Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077444)

There will be those who might challenge the notion that football is a major part of UK culture. I know what you mean but I don't think it runs that deep.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077450)

<cough cough>

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...and-s-heritage

Or do you mean like our culture was submerged by the Normans?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077464)

If this is what you believe, then it's your connection to reality that doesn't run that deep.

I'm not a passionate football fan by any means, but in every workplace I've ever had, and every social setting I've ever been a part of, I have always come across plenty of people who at least have a view, probably will name 'their' team, and in some cases eat, sleep and breathe the sport.

I think your problem may be lack of familiarity with the working class part of British culture where the most passionate part of football's fan base is to be found. There are households where the season ticket is a family heirloom.

The sport may not matter to you, and obviously that's fine - but don't confuse 'things that aren't important to me' with 'things that aren't important.'

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077465)

Most people would know what I mean when I say that our culture will be submerged by others in the fullness of time.

Heritage and culture are different things.

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Did Hugh write that piece for you?

My Spurs season ticket has passed down the family. Doesn't mean it's part of the (diminishing) culture surrounding me.

Thigs of 'importance' are not necessarily matters of 'culture'.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077450)

<cough cough>

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...and-s-heritage

Or do you mean like our culture was submerged by the Normans?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077465)

My Spurs season ticket has passed down the family. Doesn't mean it's part of the (diminishing) culture surrounding me.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077470)

Agreed - "cultures" evolve.

But off-topic, so let’s celebrate the collapse of the ESL.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36077515)

I cannot comprehend how these clubs thought it was a good idea, or that fans would support it. :confused:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36077535)

Some fans (including the 6) say the 6 clubs still should be deducted points.

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36077537)

Just received this cringing Open Letter from Joel Glazer.:D

To all Manchester United supporters,
Over the past few days, we have all witnessed the great passion which football generates, and the deep loyalty our fans have for this great club.
You made very clear your opposition to the European Super League, and we have listened. We got it wrong, and we want to show that we can put things right.
Although the wounds are raw and I understand that it will take time for the scars to heal, I am personally committed to rebuilding trust with our fans and learning from the message you delivered with such conviction.
We continue to believe that European football needs to become more sustainable throughout the pyramid for the long-term. However, we fully accept that the Super League was not the right way to go about it.
In seeking to create a more stable foundation for the game, we failed to show enough respect for its deep-rooted traditions –promotion, relegation, the pyramid – and for that we are sorry.
This is the world’s greatest football club and we apologise unreservedly for the unrest caused during these past few days.
It is important for us to put that right.
Manchester United has a rich heritage and we recognise our responsibility to live up to its great traditions and values.
The pandemic has thrown up so many unique challenges and we are proud of the way Manchester United and its fans from Manchester and around the world have reacted to the enormous pressures during this period.
We also realise that we need to better communicate with you, our fans, because you will always be at the heart of the club.
In the background, you can be sure that we will be taking the necessary steps to rebuild relationships with other stakeholders across the game, with a view to working together on solutions to the long-term challenges facing the football pyramid.
Right now, our priority is to continue to support all of our teams as they push for the strongest possible finish to the season.
In closing, I would like to recognise that it is your support which makes this club so great, and we thank you for that.