Re: Do Muslim kids visit churches as part of their education?
 

If you are going to bait me and put me in the same bracket as Gary L then I suggest you read my posts again.

Re: Do Muslim kids visit churches as part of their education?
 

nope its the bedrock of this forum .

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What on Earth are you on about?

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By that church, I assume you mean a Catholic church?

As I said before, I would respect the "house rules" even if I didn't fully agree, and I wouldn't be forced in there either.

Plus I would not embarrass myself, family, or friends by not entering

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and thats her right too some will feel like me that only if you were required to do something like bowing or putting on a hat for a specific part of a service would i say no but others may feel that if they dont wear a hat normally they shouldn't have to

my feelings on whether these trips are good i already made buit i would add i think it seems to me that maybe if they had been given a lot more information on what and why they were being asked to wear there may have been less hassle any how

wrong order on answers lol

schools reasoning i am sure is very reasonable if viewed as them making sure they ticked every box ready for inspection ! but not so when it comes to explaining to parents or on what permision slips are if saying no means you are making your child a truant

which actualy is where i would have taken issue and refused the trip solely on those grounds offering to go to school to look after them if it was really being abandoned for the trip ;)

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i have taken this from the National society for promoting Religious education
http://www.natsoc.org.uk/schools/curriculum/nc/nc4.html

these guidlines are the ones that the school follows as they work hand in hand with the national curriculum

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There's a National society for promoting Religious education??

What a totally pointless aim...

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/4...thout-religion

The more I see of religion, the more opposed I am to any teaching of it at all, I consider all organized religion to be a negative force.
And yes, I'll put my own leanings as UCTAA
http://www.uctaa.net/ourchurch/intro.html
As it sums up the whole ridiculousness of it all!

Getting back on topic, nobody comes out smelling of roses in this, allowances needed to be made for those who do have some objection.

Re: Do Muslim kids visit churches as part of their education?
 

Interesting if you look at it from another angle.
just supposing it wasn't religion but something else. like say you believed in aliens and some believed in fairies, whilst others believed in lepricorns.

a group of fairy and alien believers had to go and visit a place where they believed in lepricorns. and to show respect for that visit you had to wear a green hat and a ginger wig.

religion is a powerful thing really. it affects people in so many ways whether you believe or you don't believe. you have to be taught it as part of a curriculum.

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actually gary that's incorrect ,children don't get taught religion at school they get taught ABOUT religion, totally different thing
I think it also has to be remembered that the parents and child are catholics ,she goes to a catholic school ,they are already religious so no one is forcing religion down anyones throat .

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I'd say it was the same thing.
You get taught history, and you get taught about history.

That's in reply to the mother in the story. not nothing I've said.

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I would disagree with you, Gary - one size does not fit all; there is a difference in being taught about something, and being taught it (practical versus abstract).

For instance, children are taught Arithmetic, English, French, etc, which allows them to use practical skills in Arithmetic, English, French, etc - they are taught about Religion, Ethics, Politics et al to (imho) give them knowledge of those areas to inform viewpoints, not to give them skills to be religious practitioners or politicians. (I won't get into the realms of metalearning and metathinking :D ).

Sometimes, learning is for the sake of knowledge, not just for practical application (but willing to be corrected on this by any practicing teachers on the forum).

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i know , it was just a statement to the posters that seem to think that religion has been forced down this girls throat ,as a religious family (or appear to be by the type of school the girl goes to) that is not the case

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Everything in schools are 'taught' me saying "you have to be taught" does not mean you have to be taught to 'become' to 'be' religious.

lessons for today are P.E. maths, geography, french and R.E.
(Note to parents and the pedantic) R.E. is taught 'about'. your child is safe :erm: :)

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Like it or not, religion is an integral part of the society we live in today. I think children should learn about the various beliefs, even if it means wearing a headscarf for an hour or so.

Having a little knowledge about something is much better than living in complete ignorance.

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I don't think there is a problem with ignorance of religion as long as it doesn't lead to intolerence of religion which it doesn't automatically. While i am happy that religion is there for those who want it i don't believe it is something that should be forced on kids or done in such a way that it is basically forced on them as this case if what is reported is true. I am ignorant of many faiths and their details but i am happy for them to exist and to be there for those who wish to have that faith and i would not appreciate being classed as a truant if i chose not to enter a religious building or did not want to wear something that was associated with a faith.

I don't think this is much of a story and think the school should have been able to accomadate however many parents didn't want their kids to go without classing them as truants if they did not attend all seems a bit ott for me.