she is rehabilitated ?

Stuart 23-03-2004 20:52
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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
Yes.. I am all for rehab... But if it does not work then he/she needs to be locked up.....
Agreed :tu:
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Half the problem is --- How do you tell that he/she is rehabilitated ?
If they ever re-offend, they should be locked up?

Stuartbe 23-03-2004 21:01
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Originally Posted by scastle
Agreed :tu:

If they ever re-offend, they should be locked up?
The problem is that its to late then... The damage is done !

downquark1 23-03-2004 21:03
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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
The problem is that its to late then... The damage is done !
That's the nature of the justice system, you can't punish someone before they've done anything.

If you offer assistance you can encourage them to come forward for the help, but few would volunteer for prison.


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