Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34539412)

I'm trying to make sense of why Don_1 or anyone for that matter, finds it ok to inform on one certain person in particular?

Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34539472)

Stealing a car is a serious criminal offence, stealing cable is not.

Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34539519)

Garry Newlove tried the same thing, and look how that turned out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/7101912.stm

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34539723)

Eh?How can you say that?:confused:

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I've just read this entire thread and I'm astounded.

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I also bet they are the ones who habitually claim that the police do nothing about crime.Well yes of course they don't IF NO ONE TELLS THEM A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED and that would be grassing wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

That attitude is frankly moronic.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34539747)

Its illegal, its theft, thats the motivation of reporting someone.

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34539723)

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

Originally Posted by Jonnymeg (Post 34539756)

Theft is theft. Stealing a car is important to the person who owns the said car. Stealing cable is important to the cable company. No one is worse than the other and should be treated equally.

Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34539800)

When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

Originally Posted by UncleBooBoo (Post 34539830)

I would like my account/membership closed on this forum, how do i go about doing so?

Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34539800)

When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34539834)

It makes someone a hypocrite, so what, its still illegal.

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34539843)

Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34539855)

Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal. :rolleyes:

This has always been a basic rule of society, though. That's never going to change.

I think we're getting into very different issues here. The reality is that you can phone Virgin and report someone stealing cable, and find that they aren't particularly interested. Best case scenario, they will put that particular line on the list to be disconnected whenever they have a tech in the area anyway, but if it's someone who already has a minimum subscription, even phone and broadband, it's unlikely that they will do anything at all.

That's not going to happen, though. Only in very rare circumstances will the cable companies try to prosecute individual offenders, and if the supposed victim can't even be bothered, I'd say that's about as close to the definition of victimless crime as you're ever going to get.

Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34539835)

Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34539843)

Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.:rolleyes:

Too many people feel alone and lost in a society that seems to have given up and accept reprehensible behaviour as the norm because it isn't much of a crime.

There are too many such crimes joining the list.Like shoplifting...only the big firms are affected and it's a victimless crime.However you and I are the victims because the big business's just put 10p onto the cost of their products to cover their rising insurance premiums.All those 10p will eventually add up to millions that you,I and everyone else pays extra across the board.

The truth is there is NO such crime as a victimless crime.Someone somewhere has to pay.I'd rather it was the crook who does the paying.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34539860)

Are you playing hard to get or what? So downloading MP3's is illegal to, so what, if a certain person reports theft of cable and not theft of MP3's, it might make them a hypocrite, so what? They are still reporting an illegal crime at the end of the day, which is all that matters. Some people might agree or disagree with certain laws, so what? Might make them a hypocrite, so what? An illegal theft has still been reported.

We have been told to stay of the issue of MP3's, so you sitting there all night typing "Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal." is not getting us anywhere, I know you never, I never said you did. As we are not supposed to go of topic, he has or wants to report a theft, what more is there to it.

Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34539835)

Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34539872)

good point.

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iv worked in shops & they just claim it back from their insurance.

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:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34539860)

Are you playing hard to get or what?

Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34539889)

What do you mean?

As I have already explained to you, I'm interested in the motivation and apparent hypocrisy behind how someone might decide to report one type of perceived crime and ignore another. I'm still not sure why this seems to have rattled your cage, or indeed what exactly you're hoping to achieve here, since you clearly have no interest in the complexities of the issue, and just seem irked by the fact that I do. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not content to just sit and throw out completely meaningless phrases like "theft is theft" all night, and instead choose to take a more critical and realistic look at the issue at hand, to the extent possible within the mods' requested constraints, of course.