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Russ 24-12-2013 14:19

Re: M&S tells Muslim staff they CAN refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35657513)
To me if, you work in any store. Then you are employed to sell to customers, the products within that store.

Its like going for a butchers job that sells Halal meat. If you didn't like that, you wouldnt go there for a job would you.

That would be correct in this case if M&S only sold alcohol.

Hom3r 24-12-2013 15:47

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If I went for a job at an electrical store would they employ me if i said I would refuse to sell any Apple products?

Gary L 24-12-2013 15:58

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35657544)
If I went for a job at an electrical store would they employ me if i said I would refuse to sell any Apple products?

I thought your black guy one was better :)

Is your disliking of Apple products down to your religious beliefs?

Russ 24-12-2013 16:07

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35657544)
If I went for a job at an electrical store would they employ me if i said I would refuse to sell any Apple products?

If you had a legally-recognised reason for that objection (such as part of a religion) then you'd have a case.

Jimmy-J 24-12-2013 17:21

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What about the not so obvious products that contain alcohol? Such as soups, trifles, medicine etc... I bet there's plenty of products they sell that contain something from a pig too.

Sigma 24-12-2013 17:54

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35657513)
To me if, you work in any store. Then you are employed to sell to customers, the products within that store.

If you mean ALL of the products in that store, then clearly M&S and a bunch of other employers disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Russ
If you had a legally-recognised reason for that objection (such as part of a religion) then you'd have a case.

That's the problem with creating laws around unprovable beliefs though. If I invent my own religion that comes with its own set of rules, why is that any less valid then Islam or Christianity?

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
I am sick and tired of all this religious stuff coming into shops where certain staff won't sell this or that.

I can count the number of times I've been refused an item in a shop on religious grounds on the fingers of no hands. Who here has had it happen to them?

I'm sick and tired of people hiding their blatant Islamophobia behind faux outrage over a single incident that wasn't even in line with company policy, but that's just me. ;)

Russ 24-12-2013 18:02

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Originally Posted by Sigma (Post 35657583)
That's the problem with creating laws around unprovable beliefs though. If I invent my own religion that comes with its own set of rules, why is that any less valid then Islam or Christianity?

It's not about what is more or less 'valid', it's about what is recognised by law.

Sigma 24-12-2013 18:18

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35657585)
It's not about what is more or less 'valid', it's about what is recognised by law.

But why should all religions, including one that I invent right now, not be recognised in law when some religions already are? The answer to that is obvious - because it would be completely unworkable - but that only begs the question of whether any religious belief should be protected by law in the first place, given that the law itself only covers certain religions (in certain aspects) and is therefore, itself, discriminatory.

Russ 24-12-2013 18:23

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Originally Posted by Sigma (Post 35657593)
But why should all religions, including one that I invent right now, not be recognised in law when some religions already are? The answer to that is obvious - because it would be completely unworkable - but that only begs the question of whether any religious belief should be protected by law in the first place, given that the law itself only covers certain religions (in certain aspects) and is therefore, itself, discriminatory.

It's because some religions are recognised in law - some aren't. That doesn't necessarily make any of them any less 'valid'. Not saying I think that's right or wrong, just stating a fact.

Ramrod 24-12-2013 21:55

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35657596)
It's because some religions are recognised in law - some aren't. That doesn't necessarily make any of them any less 'valid'.

Well it does make them less valid in the eyes of the law and therefore not religions.....as far as the law says :shrug:

Russ 24-12-2013 22:01

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"Valid" in terms of what they mean to people.

Halcyon 24-12-2013 22:05

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If you dont want to serve pork or alcohol then don't work there.
Simple.

It's a store. They sell stuff. Not happy to sell those products? Then get a job elswhere.

Russ 24-12-2013 22:31

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It's a bit more than that though. I work at Asda but I don't serve pork or alcohol, in fact I'm not even on the shop floor.

Sigma 24-12-2013 22:33

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 35657637)
If you dont want to serve pork or alcohol then don't work there.
Simple.

It's a store. They sell stuff. Not happy to sell those products? Then get a job elswhere.

They were hired on the basis that they would not be asked to serve customers with certain products and the only reason that they were is because of a one-off failure in company policy. If you have any issue, surely it has to be with M&S and all of the other stores that have similar policies, not with the Muslim who politely refused to serve the customer.

Jimmy-J 24-12-2013 23:09

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Dawkins Attacks Marks & Spencer Over Muslims Refusing To Serve Alcohol & Pork Products
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These Marks & Spencer tweets may seem frivolous. But they are serious examples of the kind of RIDICULE religious discrimination deserves.

— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) December 22, 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_4491690.html


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