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Do you understand what the Parliament Act is actually for? Or why we have a second chamber in Parliament?

The House of Commons has legitimised the role and authority of the Lords each and every time it has sought to re-structure or redefine its role in the legislature. As the Commons is supreme, the current structure of the Lords is a reflection of the will of the Commons (it was MPs who voted to remove the hereditary peers, remember). And as the Commons is a democratic body, the role and make-up of the House of Lords is, fundamentally, a product of the democratic process. The Parliament Act guarantees the primacy of the Commons and was designed to ensure the safe passage of legislation this country needs to function, not to force through matters of conscience decided in the Commons on a free vote by fewer than half of all MPs.

The Lords plays an important role in our lawmaking process. Its strength lies in the fact that it is not directly elected. It can afford to take decisions and offer advice based on a longer term outlook, without need for spin or image management (as they don't have to worry about getting elected). When the Lords throws out laws designed to ban fox hunting, it does so because it recognises that banning minority pursuits for reasons of class envy is contrary to traditions of law and governance in this country.

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Fake bomb 'smuggled into Commons' :rolleyes:

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so thats why they want to ban hunting with dogs is it,class envy.
well i don't envy any of the pompous people in the house of lords,and i certainly don't have to be upper class to know that hunting with dogs is a cruel sport.

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... and gassing their dens and killing young and old is not cruel?

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Yes, and I think you need to be very careful about assuming that those who have voted to outlaw hunting have done so for the same reasons as you oppose it.

Let me be clear about this, for me personally the jury is out on the cruelty issue. I don't claim to know enough about it, and I don't accept blindly the deliberately emotive descriptions of foxes being 'torn to shreds' which are clearly designed to conclude the argument without allowing any rational discussion to take place. When I get a chance to look at it properly I might well conclude that we are better off without hunting.

However, the ban has been brought about by back-bench pressure led by a cabal of Old Labour class warriors (Dennis Skinner and the like, who frankly insulted our Parliamentary tradition during the debate by shouting that the Lords should be told to 'go to hell' over the issue). This is not just my isolated opinion, I've been Googling (so far unsuccessfully) to find you the ravings of the Guardian columnist who was interviewed on Radio 4 earlier this week and admitted candidly this very point. The banning of hunting with hounds is for these people about dismantling one of the few remaining elements of a feudal society dominated by aristocrats, and to them is as important as was removing hereditary Peers from the House of Lords.

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I agree and wonder how can something be a 'sport' when it involves killing another living thing?

why do these people take pleasure in the persuit and ultimate death of an animal?

invading the democratically elected parliment in order to further their cause just fits in nicely with their thug image.

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Ever seen the end of a fox hunt?
Spent many years working in the country on a farm, spent many afternoons chasing hunts off land they were not authorised to be on.
Have seen what little was left of a por fox after the pack of hounds had finnished with it.

Think about it 20 to 30 dogs that are bred to attack an animal after an extensive chase, the dogs DO bay for blood as much as the aristocratic ********* that think this kind of hunting is a sport. If one single dog can be capable of tearing a small child apart what is a pack of dogs going to do to a fox? They certainly are not going to chase it for miles and lick it to death. A dog kills by ripping, only big cats etc kill by a single bite to the throat, a dog tears chunks out of its victim because thats how nature works and thats how dogs kill. (watch the next time a dog is trying to get somehtign from you, see how it shakes its head violently, imagine that was a fox in the dogs mouth, flesh is going to rip......sporry for the gory details but thats how it does happen)

Now the other side of the argument, yes foxes sometimes kill chickens. Not exactly a major loss, one that is never the less preventable by Farmers investing in a little money and protecting the chickens properly.

Fox's can be pests, yes they do kill other animals but thats bloody nature for you. No matter what happens the fox does not deserve to be ripped apart whilst still alive. If you ever see a hunt (which I hope you dont) you understand that there is no sport, the fox stands no chance of escaping usually and if it did ever escape it would probably die from shock or exhuastion anyway. Its about time land owners prevented hunts. My uncle never once permitted it and had gone as far as threatening the "toffs" because they threatened to have him arrested!!! for denying them access to his land. Bunch of pompous ********* that dont live in the real world.

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The Cheshire Hunt. I thought thats only cats smile their. But I'm wrong it's the dogs that smile. :mad: :td:

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it now looks all but certain that the Parliament Act will be invoked
to force a ban on hunting in England and Wales this will most likely
happen with in the next faw weeks