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Ramrod 25-03-2005 13:20
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Originally Posted by scastle
My point is in cases like this, surely it's better to prevent people from offending in the first place? Whatever is done to the paedophile after the event will not help the damage done to the victims.
I know what you meant but it's impossible to catch someone before they commit such an offence............

me283 25-03-2005 13:24
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Ah, but then you can't satisfy vengeful blood lust!
Whilst you cannot prevent an offence after it happens, you could do more to prevent re-offending. Let's be blunt here: if this man had been put to death, he wouldn't have re-offended many times over. Harsh but true.

Stuart 25-03-2005 13:34
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Originally Posted by scastle
My point is in cases like this, surely it's better to prevent people from offending in the first place? Whatever is done to the paedophile after the event will not help the damage done to the victims.
I know what you meant but it's impossible to catch someone before they commit such an offence............
Maybe, with research, we will find a way to prevent Paedo's re-offending. Possibly some medical treatment, or counselling. I don't know.

Maybe we will find a deterrant. Clearly prison isn't that deterrent. Maybe it's because people don't believe they will get caught.

I think Diamond's point about the Death penalty not working is valid, as, although the death penalty is not currently used for Paedophiles (unless they murder a child), his point is that the US still has a high murder rate, despite having a death penalty in many states. The death penalty doesn't appear to work for preventing murders, and I don't think it would work for child abuse either.

As I stated earlier, I am not actually advocating Paedophile rights, just trying to come with a constructive way to stop them.

andyl 25-03-2005 13:44
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Originally Posted by me283
Whilst you cannot prevent an offence after it happens, you could do more to prevent re-offending. Let's be blunt here: if this man had been put to death, he wouldn't have re-offended many times over. Harsh but true.

Can't argue with the logic. But if we're going down that road you can cut crime rates dramatically by making previously illegal acts legal. Simple and most effective crime statistic reduction measure. ;) Neither argument works though does it?!

me283 25-03-2005 13:50
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Can't argue with the logic. But if we're going down that road you can cut crime rates dramatically by making previously illegal acts legal. Simple and most effective crime statistic reduction measure. ;) Neither argument works though does it?!
I think in this case, and in relation to this area of crime, the death penalty is much more preferable to legalising paedophile acts.

andyl 25-03-2005 14:05
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I think in this case, and in relation to this area of crime, the death penalty is much more preferable to legalising paedophile acts.
I hope you are aware that that was not what I was suggesting.

me283 25-03-2005 14:09
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I hope you are aware that that was not what I was suggesting.
Of course, and my reply was not meant to suggest that. I am trying to point out that punishments must fit crimes, and at present the justice system offers punishments that are far too lenient. Capital punishment is the most extreme punishment, but paedophile acts are possibly the most extreme crime.

Lew 25-03-2005 16:19
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The US are just gun toting manics with nothing else better to do.
Generalise much? :rolleyes:

andyl 25-03-2005 17:08
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Generalise much? :rolleyes:
Yes :D

budwieser 25-03-2005 20:06
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Ah, but then you can't satisfy vengeful blood lust!
Yes you can, Its called Revenge.
An Eye for an Eye.
Doesn`t solve the problem but it makes amends slightly!.

fatboy 25-03-2005 20:58
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I dearly loved my first missus and I was gutted when she left me. She left me because her mind had been so screwed up by a molester as a kid that she could never have a normal relationship.

As someone who has seen what a child molester can do to a childs mind I have to say that if, God forbid, anyone were to touch my kids I would be the angel of death. I would rather sit in prison myself than know that **** like this will one day be free to reoffend. And no I am not advocating a lynch mob mentality - but justice today fails the victim all too often.

None of this gutless PC / liberal BS for me!

Earl of Bronze 26-03-2005 02:11
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Originally Posted by scastle
My point is in cases like this, surely it's better to prevent people from offending in the first place? Whatever is done to the paedophile after the event will not help the damage done to the victims.
So how do we stop paedophiles from offending in the frist place? Give every teenager a psych test, and anyone who tests as sexually deviant be put in a program, which the tax-payer foots the bill for, for the rest of the deviants life? How about a one year scheme, where paedophiles can come forward, surrender themselves to the authorities, and be given treatment to stop their deviant lifestyle?

Somehow I dont think someone who gets their rocks of mollesting children will agree to stop, unless they are forced to. Paedophiles either know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway. Or they have a head full of bad wiring, and are an abhoration to be removed from decient society.

The vast majority of people in any social group, will be willing to live within the rules and social morays (sp?) that allows large groups of individuals to function in a productive manner. Those individuals who refuse to follow a socially moral, and lawfull lifestyle need to be removed from society like the cancer they are. Wether this means ''stringing them up, nailing them up, or removing the means to fulfill their compulsion, or giving them life with hard labour'' then that is what is needed IMO.

In any society *The Many must come before The Few*. Without this, society falls apart into chaos. Sorta like whats happening today.

me283 26-03-2005 08:55
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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
So how do we stop paedophiles from offending in the frist place? Give every teenager a psych test, and anyone who tests as sexually deviant be put in a program, which the tax-payer foots the bill for, for the rest of the deviants life? How about a one year scheme, where paedophiles can come forward, surrender themselves to the authorities, and be given treatment to stop their deviant lifestyle?

Somehow I dont think someone who gets their rocks of mollesting children will agree to stop, unless they are forced to. Paedophiles either know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway. Or they have a head full of bad wiring, and are an abhoration to be removed from decient society.

The vast majority of people in any social group, will be willing to live within the rules and social morays (sp?) that allows large groups of individuals to function in a productive manner. Those individuals who refuse to follow a socially moral, and lawfull lifestyle need to be removed from society like the cancer they are. Wether this means ''stringing them up, nailing them up, or removing the means to fulfill their compulsion, or giving them life with hard labour'' then that is what is needed IMO.

In any society *The Many must come before The Few*. Without this, society falls apart into chaos. Sorta like whats happening today.
All true. Nothing in there that the "many" would disagree with, myself included. But you are forgetting that as soon as you start making comments like that, some do-gooder comes along and starts bleating on about "human rights". In my opinion, paedophiles are sub-human, so bo*****s to their "rights".

allieyoung666 26-03-2005 09:22
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Originally Posted by Lew
Generalise much? :rolleyes:
Okay I will then, when we lived in the states, Corpus Christi, Texas. Virtually every person I worked with at the medical center and when Paul worked on an exchange visit with the sister company he works for had a gun, and they wernt afraid to show them, infact they seem quite proud of their weapondry why??? Everytime I asked a person this, was the same answer you have to protect yourself in this country it is like dog eat dog and you have to give yourself every chance or you do not have a chance at all!!!! It is the same in New York and Florida. So that is why they like like gun toting manics, 50% of injuries I helped with were gun injuries, they suffer from the wild west syndrome. And I am not going into that as it takes to long to explain. Untill you have lived in that country you will never know what I mean!

Lew 26-03-2005 14:04
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Hold on, let me get this right. You're judging the whole of the US on the basis of Texans?!?! :rofl:


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