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Ignitionnet 16-06-2009 10:09
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34814470)
And so the complainers begin there bloody moaning :rolleyes:

If this service was free, no Stm and then they burnt it to disk for you for free, There would still be the numptys that would complain because they have nothing better to do with there boring lives other than moan and complain.

If you want to continue downloading from the usual places after this starts then don't come crying when the BPI take you to court. You will not have the excuse that there was no other ways to get it.

I for one will give it a try and see what its like. If i like it i will then continue to use it if i don't then i will not use it. That's my CHOICE same as i have the CHOICE of who i use for my broadband and if i use one that uses STM.

Let the service start before you moan about it.
Stones and glass houses, especially re: the BPI comment. - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34814646

BenMcr 16-06-2009 10:11
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by Broadbandings (Post 34815045)
I have read it and there is nothing in it about suspension of services nor is that a final report - the full one is out today actually and will address this. If they do decide to run with mandatory suspension regimes I'm emigrating early ;)
Well this is what the Guardian thinks: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...in-lord-carter

All ISPs will have to sign-up to a new warning letter regime which will be backed up by "technical measures" that will see the worst offenders have their connection speeds reduced sharply. Exactly how those measures will work and what standard of proof and appeals procedure will be needed, will be the job of the ISPs and content players to work out through the auspices of the "rights agency" – although that will not, however, be its name.

Ignitionnet 16-06-2009 10:14
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34815051)
Well this is what the Guardian thinks: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...in-lord-carter

All ISPs will have to sign-up to a new warning letter regime which will be backed up by "technical measures" that will see the worst offenders have their connection speeds reduced sharply. Exactly how those measures will work and what standard of proof and appeals procedure will be needed, will be the job of the ISPs and content players to work out through the auspices of the "rights agency" – although that will not, however, be its name.
Yes but that's still similar to a naughty boy STM, not a temporary disconnection. However given the cretin whose name is on the report mandatory disconnection and public flogging wouldn't be a huge surprise.

In other news for those commenting on STM, STM is not a device to alleviate transit and peering capacity issues or save money there, it is to save money on local HFC network upgrades and CMTS hardware. Regardless of whether the traffic is on-net or not it still uses CMTS capacity and that's where the crunch point and most cost per Mbit is by a very long way.

Magilla 16-06-2009 17:51
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34814431)
I wonder if they will watermark it in some way, so if it finds its way onto any of the file-sharing networks they can tell who put it there.
Possibly.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/12467...ht_piracy.html

though I don't think this has been rolled out as yet.



---------- Post added at 17:36 ---------- Previous post was at 17:26 ----------

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Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 34814504)
Just because it can be kept forever, and played on "mp3 compatable devices", doesn't mean its not wrapped in DRM.
It does because mp3 decoders will not understand the DRM, and thus won't play the file.

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Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 34814504)
If its wrapped in DRM, then Sony's SonicStage cannot transcode it to a format compatable with my minidisc player, which is classed as an "mp3 compatable device", purely because sonicstage transcodes it on the fly before uploading it to the minidisc.
So clearly it won't be DRM'd if the claim that it will play on any "mp3 compatable devices" is to be true.

A watermark, however, is not DRM.

BenMcr 16-06-2009 18:14
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Originally Posted by Magilla (Post 34815304)
It is if your using a psychoacoustic codec such as MP3, you don't get out what you put in.

It's highly unlikely any watermark would come out the other end in any meaningful way if the original watermark wasn't audible.
They why does someone sell a product that does just that?

http://www.musictrace.de/products/contentmark.en.htm

ContentMarkMP3 is a product for embedding watermarks in existing MP3 audio files. The format is not changed by the watermark, consequently the MP3 audio file still conforms with standards. After watermarking, the file can be played on any MP3 player and is accepted by any MP3 player software that also accepts the original MP3 file.

Magilla 16-06-2009 18:19
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34815348)
They why does someone sell a product that does just that?

http://www.musictrace.de/products/contentmark.en.htm

ContentMarkMP3 is a product for embedding watermarks in existing MP3 audio files. The format is not changed by the watermark, consequently the MP3 audio file still conforms with standards. After watermarking, the file can be played on any MP3 player and is accepted by any MP3 player software that also accepts the original MP3 file.
Indeed, my mistake. I changed the post to reflect my wrongness.

cook1984 16-06-2009 18:57
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This sounds good. Pay for one month, set up a site leecher to download their entire catalogue of music, then cancel subscription. Thousands of songs for a tenner or so, all above board and paid for.

BenMcr 16-06-2009 19:16
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
No guarantee that that would work? If you look at the way Amazon work - although you get MP3s the only way you can download them is using their software

Pushkar 16-06-2009 19:27
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34815379)
No guarantee that that would work? If you look at the way Amazon work - although you get MP3s the only way you can download them is using their software
Once you get the MP3's, what can Amazon/Virgin do after?

DRM-Free as well, nothing can be done - but obviously there will probably be some sort of 'contract' for it.

BenMcr 16-06-2009 19:33
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by TaiLZ (Post 34815386)
Once you get the MP3's, what can Amazon/Virgin do after?

DRM-Free as well, nothing can be done - but obviously there will probably be some sort of 'contract' for it.
Well nothing - unless they appear on P2P sites, in which case they will take you to court.

As linked to earlier you can watermark an MP3 on download with details of who downloaded it. So if that appears on the internet then Virgin could 100% prove the file came from you. How it came to be online wouldn't even matter

jab1990 16-06-2009 19:35
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
Is this another coming soon promise or is there actually a date for this.

Rik 16-06-2009 19:43
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
Will it be a DRM ridden service?

BenMcr 16-06-2009 19:46
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by jab1990 (Post 34815388)
Is this another coming soon promise or is there actually a date for this.
Before Christmas 2009 - as it says in the Press Release

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Originally Posted by Rik (Post 34815393)
Will it be a DRM ridden service?
No they are MP3s - as strongly suggested in the Press Release and already discussed several times in the thread

Rik 16-06-2009 19:57
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34815394)
No they are MP3s - as strongly suggested in the Press Release and already discussed several times in the thread
I do normally read all the thread before I post!
Honest! :p:

mertle 16-06-2009 21:59
Re: Virgin Media to Launch World's First Unlimited Music Download Service
 
I been given this some thought while reading this thread.

Could Virgin charge those to sign up who get it from there own source method. I have used a internet radio software which you purchase a contract yearly and permits you download songs you like.

Another thought is this why dont virgin run a P2p service which then has a centrally stored data which can be increased by partisipating companies artist and even tied with VOD online service so TV series and ultimately films go on it.

Anybody signing up will be able to share between its users these files but user will not be able to upload own stuff to to stop piracy issues.

People will be able download store this files on medium to watch wherever. So it would useful for those with media centre could put favourates stuff to take on holiday to watch. We could even have a way to watch your Virgin media tv package subscribed on the net like sky do. But this needs a new idea as an wifi setup in the country so you could use your internet service wherever in the country via virgin wifi hotspots.

If done properly this could open so much to its customers.


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