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Sephiroth 10-06-2025 14:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36197844)
Farage was in Port Talbot yesterday fooling people in to thinking Reform would reopen the closed parts of the steelworks and get the coal mines open again. And yep some valleys people are thick enough to believe him.

I wish I’d known he was coming, I’d have saved up several bags of shit to throw.
I believe you.

papa smurf 10-06-2025 15:10
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197845)
I believe you.
it's easily come by when you're full of the stuff;)

Russ 10-06-2025 15:46
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Oooooo, harsh!

Sephiroth 10-06-2025 15:55
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Not harsh at all. Your abhorrence of Reform & the Tories matches perfectly your remarks.

The UK needs prime steel and Port Talbot can produce this. Wales has coal that can fuel the furnace. Importing Australian and Japanese coal is ridiculous.

If we are to improve economic growth and self sufficiency in steel, then we have to do what Reform have said they would do.

Russ 10-06-2025 16:03
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197851)
Not harsh at all. Your abhorrence of Reform & the Tories matches perfectly your remarks.
:rofl:

Your lot have earned my “abhorrence” and Reform are just spouting anything they think people will agree with.

As is his duty, Farage has totally ignored the cost of all this.

Chris 10-06-2025 16:10
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197851)
Not harsh at all. Your abhorrence of Reform & the Tories matches perfectly your remarks.

The UK needs prime steel and Port Talbot can produce this. Wales has coal that can fuel the furnace. Importing Australian and Japanese coal is ridiculous.

If we are to improve economic growth and self sufficiency in steel, then we have to do what Reform have said they would do.
The most efficient way of producing our own coking coal lies in Cumbria, at Woodhouse, which has already been considered and rejected (albeit on a technicality). But wherever one might dig a new mine, it would not be the mass employer that the mines of old once were.

Farage is not making a serious proposal. He is trying to tug the heart strings of communities with deep memories of life revolving around the mines. If you’re simping for him on this, you’re a fool.

Russ 10-06-2025 16:23
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36197853)

Farage is not making a serious proposal. He is trying to tug the heart strings of communities with deep memories of life revolving around the mines.
The worrying thing is many people up in the valleys are falling for it. The “boyo” mentality lives strong for a lot of them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36197853)
If you’re simping for him on this, you’re a fool.
And clearly isn’t alone.

1andrew1 10-06-2025 17:27
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Reform cleverly endorsing swift bricks which Labour blocked in fear of Reform using it against them.
Quote:
“The hypocrisy is just staggering,” said Bourne-Taylor [campaigner]. “I’ve heard that No 10 and Angela Rayner are worried of doing anything that’s deemed woke, and nature is in that bracket. They’re terrified about Reform and Trump. And so they don’t want to do swift bricks because it sounds a bit lefty. But nature has absolutely no business being woke or anti-woke. That’s a big problem.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ears-of-reform

Quote:
Reform UK backs plan to put swift bricks in every new home in England
Party joins MPs across political spectrum in supporting bird conservation amendment similar to one blocked by Labour
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...onmental-lawst

Itshim 10-06-2025 17:35
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Listen to world at one new chair of reform was on. Asked questions and he answered them . Sure made a change

Sephiroth 10-06-2025 18:03
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36197854)
The worrying thing is many people up in the valleys are falling for it. The “boyo” mentality lives strong for a lot of them.



And clearly isn’t alone.
Trouble is, you don’t have any suggestions for improving Wales’ lot.

papa smurf 10-06-2025 18:25
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197860)
Trouble is, you don’t have any suggestions for improving Wales’ lot.
He could leave :)

1andrew1 10-06-2025 18:50
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
In contrast to the financially thriving but electorally poor Conservative Party, Reform is struggling to get the donations in. I understand deputy chair Richard Tice has been its biggest funder of late.
Quote:
Senior figures in Reform UK have grown frustrated with party treasurer Nick Candy, saying big donations have failed to materialise — including his own “seven figure” pledge — even as the party has soared in opinion polls.

Candy, whose job it is to fundraise for Nigel Farage’s populist party, has repeatedly claimed publicly that he will bring in tens of millions of pounds in donations for Reform, and that wealthy businesspeople are on the cusp of giving large donations.

However, two senior Reform figures have told the Financial Times that concerns have grown in the party that the money flowing in does not match Candy’s rhetoric, and that his public boasts may in fact be deterring would-be donors.

“There is significant disquiet around the party generally that he has not only failed to deliver on the amount he pledged to give the party personally, but also he’s talked about these tens of millions of pounds of pledges from other donors and they don’t materialise,” the person said. “He has been all talk and no trousers.”
https://www.ft.com/content/dcbcf532-...1-9a3e4f72d7c3

Paul 10-06-2025 19:00
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36197857)
Reform cleverly endorsing swift bricks which Labour blocked in fear of Reform using it against them.
Swift Bricks :confused:

1andrew1 10-06-2025 19:09
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36197864)
Swift Bricks :confused:
Quote:
a ‘swift brick’ is a brick that sits flush to the wall, with a hole in it, providing nesting habitat for eight species of small urban birds.
https://www.wildlifetrusts.org/blog/...ome-their-home

Previous holes in houses that some species of bird live in are are being blocked up through insulation and repairs. Birds who depend on such cavities are in sharp decline, including swifts and house sparrows.

