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Sephiroth

25-08-2015 08:18

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by TAZMANUK (Post 35794994)

One would assume if you opt in, new firmware would be deployed forcing the Superhub into Superhub mode and disabling modem mode altogether. That would make sense.

As opting in would be the "send new firmware to disable modem mode, force Superhub mode, or if and when you opted out would send the previous firmware you was on before.

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Just as I posted the above I get the email from Virginmedia saying coming to my area in September lol

Those who have the public WiFi enabled firmware are able to see the opt-in/opt-out in My Virgin Media (assuming that you can navigate to there!).

Modem mode remains a free choice at the Superhub.

Skie	25-08-2015 08:19

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

There's nothing to say what happens to modem mode so I'd not panic just yet.

They won't just turn it off as part of the roll out, Virgin don't like generating more support calls.

Sephiroth

25-08-2015 08:22

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35795018)

Can the FAQ clarify the relationship between modem mode and WiFi sharing?

Also the point about "will this slow down your connection" is dubious. If you are on an over utilised segment there is no guarentee that the people "lodging" on your conenction will be also on the same segment.[COLOR="Silver"]

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[/COLOR]Out of interest, is there a sensible solution where you might want to opt in and use the new service but still want to retain your (better) router and all the features that come with it?

I'm not sure I completely understand the highlighted sentence but I know what you mean (I think).

A "lodger" MUST be on the same segment as you simply because it has to go back to the same line card via the same optics as your private traffic.

ianch99

25-08-2015 09:05

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35795063)

The FAQ asserts that the "lodgers" use of your WiFi will not degrade your service:

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But won't this cause extra congestion?

Unlikely. People using your connection are already Virgin customers, the bandwidth they're using on the shared wifi is just bandwidth they're not using at home.

The assertion that these users are not using their service at home and therefore will not impact your service is dubious. This is only true if they are also assigned to your cable segment, hard to prove but I would think that this scenario would be a minority one.

This raises a potential issue with this new service: if your segment is over-utilised then this additional traffic can only exacerbate the problem. How much by will be governed by the QoS, Bandwidth and Speed settings which AFAIK have not been released yet.

Kushan

25-08-2015 09:58

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35795067)

The FAQ asserts that the "lodgers" use of your WiFi will not degrade your service:

The assertion that these users are not using their service at home and therefore will not impact your service is dubious. This is only true if they are also assigned to your cable segment, hard to prove but I would think that this scenario would be a minority one.

This raises a potential issue with this new service: if your segment is over-utilised then this additional traffic can only exacerbate the problem. How much by will be governed by the QoS, Bandwidth and Speed settings which AFAIK have not been released yet.

The thing is, this applies regardless of local congestion. People are going to be upset if the shared wifi impacts their connection and it could impact them if the QoS isn't up to snuff - even in an area with zero congestion.

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Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35795061)

There's nothing to say what happens to modem mode so I'd not panic just yet.

They won't just turn it off as part of the roll out, Virgin don't like generating more support calls.

Ding ding ding! Virgin's entire operation revolves around upselling services and reducing support. It would be insane to retroactively disable a feature that was so heavily requested in the first place, because the only reason they created the feature was due to the number of support calls the non-modem mode firmware generated.

BenMcr

25-08-2015 10:30

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35794997)

It seems from what's been said you're automatically opted in unless you opt out. So will people in modem mode suddenly find there routers don't work and their wireless now rubbish? Stand by for a few complaints ! There's no way I'm using my Superdud1 in router mode -serves them right for giving customers cruddy equipment. As the Dragons say, I'm out !

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35795056)

absolutely, that is why I logged in and opted out as soon as they sent me the email explaining it all the other day. I don't think we have ever talked out it on this forum but hopefully there is a large enough number of users (I would guess 25%) that use modem mode that it has made VM pause for thought and address how they are going to get round it.

Modem mode is not being removed, nor will your choice to use Modem mode be reset.

Kushan

25-08-2015 11:01

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

So Ben, can you comment on what happens if you don't opt-out but continue to use Modem mode? Is this a possible loophole?

adduxi

25-08-2015 11:10

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35795059)

you sign into my virginmedia, click on profile and then scroll all the way down to the bottom to the wifi section and select opt out.

Nope ......
Been checking this for several days and there is nothing on my profile about WiFi.
Not too concerned, as I'm in Modem Mode and even if I was in Router Mode, the SH WiFi does not reach outside the house :)

DaMac

25-08-2015 12:32

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's Wifi Sharing

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35794537)

That's cause BT suck and their own "similar thing" is far too slow for modern youths!

I agree, I already have to move gangs of youths on from outside my property, if it gets around that there is free wi-Fi as well I will be deluged.
Does this work if you are set to modem mode?

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Ps if Virgin can get more data up and down my connection I want them to offer it to me, personally me and the wife don't need mobile wi-Fi we both have all you can eat 4g data plans, what an absolute stupid idea!

Kushan

25-08-2015 12:35

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's Wifi Sharing

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35795099)

Ps if Virgin can get more data up and down my connection I want them to offer it to me, personally me and the wife don't need mobile wi-Fi we both have all you can eat 4g data plans, what an absolute stupid idea!

So the speed doubling, then? Virgin can theoretically go even way above that.

DaMac

25-08-2015 12:40

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

pps there just opted out and any attempt to make my shub2 do anything than act in a modem will result in me leaving.

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35795102)

So the speed doubling, then? Virgin can theoretically go even way above that.

Well offer me 400mb internet then Virgin instead of offering me stuff I don't need, I'm sat here having my dinner near a field using 4g, there is not a chance I could get a signal from a super hub here, absolute waste of time and money idea jeez.

Kushan

25-08-2015 12:48

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35795105)

Well, unfortunately Virgin has several million customers, many of which will make great use of the service.

It's also a pretty efficient way to increase monetisation of their network - A software update - no doubt Virgin's wifi sharing will become part of a bigger wireless network that Virgin can charge 3rd parties access for.

It's shame that you won't personally find it useful, but I wager you also don't watch every single TV channel that comes through your box.

qasdfdsaq

25-08-2015 13:19

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35795056)

hopefully there is a large enough number of users (I would guess 25%) that use modem mode

In reality it's closer to 1%.

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Originally Posted by Dush (Post 35795058)

I'd like to keep modem mode - how do I opt out in my account? I've not received any emails/letters saying I will have access to the service yet.

Do nothing.

adduxi

25-08-2015 13:21

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35795107)

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It's shame that you won't personally find it useful, but I wager you also don't watch every single TV channel that comes through your box.

Don't think I would ever use this either, and as for the TV, there are days I don't even turn it on ....
Then again, I'm an old fart who still reads the Radio Times and can separate my phone from my hand ;)
I've even been known to read paper books .........

Xtinguish

25-08-2015 13:39

Re: FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

I found the opt out section easily on my profile so I used it as I do not wish to use the shared wi-fi service.

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