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Black lives matter is not about fear of being killed by the police.It is about police brutality (which has led to deaths) and systemic racism. Why an intelligent person such as yourself is getting hung up on the name rather than focusing on the issue is beyond me.

And who are you to say a) what black people feel ? B) decide what black People should protest about ?

The most recent statistics from the Home Office and Ministry of Justice show:
In 2018-19, black people were more than nine times as likely to be stopped and searched by police as white people.

They were over three times as likely to be arrested as white people.

They were more than five times as likely to have force used against them by police as white people. of course the question is was it justified?

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Here's some other stats to think about:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...nfographic.pdf

And yet

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I’ve been entirely consistent throughout this discussion.

Never, have I said there isn’t an issue.

BLM is an American invention to protest against state violence Against or inaction by the state on those that commit violence to the American black community.

That quite simply does not transpose here.

My point of black young men being more likely to be killed by black young men, Especially within London, again is totally valid.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Yes being a woman has had it's problems with worth...white and black and Asian.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

So mainly peaceful protests marred by idiots, as usual.

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I'm not denying there is an issue within London, but it's not a pattern that holds throughout the rest of the UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/black-mur...-v-uk-11443656
So it's not 'more likely' as specific issue within the black community or indeed 'black young men'. It is specific issues within London, which warrants solving.

However whatever the reasons for the issues that happening within London, it doesn't excuse the issues that are happening when the BAME communities interact with the police and the justice system within the UK. And those issue are part of the Black Lives Matter demonstrations now happening.

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And that has happened in the UK how many times?

Because state oppression, killing or lack of bringing to justice those that kill Black people is not an issue in the UK as it is in the USA.

I have a view and I will express it, who are you to try and shout me down?

Already been through this with Ben, he’s better at than you btw, and it seemed evident that there was disparity. Which might be annoying, upsetting, frustrating and it needs to be looked at.........but nobody dies.

I don’t know, do you?

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Not sure what you’re driving at then? Are you suggesting that white youths are killing black youths across the rest of the U.K o/s of London?

And what that article you posted goes into detail about is the victims, not the perpetrators - which is not the whole story.

The whole, “move along here, nothing to see, everything is fine in the black community, we’re all great, oppressed by the white man but we have no fundamental issues ourselves that we need to sort out, no all our troubles have been forced upon us.....rhetoric is tired, more so it is unhelpful, and untrue, but rather than look inwards as well as outwards, will help no one.

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Again, no-one is saying that that I'm aware of, and I'd be interesting to see the links that you've found that says that.

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Thanks.......doesn’t that back up my point?

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I don't understand the relevance of the two. Unresolved issues within a community doesn't exclude campaigning to resolve issues that affect a community from outside it.

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Again, I’ve been completely consistent.

They can campaign, I wholeheartedly support them to campaign for issues, such as young black males killing young black males, predominantly in London.

But that is not what BLM are about, BLM is about state killing Blacks or the state failing to prosecute and convict Those that kill blacks. Which is a US issue not a U.K. issue.

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Thank you to all those who keep trying to point out that us white people insisting that we can decide what, when and how black people should express their anger and frustration at centuries of arrogant, violent and discriminatory white superiority is a perfect example of the privilege we need to individually and collectively examine.

And a good place to start would be to accept that WE don't decide that BLM is about exactly the same issues in the UK as it is in the US.

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If the problem is with White police, then how come in "Black" countries, eg Jamaica, the figures are not exactly low. In this recent incident, 2 of the officers were not White(J Alexander Kueng and Tou Thao). Around twice as many White people as Black people, are shot and killed by Police in the US. Although there is a number classified as "unknown".

It's all about how you behave when cornered or under arrest. Most of us wouldn't face problems, as we were being arrested, because we recognise the futility of resisting and struggling. Not being under the influence of drink and/or drugs also help with that.

Anyone remember the Darcus Howe documentary, "Who you calling a ...".

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Certain people are going on about absolute drivel of, "Oh, it's not safe out there", and "We have a pandemic of black people dying every day", when all that is actually at the hands of black people.:confused:

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Again the assumptions there. The issue that BLM and other organisations are raising in the US are about the culture within the police and other state and federal institutions. I don't believe anyone has said it's white police only, but a lot of the issues come from white police as the segregation and racism that plagues the US come from Americans with a European background for the most part.

It's the built in assumption that if you are black, you are immediately a threat, or require heavier handed tactics than if you're white. It's completely possible for someone from a BAME background to hold those views due to the environment they're in.

And as you brought up Jamaica - then that's also being raised as part of the current protests:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...9?profile=1373
And about your 'more white people than black are killed by the police', that's true, but that's because there are more white people than black people in the US. This is the statistic you should be looking at:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-ethnicity-us/

That is a major generalisation. Many of the incidents do not involve violence or resistance on the part of those being arrested, and statistics that I can find do not back up the assumptions that black people being arrested are always more prepared for violence:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

The issues that the black and other minority communities can face is that the US police will approach a situation with an assumption that escalates the situation. Traffic stops with guns drawn for instance. It can be different elsewhere but built-in assumptions are not unique to the US.

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Me expressing my view, is a right, not a privilege

I'm not deciding anything, we're having a discussion, and it is my view that they are not.