Russ 10-06-2025 20:50
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197860)
Trouble is, you don’t have any suggestions for improving Wales’ lot.
I’m not a politician so I wouldn’t, and neither do you. I’ve always said I don’t vote for who I think is the best party, instead who I think would be the least worst.

And that’s why I’ll regrow my hair before I vote Reform.

Russ 10-06-2025 20:53
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Anyway, as if anyone needed evidence how Farage will BS about anything and hitch his wagon to any cause….

Sephiroth 10-06-2025 20:55
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36197870)
I’m not a politician so I wouldn’t, and neither do you. I’ve always said I don’t vote for who I think is the best party, instead who I think would be the least worst.

And that’s why I’ll regrow my hair before I vote Reform.
Then where's the value in anything you have to say? Any citizen should be able to understand what could make the local economy grow. It's the politicians who have no idea.

Then there's your ridiculous notion that you'll vote for the least worst party without knowing whether or not the can improve Wales' lot.

At least Reform are putting something forward and thus might even be "least worst".

Russ 10-06-2025 20:58
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So if you don’t have a solution then you’re to keep your opinions quiet? Wow, spectacular stuff.

Tell you what. Come and actually live here in Wales for a bit. Experience life under a Welsh government. Once done then maybe you’ll have a more informed opinion about what’s “best for Wales”.

Sephiroth 10-06-2025 21:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Your usual avoidance of offering a solution. You don't need to live in Wales to know the dire situation it is in. Reform's intention to improve the economy by making prime steel using local fuel is a no brainer. It'll just need execution, which is the difficult bit for politicians to achieve.

But you'll vote for the "least worst".

jem 10-06-2025 21:11
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36197874)
So if you don’t have a solution then you’re to keep your opinions quiet? Wow, spectacular stuff.

Tell you what. Come and actually live here in Wales for a bit. Experience life under a Welsh government. Once done then maybe you’ll have a more informed opinion about what’s “best for Wales”.
Russ, I’m not Welsh, I live in London, I’ve visited Wales twice, beautiful country and really nice people. So I can’t really comment on much, not being in possession of ‘facts’.

But please, as I genuinely want to know, what are the issues you have? What do you think that your (devolved) assembly has done wrong, what do you think is (a) solution?

Russ 10-06-2025 21:15
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197876)
But you'll vote for the "least worst".
Finally you get it. Got it in one.

1andrew1 10-06-2025 23:14
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36197871)
Anyway, as if anyone needed evidence how Farage will BS about anything and hitch his wagon to any cause….
At least with Starmer and Badenoch you know roughly what you're getting as there's beliefs of sorts behind it. With Farage it's just whichever way the wind is blowing that day.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197876)
Your usual avoidance of offering a solution. You don't need to live in Wales to know the dire situation it is in. Reform's intention to improve the economy by making prime steel using local fuel is a no brainer. It'll just need execution, which is the difficult bit for politicians to achieve.

But you'll vote for the "least worst".
I'm afraid Thatcher was right, Seph. We need to focus on growing industries and service where we enjoy a competitive advantage. Replicating 1970s Labour by propping up old industries to win votes doesn't get us closer to Swiss standards of wealth but closer to Albanian ones.

Of course, there may be a strategic necessity to maintain some industries but that's another argument.

Improving the transport in Wales would be a better use of funds.

Sephiroth 10-06-2025 23:40
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Always good to improve transport. But what will that achueve unless wealth producing businesses are there to benefit from said transpirt. Prime steel is needed for our defence industries, car industries, ship building, etc.

Maggy 11-06-2025 08:17
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I hate having to vote these days because I have yet to find a political party that I actually fully trust to support and vote for.

papa smurf 11-06-2025 08:23
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36197901)
I hate having to vote these days because I have yet to find a political party that I actually fully trust to support and vote for.
That can't be a new thing can it, politicians have never been trustworthy

Sephiroth 11-06-2025 08:25
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36197901)
I hate having to vote these days because I have yet to find a political party that I actually fully trust to support and vote for.
Although we might have different perspectives, you're right. I support the Tories (being a member - still); Labour & Lib-Dems are too leftie for me; Reform have the right ideas but there is little confidence of delivery; the Tories have a lot to prove and will find it very difficult.

For the country, schmitt & creek hardly touch the sides.

