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Sephiroth

18-09-2021 14:42

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

I'm surprised that Dyson hasn't invented an air CO2 extractor. But that leads to another factor: have the boffins taken into account all the CO2 released by the fizzy drinks?

Hugh	18-09-2021 17:51

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36093553)

So we have a shortage of something that we produce too much of.

WE produce too much of it, we don't store enough of it.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093554)

I'm surprised that Dyson hasn't invented an air CO2 extractor. But that leads to another factor: have the boffins taken into account all the CO2 released by the fizzy drinks?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science...he-atmosphere/

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Fizzy drinks do release carbon dioxide (CO2), but this pales in comparison with overall human CO2 emissions. A can of pop contains 2-3g of CO2 – a tiny proportion of the six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.

What’s more, the CO2 pumped into carbonated drinks is usually a by-product from power plants – meaning it would have been released into the atmosphere anyway.

Carth

18-09-2021 18:47

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

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. . . a tiny proportion of the six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.

In 1950 there were 2.5 billion people on the planet

Today we are edging close to 8 billion . . . I'm beginning to think LED lighting is not the answer :naughty:

Hugh	18-09-2021 18:49

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

If you can’t fix everything, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fix anything.

"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

papa smurf

18-09-2021 19:07

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093590)

In 1950 there were 2.5 billion people on the planet

Today we are edging close to 8 billion . . . I'm beginning to think LED lighting is not the answer :naughty:

We have to get rid of china and india and by we i mean you :)

Sephiroth

18-09-2021 19:21

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36093594)

We have to get rid of china and india and by we i mean you :)

That's been very recently tried and it failed.

Carth

18-09-2021 19:21

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D

papa smurf

18-09-2021 19:42

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093598)

sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D

logans run https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074812/

Hugh	18-09-2021 21:57

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093598)

sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D

A bit less - in total, 2.5 billion tonnes.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-...limate-change/

The book was Logan’s Run, and the age was 21 (the film raised it to 30).

Carth

18-09-2021 23:50

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36093619)

A bit less - in total, 2.5 billion tonnes.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-...limate-change/

The book was Logan’s Run, and the age was 21 (the film raised it to 30).

quote from your earlier post:

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six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.

difference between 2.5 billion (1950) and todays figure of 7.8 billion . . . lets go for a nice round 5 billion.

5 billion (people) multiplied by six tonnes gives us 30 billion tonnes. :p:

I will however consider that the part 'average person in the UK is responsible for' may include all of the extras I added, so will stick at 30 billion tonnes we didn't 'produce' 60 years ago ;)

Hugh	19-09-2021 11:44

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

You stated "just by breathing’ - the larger figure is for everything…

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 13:43

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

Sea levels are rising because of the Asthma Inhaler.

https://greeninhaler.org/the-problem-with-inhalers/

Selective quote:

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Your inhaler can have a big impact on your carbon footprint. The most commonly used inhaler in the UK, Ventolin Evohaler™ has a carbon footprint of 28kg per inhaler. That’s the same carbon footprint as the tailpipe greenhouse gas emissions of driving 175miles (or from London to Sheffield) in a small car. Dry powder inhalers on the other hand typically have a carbon footprint of less than 1kg.

Let's look at the maths of this scare-mongering claim.

1/
Assume 8 preventive puffs/day as stated on the packet. There are 200 puffs per device. Thus 1 device lasts for 25 days and, according to the quoted article, has a carbon footprint of 28kg (that's an item weighing a few ounces, but I do get that this is a CO2 equivalence to the HFC liberated by the inhaler).

2/
The article cites a car driving 175 miles as having the same carbon footprint. That's the hype. Assume that an asthmatic commuter drives 80 miles per day round trip for 20 days per month. That's 1600 miles per month equating to 256kg carbon footprint.

Some of these green warriors are as bad as the worst of the woke lot.

EDIT: Dry powder inhalers do not self-propel and require a serious intake gasp from the afflicted person.

Maggy

21-09-2021 09:15

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

Reading elsewhere about CO2 shortages..It's a crazy world alright.:)

Paul	08-10-2021 03:09

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

According to an article on the BBC, for my PostCode, "global warming" means a few extra days sunshine in the summer, and a few days less rain.

Hard to see the downside here ........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...7-3691c0e7d138

Carth

08-10-2021 09:56

Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096487)

That site must be wrong, we all know that vast swathes of England will become deserts, although there will be a thin 'green belt' of habitable land between these deserts and the frozen tundra that Scotland will become.

oh, and Peterborough is destined to have a flourishing fishing industry by 2046 ;)

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