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sherer 28-09-2006 10:43
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surely the whole point of being the better team is that you have achieved a higher level of skill and fitness.. if you can't be fit for a reply a few days later or go into extra time them you didn't deserve to win.. remember when Stauea Bucharest won the European Cup against Barca.. they played for a 0-0 to win it on pens.. not the sort of thing the fans want to see and not a good for the globl TV audience

if a reply is a draw then have another one.. it happened in the past where teams had to play each other a few times.. the stronger team will win it in the end where as on pens the best team can end up losing.. it takes the skill out of the game

punky 28-09-2006 10:45
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Penalties make the game exciting. I have never seen a dull penaly shoot-out. Isn't that what football is supposed to be about? Excitement and entertainment?

And penalties do involve the whole team... Especially once they go into sudden death.

gazzae 28-09-2006 10:46
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125475)
Its a lottery because any player that calls himself professional can score from twelve yards out, problems arise in a match situation because even the best are effected by the crowd and the occasion, I
If that makes it a lottery then surely the whole game is a lottery? Someone gets a one on one and misses because of the crowd and occasion, how is that any different than someone missing a penalty?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125475)
wouldn't mind if the match went on until late as the fittest and most prepared would win through and if people have something better to do than watch the World Cup final because it over runs a couple of hours perhaps they should not have been there in the first place
Even if the football is terrible?

Another NHL game (good example as NHL playoff games last untill there is a winner) started at 7pm and the winner was scored at 2:25am

Ice Hockey is a fast moving sport, people said after the game that at times it looked at the players were moving in slow motion.

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The third-longest game in NHL history left players on both teams exhausted, sometimes looking like they were moving in slow motion. Penguins right winger Alexei Kovalev, for example, said his regular moves just didn't work as the game went into the wee hours. "Every move you do is not going to work, because nobody reacts to your moves anymore."

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 10:55
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125482)
If that makes it a lottery then surely the whole game is a lottery? Someone gets a one on one and misses because of the crowd and occasion, how is that any different than someone missing a penalty?
Even if the football is terrible?
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Because of the build up I have never seen someone get a one on one where they walk slowly from the half way line with every one in the stadium watching them, a tv audience of billions, the hopes of a nation and a snide goalkeeper (Bartez aside of course) trying to put them of.

Look at previous World Cups Baggio missed in a final, ordinarily you would put your house on him to score and look at 1990 Argentina played for penalties all the way through to the final, I would never want to see a team use such tactics to get to a final again, let alone be in with a chance of winning it.

gazzae 28-09-2006 10:58
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125479)
surely the whole point of being the better team is that you have achieved a higher level of skill and fitness.. if you can't be fit for a reply a few days later or go into extra time them you didn't deserve to win.. remember when Stauea Bucharest won the European Cup against Barca.. they played for a 0-0 to win it on pens.. not the sort of thing the fans want to see and not a good for the globl TV audience
Thats life, we were all over Arsenal in the FA Cup final. We weren't good/lucky enough to score they won on pens. So be it.

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125479)
if a reply is a draw then have another one.. it happened in the past where teams had to play each other a few times.. the stronger team will win it in the end where as on pens the best team can end up losing.. it takes the skill out of the game
What happens if the seasons starts and we are still replaying the World Cup final? ;)

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125492)
Because of the build up I have never seen someone get a one on one where they walk slowly from the half way line with every one in the stadium watching them, a tv audience of billions, the hopes of a nation and a snide goalkeeper (Bartez aside of course) trying to put them of.

Look at previous World Cups Baggio missed in a final, ordinarily you would put your house on him to score and look at 1990 Argentina played for penalties all the way through to the final, I would never want to see a team use such tactics to get to a final again, let alone be in with a chance of winning it.
So what you would rather have a winner scored because someone doesn't have any energy to stop it?

How that is any less of a lottery I don't know.

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 11:07
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125494)
Thats life, we were all over Arsenal in the FA Cup final. We weren't good/lucky enough to score they won on pens. So be it.



What happens if the seasons starts and we are still replaying the World Cup final? ;)

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So what you would rather have a winner scored because someone doesn't have any energy to stop it?

How that is any less of a lottery I don't know.
Because it would come down to fitness, determination, skill and will to win rather than coping with pressure, you might be happy with seeing dull matches with ten men behind the ball, everyone to scared to try anything in case it results in disaster, safe in the knowledge that they have penalties to fall back on, the goalden goal way is a lottery but imo it is a fairer way to settle things and no team will ever be accused of playing for a goalden.

sherer 28-09-2006 11:08
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125494)
Thats life, we were all over Arsenal in the FA Cup final. We weren't good/lucky enough to score they won on pens. So be it.
that shows how unfair it is.. if we had replayed the match and lost it would have been fair.. to lose on pens to a side that hadn't been as good shows the system doesn't work


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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125494)
What happens if the seasons starts and we are still replaying the World Cup final? ;)
i don't that that's very likely to happen do you ?

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125494)
So what you would rather have a winner scored because someone doesn't have any energy to stop it?