1andrew1 11-06-2025 08:33
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36197903)
Although we might have different perspectives, you're right. I support the Tories (being a member - still); Labour & Lib-Dems are too leftie for me; Reform have the right ideas but there is little confidence of delivery; the Tories have a lot to prove and will find it very difficult.

For the country, schmitt & creek hardly touch the sides.
And despite all of this, we're still the best growing in the G7. Are we in danger of talking down our country?

papa smurf 11-06-2025 08:37
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36197906)
And despite all of this, we're still the best growing in the G7. Are we in danger of talking down our country?
only because all the other forecasts have been downgraded a smidgen more than ours ,don't worry though we'll win the race to the bottom

Sephiroth 11-06-2025 09:16
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36197906)
And despite all of this, we're still the best growing in the G7. Are we in danger of talking down our country?
Fair point. I've said in the past that Business takes care of such matters as growth. Business will do what it takes to saty in buisiness.

But unemployment is part of the equation, being one of the business checks/balances to maintain so-called growth.

Hugh 26-06-2025 08:49
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93knke95peo

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The recently elected leader of Warwickshire County Council has resigned, leaving his 18-year-old deputy in charge.

Reform UK councillor Rob Howard released a short statement in which he said he had made the decision with "much regret".

Howard was elected in May, when Reform made unprecedented gains in the local elections, becoming the largest party in Warwickshire and forming a minority administration.

The outgoing leader cited his health as the reason for his decision, adding: "The role of leader is an extremely demanding role and regretfully my health challenges now prevent me from carrying out the role to the level and standard that I would wish."

He also confirmed that his current deputy, George Finch, would serve as interim leader until the council confirmed a new leader in due course.
Also, Rob Howard doesn’t seem to be much of a planner….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74nrrzw8r9o

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The new leader was on holiday when he was appointed, prompting members of the Green Party on the council to label him the "absent leader" during the full council meeting where he was voted in.

Howard said he would "accept the criticism" but added: "I think a lot of people think I just deliberately booked the holiday just so I could keep out the limelight, but no. "It was a holiday I booked before Christmas, which, at the time, I didn't know the significance of the dates in May."

Howard also said he had been assured by council officers that the authority could operate without him being present and that he had actually ended up spending about half his time on holiday dealing with council business.

denphone 26-06-2025 09:40
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36197901)
I hate having to vote these days because I have yet to find a political party that I actually fully trust to support and vote for.
That is how l feel nowadays sadly.

Russ 26-06-2025 10:10
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198513)
I wonder what the real scandal behind this is.

1andrew1 07-07-2025 15:01
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Reform UK MP James McMurdock comes out fighting after self-suspension - as rivals gloat

Mr McMurdock strongly insists his business dealings were always lawful, compliant and checked by relevant authorities. But that hasn't stopped rival parties from revelling in the "chaos", as the number of Reform MPs drops from five to four.

The Sunday Times claims he took out £70,000 of loans during the pandemic under a government Bounce Back scheme through two companies he owned.

The paper claims one had no employees and neither filed accounts, a violation of the Companies Act, and he failed to declare one of the directorships in the MPs' register of interests.

This is not the first controversy for Mr McMurdock, whose 39th birthday was last Saturday, since he became an MP a year ago. It has been a difficult 12 months for him.

He was, in fact, never meant to become an MP. He was what's known in political jargon as a "paper candidate", picked at the last moment to fight a seat held by the Tories with a majority of nearly 20,000.

But Basildon South and Thurrock East voted 73% for Brexit, one of the highest margins of the 2016 referendum, so perhaps a shock win for Reform UK shouldn't have come as a surprise.

After a marathon recount, Mr McMurdock won by just 98 votes, with Labour second and the former Conservative MP Stephen Metcalfe, who'd held the seat since 2010, third.

Before long it emerged that aged 19 he was imprisoned for a week for assaulting a former girlfriend. He's admitted it's the "biggest regret of my life".
https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uk...gloat-13392899

Russ 08-07-2025 15:37
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...Z0QyRh2gjwiajA

Did he actually mean legal or psychiatric advice?

Hugh 08-07-2025 17:12
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199031)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...Z0QyRh2gjwiajA

Did he actually mean legal or psychiatric advice?
Quote:
In his statement, Mr Anderson wrote: "I have today received a call from James McMurdock who has advised me, as Chief Whip, that he has removed the party whip from himself pending the outcome of an investigation into allegations that are likely to be published by a national newspaper."

He added: "The allegations relate to business propriety during the pandemic and before he became an MP. At Reform UK we take these matters very seriously and James has agreed to cooperate in full with any investigation.

"We will not be commenting further at this moment."
Lee Anderson is Chief Whip of the Reform UK MPs, but he can't tell two of them (Farage and Tice) what to do (as they are Leader and Deputy Leader), so his job is basically keeping one MP in line...

Pierre 10-07-2025 23:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199037)
Lee Anderson is Chief Whip of the Reform UK MPs, but he can't tell two of them (Farage and Tice) what to do (as they are Leader and Deputy Leader), so his job is basically keeping one MP in line...
How’s he doing?

