Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Want to back that claim up with any cites or proof?

Or is it just what you've seen reported in the Tabloid Media (those noted bastions of impartial reporting...!) about a minority of Muslims??

And once again the presumption of innocence goes out of the window...

So far all we have is a "group of four men... near an airport". Should *ALL* Muslims near airports be stopped and searched "just in case"...?

Maybe we should stop Muslims living anywhere under the flight paths to Heathrow et al... :rolleyes:
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How many do I want? None.

Do I want to violate the civil rights of an entire religion *just in case* one of them may be planning such an attack? Hell no!

But you seem to think that such an action is justifiable based on nothing more than fear and suspicion.

And we could do more to prevent this from happening by kicking all Muslims out of the country or locking them up "just in case"... :rolleyes:

Ever read 2000AD? Ever heard of Judge Death...?

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Police work is not a science. It's hit and miss. There is something in law called the "balance of probability"; there is also "reasonable doubt"; and finally "on suspicion of...". None of these things are definite, a lot of it is to do with judgement.

By the way, what would you think if a spot check caught a terrorist with a bomb? Would you still think his civil rights had been violated, as long as he hadn't detonated it (yet)?

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Do you genuinely think its sensible and logical to target all muslims because of the beliefs of a tiny minority? Christian extremists get up to all sorts around the world but I wouldn't advocate indiscriminately targeting Christians in the territories in which they operate (such as the US).

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

It's not because they think they're guilty either.

It's perfectly possible to asked a few routine questions as a matter of security.

I used to go to nightclubs (a few years ago now) and I was searched before I was let in.

Not because they thought I was a drug dealer, or had a weapon. Just a routine security check. Thats all

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

There was a time, not that long ago, where you had to have your bags searched before you went into any shop in Belfast city centre.

And your right the army did put regular checkpoints up where they stopped people at random or people who looked suspicious and questioned them on their movements.

I've been stopped by these a few times its usually of a case of "can I see your license sir", "where are you going to tonight" etc

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

There wasn't much judgement shown in the application of the SUS laws in the 70s. The result. Widespread civil disorder. Nice tactic!

What would you think if a terrorist attack took place because of the ill thought through, indiscrimate and ineffective policing methods used?

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

But nobody has said that ALL Muslims will be targetted. It's common sense to increase focus in areas where there is a perceived threat.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

I probably only agree with about 20% of what you say on this subject Graham, but I do admire your determination, if nothing else. :tu:

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

I have already *said*, the better way is to get the Muslim world *on* our side and get them to *help* us instead of treating them *ALL* as potential terrorists!

If you can find anything, anywhere, to imply that I have said this, I hereby invite you to quote it in big letters.

When you can't, please, feel free to apologise for implying that I *would* ever suggest such thing.

If it is not, then it is *because* of people like you who seem to consider that rights are something that can be taken away at a whim whenever it is convenient for the powers that be.

As opposed to the smell of burning liberties...???

Again you completely miss the point. You appear to think that it is ok to question *ALL* Muslims based on the actions of a minority.

That *IS* discriminating against an *entire* group and is short sighted and foolish.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

I hate to point this out, but the 70s were about 30 years ago. That's a very tired argument.

And do you really think the latter is likely to happen? Fundamentalist groups cite things like "Capitalist Greed", not "imbalanced police suspicion".

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Oh look, Graham's on his high horse again slinging out the insults to anyone who doesn't agree with him - the second surprise of the day ..... not :rolleyes:

Well surprising as it may be to you, the fact that you post huge posts spouting off with lots of *shouting* does not make your views right and everyone elses wrong. Once again you seem to think that if you force your views on people long enough and loud enough then you win the "debate". Well to answer your neg rep comment, I don't want a reasonable debate (or an unreasonable one) I'm not interested in a debate at all - I agree with the home office, end of story. If you can't deal with that then tough - it's no surprise to me and certainly isn't going to change anything.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

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Wake up and smell the coffee.


As opposed to the smell of burning liberties...???

As opposed to the smell of burning bodies.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

.................and perhaps apply that to what happened in New York, Spain, Bali....... :(

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

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That is racist. Or, if you prefer, religionist. Whatever you want to call it, it is *discriminatory* based on nothing more than fear and innuendo and *that* is most definitely an *unacceptable* fact.

But that's *NOT* what you said!

Let me quote exactly what *was* said:

You have dismissed *ALL* of the words of "the Islamic Council of GB and other major Islamic bodies" condemning terrorism as merely "lip service". You didn't even make the *attempt* to suggest that "not all those that speak out are genuine."

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

As I have said twice already......my muslim receptionist told me this.