How that is any less of a lottery I don't know.
the fittest and strongest team would then win the match.. being fit and strong is all part of sport at least that would be fairer than just hitting a ball from 12 yards

punky 28-09-2006 11:10
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125475)
Its a lottery because any player that calls himself professional can score from twelve yards out, problems arise in a match situation because even the best are effected by the crowd and the occasion, I wouldn't mind if the match went on until late as the fittest and most prepared would win through and if people have something better to do than watch the World Cup final because it over runs a couple of hours perhaps they should not have been there in the first place
In domestic matches, possibly. However we are talking about World Cup matches. Playing for long periods will always favour the home team, or teams that have been aclimatised. Skill of football aside, do you honestly think England, or any European team could play 4 hours of football in Rio against Brazil or Venezuela? Therefore, that itself is even more of a lottery, as it depends on the climate of the match would clearly boast local teams.

And anyway, even for domestic matches it won't help. Fitness doesn't very much between teams in a similar league. They will tire together, meaning most willbe unable to string passes together and with a lack of running the game will develop into a snail's pace. The strikers will get weaker, but the goalkeeper won't. All this isn't conducive to a good football match.

Also are people forgetting the serious impact this can have on a footballer's health? And can players really recooperate in 4 days after playing a 4 hour match?

gazzae 28-09-2006 11:14
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125500)
Because it would come down to fitness, determination, skill and will to win rather than coping with pressure, you might be happy with seeing dull matches with ten men behind the ball, everyone to scared to try anything in case it results in disaster, safe in the knowledge that they have penalties to fall back on, the goalden goal way is a lottery but imo it is a fairer way to settle things and no team will ever be accused of playing for a goalden.
Not down to which team used its subs latest then?

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125502)
that shows how unfair it is.. if we had replayed the match and lost it would have been fair.. to lose on pens to a side that hadn't been as good shows the system doesn't work
Thats life. When beat Arsenal by cheating that wasn't very fair was it?


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i don't that that's very likely to happen do you ?
Who's to say?

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125502)
the fittest and strongest team would then win the match.. being fit and strong is all part of sport at least that would be fairer than just hitting a ball from 12 yards
The fittest and strongest team suffer two injuries in the first half. They make two subs. The weaker team don't make any subs till the 70th minute. Who is going to be fitter in extra time?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 11:19
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34125503)
In domestic matches, possibly. However we are talking about World Cup matches. Playing for long periods will always favour the home team, or teams that have been aclimatised. Skill of football aside, do you honestly think England, or any European team could play 4 hours of football in Rio against Brazil or Venezuela? Therefore, that itself is even more of a lottery, as it depends on the climate of the match would clearly boast local teams.

And anyway, even for domestic matches it won't help. Fitness doesn't very much between teams in a similar league. They will tire together, meaning most willbe unable to string passes together and with a lack of running the game will develop into a snail's pace. The strikers will get weaker, but the goalkeeper won't. All this isn't conducive to a good football match.

Also are people forgetting the serious impact this can have on a footballer's health? And can players really recooperate in 4 days after playing a 4 hour match?
Tbh I was only talking about the final so any team that reaches the final should be pretty acclimatised, imo international tournements like the World, European (and it's equivalents) Cups are to important to have the winner decided in such a way.

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125505)
Not down to which team used its subs latest then?

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The fittest and strongest team suffer two injuries in the first half. They make two subs. The weaker team don't make any subs till the 70th minute. Who is going to be fitter in extra time?
How is that any different to having a couple of decent penalty takers on the bench to bring on at the end of extra time, tbh I don't really have a problem with either, substituions are part of the game.

punky 28-09-2006 11:27
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125511)
Tbh I was only talking about the final so any team that reaches the final should be pretty acclimatised, imo international tournements like the World, European (and it's equivalents) Cups are to important to have the winner decided in such a way.
4 weeks of aclimatisation cannot compete with 30 years.

Although it isn't such an issue in European matches (although it was commented on in Germany), my other points still stand for local matches.


How is that any different to having a couple of decent penalty takers on the bench to bring on at the end of extra time, tbh I don't really have a problem with either, substituions are part of the game.[/QUOTE]

gazzae 28-09-2006 11:31
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125511)
Tbh I was only talking about the final so any team that reaches the final should be pretty acclimatised, imo international tournements like the World, European (and it's equivalents) Cups are to important to have the winner decided in such a way.

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How is that any different to having a couple of decent penalty takers on the bench to bring on at the end of extra time, tbh I don't really have a problem with either, substituions are part of the game.
Its still a lottery.

What if the best team loses the final because they had to play 300 minutes of football in the semi final whereas a poorer team only played 90?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 11:38
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125531)
Its still a lottery.

What if the best team loses the final because they had to play 300 minutes of football in the semi final whereas a poorer team only played 90?
I did say that it should only be used for the final of major competitions (World Cup European Cup African Nations etc) and I also pointed out reasons why I thought it was fairer than the current format earlier.

gazzae 28-09-2006 11:41
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125543)
I did say that it should only be used for the final of major competitions (World Cup European Cup African Nations etc) and I also pointed out reasons why I thought it was fairer than the current format earlier.
Why only the final? If its the fairest way to settle games then why not at every stage?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 11:49
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34125523)
4 weeks of aclimatisation cannot compete with 30 years.

Although it isn't such an issue in European matches (although it was commented on in Germany), my other points still stand for local matches.


How is that any different to having a couple of decent penalty takers on the bench to bring on at the end of extra time, tbh I don't really have a problem with either, substituions are part of the game.
I don't really care about domestic football with regard to this tbh, if the leagues and UAFA want to come up with something then fair play to them for trying to be innovative, for a start I am not sure how they could implement it, for instance if Liverpool had reached the European Cup final this year they would have played the FA cup final three or four days before and that could have gone on for quite a while.

