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Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

Send the SAS to take back the Tanker.

After all we know what happened during the Iranian hostage seige back in the 80's

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36003751)

Send the SAS to take back the Tanker.

After all we know what happened during the Iranian hostage seige back in the 80's

It's in a port, probably surrounded by heavy weaponry, and would take ages to power up and then slowly move off. Impossible.

And any attack on it would mean the end of the crew.

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The Iranians knew they were no match for International heavy warships, so concentrated on building thousands of fast boats that would be able to swarm attack any intruders.

I'm sure that many are fitted with H.E. charges so they could be used like kamikaze weapons.

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

I see that Hunt is calling for a European alliance. Couldn't make it up! ;)

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

Why not? Military alliances have existed between the sovereign nation states in Europe since long before the EU and will continue long after it’s a fading memory.

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003768)

Why not? Military alliances have existed between the sovereign nation states in Europe since long before the EU and will continue long after it’s a fading memory.

Threatening a no-deal Brexit then pleading for help as we downsized our navy too much is cake-and-eatism at its finest.

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

The military is entirely outside of the purview of the EU. Brexit is not a factor here and it will not become the topic of discussion in this thread.

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

The only connection to Brexit in this situation is that the government has allowed their attention to concentrate on that rather than other just as important issues like the Iran situation.So let's not make this a Brexit thread.

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

If you have a geeky bone in your body, you can see the traffic through the Straits of Hormuz here - https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...ry:26.4/zoom:9

Plenty of traffic still! In answer to a question earlier about other EU registered ships going through, I can see Greek and Cypriot tankers going through at the moment

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36003770)

Threatening a no-deal Brexit then pleading for help as we downsized our navy too much is cake-and-eatism at its finest.

1) It was implementing EU sanctions that triggered the latest set of events.
2) It's not just UK ships sailing in the area.
3) The Navy cutbacks started before 2010.
4) Any imaginary extra ships and imaginary extra crew would have been elsewhere and would have taken weeks to reach the Gulf.
5) Other countries in the EU such as France and Italy don't have a lot more ships than the UK. They probably cut back their navies as well.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003772)

The military is entirely outside of the purview of the EU. Brexit is not a factor here and it will not become the topic of discussion in this thread.

Apart from this.
Link

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The Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP) enables the Union to take a leading role in peace-keeping operations, conflict prevention and in the strengthening of the international security. It is an integral part of the EU's comprehensive approach towards crisis management, drawing on civilian and military assets.
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For the past 10 years the EU has successfully deployed a CSDP military naval operation to fight piracy off the coast of Somalia. Today the threat of piracy has been minimised. At the same time the operation was tasked with monitoring fishing activity and reporting any illegal activity. Improved security conditions now allow communities to engage in fishing activities supported by EU and UN missions and initiatives.

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This is NOT a Brexit page.

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Navy cutbacks started in the 90's after the cold war and here are the sizes of the British , Italian and French navy's below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...yal_Navy_ships

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nch_Navy_ships

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ian_Navy_ships

Re: Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003782)

Yes but if we worked together Den, we'd be more effective, Goes for a lot of things really, we are a small country about to become smaller. As long as we're wearing a Union Jack underpants everything will be ok, you'll see.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003784)

Yes but if we worked together Den, we'd be more effective, Goes for a lot of things really, we are a small country about to become smaller. As long as we're wearing a Union Jack underpants everything will be ok, you'll see.

l don't disagree with that sentiment Mr K.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003784)

I agree 100%, but we don’t have to be in a political union to work together.

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Indeed. NATO works rather well without its own body of law, Parliament or anthem. It has done far more to guarantee European peace than the EU ever will.

Bilateral arrangements are flexible and effective and I’m confident something can be put in place to protect shipping in the strait.