Hugh 11-07-2025 10:46
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199143)
How’s he doing?
Still being Lee…

https://archive.ph/geUu3

Quote:
Most Conservative MPs will not be welcome in Reform UK, Lee Anderson has insisted.

The Reform chief whip and MP for Ashfield said most of the Tory parliamentary party would only want to cross the floor to “save their jobs”.
Amusing coming from someone who crossed the floor to save his job…

Itshim 11-07-2025 15:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199150)
Still being Lee…

https://archive.ph/geUu3



Amusing coming from someone who crossed the floor to save his job…
Does not however mean it is any less true.

Russ 15-07-2025 13:49
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Ooops

https://leftfootforward.org/2025/07/...fdBlFCs8W0yHUQ

Pierre 15-07-2025 14:09
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
interesting news outlet you frequent.

Russ 15-07-2025 14:16
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Yeah it’s called Facebook, you may have heard of it.

Pierre 15-07-2025 18:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199272)
Yeah it’s called Facebook, you may have heard of it.
Here’s a much better left leaning information source

https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

https://x.com/leftiestats?s=21

Russ 15-07-2025 18:54
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Why, are those sites denying Reform have lost 10,000?

Pierre 15-07-2025 21:12
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199289)
Why, are those sites denying Reform have lost 10,000?
You really needed a question mark after “why” for that sentence to work.

But no, it isn’t, and it’s only one site, so no need for the plural.

Russ 15-07-2025 21:22
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
You understood it though right?

For some people I recognise the need for effort.

1andrew1 15-07-2025 23:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Apart from spending money we don't have, what does Reform stand for? Reducing immigration? That's what they want you to think but when in power, one commentator in the Telegraph noted "Reform has proven again it is unfit to tackle our immigration crisis. Nigel Farage’s party may be a sheep in wolf’s clothing"

Why so?

This article explains why. I suspect it won't make it to GB News any time soon!

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Reform-led council calls for more social care visas

A Reform UK-led council has called on the government to reconsider its plans to end health and social care visas for overseas workers.

Kent County Council (KCC) leader Linden Kemkaran has written to Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Minister for Care Stephen Kinnock to raise "grave concerns" about the proposals in the new Immigration Bill.

Kemkaran said the decision could "leave providers on a cliff edge".

A government spokesperson said its decision to close the route to overseas recruitment stemmed from the abuse and exploitation of workers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx201znge11o

OLD BOY 16-07-2025 00:11
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36199328)
Apart from spending money we don't have, what does Reform stand for? Reducing immigration? That's what they want you to think but when in power, one commentator in the Telegraph noted "Reform has proven again it is unfit to tackle our immigration crisis. Nigel Farage’s party may be a sheep in wolf’s clothing"

Why so?

This article explains why. I suspect it won't make it to GB News any time soon!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx201znge11o
Reform wants to prevent illegal immigration and keep legal immigration to the numbers required for our needs.

As for spending money we don’t have, clearly you are not listening. They will stop the many billions of pounds of waste to deliver their spending plans. The left do not understand this concept and nor, it seems, does the Conservative Party.

Russ 16-07-2025 08:04
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199332)

As for spending money we don’t have, clearly you are not listening.
Have they said what they'll do about the tax-dodging millionaires and billionaires? I don't think I was listening to that part.

Pierre 16-07-2025 08:56
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I think it shows the total apathy the country has for the incumbent parties.

The fact that Reform, a party that’s been around for 5 minutes, has few MPs and has lost nearly half of the total they had, is polling the way it is.

The country has voted for less immigration for decades and they’ve been ignored time and time again.

The next election will be a single issue election.

OLD BOY 16-07-2025 09:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199338)
Have they said what they'll do about the tax-dodging millionaires and billionaires? I don't think I was listening to that part.
What a lot of nonsense is spoken about this! So you think it’s more important to drive out our wealth creators than have the government save the wasted money instead. You really have a strange way of trying to balance the books! Even Rachel from Accounts knows that this is not the way to go about it!

Having driven out the non-doms, you now want to go for the country’s jugular!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199341)
I think it shows the total apathy the country has for the incumbent parties.

The fact that Reform, a party that’s been around for 5 minutes, has few MPs and has lost nearly half of the total they had, is polling the way it is.

The country has voted for less immigration for decades and they’ve been ignored time and time again.

The next election will be a single issue election.
Agreed, and despite the fears over what it may mean, the electorate will vote Reform at the end of the day because they are the last hope for this country. The other parties simply are not in tune with what the majority are looking for. Farage expresses their exasperation, and that’s why he will win.

Russ 16-07-2025 10:25
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199342)
So you think it’s more important to drive out our wealth creators than have the government save the wasted money instead.
No I'd rather they go after our wealth-takers.