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125548)
Why only the final? If its the fairest way to settle games then why not at every stage?
Because the World Cup winner is not decided at the second round stage, I am sure people will come up with all sorts of nonsense about the potential winner going out on penalties earlier in the competition but at the end of the day there is only one World Cup final and it should not be decided in this fashion, this is what we hold up as being best about the sport, what inspires youngsters to play the game and imo we devalue it by deciding it on penalties.

sherer 28-09-2006 11:49
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just to clarify i wasn't alking abut having a match last for 300 minutes.. i was talking about ending a match after ET and then replaying the match either in the next few days or the next day if possible. that would give people time to recover, maybe not as much as they would like but it would give them some time

if footballers in the 60s could do this and they weren't as fit as today's players then i'm sure we could do this now

gazzae 28-09-2006 11:53
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125549)
Because the World Cup winner is not decided at the second round stage, I am sure people will come up with all sorts of nonsense about the potential winner going out on penalties earlier in the competition but at the end of the day there is only one World Cup final and it should not be decided in this fashion, this is what we hold up as being best about the sport, what inspires youngsters to play the game and imo we devalue it by deciding it on penalties.
OK.

Punky raised a good point earlier. Goalies are going to get less tired than outfield players. Do you not think that the longer the game goes on, the chances of a goal goes down?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 11:59
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125559)
OK.

Punky raised a good point earlier. Goalies are going to get less tired than outfield players. Do you not think that the longer the game goes on, the chances of a goal goes down?
I would say that with everyone being pretty tired the chances of scoring are increased and whilst it is fair to say that the goalkeeper might not be physically tired, I would bet he is mentally and his concentration is flagging.

I think the real point here is that teams would try harder to win the match in ordinary time

gazzae 28-09-2006 12:07
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125564)
I think the real point here is that teams would try harder to win the match in ordinary time
But if pens are as big a lottery as you say then they would already?

Though, if penalties are a lottery how come the Germans are so good? Their last loss in a penalty shootout was in 1976!

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 12:25
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125576)
But if pens are as big a lottery as you say then they would already?

Yet, if penalties are a lottery how come the Germans are so good? Their last loss in a penalty shootout was in 1976!
Penalties are 50/ 50 literally, to be the best at your profession you need to be confident, almost every single player would fancy their chances from the penalty spot, which is why some people believe that if you asked a team in a final if they would take penalties the majority would say yes.

The Germans do have a remarkable record but if they were that confident why don't they play for penalties? I have seen occasions when they have been lucky to get penalties but I don't recall them ever playing for them, even when they have been in decline they don't. Sports psychologists would tell us that taking penalties is all about focusing, confidence and self belief maybe the German footballer has these qualities in abundance.

You talk of lotteries, but sport in general is a lottery, what I feel we have to do though is find a way to get the best result for the game and whilst it is impractical to do this for every game we should at least be able to do it for the sport's showpiece.

In some ways I would say that the goalden goal is more of a lottery than penalties as it could come down to a simple mistake in injury time, or to look at it another way the fear of going into extra time may inspire the players in normal time and I still think it is a better way to decide who is World Champions.

gazzae 28-09-2006 12:55
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125590)
The Germans do have a remarkable record but if they were that confident why don't they play for penalties? I have seen occasions when they have been lucky to get penalties but I don't recall them ever playing for them, even when they have been in decline they don't.
If they are good enough to win the game in 90 minutes why would they?
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125590)
Sports psychologists would tell us that taking penalties is all about focusing, confidence and self belief maybe the German footballer has these qualities in abundance.
I'm sure the Germans do.

Compare Germany with Englands record in WC and Euro Shootouts.

Germany Won 5 Lost 1
England Won 1 Lost 5

Doesn't look 50/50 to me, looks like something the Germans are good at and the English aren't

Yes I'm sure most footballers are great at pens when there is no pressure, but composure is just as important as his first touch. So why should we get rid of them just cause some players can't cope with the pressure.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125590)
You talk of lotteries, but sport in general is a lottery, what I feel we have to do though is find a way to get the best result for the game and whilst it is impractical to do this for every game we should at least be able to do it for the sport's showpiece.
I only talk of lotteries as you first brought up penalties being lotteries.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125590)
In some ways I would say that the goalden goal is more of a lottery than penalties as it could come down to a simple mistake in injury time, or to look at it another way the fear of going into extra time may inspire the players in normal time and I still think it is a better way to decide who is World Champions
Or the fear of making a mistake might make for cautious games, esp in golden goal time.

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 15:24
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125614)
If they are good enough to win the game in 90 minutes why would they?
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So why should we get rid of them just cause some players can't cope with the pressure.
I only talk of lotteries as you first brought up penalties being lotteries.

Or the fear of making a mistake might make for cautious games, esp in golden goal time.
Penalties are a lottery, the team that holds their nerve best wins and that is not what football is about, when you look in the record books it doesn't say Brazil won the 1994 World Cup it say's Brazil won the 1994 World Cup on pens, it's a sham that the pinnacal of footballing achievement is settled in such a way.

I certainly don't think teams would be cautious in normal time if they had goalden goal extra time, extra time these days is pretty much a complete waste of time, hardly anything ever happens and nobody does anything except wait for penalties.

gazzae 28-09-2006 15:37
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And neither is waiting until exhaustion gifts a team a goal.

