Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

As you may know my 17 year old niece came out when she was 16, and currently her girlfriend who is 18 is living with her while she saves and looks for a place to live.

I believe that the couple had a right to refuse to do this cake.

Surely the customer could have taken their custom elsewhere, rather than try and get some money, out of the cake makers.

Plus they surely have a right to serve anyone.

Shops can ask you too leave, if they want.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

I agree that I would have gone elsewhere. But others would say, "Why should we?"

The bakery was not complying with the law, pure and simple. And they cannot refuse to serve people because they are gay either.

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They denied a perfectly legal request for a cake with a gay slogan on it. You seem to be claiming that the bakery was within its rights to do this, but they were not, and the court has so determined.

I am puzzled by the weird distinctions you have made here, but they are wrong.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

The problem here is that the bakery stated why they wouldn't take on the job AFIK. That is where the problem lies.IMHO.

Anyone running a company can decide if they wish to take a job on or not, making the case it's because of a sexual or racial preference is a no no. Best just to say "we cannot deliver it in the time frame you require!"

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

You mean.........lie?

OMG, whatever next?

:D

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

The Law states that Halal slaughtered meat is not allowed to be supplied to non-Muslims. When is that ever enforced? The Animal Rights lot should be all over that like a rash, but they're not.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

The baker's are christians and parts of christianity still oppose gay lifestyles and anything to do with gays so they were expressing their religious belief something that people are supposed to be able to do in this country or is it only islam that gets that freedom these days. There was absolutely no practical reason they couldn't have gone to another bakery without causing all this and as for the "why should they" part well in short no right is greater then another some might be more trendy but they are not more valuable.

It seems these days that people protest for rights they agree with whilst being happy to ignore the rights of others they don't agree with and just demonstrates how hypocritical society is becoming. This was a couple of faith asked to do something their faith opposed so they exercised their religious freedom only it's not a freedom now because christianity isn't one of those trendy things these days.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

I think you've hit the nail on the head, I'd be prepared to bet that they weren't the first bakers they'd approached either

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

The thing that marks this out is that they're providing a service. So if this wasn't a crime then would refusing a gay couple a hotel room be ok? Service in a restaurant? Membership of a gym?

The one difference here is that they weren't asking to buy a cake but have the baker write a message on it that was against his own views. Now I think that still qualifies as a service but if this were the United States I wonder if they would be protected under the first amendment as it's compelled speech?

Personally I think they should have made the cake. They weren't asking to marry the baker or get him to perform the ceremony. Don't understand the massive deal. If it's your profession to take someone else's words and write it down on a cake then who cares if you agree with the sentiment or not.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

No they were just expecting those bakers to do what they wanted and i suspect were probably aware of the baker's faith as that's the usual tactic today know someone objects to it and then make a point of asking for something you know will cause trouble. Why these baker's why this case there are dozens of examples daily where muslim staff at supermarkets will refuse to handle pork or alcohol and no one cares. Is it ok for them to do that in a service orientated business where anyone with a mid range double IQ knows if you get a job at Sainsbury's or Tesco you will be dealing with alcohol and pork.

Either apply the law equally to everyone or not at all none of this modern bs picking and choosing as it suits.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

The muslim thing is bogus and they know it, it's not haram to consume pork or alcohol - holding it in it's packaging is not the same thing, and they know it.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

I think both sides were up for this fight because otherwise there were many more paths of lesser effort for this to take than to be at the Supreme Court.

Maybe because is this because the law is applied at a business level and not at an indivdual level. In Sainsbury's or Tesco someone else will be available to sell you the product whereas in this case the shop itself refused to service them. If the bakers had said they personally couldn't do it but they'll get another member of staff to do so instead then there wouldn't be a problem.

Unless the law is different in N.Ireland.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

. Yes i know a friend told me this years ago but I've had staff do it to me as well as seen it done to others. The courts won't agree but i believe and have seen nothing to change my belief that this bakery was targeted to make a point and I don't blame the owner's feeling a little aggrieved by the whole thing.

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

Where does it say that?

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

I've heard that before, I agree with him about the animal rights lobby being all over it to, guess they prefer easy targets to. I'll Google the answer for you Andrew seeing as you're busy, you're welcome :)


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'
 

It’s not the law that it should not be given to non Muslims (or Jewish people I guess) but that they should be the intended audience even if other people no doubt end up eating it. It’s certainly not illegal if at the point of sale they serve a someone who isn’t Muslim.