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Hugh 15-05-2023 20:00
Re: Voter ID
 
As a point of information, even though that Victorian Pencil, Rees-Smugg used the term incorrectly - gerrymandering is arranging/changing election districts in a way that gives one political party an unfair advantage, not voter fraud, restricting voting eligibility, or opening up the voting rights to wider participation.

Mr K 15-05-2023 20:25
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36151916)

Of course you are delighted, Mr K, that Starmer will gerrymander the kids’ and immigrant vote, possibly, and of course in the name of democracy, hold a referendum to rejoin the EU.

He’s your dream ticket.

One person, one vote. What's wrong with that? Working immigrants pay taxes, so they should have a say. Unlike the leeching pensioners. The young should have more of a say as it will affect the more.
As for EU referendum, its just a matter of time. The tide turned long ago. The selfish old will snuff it. Project Fear has turned out to be a a best case scenario.
(BTW I've never voted Labour, and never will unless our excuse for an electoral system is sorted out to be genuinely representative.)

Dave42 15-05-2023 20:45
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36151916)

Of course you are delighted, Mr K, that Starmer will gerrymander the kids’ and immigrant vote, possibly, and of course in the name of democracy, hold a referendum to rejoin the EU.

He’s your dream ticket.

em even JRM admitted the voter id was a attempt to gerrymander for the tories but thats fine i guess

Jacob Rees-Mogg suggests requiring photo ID to vote was attempt to 'gerrymander' which 'came back to bite' Tories
The government has consistently denied that the reforms were an attempt to help Conservative support in elections, but Mr Rees-Mogg's remarks suggest this is not necessarily the case.

https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-ree...snt-sf-twitter

Sephiroth 17-05-2023 23:46
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Both sides like t disguise gerrymandering.

Hugh 18-05-2023 00:00
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152081)
Both sides like t disguise gerrymandering.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151918)
As a point of information, even though that Victorian Pencil, Rees-Smugg used the term incorrectly - gerrymandering is arranging/changing election districts in a way that gives one political party an unfair advantage, not voter fraud, restricting voting eligibility, or opening up the voting rights to wider participation.

Sephiroth 18-05-2023 07:23
Re: Voter ID
 
Usage, Dear. I can't think of a better single word especially when you take into account the manipulation of who ca vote for political outcome purposes.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/p...define-4143955

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Technically, "gerrymandering" refers to the manipulation of electoral boundaries or voting districts to gain a political advantage for a particular party or group. It typically involves strategically redrawing electoral boundaries in a way that concentrates or dilutes certain groups of voters to influence election outcomes.

This can be done by various means, such as packing like-minded voters into a few districts to ensure their dominance or spreading them thinly across multiple districts to weaken their influence. Gerrymandering can also involve dividing communities or manipulating district lines to exclude or include certain populations based on political preferences or demographics.

What's a better single word to describe what Starmer was being accused of in the sense of giving Labour voting advantage?


noel43 18-05-2023 08:19
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36151923)
One person, one vote. What's wrong with that? Working immigrants pay taxes, so they should have a say. Unlike the leeching pensioners. The young should have more of a say as it will affect the more.
As for EU referendum, its just a matter of time. The tide turned long ago. The selfish old will snuff it. Project Fear has turned out to be a a best case scenario.
(BTW I've never voted Labour, and never will unless our excuse for an electoral system is sorted out to be genuinely representative.)
I am one of those leeching pensioners and I pay over £100 a month in tax.

Maggy 18-05-2023 09:10
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Reading this thread I get the impression some think that the elderly shouldn't have a vote.Personally I think you would all be spending your time more wisely if you encouraged EVERYONE to register to vote and to actually get off their arse and actually go and vote whatever their bloody age.I'd also like to lower the voting age to 16.

1andrew1 18-05-2023 09:35
Re: Voter ID
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36152090)
Reading this thread I get the impression some think that the elderly shouldn't have a vote.Personally I think you would all be spending your time more wisely if you encouraged EVERYONE to register to vote and to actually get off their arse and actually go and vote whatever their bloody age.I'd also like to lower the voting age to 16.
Hear hear!

Dave42 18-05-2023 10:15
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152086)
Usage, Dear. I can't think of a better single word especially when you take into account the manipulation of who ca vote for political outcome purposes.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/p...define-4143955
tories gerrymandering which JRM admitted to is all fine right

Hugh 18-05-2023 11:02
Re: Voter ID
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36152092)
tories gerrymandering which JRM admitted to is all fine right
tbf, he did post

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Both sides like t(o) disguise gerrymandering

TheDaddy 20-05-2023 03:42
Re: Voter ID
 
Turns out 26000 people were denied their ballot papers at polling stations because they didn't have ID and that's only two thirds of councils reporting so far and the actual figure are bound to be higher as greeters intercepted many people before they got through the doors too

Hom3r 20-05-2023 16:37
Re: Voter ID
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36151857)
Nothing reeks of freedom more than forcing people to take part in the democratic process against their will. I'd give people a small council tax rebate if they vote and increase it if they don't, you could call it the democracy rebate
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But how many of these will complain when the government does something they don't like.

Surely by not voting they can't complain?

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36152090)
Reading this thread I get the impression some think that the elderly shouldn't have a vote.Personally I think you would all be spending your time more wisely if you encouraged EVERYONE to register to vote and to actually get off their arse and actually go and vote whatever their bloody age.I'd also like to lower the voting age to 16.

Personally it should be raised to 21, along with drinking alcohol, as this generation can't seem to decide what gender they are.

Before anyone says anything, my niece is in a same sex relationship, her ex is transitioning to a man, I told her I don't know how to handle this, but I will try and not slip buy saying "her" instead of "him"

OLD BOY 20-05-2023 20:12
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36151923)
One person, one vote. What's wrong with that? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/w...ill-holding-on Working immigrants pay taxes, so they should have a say. Unlike the leeching pensioners. The young should have more of a say as it will affect the more.
As for EU referendum, its just a matter of time. The tide turned long ago. The selfish old will snuff it. Project Fear has turned out to be a a best case scenario.
(BTW I've never voted Labour, and never will unless our excuse for an electoral system is sorted out to be genuinely representative.)
There’s nothing wrong with that as long as only adults can vote and the person voting has been naturalised.

Under 18s are children, not adults, and by the way should not be allowed to put their lives in danger in the Armed Forces until they are 18.

TheDaddy 20-05-2023 20:23
Re: Voter ID
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36152248)
But how many of these will complain when the government does something they don't like.

Surely by not voting they can't complain?
Sounds good saying that but what about those that spoil their ballot, can't they complain, they have voted after all, just not to change anything

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Personally it should be raised to 21, along with drinking alcohol, as this generation can't seem to decide what gender they are.
What all of them?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152261)

Under 18s are children, not adults, and by the way should not be allowed to put their lives in danger in the Armed Forces until they are 18.
They aren't allowed to...


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