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 15:42
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125721)
And neither is waiting until exhaustion gifts a team a goal.
That might be the case in extra time, rather than let that happen though don't you think they might actually try and win it honourably, don't forget it could just as easily be either team that 'gifts' the opposition a goal if they wait for exhaustion to set in, better to go for it.

gazzae 28-09-2006 15:48
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125723)
That might be the case in extra time, rather than let that happen though don't you think they might actually try and win it honourably, don't forget it could just as easily be either team that 'gifts' the opposition a goal if they wait for exhaustion to set in, better to go for it.
So you don't think its possible for two teams to go for it for 120 minutes and still end in a draw?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 15:52
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125728)
So you don't think its possible for two teams to go for it for 120 minutes and still end in a draw?
Not if someone scores in extra time, the match would end then.

gazzae 28-09-2006 15:52
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125732)
Not if someone scores in extra time, the match would end then.
And thats fairer because?

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 15:58
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125733)
And thats fairer because?
For a start it would mean that a team couldn't win the trophy with out having a shot on goal, like could of happened in 1990

gazzae 28-09-2006 16:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125738)
For a start it would mean that a team couldn't win the trophy with out having a shot on goal, like could of happened in 1990
You can't be advocating the end of pens because of a tounament 16 years ago? Considering things like the backpass rule have been introduced since then. It wasn't even settled on penalties (but was settled by a penalty).

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 16:21
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125744)
You can't be advocating the end of pens because of a tounament 16 years ago? Considering things like the backpass rule have been introduced since then. It wasn't even settled on penalties (but was settled by a penalty).
Nobody can dispute that is what one team were playing for though and I don't think anyone can deny that on the whole extra time at the finals have been rather drab affairs with both teams obviously content to play for penalties, tbh though we have drifted a bit the real question is do we want the competition settled this way, I for one don't.

gazzae 28-09-2006 16:32
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34125756)
I don't think anyone can deny that on the whole extra time at the finals have been rather drab affairs with both teams obviously content to play for penalties
Then the silver goal is the better idea. Teams can attack knowing even if they make a mistake and concede they still have some time to rectify it.

sherer 28-09-2006 16:33
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surelt it would be better to have a replay 3 or 4 days which is the same gap between games during a WC anyway and if that ends in a draw after ET then have pens... it's better than just going to pens

in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin

danielf 28-09-2006 16:37
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125772)
surelt it would be better to have a replay 3 or 4 days which is the same gap between games during a WC anyway and if that ends in a draw after ET then have pens... it's better than just going to pens

in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin
I don't see that working with the tight schedule you have during a tournament. It might work for the final, but personally, I think that needs to be decided on the day. When you sit down for the match, I like to know the World Champion will be crowned that night. Not a few days later (potentially)

sherer 28-09-2006 16:46
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34125775)
I don't see that working with the tight schedule you have during a tournament. It might work for the final, but personally, I think that needs to be decided on the day. When you sit down for the match, I like to know the World Champion will be crowned that night. Not a few days later (potentially)

in 66 there was a replay scheduled for Upton Park a few days later. there was even a programme already made just in case.. as has been the case for a long time until pens came in.. surely they could just say in the rules if no winner is decided then there will be a replay a few days later

ok it would be difficult for some of the other matches during the second round onwards

gazzae 28-09-2006 16:51
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Anyway, Blatter has changed his tune a bit. It wasn't that long ago he was suggesting that ALL games which end drawn should be settled by a shootout.

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125772)
in the old days some matches were won on the toss of a coin
Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.

danielf 28-09-2006 16:52
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34125783)
in 66 there was a replay scheduled for Upton Park a few days later. there was even a programme already made just in case.. as has been the case for a long time until pens came in.. surely they could just say in the rules if no winner is decided then there will be a replay a few days later

ok it would be difficult for some of the other matches during the second round onwards
Fair enough, but then again, there weren't x billion people across the globe watching the match on telly. Plus all the corporate hospitality etc. I think the stakes are so high (commercially as well as logistically), that a replay may not be feasible anymore.

sherer 28-09-2006 16:53
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125785)
Anyway, Blatter has changed his tune a bit. It wasn't that long ago he was suggesting that ALL games which end drawn should be settled by a shootout.

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Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.
lol

maybe a game of connect 4 instead

believe me it did used to happen.. have to see if i can find some examples

just realised we must be the only ones that take any notice of Blatter i'm sure FIFA won't even look into this.. unless they realised a replay would give them more revenue from an extra match on TV and extra ticket and programme sales it won't happen

TheDaddy 28-09-2006 16:53
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125771)
Then the silver goal is the better idea. Teams can attack knowing even if they make a mistake and concede they still have some time to rectify it.
I'd go along with that, in fact I go along with anything reasonably sensible to resolve the match rather than penalties. I am not sure about Blatter's idea of reducing the numbers of players though seems to me that will cause a lot of confusion.

I have posted this idea before, it's a shame I can't remember where I heard it, basically drawn games are decided on how many times the goalkeepers touch the ball (obviously excluding goal kicks, free kicks etc), this would encourage attacking football and discourage back passes also it has the added benefit of giving the fourth referee a job, I am not sure it would be a good idea for a World Cup final but perhaps it's worth looking at, the only downside being if you have Graham Poll as fourth ref ;)

danielf 28-09-2006 16:54
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34125785)
Got it!

