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Damien

22-12-2015 20:32

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35814028)

Trump is a genius.

No other republican candidate is getting any airtime whatsoever.

Also Clinton and Obama have now started having a go at him, meaning even more air time for Trump.

Clinton knows if trump gets the nomination that it'll be a walkover .

That said, it's a forgone conclusion that Clinton will be the next president.

It doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is, none of them will win against Clinton.

Some of them might. Rubio especially. He is probably their nightmare candidate especially if he can bring on someone good as his running mate. He presents a different generation, he can bring on Latino voters and he will likely win Florida. He takes his home state and then brings New Mexico and Nevada along then he could well win it.

His national polling compared to Clinton is pretty good too: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-3767.html

He is their best chance. However much like Corbyn here there is a wave of anti-establishment votes from those who don't really seem to care if they win power as long as they can cause chaos in the political systems. They're going for populists over realists and radicals over moderates.

It doesn't really work because most people are largely moderate but they only turn out when it matters. However this could be enough to kill the Republican party's chances in 2016. I don't think he'll get the nomination but he might still do enough damage to the party to cost them or allow them to elect someone who appears sane by comparison but is still a wacko.

Alternatively maybe he monopolies the attention so much that he protects the rest from taking negative press leaving them undamaged once one of them has have nomination....

TheDaddy

22-12-2015 20:36

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35814030)

No I think Trump is a megalomaniac..

He is, you only need see the words trump in twenty foot high letters outside each of his buildings to know that

papa smurf

23-12-2015 06:25

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35814035)

He is, you only need see the words trump in twenty foot high letters outside each of his buildings to know that

he thinks using big words makes him clever;)

richard s

23-12-2015 07:16

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

What about the muslim family of 4 adults and nine kids going to America for their holiday... At Gatwick they were approached by an American official (Homeland Security?) and told that they were refused entry! at the final hour and the airline is refusing to compensate them of £9000.

Trump syndrome creeping in.

Pierre

23-12-2015 07:54

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35814054)

Link?

nomadking

23-12-2015 08:21

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

Link about story

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Speaking to the Guardian, Mohammad Tariq Mahmood, who was travelling with his brother and nine of their children aged between eight and 19,

I assume 2 of the adults referred to are the CHILDREN. No adult female, eg the Mother.

Anybody for some facts? Strange concept I know.:rolleyes:
Link from 1st Dec

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The US says it will tighten travel restrictions on foreigners who visit the country without needing full visas.
...
Their registrations would come under greater scrutiny from US agencies, and travellers would also be screened to see if they had travelled to militant-held areas.

Congress was planning that BEFORE Trump said anything.
Link

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But once changes to the US visa waiver programme are implemented in 2016, he will be required to apply for a visa with an in-person interview at the US embassy in London.
"It makes my life more difficult. Right now I'm not sure the trip we have planned since five months ago will happen or not in January," he says.
The US Congress has passed a measure as part of a budget bill that will no longer allow citizens of 38 countries - including the UK - who have either travelled to Iraq, Syria, Iran or Sudan in the past five years or are dual nationals of these states, to travel to the US without a visa.

ianch99

23-12-2015 08:31

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35814059)

Link about story

Anybody for some facts? Strange concept I know.:rolleyes:
Link from 1st Dec
Congress was planning that BEFORE Trump said anything.
Link

I am not clear how your last two links relate to the Muslim family refused entry. Can you clarify? Thanks

nomadking

23-12-2015 08:40

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35814062)

I am not clear how your last two links relate to the Muslim family refused entry. Can you clarify? Thanks

They now cannot use the previous Visa waiver scheme. It is a different process, ie interview stage now involved. It is a brand new set of rules brought in very recently. They used the online visa waiver scheme which is no longer valid in their circumstances.

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The US says it will tighten travel restrictions on foreigners who visit the country without needing full visas.

Osem	23-12-2015 09:42

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Labour MP Stella Creasy has called on the prime minister to challenge the US after a UK Muslim family was barred from boarding a flight to Los Angeles.

The family of 11, from Ms Creasy's Walthamstow constituency, had planned a holiday to Disneyland but were stopped at Gatwick Airport on 15 December.

Mohammad Tariq Mahmood said his family was given no reason why US officials had refused to allow them to board.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35167511

Irrespective of any dubious 'rationale' underlying such a decision, why should the airline compensate them for something which isn't anything to do with it?

If the US wants to go down the route of locking itself down, best of luck to them. I can't understand why anyone would want to go there in the first place - you've far more chance of being blown away by a home grown, gun toting, constitution quoting manic in the US than being the victim of terrorists or just about anything else (except obesity in all probability). The world is full of equally scenic, interesting and much safer places to be, so the answer is to take your tourism money elsewhere and leave the US to its paranoia.

ianch99

23-12-2015 09:45

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35814063)

AFAIK the current US/UK Visa Waiver is still in force - see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa If you meet the requirements, you can travel to the US via this scheme.

What is not disclosed here is why the US refused entry for this family in particular ..

nomadking

23-12-2015 10:10

Re: Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35814071)

This may be the issue
Link

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Ms Mahmood also dismissed claims her husband had previously been arrested in Israel, claiming the incident had been blown out of proportion.

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You may not be eligible to enter the US under the VWP if you have a criminal record or have been arrested, even if it didn’t result in a conviction.

"Blown of out proportion" doesn't say "didn't happen".

I doubt the officials would be given details, just a "allow" or "deny" entry.

Not a Muslim.

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A British holidaymaker said he was made to feel like a terrorist after he and his eight-year-old son were barred from the US because they were considered a possible threat to national security.
Martin Saunders, from Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex, was preparing to board a flight from Heathrow to New York with his son Drew when they were stopped by a man who said he was a US Homeland Security official.

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