You really have a strange way of trying to balance the books!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199342)
The other parties simply are not in tune with what the majority are looking for.
So....why didn't the majority vote for Reform?

Sephiroth 16-07-2025 11:54
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199289)
Why, are those sites denying Reform have lost 10,000?
As of this posting time, Reform membership stands at 227766.

The rate of change of membership is a fair barometer of their relative standing with the public. When the guvmin next do something unpopular, I'd expect a surge. If it stays there, then they've gained electorally. If the guvmin comes good for the economy (unlikely imo), Reform's relative standing will fall and its membership will fall when annual expiry occurs.

OLD BOY 16-07-2025 13:21
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199348)
No I'd rather they go after our wealth-takers.

You really have a strange way of trying to balance the books!
They are the people who receive welfare payments <Removed>. You really need to realise where the wealth for this country is coming from. Over-tax them and they will disappear and we’ll all be poorer.

Edit (Chris): Refrain from insulting other members.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199348)


So....why didn't the majority vote for Reform?
Now the majority can see what a Labour government stands for, they have bled out their temporary advantage. Reform U.K. will be the next government. You’ll see.

Sephiroth 16-07-2025 13:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199353)
As of this posting time, Reform membership stands at 227766.

The rate of change of membership is a fair barometer of their relative standing with the public. When the guvmin next do something unpopular, I'd expect a surge. If it stays there, then they've gained electorally. If the guvmin comes good for the economy (unlikely imo), Reform's relative standing will fall and its membership will fall when annual expiry occurs.
In the 2 hour 10 minutes since last posting, the Reform UK membership has risen from 227766 to 227790.

EDIT: In the 3 hours & 20 minutes, Reform's membership has risen to 228813.

So what was Russ crowing about? Note also that Labour have stopped publishing their membership count along with my party (Conservatives) who arfe too embarrassed to publicise their numbers.

Hugh 16-07-2025 16:54
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
It’ll be nice when the subscribers, sorry, members get to help decide things, rather than just Farage and a few cronies…

papa smurf 16-07-2025 17:00
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199372)
It’ll be nice when the subscribers, sorry, members get to help decide things, rather than just Farage and a few cronies…
Ask for your money back if you're not happy

Sephiroth 16-07-2025 17:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199372)
It’ll be nice when the subscribers, sorry, members get to help decide things, rather than just Farage and a few cronies…
Might it be that the Reform UK members have joined because they agree with the Farage and his cohort? Is there a push from Reform party members to them being able to decide things?

denphone 16-07-2025 17:40
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199342)
What a lot of nonsense is spoken about this! So you think it’s more important to drive out our wealth creators than have the government save the wasted money instead. You really have a strange way of trying to balance the books! Even Rachel from Accounts knows that this is not the way to go about it!

Having driven out the non-doms, you now want to go for the country’s jugular!

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Agreed, and despite the fears over what it may mean, the electorate will vote Reform at the end of the day because they are the last hope for this country. The other parties simply are not in tune with what the majority are looking for. Farage expresses their exasperation, and that’s why he will win.
They could not organise a piss up at a brewery let alone run their own councils they are running now.

papa smurf 16-07-2025 17:45
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36199376)
They could not organise a piss up at a brewery let alone run their own councils they are running now.
i can assure you Nigel is no stranger to a piss up

Pierre 16-07-2025 20:54
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199372)
It’ll be nice when the subscribers, sorry, members get to help decide things, rather than just Farage and a few cronies…
Do members of the Labour party get to decide things…………

1andrew1 17-07-2025 00:15
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Top Tory Suella Braverman's husband has quit Reform UK in a blow to Nigel Farage.

Rael Braverman, the partner of the former Home Secretary, said on Wednesday he had left the right-wing party "effective immediately".

Ben Habib, a former co-leader of the party who also quit last year, said he was "not surprised" by the decision of Mr Braverman. He posted on X: "Anyone with a coherent political philosophy which puts the country at its centre is bound to fall out with the bad joke that is Reform Party UK."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...faa7bba3&ei=15

Hugh 17-07-2025 00:19
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199389)
Do members of the Labour party get to decide things…………
Using the above words as search terms in Google, the first item is how members are involved in, and at Party Conferences and the NPF, get to decide on Policy, and the third item is how members are involved in nominating and voting for the Party Leader.

Local Constituency Parties shortlist and select Election Candidates.

Reform does none of these things…

Mick 17-07-2025 13:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199372)
It’ll be nice when the subscribers, sorry, members get to help decide things, rather than just Farage and a few cronies…
This. Party needs to be Democratised.

Mr K 18-07-2025 21:51
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
It all goes Pete Tong when they are elected, have to deliver something, and are found out...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1238940.html

Pierre 19-07-2025 18:56
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I’d vote for Beelzebub himself if he promised to end illegal migration and reduce legal migration to <10,000.

This is the no.1 issue for me at the moment.

