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But received a higher percentage of those who actually voted - 33.8% vs 32.1%

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Massive. Mind blowing.

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Not a massive point of interest but still noteworthy.

Starmer has appointed two non-MPs to the cabinet. Sir Patrick Valance of COVID fame is the Science Minister. Fair enough.

But probably bigger news. James Timpson of Timpson - the key cutters company - has been made Prisons Minister!

Both are being appointed to the Lords to be able to do this.

I quite like this decision. Timpson recruits out of prisons quite a bit and I saw an interview with him on Channel 4 a few months ago where he had an excellent understanding of it.

Putting people who understand the topic as Ministers makes sense to me. For balance, I said the same about making Cameron Foreign Secretary.

We should make the cabinet more qualified like the Americans do rather than try to find someone from the 99% of MPs who are humanities graduates to be the Minister for Science or whatever.

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Well as Timpson specialise in keys he should make a good Prisions minister:D

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I’m not necessarily against the concept however there could be better ways of Governments getting expertise into the decision making process without elevating more people to the Lords.

A risk, in an unscrupulous era, would be giving these “experts” political accountability at the same time sets them up as fall guys. Or worse, “expert” advice gets designed to curry favour with a ruling party.

In Scotland there’s a tendency towards “expert groups” or “advisory groups” of publicly funded third sector orgs representing “lived experience”. A cynic may, occasionally, view this as a shield for political parties to dodge political accountability.

If Lords get appointed to junior positions they subsequently resign from due to incompetence or error (as opposed to personal scandal) the buck should really stop with the corresponding Secretary of State.

In a sense I have less opposition to Cameron as foreign secretary, as a clear and unambiguous political operative. If we oppose Ministers being in the Lords we shouldn’t have a House of Lords.

Note - “Experts” follows my hypothetical dive into an unscrupulous era. Not a judgement on the expertise of either Vallance or Timpson.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

The turnout was low, the lowest since 2001.
Was it apathy ? The need for ID ? or something else ?

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This picture shows how bad it went for the blue party this election.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31092

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I think there were dynamics in both 2019 (Get Brexit Done) and 2024 (a Reform surge) that make the numbers look more dramatic than changes within the population as a whole. I think that the Labour victory - telegraphed since forever in opinion polls - slumped in the polls slightly on the day. Maybe the Conservatives scare tactics worked a bit (1% or 2%).

Ultimately I don't think the Labour Party - the people or manifesto - sell the vision for the UK that people will ultimately want. It'll do for now. Far larger numbers backed the Labour Party in 2017 and 2019, despite a major campaign against the then leader.

There was some good stuff in there - ultimately the plan for Labour was to eliminate it in policy and people. Sure, they won. What do the unhappy people do next?

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Oh, that's okay then... :erm:

Has anyone noticed the state of the country under labour?

Timpson are great for reforming prisoners and I've never understood how an mp proves themselves completely unsuitable for one ministerial role can be appropriate for another based on nothing other than seemingly that past failure.

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I agree on that, we have a Business secretary that wouldn’t know how to run a bath, let alone a business.

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I was impressed by Starmer's speech outside No. 10. So different from the past Tory PM's, a breath of fresh air.

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Agreed but the key move will be the planned merger with the right wing Tories, at which point they will transition into a more conventional structure.

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It also shows that the puke-yellow team god a good shoeing north of the border - far worse even than it looks, given the enormous size of those rural highland constituencies. With one seat to declare and the Nat already conceding he’s lost, the SNP finishes on 9 seats. The talk now is whether the party might be in serious financial difficulty. It was already having cash-flow issues and now it’s lost about £0.75m per annum of parliamentary funding.

/infighting intensifies

:D

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The last piece of that map can be coloured in now.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

From today’s Reformagraph…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1720263836

<cough>None of the last 4 Tory Prime Ministers lasted one term…<cough>

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Nobody takes Cammy seriously since her toe licking 'Whisper it quietly, Rishis making a comeback' fantasy/article....