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mrmistoffelees 20-03-2019 09:54
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35987675)
What no one seems to be talking about is that May's deal is only buying time to get us a proper deal so whose going to be doing that? I don't see the Government surviving for too long so it's unlikely to be May doing it. Corbyn? A new Tory leader?
A proper deal? Are the EU suddenly prepared to change their minds and reopen negotiations despite them standing resolute for the past couple of years?

The EU has a whole will find no deal whilst painful easier to accommodate than the UK

Damien 20-03-2019 09:58
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Well after this becomes 'what is the future arrangement going to be'?

Maggy 20-03-2019 10:03
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...vPcQOnSjbAG5TQ

Interesting article.

mrmistoffelees 20-03-2019 10:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35987678)
Well after this becomes 'what is the future arrangement going to be'?

You think the EU are going to have a change of heart because of the UK"s complete and utter incompetence?

Damien 20-03-2019 10:11
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35987680)
You think the EU are going to have a change of heart because of the UK"s complete and utter incompetence?
What? May's deal is the terms on which we exit but not the future arrangement, that was always to come later.

mrmistoffelees 20-03-2019 10:13
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35987681)
What? May's deal is the terms on which we exit but not the future arrangement, that was always to come later.

The withdrawal agreement is highly unlikely to be passed in it's current form, the EU have said it's not open to renegotiation.


You're now focusing on swimming when we currently can't even inflate the armbands

Chris 20-03-2019 10:31
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35987672)
Now you're grasping. Historically May has shown she is capable of saying one thing and reversing that decision in the next breath.
Not really. What nobody seems to be willing to consider here is that the UK, Teresa May and our dysfunctional parliament are not the beginning and the end of the show here. There is the small matter of 27 other heads of government and the European Union, none of whom have inexhaustible patience and all of whom have had their own energies sapped by May’s indecision and Parliament’s intransigence.

They have absolutely no reason to agree to a long extension unless the UK justifies it with a concrete plan to clear the impasse. The opportunity to present that plan is now - and she’s not done it. The EU has absolutely no incentive at all to grant an extension beyond June.

What May says and what May does are now only a small part of the equation.

jfman 20-03-2019 10:36
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The entertainment value? Financial flight to then EU amid ongoing uncertainty? To shore up their own no deal contingency plans? To topple May’s government?

mrmistoffelees 20-03-2019 10:41
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35987685)
Not really. What nobody seems to be willing to consider here is that the UK, Teresa May and our dysfunctional parliament are not the beginning and the end of the show here. There is the small matter of 27 other heads of government and the European Union, none of whom have inexhaustible patience and all of whom have had their own energies sapped by May’s indecision and Parliament’s intransigence.

They have absolutely no reason to agree to a long extension unless the UK justifies it with a concrete plan to clear the impasse. The opportunity to present that plan is now - and she’s not done it. The EU has absolutely no incentive at all to grant an extension beyond June.

What May says and what May does are now only a small part of the equation.
Making assumptions about what people are or are not considering is dangerous...

May & Parliament are the beginning and of the show right now, right now they are the biggest part of the equation. that focus will obviously shift


The EU is more than capable however of looking to the future and I think would love nothing more than the UK to rescind A50 as it can be used to show other nations should they in the future contemplate leaving

jfman 20-03-2019 10:55
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With the Tories wanting a short delay the EU should insist on a long one or no deal on March 29th. The panic in Government would be priceless. I’d say the odds of riscinding would hit 50-50.

Damien 20-03-2019 10:58
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status...01413376053248

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Am hearing moves afoot for an emergency SO24 Commons debate with a potential vote forcing May to rewrite EU letter to include longer extension option. Bercow hinted SO24 rules could be bent earlier this week to make it substantive not neutral notion. Expect fresh govt panic.

Hugh 20-03-2019 11:03
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katya adler
@BBCkatyaadler

EU sounding the alarm: THEY HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED THE PMs LETTER -EU Diplomats saying: How can 27 leaders be expected to reach a unanimous decision on PM’s #Brexit extension request with only hours to go before tomorrow’s EU summit and still no official notice from No10..?

9:32 AM - 20 Mar 2019
I wonder if she gave it to Grayling to send, and he has sent it 2nd Class Post?

Mr K 20-03-2019 11:19
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35987690)
I wonder if she gave it to Grayling to send, and he has sent it 2nd Class Post?
Or didn't put a stamp on....

Hugh 20-03-2019 11:20
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denphone 20-03-2019 11:22
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Or didn't put a stamp on....
Perhaps he is letting the train take the strain although he has to reply on it turning up in the first place.


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