Itshim 19-07-2025 19:03
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
:clap::clap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199530)
I’d vote for Beelzebub himself if he promised to end illegal migration and reduce legal migration to <10,000.

This is the no.1 issue for me at the moment.

Mr K 19-07-2025 19:14
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199531)
:clap::clap:
Yeah, we should definitely build a wall down Offa's Dyke and stop the Welsh crossing the border.

Hugh 19-07-2025 19:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199530)
I’d vote for Beelzebub himself if he promised to end illegal migration and reduce legal migration to <10,000.

This is the no.1 issue for me at the moment.
Net Migration, or total?

What are your thoughts on the 400k Sponsored Study Visas per year?

Pierre 19-07-2025 20:02
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199533)
Net Migration, or total?
Quote:
What are your thoughts on the 400k Sponsored Study Visas per year?
Haven’t seen it, don’t know the detail.

But my gut reaction would be no.

Student visas are a big loophole, with “student’s” allowed to bring their families with them.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199532)
Yeah, we should definitely build a wall down Offa's Dyke and stop the Welsh crossing the border.
What have you got against the Welsh?

Hugh 19-07-2025 21:06
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199534)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199533)
Net Migration, or total?

What are your thoughts on the 400k Sponsored Study Visas per year?


Haven’t seen it, don’t know the detail.

But my gut reaction would be no.

Student visas are a big loophole, with “student’s” allowed to bring their families with them.

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What have you got against the Welsh?
The students have to pay for a CAS (Confirmation of Acceptance for Study) from an Accredited University, then for a Visa, then pay (at our local Uni) £27k per year (in advance) for an undergraduate course, around £29k each year (in advance) for Post-graduate course (£61k for Medicine).

Only PhD students are eligible to bring their dependents to the U.K., and the students have to prove they have the money to support themselves and their dependents.

GrimUpNorth 19-07-2025 22:15
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199530)
I’d vote for Beelzebub himself if he promised to end illegal migration and reduce legal migration to <10,000.

This is the no.1 issue for me at the moment.
But what about the impact on road safety? All those unwashed cars on the road would be a recipe for disaster. Be careful what you wish for.

Sephiroth 19-07-2025 22:33
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
The nation voted for Beelzebub who promised to end illegal immigration.

Reform UK's policy, apparently, is to push the boats back to France. I might go along with that if they acknowledged that this would intentionally cause an international incident with France so that matters could be brought to a head. That needs to be openy said so that we can gauge France's reaction

Paul 19-07-2025 23:10
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36199539)
But what about the impact on road safety? All those unwashed cars on the road would be a recipe for disaster. Be careful what you wish for.
Huh :confused:

Hugh 19-07-2025 23:13
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199541)
The nation voted for Beelzebub who promised to end illegal immigration.

Reform UK's policy, apparently, is to push the boats back to France. I might go along with that if they acknowledged that this would intentionally cause an international incident with France so that matters could be brought to a head. That needs to be openy said so that we can gauge France's reaction

Sorry to bring reality into this, but how exactly would Reform UK "push the boats back to France"?

Large poles?

Damien 19-07-2025 23:16
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
It might just encourage France to be even less bothered about securing the coastline or the Eurotunnel. We also need cooperation from France on all sorts of issues other than immigration. Souring relations with your direct neighbours is rarely productive.

I don't see how you solve this unless you make it harder for them to enter France in the first place. Let's face it, what incentive is there for France to make it hard to leave France for Britain? If it were the other way around, the British Government wouldn't exactly be popular for helping France but keeping prospective immigrants on our shores instead of theirs.

I think we should look at legal routes and find further ways to discourage illegal crossings. Introduce ID cards as well.

Sephiroth 19-07-2025 23:34
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199546)
Sorry to bring reality into this, but how exactly would Reform UK "push the boats back to France"?

Large poles?
Oh dear. Trust you to twist my clearly made point.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36199548)
It might just encourage France to be even less bothered about securing the coastline or the Eurotunnel. We also need cooperation from France on all sorts of issues other than immigration. Souring relations with your direct neighbours is rarely productive.

I don't see how you solve this unless you make it harder for them to enter France in the first place. Let's face it, what incentive is there for France to make it hard to leave France for Britain? If it were the other way around, the British Government wouldn't exactly be popular for helping France but keeping prospective immigrants on our shores instead of theirs.

I think we should look at legal routes and find further ways to discourage illegal crossings. Introduce ID cards as well.

Quote:
It might just encourage France to be even less bothered about securing the coastline or the Eurotunnel. We also need cooperation from France on all sorts of issues other than immigration. Souring relations with your direct neighbours is rarely productive.
Sounds like bending over to me. If the objective is to stop this invasion by economic migrants or potential terrorists, then something drastic needs doing. France is not our friend and they are laughing at us with each boat that crosses to the UK.

