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bigitup_j 25-06-2004 14:24
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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
So what about the people in my particular case? - I never 'took' any blood - just insulin. Is/was it just these people who were wrong? - not the religion?
not the religion. nothing wrong with insulin. blood is a no-no for JWs :)

bigitup_j 25-06-2004 14:27
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Originally Posted by Mark B
Jehova's Witnesses hold an annual conference every year, often at places like Twickenham Rugby ground. 20,000 of them on average attend these.
We have several of these conventions during the year. Over 150,000 attended them last year around Britain, which was great. :)

Twickenham has got one again this year, on the 6-8 August - all those who are interested are welcome. it's completely free of charge. :)

bbwannabe 25-06-2004 14:33
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are you a JW? :)

bigitup_j 25-06-2004 14:34
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yes :)

bbwannabe 25-06-2004 14:36
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you raised as a JW or were you changed to a JW because of something in your life...

bigitup_j 25-06-2004 14:39
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i was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and strongly believe that it is the truth (otherwise i wouldn't be one!)

Bex 25-06-2004 14:46
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cake's account is disturbing, but i don't agree with you bigitup_j it could well have been JW's...... maybe cake just happened to come across an over zealous couple of people, which happens in all religious groups. you can not say that all JW's will act the same way, as i wouldn't say that all Christians act the same way. to a certain degree i think even within a group people's interpretations will differ even a little bit. of the christians i know on this site, for example, i know that some of their views do differ slightly, and this is to be expected. our experiences of the world are different and to some degree our experiences of God are different.

bbwannabe 25-06-2004 14:51
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theres the casual believer and theres always a few people who are extremists in their beliefs.
@bigitup_j vbmenu_register("postmenu_242754", true);
In the previous posts theres been mention of people who are JWs opposed to transfusions.. Should you or friends and family require it, are you gonna remain firm on your beliefs?..

dilli-theclaw 25-06-2004 15:04
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Originally Posted by bigitup_j
not the religion. nothing wrong with insulin. blood is a no-no for JWs :)
Thank you - it's nice to get a reply straight from the horses mouth as it were. :)

Maggy 25-06-2004 15:05
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Look my experience with JW is NOT TO ENGAGE THEM IN ANY DISCUSSION WHAT SO EVER.To do so is to encourage them to keep coming back.Take nothing from them,don't let them in and refuse point blank to even tell them your religious beliefs.To do so is an invite to engage you in a dialogue.You cannot change their minds,they are relentless so you have to give them no lever to invade your life.

Just like door to door salesmen. ;)

Incog.

Chris 25-06-2004 15:13
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Originally Posted by bigitup_j
Here you go:

well i know a few things about this topic...
1. Jehovah is God's name, just that Christianity want to get rid of it because, well no reason really...they just do. Jehovah is within the Dead Sea scrolls, therefore that IS God's name - the Christian God.
2. In hebrew, they have no vowels and some letters can be one of two in english. y and j are the same in hebrew. jehovah has been widely accepted in english as how to translate God's name from Hebrew into English.
3. Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) do not take blood because it is a direct comment from God, not to take blood. either eating or transfusing. JW's follow God's law and commands set in the Bible. But other treatments, not involving blood are accepted. In fact, JW's have pushed for alternatives from blood transfusions, which have proved far more successful that blood transfusions †“ which has many risks!
4. There are no sects of Jehovahââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s witness, only one. You either are a JW or not, simple.
5. JW preach to people, because Jesus said to do that when he was on earth. Christians are meant to imitate Jesus, and Jesus preached about Godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s kingdom and the hope for the future †“ so JWs do the same. JWs donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t force things down your throat, they visit again and again, because people do have a change of heart and listen to their message.
6. No body knows when the world will end. Only God.
7. Only 144,000 people go to heaven. Others have the hope of living on a paradise earth in the future, where you wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be sick, and you will never die, because humans will be made perfect again †“ when God removes all wickedness.

Of course many people do not want to listen, for whatever reason, and that is fair enough. JWs only follow what the Bible says, and try to imitate Jesus.

please, ask more questions - i'll be happy to answer them for you :)
1. Christianity wants to do no such thing! There are any number of Christian hymns and songs that use the name of God (Guide me, o thou great Jehovah being perhaps the most famous). But in the same way as I rarely call my earthly father by his name, I normally prefer to use a title of respect when talking about my heavenly father.
2. Quite true. Yahweh is currently en vogue but either is fine in my book.
3. This is a ceremonial law from the old testament, and there is no obvious reason why JWs should take this one and hold to it religiously while completely ignoring a whole tranche of other old testament laws. Tell me, do you demolish your houses if they develop incurable 'leprous' mould on the walls? No, of course you don't. The correct use of the old testament is vai the revelation of the new. But seeing as JWs deny whole chunks of the new testament, it's hardly surprising they miss that point.
4. I can't comment on this.
5. As a Christian, I've done door-to-door work myself, and have had a number of good conversations with people.
6. And Charles Taze Russell, who did predict it would all be over by the end of 1914, despite later attempts by the Watchtower society to rewrite chunks of his Studies in the Scriptures and reinterpret others. The Biblical test of a false prophet: If what he says will happen, doesn't happen - then he's a fraud.
7. A bizarre misquoting of a random passage in the book of Revelation.

zoombini 25-06-2004 15:55
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Hmm, can I slam the door in your faces now please?
I want to get back to eating my tea..

Escapee 25-06-2004 15:55
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Originally Posted by bigitup_j
Jehovah's Witnesses never force things down your throat.
if you've had an experience where that is the case, then i very much doubt they were JWs. it's not something we do - we are not rude, and if people really do not want to listen, then we leave.
btw. we do not recuit (spelling?), we convey a message and if people like the message, then they can have a free Bible study and possibly become Jehovah's Witnesses.

but, we don't force beliefs onto people. we have a message and want to tell it to everyone, because we believe it and the message is good and we want to share it with everyone! :)
You may not personally force things down peoples throats, but their are jehovah members who do!

I now have no problem at all with JW, Mormons, hari krisnas or whatever they are called! Too often I have been balancing some plasterboard or in the middle of painting or mixing cement and been interrupted by some "Door to door God salesman" I would love a list of their addresses so I could start my on religion and knock on their doors when they are trying to eat their food etc.

I must admit that I find the Mormons the most annoying, they are very clever by trying to be so polite. They are salesmen full stop they could sell sand to the Arabs!

CaKe mentioned about Red hair being a sign of the devil, I know people who believe in Voodoo and they have red hair always wear an item of red clothing and wear their underpants/knickers inside-out to protect them from Voodoo spells. I guess their belief about red is a total contradiction to the religious sect that CaKe mentioned in a previous thread.

Theodoric 25-06-2004 16:05
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Look my experience with JW is NOT TO ENGAGE THEM IN ANY DISCUSSION WHAT SO EVER.
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Incog.
And this is the first, second and every other number law of dealing with people calling at the door and trying to sell you something. Give yourself a few seconds to make sure that you're not speaking to to some long-lost relative then immediately and without hesitation (and totally ignoring anything that they start to say) say the magic words, "Sorry, but I'm not interested." There's no need to be rude, just firm and totally centred on not letting them get a foot in the door. You then immediately close (not by slamming - again, no need to be impolite) the door.

Damien 25-06-2004 16:11
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My dad told me about when his dad died, he rushed back from scotland (didnt get there in time though) and when he was there about 10 minutes later a JW knocked on the door and said "have you heard the good news!" obviously the JW didnt know and my dad see the funny side.

Actually this doesnt have much to do with anything :) why did i poset this?


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