If the match is drawn after 120 Minutes, both captains into the centre circle, best of three scissor, paper, stone.
How about: If goals have been scored, then the one that scored first wins. Or: a panel of judges decides which goal was best, and awards the trophy to the team that scored it? :)

gazzae 29-09-2006 12:53
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Quote:
WENGER WORRIED BY FOREIGN OWNERS

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger admits he is concerned by the increasing trend of foreign ownership in Premiership clubs.

The Frenchman put out a first XI in the Champions League on Wednesday with only one British player in the line-up.

He said: "This trend [for foreign ownership] does worry me. Generally you want the clubs to be in control of their own destiny. If you suddenly have 20 foreign investors who buy 20 English clubs you are in danger.

"The manager is foreign, the players are foreign, you need to draw a line. England doesn't control it any more."

He added in Arsenal's magazine, reproduced in the Daily Mirror: "I feel the soul of football in this country is first granted by the owners of the clubs. Here, for example, at Arsenal I feel I am really at an English club.

"Traditionally the people who owned the clubs were first and foremost supporters. If that ceases to be the case then the clubs lose something."

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...549952,00.html
So there you have it. It doesn't matter if you only have one or two English players in your whole first team squad as long as you're owned by somebody English. :rolleyes:

Hugh 29-09-2006 13:01
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34125794)
How about: If goals have been scored, then the one that scored first wins. Or: a panel of judges decides which goal was best, and awards the trophy to the team that scored it? :)
Soft southerners; Glaswegian solution - Last man standing - if it's a draw, the two teams batter each other until "there can be only one" ;)

Bet it would get great viewing figures, though recovering for the next match might be problematic, since the big jessies get groin strain just by lifting their wallets.

TheDaddy 29-09-2006 13:06
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34126335)
So there you have it. It doesn't matter if you only have one or two English players in your whole first team squad as long as your owned by somebody English. :rolleyes:
I think he has got a point the people trying to buy my club have little or no interest in the club, they are interested in making money, how they actually set about doing it will be interesting whether it's by getting success or as a seller/ trader of talent.

Whilst imo it is a shame that first team squads are no longer representative of the fans, I don't think it really matters these days when they get paid so much cash, how can you identify with a player when they earn £100 000 a week regardless of their nationality. The days of players staying with their hometown club all their careers and staying on as a coach are long gone.

Saaf_laandon_mo 29-09-2006 13:50
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34126338)
I think he has got a point the people trying to buy my club have little or no interest in the club, they are interested in making money, how they actually set about doing it will be interesting whether it's by getting success or as a seller/ trader of talent.
Wouldn't be the case wether the owner is English or foreign. I think Wenger was having a pop at Chelsea, but I'm not convinced one of the richest men in the world has bought it just to make money. In my opinion Abrovanich has bought a club and is going all out to make it one of the most succesful (throphy wise) in Europe, I don't think the money matters (he certainly doesn't need it), its more ego related. I'm certainly not complaining, and worried about the fact that the owner's not english.

TheDaddy 29-09-2006 14:05
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34126358)
Wouldn't be the case wether the owner is English or foreign. I think Wenger was having a pop at Chelsea, but I'm not convinced one of the richest men in the world has bought it just to make money. In my opinion Abrovanich has bought a club and is going all out to make it one of the most succesful (throphy wise) in Europe, I don't think the money matters (he certainly doesn't need it), its more ego related. I'm certainly not complaining, and worried about the fact that the owner's not english.
That's not how I read it, Abramervich has been involved for a few years and his intentions are obvious, the consortium trying to buy West Ham are money men from all over the world, they have no interest in football in fact one of the Israeli's associates is quoted as saying 'he wouldn't know the difference between West Ham and West Brom', the problem with foreigners owning clubs is that it is hard for the fans to make their voices heard Malcolm Glazzer has still not been to Manchester so how would he know just how much the fans were against him. Alexander Gadaymac at Portsmouth has been accused of using his farther's ill gotten gains at Portsmouth, he disputes the accusations but who knows if they are justified. He may have also been talking of the Aston Villa takeover, however what isn't widely reported is the fact that Randy watched Villa several times in the 1980's and IIRC actually lived in Birmingham as well.

yesman 30-09-2006 17:54
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
The U's manage their first way win of the season :)

Mal 30-09-2006 20:43
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Blue moon, you started singing too soon... ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC Sport
Manchester City's Joey Barton could face disciplinary action after exposing his backside to Everton fans at the end of the 1-1 draw at Goodison Park.

TheDaddy 30-09-2006 20:54
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34127228)
Blue moon, you started singing too soon... ;)
I'd like to say that I am surprised but that boy really is a prat :td:

Mal 30-09-2006 21:00
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34127232)
I'd like to say that I am surprised but that boy really is a prat :td:
Don't you mean that he is an a...? ;)

Russ 01-10-2006 17:09
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
W00t! Back to the top of the Premiership again :D

nffc 01-10-2006 21:02
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Join the "top of the league" club if you wanna :D

(warsaw fans also welcome as are any more man u and forest fans but no cardiff fans allowed because english clubs only)

yesman 05-10-2006 00:00
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
What is going on at West Ham ?

The signing of a couple of high profile players, plus speculation of a takeover, then linked with a takeover from a former bidder, then..... down the table we go.

Quote:
The players came from Brazilian club Corinthians, who are in part owned by investment company MSI, who have previously been linked with a takeover of West Ham.
Something smells.

