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I don't think they will take us seriously, we couldn't even get one measly country to support our position, we are completely ostracised and can't even argue to get some of that power back, the more I see, hear and think about it the more I feel Dave's petulance was a massive error, still it played well in those grotty little tabloids.

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so you feel that Cameron should have agreed to sign the new treaty ?

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Whilst not a fan of Cameron l feel on this occasion the decision to use our veto was the right decision to make but it will be interesting in the next few days to see the body language between him and Pinocchio Clegg.

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Do I? Thanks for letting me know what I'm feeling 'coz I thought I was feeling it would have been better if Dave had played for time, not signed it and tried to get at least 1 but preferably 3 or 4 other countries to support us, still that wouldn't have had The Sun fawning all over him would it.

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As do i .It would effectively mean that we have no control over our own budgets ,our financial sector would have been under threat and we would have to prop up more countries with financial bail outs ,and i daresay that there would be other bits to the treaty snuck in under the radar to remove even more sovereignty

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I asked a question ,that's what this ? means :rolleyes:and i asked it because you called him petulant leading me to think that you are in favour of him signing .The reason why "one measley country"won't support us is because those measley countries rely on the EU to bail them out (or may in the future) .This new treaty will take years to sort out so there is plenty of time for other countries to realise what they are signing up for and pull out and plenty of time for the EU big guns (France/Germany)to pull their heads in and realise that they need our financial input to make this treaty work

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Looked more like an assumption than a question, regardless of a question mark, still does imo.

Yes and you think we could've convinced one of them that doesn't need bailing out to side with us, Sweden for instance felt the impact of a Tobin tax on it's then thriving financial sector in the '80's.

Yes months and years where we have absolutely no influence over it, no input what so ever and no chance to argue what's best for us, is this the really the victory the tabloids and some here are claiming?

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We never would have had any influence over it.:rolleyes: Berlin could have separated out the bits that they knew full well in advance that the UK didn't want, and found unanimous agreement on the rest. Those separated bits could have been subject to a different agreement. Their sole purpose was(and always will be) to damage the UK.

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I fear you are correct and you can bet a Tobin Tax wouldn't have got so much support from Merkel and Sarkozy if the 'City' was in Berlin/Paris and contributed 10% of German/French GDP. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

The French and Germans are quite happy to sideline the UK since they believe the UK is all that stands between them and the superstate they believe is the only way forward.

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That's bad, when I have been ill and unable to sleep properly I felt terrible the following day, totally shattered. I can imagine how you feel when you have to go to work in that condition.
This bloody weather doesn't help, we should all have emigrated years ago.

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