What's twice?

Pretty obvious to me.

Trains have laminated glass - that are designed not to shatter - not reinforced glass. Laminated glass isn't too difficult to remove with a hammer - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in providing hammers by the windows in trains.

Obviously. Go on, indulge an idiot. :wavey:

Thats what I thought. Now go tell that to Russ.....:D

Even born again, Bible-believing Christians disagree on some of the finer fringe issues ... we all agree on the central, important stuff, but that's got nowt to do with ID cards. ;)

You're missing the point - I never said I'd refuse to have that silly ID card, neither did I say that it would be what Revelations states. I just pointed out that I did not think it should be compulsary.

Passports are entirely different btw - they are only required if you go abroad. Apart from a one-year passport when I was 17 I've never had one actually.

i stand corrected...

dont go around reading the etchings in the corners or breaking glass much to know tho :D as far as im concerned glass is glass...

*remembers the days when you didnt need a passport to travel in europe...

I thought you were only 18? You've needed a passport to travel round Europe since the late 19th century, afaik ...

i am. i went to greece when i was 14 and it stated on our tickets that passports werent required. before 9/11 airflights round europe were like trains werent they?

anyway i had a passport but there were more than one businessman who just showed their boarding cards and didnt have passports...

edit : cjanged my age from 145 to 14 :rolleyes: i cant type...

Very odd. Did you fly from a different European country into Greece? The UK is not part of the agreement that removes the need for passports within the EU, so you should have your passport checked every time you enter or leave the UK.

well i flew from manchester... does that count? us yorkshire peeps need a passport to go there ;)

maybe the security was just slack or something then, cos our passports got checked nowhere, they didnt ask for it at check in, or where u get frisked by the guards, or where we got on, or at the other end. at the other end we just waltzed merrily thru the blue channel... no one was there at all ;)

i cant remember what happened on the way back though.probably got checked but i cant remember...

On the subject of the 'mark', I found this short article.

And this was mentioned in a book witten 2000 years ago.....

This is more like Mystic Meg to me than Religion. In my view Religion is fine when its about acceptance and compassion, but this is just ridiculous to me.

*remembers an x-files ep a few years ago where scully had one of these removed from the back of her neck...