---------- Post added at 00:00 ---------- Previous post was yesterday at 23:21 ----------

I predict that Arsenal will win the Champions League trophy in the next couple of seasons, don't ask me how I know :D

TheDaddy 05-10-2006 10:45
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34129768)
What is going on at West Ham ?

The signing of a couple of high profile players, plus speculation of a takeover, then linked with a takeover from a former bidder, then..... down the table we go.

Something smells.

---------- Post added at 00:00 ---------- Previous post was yesterday at 23:21 ----------

I predict that Arsenal will win the Champions League trophy in the next couple of seasons, don't ask me how I know :D
That Joorabja (?) has left Corinthians with an 18 million debt apparently accrued in a season! what a businessman :td:

Apparently Tevez is going to be sold in January to Valencia and apparently we are keeping 10 million of the transfer fee.

A lot of people got upset when we signed them, look at Bobby Zamora, the leagues top scorer until they arrived, he was on fire putting them in with his thigh, backside etc. also Arsenal bid for Reo Coker on the strength of us signing Macherano so that unsettled him but the real reason imo is that we have missed Dean Ashton more than expected.

The best thing for the club is to let the Argentines go and tell the Iranian and his chums to sod off we don't need them, we need the board to be strong and it's possible they will, as what not many people know is we still have members of the Cairns family on the board, their fore fathers started the club as Thames Iron Works.

TheBlueRaja 05-10-2006 12:11
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34125794)
How about: If goals have been scored, then the one that scored first wins. Or: a panel of judges decides which goal was best, and awards the trophy to the team that scored it? :)
I heard a cracking suggestion about this the other day, have the penalties taken BEFORE the match starts, that way the teams know that after 120 mins what the outcome will be.

Would make for some real gung ho stuff in the last part of the match.

TheDaddy 05-10-2006 12:12
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34130047)
I heard a cracking suggestion about this the other day, have the penalties taken BEFORE the match starts, that way the teams know that after 120 mins what the outcome will be.

Would make for some real gung ho stuff in the last part of the match.
Why bother playing the match at all, just take the penalties and then go home

pedantic 05-10-2006 14:41
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34130050)
Why bother playing the match at all, just take the penalties and then go home
No thanks ! The Germans would win all the time. :erm:

TheDaddy 05-10-2006 14:43
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34130189)
No thanks ! The Germans would win all the time. :erm:
Good point, we'd be right down the bottom of the rankings with Scotland if we did that as well :)

pedantic 05-10-2006 15:05
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34130192)
Good point, we'd be right down the bottom of the rankings with Scotland if we did that as well :)
Well..........maybe not quite that far down. :PP: :angel:

yesman 05-10-2006 22:27
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34129962)
The best thing for the club is to let the Argentines go and tell the Iranian and his chums to sod off we don't need them, we need the board to be strong and it's possible they will, as what not many people know is we still have members of the Cairns family on the board, their fore fathers started the club as Thames Iron Works.
Hopefully that will happen. Someone else agrees with you also :tu:

Do you think Pardew will leave with this uncertainty going on ?
He has said that he wouldn't, but I wouldn't blame him if he did.

gazzae 06-10-2006 11:42
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Time to be very childish...

Quote:
DON'T GET YOUR COCKS OUT AT HAMPDEN

FRENCH football fans were last night warned - don't take your cock out at Hampden.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...name_page.html
:D

pedantic 06-10-2006 15:47
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
OOOooooo Matron ! :D

TheBlueRaja 06-10-2006 15:54
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34130850)
Time to be very childish...



:D
Looking forward to this game, got my kilt ready and my ticket in the sporran!

No doubt we'll get stuffed, but the chance to see Henry play will make up for it. Its dosent hurt so much to get done in by the World Cup Finalists...

On the other hand, if by some miracle (and that it would be) we did manage to scrape a win (for it would be a scrape) - actually - forget it - aint gonna happen. :p:

Come on Macedonia!

pedantic 06-10-2006 15:57
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131205)
Come on Macedonia!
Still bitter and twisted I see. :rolleyes:

TheBlueRaja 06-10-2006 15:58
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34131208)
Still bitter and twisted I see. :rolleyes:
If bitter + twisted = wants England to get stuffed then yes, i suppose i am...

3 mins by the way - impressive!

pedantic 06-10-2006 15:59
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131211)
If bitter + twisted = wants England to get stuffed then yes, i suppose i am...

3 mins by the way - impressive!
Am always impressive, thanks for noticing. ;)

TheBlueRaja 06-10-2006 16:02
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
I only took 1 though... :D

pedantic 06-10-2006 16:08
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131218)
I only took 1 though... :D
As did I to yours............sigh ! some people. :rolleyes:

Personally I hope the jocks get through, why just let the English enjoy your humiliation in the qualifiers, when hundreds of millions can do likewise in the finals. :D

TheBlueRaja 06-10-2006 18:36
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34131226)
As did I to yours............sigh ! some people. :rolleyes:

Personally I hope the jocks get through, why just let the English enjoy your humiliation in the qualifiers, when hundreds of millions can do likewise in the finals. :D
You mean, just like the rest of the UK laughed at England when they got humped out the World Cup, you know, that big tournament you were going to win...

Hey, at least you made it through though right, as you say - brilliant entertainment - i don't know how many beers i laughed into, especially when my prediction came true, which if your interested is well documented in another thread somewhere around here.

