Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35933416)

Wow . . you really have got strange ideals.

Why don't you go the whole hog and refuse to buy ANY vehicle at all, in fact avoid anything made with steel and plastic, stop using 90% of household cleaners, then move out into the middle of nowhere and live off the land.

There's a heck of a lot more stuff damaging peoples health than a few cars putting out 0.1% more 'poisonous' fumes. :shocked:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35933416)

Wow . . you really have got strange ideals.

Why don't you go the whole hog and refuse to buy ANY vehicle at all, in fact avoid anything made with steel and plastic, stop using 90% of household cleaners, then move out into the middle of nowhere and live off the land.

There's a heck of a lot more stuff damaging peoples health than a few cars putting out 0.1% more 'poisonous' fumes. :shocked:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35933416)

Wow . . you really have got strange ideals.

Why don't you go the whole hog and refuse to buy ANY vehicle at all, in fact avoid anything made with steel and plastic, stop using 90% of household cleaners, then move out into the middle of nowhere and live off the land.

There's a heck of a lot more stuff damaging peoples health than a few cars putting out 0.1% more 'poisonous' fumes. :shocked:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35933416)

There's a heck of a lot more stuff damaging peoples health than a few cars putting out 0.1% more 'poisonous' fumes. :shocked:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35933446)

I've never understood the "if we can't fix everything, we shouldn't try to fix anything" approach.

Most improvements are incremental, rather than Big Bang.

ymmv

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35933531)

Well, I certainly would not buy a car from VW, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT or Škoda or a Ducati motorcycle.

I'd prefer it if manufacturers didn't deliberately cheat emissions rules and the VW group just cannot be trusted.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35933546)

And can any other groups be trusted?.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35933546)

And can any other groups be trusted?.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35933531)

Well, I certainly would not buy a car from VW, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT or Škoda or a Ducati motorcycle.

I'd prefer it if manufacturers didn't deliberately cheat emissions rules and the VW group just cannot be trusted.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35933563)

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-emissions-row

Best include Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo and Jeep on that list as well...

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35933605)

Tesla?

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35933608)

On yer bike. :D

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35933612)

Ha ha but of course :). There are some things that a car is handy for though. A Tesla model 3 is affordable and nice but hard to get at present.