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Hugh 31-05-2023 17:13
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
As you say "perception is all".

Remember when the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley advised investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom.

Quote:
“Time to look further afield as the UK economy hits the brakes”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/frances...h=650cbb7c4c1e

Sephiroth 31-05-2023 17:22
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153075)
As you say "perception is all".

Remember when the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley advised investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/frances...h=650cbb7c4c1e
Where's the perception of impropriety in the case of financial advice that you've cited?

And was it duff advice, btw?

Dave42 31-05-2023 17:58
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Politics latest: Johnson hands unredacted WhatsApps to Cabinet Office - urging them to hand details over to inquiry
In a surprise move, the former prime minister gives all of the documents the COVID inquiry wants to the department - now the ball is in the government's court.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...andal-12593360

Hugh 31-05-2023 18:07
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153076)
Where's the perception of impropriety in the case of financial advice that you've cited?

And was it duff advice, btw?

I see Mr Movingthegoalposts has arrived, changing the conversation from "perception" to "perception of impropriety"...

He was a lawmaker giving one message to voters (vote for this and you'll be better off) and the opposite message to clients (things will go badly, get your money out of the UK).

Also, at the time he was advising investors to move their money out of the UK, he was pushing in parliament for a Hard Brexit that would see even more investment desert the country.

Sephiroth 31-05-2023 18:13
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153079)
I see Mr Movingthegoalposts has arrived, changing the conversation from "perception" to "perception of impropriety"...

He was a lawmaker giving one message to voters (vote for this and you'll be better off) and the opposite message to clients (things will go badly, get your money out of the UK).

Also, at the time he was advising investors to move their money out of the UK, he was pushing in parliament for a Hard Brexit that would see even more investment desert the country.
So no impropriety.

As to 'moving the goalposts', 'perception' was always a 'perception of impropriety'. What else would I have meant?

Hugh 31-05-2023 18:59
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153080)
So no impropriety.

As to 'moving the goalposts', 'perception' was always a 'perception of impropriety'. What else would I have meant?
That's just your perception...

If you don't perceive saying one thing to the electorate and another to clients as improper, that's shows your perception of impropriety is improper, in my perception...

Hugh 31-05-2023 19:33
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36153078)
Politics latest: Johnson hands unredacted WhatsApps to Cabinet Office - urging them to hand details over to inquiry

In a surprise move, the former prime minister gives all of the documents the COVID inquiry wants to the department - now the ball is in the government's court.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...andal-12593360
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1685552448

---------- Post added at 18:33 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36153078)
Politics latest: Johnson hands unredacted WhatsApps to Cabinet Office - urging them to hand details over to inquiry
In a surprise move, the former prime minister gives all of the documents the COVID inquiry wants to the department - now the ball is in the government's court.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...andal-12593360
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65770586

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Mr Johnson's spokesman said the Cabinet Office had had "access to this material for several months" and he would disclose it directly to the inquiry if asked.

"While Mr Johnson understands the government's position, and does not seek to contradict it, he is perfectly happy for the inquiry to have access to this material in whatever form it requires," he added.

Mr Johnson is among those who will give evidence to the inquiry, which is due to start hearings in two weeks.

The material includes 24 notebooks with contemporaneous notes, as well as his diaries and WhatsApp messages between Mr Johnson and cabinet ministers, advisors and senior civil servants.

On Tuesday, the inquiry revealed it had been told the Cabinet Office did not currently have the WhatsApp messages or notebooks in its possession.
Who to believe - the Cabinet Office or Johnson?

It's like having to choose between explosive diarrhea and and projectile vomiting...

OLD BOY 31-05-2023 19:58
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36153001)
I suppose you could just sum it up as your guy broke the law and the other guy didn't, but there you go....
I’m tempted to ask you for the logic in your statement, but frankly I have better things to do than keep setting out the obvious.

And just (again) for the record, I don’t think either of them should have been fined as both had excuses which in my opinion were reasonable. But Starmer’s case was still closer to the danger line than Boris was.

Mr K 31-05-2023 20:06
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153095)
I’m tempted to ask you for the logic in your statement, but frankly I have better things to do than keep setting out the obvious.

And just (again) for the record, I don’t think either of them should have been fined as both had excuses which in my opinion were reasonable. But Starmer’s case was still closer to the danger line than Boris was.
Not according to the CPS.

Dave42 31-05-2023 20:12
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153095)
I’m tempted to ask you for the logic in your statement, but frankly I have better things to do than keep setting out the obvious.

And just (again) for the record, I don’t think either of them should have been fined as both had excuses which in my opinion were reasonable. But Starmer’s case was still closer to the danger line than Boris was.
that is your tory bias OB CPS disagree with you

Hugh 31-05-2023 20:54
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36153097)
that is your tory bias OB CPS disagree with you
Johnson disagrees with him as well, so he appears to be supporting Johnson by calling him a liar...

1andrew1 01-06-2023 23:51
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
No wonder Johnson couldn't wait to hand over his WhatsApps - they only went back to May 2021!
Quote:
Rishi Sunak’s government on Thursday launched legal action to block the release of Boris Johnson’s unredacted WhatsApp messages to the official Covid-19 public inquiry.

But in a new twist, it emerged that Johnson had only given the government messages relating to the period after May 2021 when he acquired a new phone; by that time the worst of the Covid crisis had passed.

The two developments prompted Labour to claim that both Sunak and Johnson were trying to frustrate the inquiry, set up to draw lessons from the way the government handled the pandemic.
https://www.ft.com/content/32b70216-...d-f389a48e71fe

Hugh 02-06-2023 01:50
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153169)
No wonder Johnson couldn't wait to hand over his WhatsApps - they only went back to May 2021!

https://www.ft.com/content/32b70216-...d-f389a48e71fe
https://www.imobie.com/iphone-tips/r...lost-phone.htm

Quote:
Can I Recover my Old WhatsApp Messages from a Lost Phone?

YES, you can. Usually, an Android phone will back up WhatsApp messages with Google Drive. And, iPhone can store chat history on iCloud. Therefore, only if your old WhatsApp messages are backed up to the cloud, you can get them back when lost the phone.
I’m pretty sure he knew how to do this, having been given one-on-one "Technology Lessons" costing £126k…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-lessons.html

Quote:
The American businesswoman who received thousands in public money after becoming close friends with Boris Johnson has insisted to friends that he only visited her flat for private ‘technology’ lessons.

Mr K 02-06-2023 08:17
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
I'm definitely going to book some of those lessons, they sound good :)

Not much use any evidence from liar as they'll all be lies.

1andrew1 02-06-2023 09:17
Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153171)
https://www.imobie.com/iphone-tips/r...lost-phone.htm

I’m pretty sure he knew how to do this, having been given one-on-one "Technology Lessons" costing £126k…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-lessons.html
Lol. Hands up anyone who believes those messages are still on the Cloud.


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