I can dig it up if you like.

TheDaddy 06-10-2006 18:43
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
You know we are ranked fourth in the world now, above the winners of the World Cup :p:

pedantic 06-10-2006 18:59
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131336)
You mean, just like the rest of the UK laughed at England when they got humped out the World Cup, you know, that big tournament you were going to win...
Well, as you're digging around, maybe you can point out exactly which of my posts said England were going to win the world cup ?.............


Thought not ! ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131336)
Hey, at least you made it through though right, as you say - brilliant entertainment - i don't know how many beers i laughed into, especially when my prediction came true, which if your interested is well documented in another thread somewhere around here.
Oh please, not another stereotypical beer swilling scotsman. I suppose you have bright ginger hair, and matching bushy beard too. And quite possibly, swinging a claymore above your head, while producing steam from your ears.


Your posts beggar belief sometimes, I thought those kind of opinions were left back in the 1970's.

TheDaddy 06-10-2006 19:10
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What like this chap :D :p:

pedantic 06-10-2006 19:18
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34131357)
What like this chap :D :p:
:LOL: I was thinking more of the one in blackadder, but that's a fine effort. :D

TheDaddy 06-10-2006 19:33
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Well they are similar the only difference is instead of swinging a claymore he is swigging a special brew :)

TheBlueRaja 07-10-2006 11:57
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34131351)
Oh please, not another stereotypical beer swilling scotsman. I suppose you have bright ginger hair, and matching bushy beard too. And quite possibly, swinging a claymore above your head, while producing steam from your ears.


Your posts beggar belief sometimes, I thought those kind of opinions were left back in the 1970's.
So let me get this straight, first you say im a "stereotypical beer swilling scotsman", then comment that "I suppose you have bright ginger hair, and matching bushy beard too. And quite possibly, swinging a claymore above your head, while producing steam from your ears."

Followed by "Your posts beggar belief sometimes, I thought those kind of opinions were left back in the 1970's."

Your comments, your words, your opinions - so who's left in the 1970's?

What a :monkey:

pedantic 07-10-2006 12:07
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34131729)
So let me get this straight, first you say im a "stereotypical beer swilling scotsman", then comment that "I suppose you have bright ginger hair, and matching bushy beard too. And quite possibly, swinging a claymore above your head, while producing steam from your ears."

Followed by "Your posts beggar belief sometimes, I thought those kind of opinions were left back in the 1970's."

Your comments, your words, your opinions - so who's left in the 1970's?

What a :monkey:
Owned ! :rofl:

TheBlueRaja 07-10-2006 12:16
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34131738)
Owned ! :rofl:
:shrug: If you say so...

iadom 07-10-2006 17:17
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Decisions. decisions, I don't know if I should put my England supporters hat on whilst gloating over the Walse v Slovakia result 1-5 :D or put my Oldham Athletic shirt on for a crafty smirk at the Forest v Scunthorpe Utd result 0-4.:LOL: "Come on you Irons". :p:


PS. Can you name two ex Scunthorpe Utd FC players who were also former England captains?

homealone 07-10-2006 17:32
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34131855)
Decisions. decisions, I don't know if I should put my England supporters hat on whilst gloating over the Walse v Slovakia result 1-5 :D or put my Oldham Athletic shirt on for a crafty smirk at the Forest v Scunthorpe Utd result 0-4.:LOL: "Come on you Irons". :p:


PS. Can you name two ex Scunthorpe Utd FC players who were also former England captains?
afaik there were actually three

Kevin Keegan, Ray Clemence & Ian Botham! ;)

iadom 07-10-2006 17:52
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Hi Gaz, forgot Clemence, but you got the trick one,:tu: :cool:

Jim.

Russ 07-10-2006 17:53
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34131855)
Decisions. decisions, I don't know if I should put my England supporters hat on whilst gloating over the Walse v Slovakia result 1-5
Now why would you want to do that? Are you that twisted and bitter that you can't cheer on a fellow home nations?

That's what we get told anyway :D

Toshack - numpty.

iadom 07-10-2006 18:33
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ D (Post 34131885)
Now why would you want to do that? Are you that twisted and bitter that you can't cheer on a fellow home nations?

That's what we get told anyway :D

Toshack - numpty.

No problem, England are playing total carp [sic] come on you Jocks, one nil up against the Frogs.:cool:

yesman 07-10-2006 22:24
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Euro 2008 qualifiers

Wales - Missed Giggs and another nine like him, I felt sorry for Bellamy who was made captain today. (Wales 1 - Slovakia 5)

ROI - A few regular players out of the side, but it was only Cyprus after all (Cyprus 5 ROI 2)

Northern Ireland - A good result against Denmark even though they were up against a constant attacking Denmark side most of the time. (Denmark 0 - NI 0)

England - The only person to come out of the game with any credit was Crouch, Downing is out of his depth, Gerrard is overrated, Lampard is continually ineffective, in fact, the whole team were not playing as a unit. Beckham may have made a difference. (England 0 - Macedonia 0)

Scotland - Fantastic result against the French, which is a big scalp. Hogmany will have nothing on this, nice to see Scotland back in the frame so to speak (Scotland 1 France 0)

