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qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 14:53

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35663254)
Is that true for all VM cabs? I know that some aren't even fed by fibre but more coax, but is it really only one fibre at most? Surely some of the busier areas have additional capacity?

None of the street (distribution) cabs are fed by any fibre at all.

Only the optical nodes are fed by fibre and each fibre is then split into multiple coax.

AbyssUnderground 16-01-2014 15:00

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35663250)
I've not done a spectral analysis of VM's copper to see how much of the spectrum they actually use - but even the copper coax can carry up to 5-6Gbps under good conditions.

You assume of course the underlying tech (DOCSIS3) can also cope with the speed, which if I'm right in thinking, it can't. I think it tops out at 1Gbps but that tech isn't adopted widely by VM yet (only in trial areas?).

FTTC is flat out fiber to the cab, then it splits into the VDSL signals to your phone line, so the bandwidth is only split at the cabinet, not at the fiber node like on VM which then runs on coax to the street cabs, which then splits again to the individual premises.

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 15:05

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
The total capacity of a piece of coax or fibre has nothing to do with the maximum speed DOCSIS 3 can deliver to a single broadband subscriber.

telfordcable 16-01-2014 15:06

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
This service by BT FTTPoD is the highest speed up to 330/30 but look at the price below:

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home...2e9%2Bmw%3D%3D

Best move to nearer NGA Aggregation Node within 0m-199m

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 15:09

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
Or just live at my old office raping the dual 10Gbps links for all they're worth.

AbyssUnderground 16-01-2014 15:11

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35663263)
The total capacity of a piece of coax or fibre has nothing to do with the maximum speed DOCSIS 3 can deliver to a single broadband subscriber.

My point was the DOCSIS technology VM runs on isn't capable of the 5-6Gbps you state the cable can handle, so the cable would never push that speed over that tech in comparison to fiber and VDSL.

kwikbreaks 16-01-2014 15:13

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35663135)
The Openreach FTTC DLM is a completely new beast and quite different to the traditional ADSL DLM. It wouldn't have been in use 5 years ago.

From odds and ends I've seen I think the 21C WBC ADSL is different from the version I knew and hated too.

Incidentally I do know that PlusNet sometimes fail to update their internal profile in line with the BTw profile. Their forum frequently has requests to fix those problems and to their credit the forum techs do get it done but the frequency of those requests suggests the automation is a PoS especially considering the vast majority of customers wouldn't be sufficiently switched on to realise there was an issue.

telfordcable 16-01-2014 15:19

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
PlusNet sometimes fail to update their internal profile in line with the BTw profile is really annoying and pain in the arse. Why is all isp's got two profiling on both sides Bt and the Isp to match the profile correct. Rather daft.

kwikbreaks 16-01-2014 15:22

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35663269)
My point was the DOCSIS technology VM runs on isn't capable of the 5-6Gbps you state the cable can handle,

20 50Mbps channels can carry 1Gbps so it would need 120 to handle 6Gbps ignoring upstream. Moderate length coax runs could just about cope with that but it would certainly exclude all TV.

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Originally Posted by telfordcable (Post 35663271)
PlusNet sometimes fail to update their internal profile in line with the BTw profile is really annoying and pain in the arse. Why is all isp's got two profiling on both sides Bt and the Isp to match the profile correct. Rather daft.

I'm guessing they may do it to avoid packet loss.

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 15:29

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35663269)
My point was the DOCSIS technology VM runs on isn't capable of the 5-6Gbps you state the cable can handle, so the cable would never push that speed over that tech in comparison to fiber and VDSL.

You forget much of the cable's capacity is used by several hundred megabits, if not gigabits, of broadcast television. Which has nothing to do with DOCSIS.

Are you somehow of the opinion cable TV does not exist?

AbyssUnderground 16-01-2014 15:31

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
No of course I know that exists, but I was talking about the Internet delivery side of it.

That said, I don't tend to watch TV so whether it exists or not doesn't bother me :)

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 15:33

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
The capacity of the cable has very little to do with "the internet delivery side of it"

telfordcable 16-01-2014 15:36

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
Is that true that virgin media say to me that it will increase 152Meg this year but the upload remain at 12Meg. Virgin ain't interesting in upload increasing (only the download is priority to them) Yesterday, I downloading 117GB and the speed haven't reduced at all, it stay at 12.3MB/s max out transfer rate.

craigj2k12 16-01-2014 17:31

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35663204)
The other great thing with FTTC is there should be no local congestion issues with it all being fiber, unlike the limited bandwidth of copper that I believe virgin uses (not all cabs are linked with fiber).

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ccessor-to-dsl

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35663208)
Fibre has limited bandwidth as well, you know. It's just....better than copper. A lot better.

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news...channel-117030

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 18:01

Re: (Advice) Thinking of leaving Virgin Media 120mb for BT Infinity up to 76mb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35663310)
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground (Post 35663204)
The other great thing with FTTC is there should be no local congestion issues with it all being fiber, unlike the limited bandwidth of copper that I believe virgin uses (not all cabs are linked with fiber).

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ccessor-to-dsl

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...broadband.html

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35663310)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35663208)
Fibre has limited bandwidth as well, you know. It's just....better than copper. A lot better.

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news...channel-117030

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...tic-cable.html


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