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http://factmyth.com/factoids/switzer...s-to-own-guns/ is worth a read.

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Nice one Igni!

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It's well worth a read, even if it has used the same dubious small arms survey for some of it's facts

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I read/heard that its easier for some one with mental health issues to get guns, than a woman to get an abortion.

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I find this absolutely abhorrent...

https://news.sky.com/story/las-vegas...ctims-11439792

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What a horrible thing to do! Boycotts are coming I hope.

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Actually blame the system, as why should the hotel be liable for what a guest does.

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Should a hotel allow a guest to bring 23 rifles and one handgun onto the premises with no consequence? Maybe the US should mandate metal detectors in hotel lobbies? I recently visited India and the hotel I stayed in an airport style scanner for luggage coming into the hotel.

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Got to admire the logic behind a country thinking about putting hotel detectors in hotels and armed guards at schools before questioning tighter regulation on weapons.

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Sadly, I can well believe the US would look at things installing scanning equipment in the hotel rather than working to resolve the problem at the source.

It won't solve the problem. Suing the victims diverts blame and may protect the company from legal action, but it will hurt their public image, which may well end up costing more than the legal action(s) would have.

Where's the blame though? MGM Resorts are trying to blame the company that provided security, but what were they supposed to do? Hold the event in a bullet proof building, and ensure that all the exits and entrances are covered? Booked every room in the Mandelay Bay within sight of the event?

The shooter? Well, yes, but suing him is unlikely to be profitable. His family? They are likely innocent, and probably couldn't afford the legal action anyway.

I've often said I think Guns need to be controlled more tightly, but I don't agree with a full gun ban.

IMO, Guns should be restricted, as they are in this country (it is possible to legally own a gun in this country, but even then there are restrictions, like keeping it away from the ammo). That's not the whole solution. There also needs to be a massive amnesty to enable people to hand in unlicensed guns. Bearing in mind the number of guns is greater than the number of people in the country, it would probably be the largest gun amnesty ever.

Even that's not the whole solution. The Authorities can (if they have the will, which they seem not to) restrict guns, and launch amnesties. But, they can't do the third thing. US Society needs to change it's "guns are good" attitude. They don't need to do a 180 and start preaching "Guns are bad", but they do need to stop almost worshipping them. The Authorities would also need to advertise (online, on TV, on the radio and by holding courses) that guns are not to be worshipped.

That is not going to happen over night, it would actually likely take decades. It also won't happen when so many politicians are paid for by the NRA.

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I can't because it's actually illogical.;)

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BREAKING: FBI concludes its investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history without determining a motive. After nearly 16 months, the agency says it can't determine why gunman Stephen Paddock killed 58 people in October 2017. Source: Associated Press.

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While I don't believe in a God or the Devil as such, I do believe there is Good and Evil in the universe. I also believe that neither necessarily has a reason. Sometimes people are good for no reason other than being good, and sometimes people are evil for no reason.

I don't know enough about the man to judge whether he was merely evil, or he had some sort of problem that caused him to do this. A lot of serial killers do it because they are often the sort of men (and it is, sadly, usually men) who people don't notice, and they want to be noticed, even if it involves the death of them and others. Sometimes the reason has to do with their upbringing, Sometimes the "reason" is something mundane, like the song, "I don't like Mondays". I put the word Reason in quotes, because I think that often those who give mundane reasons like that because they don't know the reason, or don't care, and just make something up.
Sometimes, there is no reason.

What I do know is that I think America has a problem with guns (almost an addiction), and I think that is likely helping increase the number of mass shootings.

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It would have been hard for him to murder 58 people from the hotel window by throwing kitchen knives at them so i totally agree with you.There will always be ways for people to murder others but having access to these weapons just makes it easier and quicker and gives the cops less time to act and stop them ...

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I can tell you why he killed 58 people.

Because he could.

US gunlaws are a crime, you can walk in to a Walmart, but food a assault rifle (a weapon with one purpose and that to kill) only one use and thats a battlefield, and enough ammo to start WW3.