Hugh 07-10-2006 22:38
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34131855)
PS. Can you name two ex Scunthorpe Utd FC players who were also former England captains?
Quote:
Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34131862)
afaik there were actually three - Kevin Keegan, Ray Clemence & Ian Botham! ;)
and my bro Jim was goalkeeper for Scunny in 67 and 74 :D

TheBlueRaja 08-10-2006 12:58
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34131738)
Owned ! :rofl:
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WHEN YOU HEAR THE NOISE OF THE TARTAN ARMY BOYS
WE'LL BE COMING ROUND THE ROAD
WE'LL BE COMING
WE'LL BE COMING
WE'LL BE COMING ROUND THE ROAD
WHEN YOU HEAR THE NOISE OF THE TARTAN ARMY BOYS
WE'LL BE COMING ROUND THE ROAD

http://www2.mercer.edu/NR/rdonlyres/...tland-flag.gif

Check this out though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fGCsItMlq4

The cheering went on like that for about another 20 minutes - best atmosphere i think i've ever experienced at a game.

What a day out!

pedantic 08-10-2006 16:59
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34132329)
Check this out though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fGCsItMlq4

The cheering went on like that for about another 20 minutes - best atmosphere i think i've ever experienced at a game.

What a day out!
Well, I'm overjoyed you had such a great day.

No England jibes today ? I am surprised. ;)

Indeed a great result for the jocks, but.........

France had three times more of the ball, twice as many shots on target, and twice as many corners.............

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask. :disturbd:

TheDaddy 08-10-2006 17:03
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Not to mention all those crooked ball boys

TheBlueRaja 09-10-2006 10:11
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34132493)
Well, I'm overjoyed you had such a great day.

No England jibes today ? I am surprised. ;)

Indeed a great result for the jocks, but.........

France had three times more of the ball, twice as many shots on target, and twice as many corners.............

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask. :disturbd:
Its not how you play they remember... :p:


Not me i hasten to add.

iadom 10-10-2006 21:49
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
England v Germany U21 second leg in Germany was a cracker, England 1-0 up from the home leg. A German player sent off in the first ten minutes, half the England side booked before half time ( ref was a plonker ). Germans missed a penalty in first half, In case you missed that, THE GERMANS MISSED A PENALTY in the first half. All the Germans playing to the Klinsmann manual, dive,dive,dive.:rolleyes: Second half more bookings and one England player sent off. England under the cosh for most of second half, Theo Walcott comes on as sub and scores two great goals to silence the Krauts, wonderful entertainment, pity we have the seniors to look forward to tomorrow. :(

Russ 11-10-2006 19:39
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
No-one going to mention the England game then? :Sprint:

Marge 11-10-2006 19:44
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
We won't mention the England game if you don't mention the Welsh result from Saturday oops:

Russ 11-10-2006 19:45
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marge (Post 34134991)
We won't mention the England game if you don't mention the Welsh result from Saturday oops:
We already did that -but we're talking about tonight, not last week...

lauzjp 11-10-2006 19:49
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
why does poor Shaun W-P only ever get 15 minutes? why is there a rather injured looking Ashley Cole still hobbling around? who on earth thought that formation would work? :wtf:

Russ 11-10-2006 20:54
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
W00t! :D

DocDutch 11-10-2006 21:12
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
excellent result England :) :P :walk::dig:

Russ 11-10-2006 21:54
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
W0000000000t!! :D

---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:40 ----------

Reeee-zult :)

nffc 11-10-2006 22:15
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ D (Post 34134985)
No-one going to mention the England game then? :Sprint:
When your 2nd team lose to your 1st (yes I know), and you're born in the counrty of your 2nd team and live there, then you wanna be quiet... I have more croatia shirts than england ones. England are **** anyway.

DocDutch 11-10-2006 22:16
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
at the rate England is going its not looking gooood....even Wales has more chance to get into the Euro Cup with their nicely won game against Cyprus.

nffc 11-10-2006 22:47
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Cyprus are wack though.

pedantic 11-10-2006 23:14
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
In 1 word.............erm............better be careful here..........


CRAP ! :disturbd:

lauzjp 12-10-2006 05:31
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
it was dire... :redcard:

well done to Wales though :tu: - showing how it should be done.

when Steve McClaren first took over, he was all like 'well sven was into structure and keeping the boys in their positions, i'm going to let them have a free-er run' - now look at the mess they're in. how many days training together do the england team get? the legends in the sky match game looked better than the current england team! even the under 21's looked better (how come there are people who are over 21 playing in those teams?!) - Theo Walcott :clap: seems to have the anger of Rooney when he started, something like 'SEE, you should've picked me you ********!' I spent the whole of the world cup yelling 'pick Theo!' at the tv... :shrug:

TheDaddy 12-10-2006 08:18
Re: Football Talk 2006/2007 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lauzjp (Post 34135178)
when Steve McClaren first took over, he was all like 'well sven was into structure and keeping the boys in their positions, i'm going to let them have a free-er run' - now look at the mess they're in. how many days training together do the england team get? the legends in the sky match game looked better than the current england team! even the under 21's looked better (how come there are people who are over 21 playing in those teams?!) - Theo Walcott :clap: seems to have the anger of Rooney when he started, something like 'SEE, you should've picked me you ********!' I spent the whole of the world cup yelling 'pick Theo!' at the tv... :shrug:
People should remember that Croatia have never been beaten at home and their second goal was a freakish nonsense.

You have to be under 21 at the start of the qualifying competition to be eligible for the under 21's ;)


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