Quote:
I think we should look at legal routes and find further ways to discourage illegal crossings. Introduce ID cards as well.
Well, that's a leftie line if ever there was one. The British population is being replaced; is that what you want?

Hugh 20-07-2025 00:20
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199549)
Oh dear. Trust you to twist my clearly made point.

---------- Post added at 23:34 ---------- Previous post was at 23:23 ----------






Sounds like bending over to me. If the objective is to stop this invasion by economic migrants or potential terrorists, then something drastic needs doing. France is not our friend and they are laughing at us with each boat that crosses to the UK.



Well, that's a leftie line if ever there was one. The British population is being replaced; is that what you want?
Oh dear, trust you not to answer the question…

This is typical of Reform U.K. policies - all sound bite, no real world explanation…

It’s been a while since you mentioned the Great Replacement Theory…

GrimUpNorth 20-07-2025 08:27
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36199544)
Huh :confused:
Round this part of the world, the people Seph, Pierre et al seem to fear coming to the UK run friendly car wash operations. For what they charge it isn't worth getting your own hands wet. We'll miss them when they're gone.

Pierre 20-07-2025 08:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199536)
The students have to pay for a CAS (Confirmation of Acceptance for Study) from an Accredited University, then for a Visa, then pay (at our local Uni) £27k per year (in advance) for an undergraduate course, around £29k each year (in advance) for Post-graduate course (£61k for Medicine).

Only PhD students are eligible to bring their dependents to the U.K., and the students have to prove they have the money to support themselves and their dependents.
https://aca-secretariat.be/newslette...aud-uncovered/

I didn’t have to look hard.

Hugh 20-07-2025 09:16
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199556)
That was over 10 years ago, about English Language testing in two small colleges - the rules were tightened after that.

What did that article have to do with the fees that the Overseas students have to pay, and the fact that only PhD students can bring dependents here?

1andrew1 21-07-2025 00:09
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Reform upping red tape costs at one council and Farage can't explain why.
Quote:
Nigel Farage has responded that he has “no idea” six times in an interview with the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg.

The Reform UK leader was asked about Scarborough Town Council increasing its mayor’s allowance by 600 per cent, despite his party promising to cut costs for taxpayers.

Asked about the rise, from £500 to £3,500, Mr Farage said: “I have no idea… whether what you say is true or not, I have no idea.”

Asked whether it is the right thing to do, Mr Farage again said he has “no idea”, before saying he has “no idea” whether Thomas Murray, Reform’s mayor of Scarborough Town Council, does the role as a full-time job.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...2f176226&ei=38

Paul 21-07-2025 02:07
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Not really sure what your point is - I cant stand the guy, but I dont expect him know every person in every council they won.

OLD BOY 21-07-2025 14:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199338)
Have they said what they'll do about the tax-dodging millionaires and billionaires? I don't think I was listening to that part.
Not that I’m aware of, but I would imagine all parties will want to deal with tax dodgers, whether millionaires or not.

What is Labour doing about it? None of the established parties have done enough, have they?

As Reform want to completely change our system of taxation, I guess the answer to your question may be self evident nearer the time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36199376)
They could not organise a piss up at a brewery let alone run their own councils they are running now.
We’ll see, Den, we’ll see. The proof of the pudding….

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199541)
The nation voted for Beelzebub who promised to end illegal immigration.

Reform UK's policy, apparently, is to push the boats back to France. I might go along with that if they acknowledged that this would intentionally cause an international incident with France so that matters could be brought to a head. That needs to be openy said so that we can gauge France's reaction
So it’s OK for the French to tow boats to our border, but not the other way around?

We should tow these boats back to the French cost and then disable the boats in shallow waters.

Sephiroth 21-07-2025 14:37
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36199338)
Have they said what they'll do about the tax-dodging millionaires and billionaires? I don't think I was listening to that part.
You really don't get it. Said millionaires/billionaires are big spenders and those who are here contribute significantly to the economy in many ways. Drive them out, then the rest of us have to make up the tax shortfall unless the government reduces expenditure.

As to "tax dodgers" - illegal "dodging" (as in evasion) would be dealt with by HMRC.

The way you've put it shows your hatred of the wealthy in this country. Added to your charming list of people on whom bags of brown stuff should be chucked.

OLD BOY 21-07-2025 14:39
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199536)
The students have to pay for a CAS (Confirmation of Acceptance for Study) from an Accredited University, then for a Visa, then pay (at our local Uni) £27k per year (in advance) for an undergraduate course, around £29k each year (in advance) for Post-graduate course (£61k for Medicine).

Only PhD students are eligible to bring their dependents to the U.K., and the students have to prove they have the money to support themselves and their dependents.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36199629)
Not really sure what your point is - I cant stand the guy, but I dont expect him know every person in every council they won.
Agreed, and it was only a Town Council after all.

