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Possibly because this thread isn't about the merits of animal testing; it's actually about people who dig up corpses, remember, the people you describe as "a little extreme"...

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Nice dodge on the Down's syndrom point :rolleyes:

There are never any garantees, but a damn sight more than inventing some random chemical and giving it to a human with absolutely no human testing at all. Maybe you should do your homework. Testing kills many, many animals before they find a mixture that is tolerable to humans. How many live human test subjects would we have if we abolished all testing on animals? Not many i'd suspect. We only have a few as it is, and that's only after we show them assurance and evidence, that the drug won't adversely affect them.

What, pray tell, was my ridiculous suggestion? That all medication should be thoroughly tested on animals before being license on humans? Yeah, totally ridiculous. Thalidomide was an example of what happened with partial animal testing, can you imagine what it would be like if nothing was tested on animals?

Sorry, some people have more important things to worry about than bloody bubble bath, or anti-wrinkle cream. Like curing Down's syndrome.

Let's just pretend your version of the world is correct and it is simply a case of money (which I proven, it isn't). If drug development cost 3 times as much, or more likely 20 times as much by eradicating animal testing, you'd think we'd get anywhere near the amount of drugs available? Not by a damn shot. You can forget about anti-HIV/AIDS drugs for the 3rd world right away. Solely testing on humans and synthetic tissue is not an option (see next paragraph), let alone not viable.

Great, so cloning is more ethical than animal research? Like I said, if you'd do your homework, you'd know its not just tissues that are important here, its how a body reacts as a whole. You think we could see what Thalidomide did to babies by testing on skin tissue? If a drug caused schitzophrenia/dillusional behavior, you'd see that testing on tissue would you? Heart attacks? You'd see that on skin tissue as well would you? Humans share 95% DNA with rats. Our body is very smiliar to most other mamals, particularly for curing diseases. Animal testing works, that's why they do it.

Testing on anirmals isn't nice, I wish it didn't have to be done (honestly) but its a necessary evil.

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Time for you to start shopping elsewhere

http://www.liberation-mag.org.uk/Tesco.htm

So as I was saying, do you seriously expect us to believe that you've NEVER purchased a product that has either as a whole, or had it's ingredients tested on animals?

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Not really, it is about risk management, surely better to maim a couple of rats, than a couple of humans, human testing is the last step and prior to animal testing there are a lot of steps too, these scientists dont just make up a goo and stick it in Basils eye to see what happens, they have a pretty good idea it should be safe, this is to confirm their findings (from scientific knowledge, computer modeling, testing on cultures etc).

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:clap: :gpoint:

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Sorry mate, i'll shut up...

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I've made my points and I'll leave it at that.

On topic - yep, digging up a corpse is sick.

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Is that what they were doing there?

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It really is sick I agree. And also disgusting on a practical level. I reckon the perpetrators must have a screw loose.

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It also sickens me that several teenagers have got away without charge for trashing a childs grave at a local graveyard, they had pushed the stone over and kicked the toys left there across the graveyard,

http://www.thisisbolton.co.uk/lancas...ews/NEWS0.html
It makes me want to cry

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Awww, no reply on Tesco's animal testing policy? ;)

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That is SO appalling how can anyone be so cruel.

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Yes, sorry - If they state on the back of their shampoo or whatever that neither the product or ingredients are tested on animals, I'd buy it. If it doesn't state it, I don't.