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From Supreme Court Twitter account

A reminder that the Brexit-related judicial review cases which are taking place at the UK Supreme Court tomorrow, can be viewed live via our website. More information about the case and how to watch is available here: https://www.supremecourt.uk/brexit/index.html

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36010411)

Posted earlier.

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How often is a press conference arranged and held in such an environment? Where they are held outside eg Downing St, it is still press only.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36010393)

Unsurprising. It was diplomatically odd for Bettel to go ahead with Boris’ podium empty alongside his, unless his aim all along was to try to create bad headlines.

Interesting comment from Laura K on twatter:

“Whatever side you are on, having been outside the presser that never happened, it would have been total pandemonium if it had gone ahead - protesters were shouting and chanting as loudly as they could within metres of the podiums.”

Main thing that one-man press conference showed was - despite BoJo's earlier optimistic blustering - the distance between the UK and the EU. They couldn't even agree on a press conference!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36010416)

Main thing that one-man press conference showed was - despite BoJo's earlier optimistic blustering - the distance between the UK and the EU. They couldn't even agree on a press conference!

It was a trap, Andrew, as you well know. I suppose you would be clapping your hands if Boris just walked straight into it.

We don't know how much of a gap there is between the UK and the EU. We just hear the rhetoric. I suspect we are closer to getting agreement than most of us think. But we won't know until the bitter end, will we?

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I think we are just running the clock down.

Any new proposals have to be signed off by the 27 EU countries, before the Council can agree.

As I posted from the BBC yesterday.

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But the European Commission said the PM had yet to present concrete proposals for it to consider

We have less than seven weeks, and remember, 27 days ago, BJ thought he could have something in 30 days.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010421)

Old Boy, you have confused me somewhat. I did not condemn BoJo for not attending. I explained what the press conferences illustrates.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36010422)

I think we are just running the clock down.

Any new proposals have to be signed off by the 27 EU countries, before the Council can agree.

As I posted from the BBC yesterday.

We have less than seven weeks, and remember, 27 days ago, BJ thought he could have something in 30 days.

It is the EU that insists on on a backstop for THEMSELVES. Any proposals also have to go to through EU Parliament as well.

It was Merkel who originally came up with the "30 days".
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested an alternative to the Irish border backstop - a key Brexit sticking point - could be found within 30 days.
Speaking at a news conference alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson in Berlin, she stressed it would be up to the UK to offer a workable plan.

And as I've previously pointed out, if that is/was possible/plausible then the backstop can be removed from the Withdrawal Agreement, as it wouldn't have been in play for another year or so. The key notion behind saying the UK would be okish with leaving on Nov 1st, is that it says to the EU, that we also wouldn't be that bothered if no alternative was found by end of 2020.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010385)

While Luxembourg is trying to humiliate us. Pay back time.

It is well known the UK is a massive NET contributor to the EU, i.e we put more in than we get out...

Luxembourg is one of those Member States that gets more out than it puts in...

For example...

Budgets and Funding
How much does Luxembourg contribute and receive?
Member countries' financial contributions to the EU budget are shared fairly, according to means. The larger your country's economy, the more it pays – and vice versa. The EU budget doesn't aim to redistribute wealth, but rather to focus on the needs of all Europeans as a whole.

Breakdown of Luxembourg’s finances with the EU in 2017:

Total EU spending in Luxembourg: € 1.827 billion
Total EU spending as % of Luxembourg gross national income (GNI): 4.97 %
Total Luxembourg contribution to the EU budget: € 0.307 billion
Luxembourg contribution to the EU budget as % of its GNI: 0.84 %

How much does the UK contribute and receive?
Member countries' financial contributions to the EU budget are shared fairly, according to means. The larger your country's economy, the more it pays – and vice versa. The EU budget doesn't aim to redistribute wealth, but rather to focus on the needs of all Europeans as a whole.

Breakdown of the UK's finances with the EU in 2017:

Total EU spending in the UK: € 6.326 billion
Total EU spending as % of the UK’s gross national income (GNI): 0.28%
Total UK contribution to the EU budget: € 10.575 billion
The UK’s Contribution to the EU budget as % of its GNI: 0.46%

Gotta be a bit careful with those numbers as Luxembourg hosts;

the Secretariat of the European Parliament;
a Directorate-General and services of the European Commission, in particular the statistical office Eurostat and a large part of the translation service;
the Court of Justice of the European Union, the General Court and the Civil Service Tribunal, with an Appeal Court for the European Unitary Patent due to take up residence in the near future;
the European Court of Auditors;
the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund;
the Consumers, Health, Agriculture and Food Executive Agency (CHAFEA);
the Publications Office of the European Union, official publisher of the publications of the institutions of the EU and in particular of the Official Journal of the European Union, which contains legislation in the form of regulations, directives and decisions.

It looks like around 81% of the funding from the EU is administration and is a hangover from the European Coal and Steel Community (source - http://www.europarl.europa.eu/extern...tml#luxembourg)

See also Belgium which receives a seemingly huge amount of funding but nearly 70% is spent on simply running the EU there

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I wonder if this is the biggest case the Supreme Court has had since its inception? I am guessing so.....Probably hard to get bigger than Parliament vs Government. At least until they approve the death penalty for people who stand on the left on escalators in London.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36010428)

I wonder if this is the biggest case the Supreme Court has had since its inception? I am guessing so.....Probably hard to get bigger than Parliament vs Government. At least until they approve the death penalty for people who stand on the left on escalators in London.

A bit harsh Damien, especially if it's their first London visit.... A self obsessed city ;)

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36010428)

C'mon, you're a bigger man than that - three strikes and they're out (unless it's the groups of TEFL students at the bottom of the escalators - kill them all, and let God sort them out).

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36010428)

I wonder if this is the biggest case the Supreme Court has had since its inception? I am guessing so.....Probably hard to get bigger than Parliament vs Government. At least until they approve the death penalty for people who stand on the left on escalators in London.

Use your boot ;)

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I do clear my throat quite loudly, that should be enough.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36010441)

I do clear my throat quite loudly, that should be enough.

Enough to get offered a throat sweet;)