Additionally, it’s worth reminding ourselves that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Reform UK wants to bring talent in from the private sector to reset politics and show how government business should be done.

People can criticise Nigel Farage and his party if they foul up, but some are so afraid of him, they want to talk him down before he’s even started.

We should judge him on his success or otherwise, but we should also compare his performance with that of other parties. It’s not a high bar to cross, is it?

Sephiroth 21-07-2025 14:41
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199636)
Not that I’m aware of, but I would imagine all parties will want to deal with tax dodgers, whether millionaires or not.

What is Labour doing about it? None of the established parties have done enough, have they?

As Reform want to completely change our system of taxation, I guess the answer to your question may be self evident nearer the time.

---------- Post added at 14:25 ---------- Previous post was at 14:22 ----------



We’ll see, Den, we’ll see. The proof of the pudding….

---------- Post added at 14:32 ---------- Previous post was at 14:25 ----------



So it’s OK for the French to tow boats to our border, but not the other way around?

We should tow these boats back to the French cost and then disable the boats in shallow waters.
I'd love for that to happen. It'll create an international incident but that's now necessary imo. Of course it won't play out like that at all.

We'll have to warn the French that we're at the end of our tether and if they won't stop the boats, we will. The French will then patrol their waters and the fun will start. But that is the sort of resolve that needs to happen so that France ends up properly stopping the boats.

OLD BOY 21-07-2025 14:45
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Or we can fly the illegals to El Salvador. That’ll stop them overnight.

We need to get tough and stop behaving like snowflakes. The rest of the world is laughing at us.

thenry 21-07-2025 14:52
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Why not join the trend and emigrate yourself?

Sephiroth 21-07-2025 15:02
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199644)
Or we can fly the illegals to El Salvador. That’ll stop them overnight.

We need to get tough and stop behaving like snowflakes. The rest of the world is laughing at us.
The rest of the world is on its way here! Or will be.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36199645)
Why not join the trend and emigrate yourself?
Why do you say that?

thenry 21-07-2025 15:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
King Charles views aren't of not welcoming of migrants.

Sephiroth 21-07-2025 15:52
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36199648)
King Charles views aren't of not welcoming of migrants.
You suggested (unless I misunderstood) that OB might emigrate. I asked you why you said that and you then brought King Charles (his eyes are far too close together) into the picture. What's that about?

thenry 21-07-2025 16:00
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I made my post as a general comment. I know immigration gets people worked up but you have to remember the head of state sees things differently. If someone can't stand it move like those migrating are doing because they can't stand it too.

OLD BOY 21-07-2025 16:03
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36199648)
King Charles views aren't of not welcoming of migrants.
Of course we should welcome legal migrants. We’ve had a fair few where I live, and they are very nice people.

However, if you want to welcome criminals who barge into this country without permission, you’re on your own. We have a few of those in a nearby hotel and they cause nothing but trouble.

---------- Post added at 16:03 ---------- Previous post was at 16:00 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36199650)
I made my post as a general comment. I know immigration gets people worked up but you have to remember the head of state sees things differently. If someone can't stand it move like those migrating are doing because they can't stand it too.
You don’t think things through very well, do you? Illegal immigrants have no right to be here. This is my home country and I don’t want it turned into the kind of countries many of them are coming from. So why should I be the one that moves out?

thenry 21-07-2025 16:12
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Legal migration and illegal are the same with respect to them chasing a better life.

I've not noticed an issue here in Crawley. If I'm not mistaken the illegals go to a near by park everyday. I just remember my younger years I was well happy exploring other peoples endeavours (parks, forests etc.)

https://crawley.gov.uk/culture/parks...southgate-park

I did think through my post. It's King Charles home.

With regards to criminals. Well war a minute ago and now a house party. Who's fault is that?

Sephiroth 21-07-2025 16:23
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
@thenry

Legal migration is often, if not usually, down to sponsorship for an employed position.

Paul 21-07-2025 16:34
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36199654)
Legal migration and illegal are the same with respect to them chasing a better life.
Much like getting a payrise and robbing a bank are the same with respect to getting yourself more money ?

thenry 21-07-2025 16:41
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36199658)
Much like getting a payrise and robbing a bank are the same with respect to getting yourself more money ?
I guess so yes.

1andrew1 21-07-2025 16:57
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199636)
As Reform want to completely change our system of taxation, I guess the answer to your question may be self evident nearer the time.
I don't think any party can completely change our system of taxation nor do I think Reform UK have suggested they can do this.

Itshim 21-07-2025 17:29
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199644)
Or we can fly the illegals to El Salvador. That’ll stop them overnight.

We need to get tough and stop behaving like snowflakes. The rest of the world is laughing at us.
:clap::clap::clap:

Russ 21-07-2025 18:21
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199644)
Or we can fly the illegals to El Salvador. That’ll stop them overnight.
No, Farage plans to send the most hardened criminals to El Salvador, not just the "illegals".


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