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Why’s that then ?

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maybe i'ts very entertaining to see the wokie snowflakes go into meltdown

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Same question then, why ?

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Let's not lose track of the fact he hasn't officially won yet there's still hope;)

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So it looks like the yanks have voted in the first convicted criminal as president.


In the process thrown Ukraine under the bus and handed it to Russia


Now to see the Gaza strip wiped of the earth.


Way to go USA.

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Reminds me of the Blazing Sladdles quote:

Putin can now pop the Champagne he has had on ice ... and Zelensky is frantically looking for those old Soviet manuals on how to build nukes.

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Hollywood star promises to 'drink drain cleaner' if Donald Trump wins US election


Wonder if it will be televised

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/...drain-34045776

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Like Obama did? any won't happen Ukraine will still exist, the war may end though

as above


Already happened under Biden/Harris

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It’s incredibly embarrassing for the Democrats to lose the popular vote. A message that simply didn’t resonate with the voters they needed to get off the couch. Millions of voters who went for Biden in 2020 didn’t bother for Harris in 2024.

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The defeat is so comprehensive that I am not sure any campaign would have turned it around. This isn't 2016 where Clinton was more popular and essentially ran a bad campaign to lose a few states by a few thousand votes. This was Harris losing ground in almost every area and every demographic. A bad campaign doesn't do that.

I think it's quite simple in the end. People don't like governments that oversee high inflation and a fall in living standards. The Tories got the blame for it here and the Democrats got the blame for it there. The same thing happened in Germany.

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Thank goodness the US is getting a Republican administration. Now we can crack on with signing that trade deal which Biden's been withholding from us. ;)

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Is there a lower turnout this time? Was it a case of not voting or did they vote for Trump instead? There's 5 million voting gap.

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At least we don't live there, and are safe in our socialist paradise :)

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I know what they will do. All her supporters will now ask her if she's ok :sleep: One by one should kill some time and take the edge off her legitimate claim to office. Oh what a perfect human being you are Kamala Harris. We are all the bad ones that supported Trump. Don't change who you are. Let's see how far it gets you. :upyours:

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Yea but where the hell is she?

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The polls were scattered all over the place, which happens when the race is close - and it has been close. As of right now Trump’s sitting on 51.1% - yes, he’s comfortably taken the electoral college but the final tally of EC votes will flatter him.

I’m not going to lie, I’m disappointed in America and the large number of Americans who have been willing to overlook far too much. He’s a convict, a rapist, a con man and a mysoginist. I’m especially disappointed in the great swathes of Evangelical so-called Christians who have been willing to overlook his character in pursuit of one or two policies he is personally only lukewarm about.

I *hope* you’re right, and he spends the next 4 years not doing all the things he threatened to do. I *hope* it was all just a pantomime act to get votes. But at this point I’m not convinced.

And on that point, the Ukraine war isn’t going to end just because Trump said he’d end it. Ukraine, and the whole of Esastern Europe, is about to get a whole lot more dangerous because Putin *believes* he has Trump in his pocket and that will embolden him. Though right now I’m angrier at the Biden admin that has constantly spoken warm words about Ukraine while only ever doing just enough to prevent it from collapsing.

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What is said to be flimsy evidence on misdemeanours that were outside the statue of limitations. Completely bogus charges.

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No - he is civilly liable for sexual assault due to the statute of limitations on criminal charges in that case. But he is a convicted felon (criminal) on 34 charges of falsifying business records arising from his failed attempt to cover up hush-money payments to a porn star. There was nothing bogus or flimsy in any of that.

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The Business records thing were all misdemeanours that were outside of the statute of limitations. No charges legally allowed. Since when has extortion and blackmail been legalised?
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He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

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I’d lean more chose to not vote than switch. I think turnout will also be down some votes still outstanding but not tens of millions or anything.

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They didn't want a woman as president.

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Not that one

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Title changed

We might start a new thread as we get into the transition stuff but for now this one is suited for the aftermath of last night.

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Or word salad, cackling, airheads.

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Specifically, they didn't want a black woman as president ...

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What is more likely is the stifling of growth and the price rises from the new tariffs he has promised .. unless he was lying of course ;)

I am confident that the Trump supporters here in the UK would welcome this together with the further tax rises to pay for increased military spending required to counter Trump's withdrawal of US support for NATO, Ukraine, etc.

From today's Spectator:

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May be she's had a brainwave regretting leaving her day job. Oh this is soo sweet. I had the tele on all night while I slept waking every so often to tune into SkyNews coverage. This is genuinely the first time in a very long time that I've woken up really happy :D

It does make you wonder why he felt the need to get a criminal conviction. People do strange things. USA clearly doesn't care. To be honest so long as they account for said offence I see no issue. He should work on credibility and absolutely boss his second term. :woot:

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+1.

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+1.

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Russia should have a women president. But that's for another thread :angel:

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Based on what evidence exactly ?

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Convicted of what? Nobody has ever said.
Even a show trial or kangaroo court would have the decency of telling you what you were being charged with.


Even the Jurors weren't told, and were even told they could make something up.

Yup right now they are saying its him..... Its interesting,where did all the other votes go??

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Sums up my feelings accurately although I hope he's telling the truth about healing America, what a legacy that would be, I'm not sure he has it in him to do it but I hope I'm proven wrong. I'm not convinced by his rhetoric about rounding millions of people up either, don't think there's enough cash to do it, just words like lock her up with any luck.

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The result :rofl:

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I would welcome increased defence spending. Let's cancel Net-Zero, that'll easily pay for it all.

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A prerequisite for the US President is to be old, male, senile and preferably white ( or orange...)

Anyway seeing as Tango man was making claims of mass cheating and voting irregularities last night, surely the result is null and void? :confused:

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'Donald Trump has strongly indicated or stated that he would not defend ‘delinquent’ Nato allies, Ukraine or Taiwan against aggression, sees international commitments mainly as a financial drain and would like to reduce America’s overseas military deployments.'

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a NATO member, isn't that what POTUS, i.e. America, is supposed to do? Isn't that what NATO is all about: mutual defence?

A commitment is a commitment. At least it is if you're an adult.

Is it just me, or does WWIII sound more likely now? We already have a graphic picture of just how badly the UK will be affected from Threads. Contrary to what I think Trump believes, just like that guy in By Dawn's Early Light, who was a very poor choice of President, no-one can win a nuclear war. No-one.

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How will WWIII kick off? Don't leaders of opposition stay at home and send troops? The last I saw Trump turned up to confrontation and buried the conflict. I'm thinking North Korea as one example. It's unfair to say a war will kick off. Trump went against calls for him not to go to North Korea.

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No, I do not think a nuclear war is significantly more likely. Russia may well feel emboldened to pursue maximalist aims in Ukraine but in doing so over the past 2 years it has had its military capability smashed. It can talk about threatening the Baltics or Poland but it will be years before it could hope to actually do anything.

Even without any American involvement at all, attacking an allied nation in Europe is a wholly different proposition than going after Ukraine or Georgia.

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Yeah like a jury NEVER it wrong do they :shocked:

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I agree. When Trump defunds, we may have to do the same as we may simply not have the funds.

Putin will take over Ukraine and then look for his next target. I also fear that he wants to take over more than the old USSR.

From what i've read Trumps idea to stop the war seems to be give part of Ukrainia to Russis in order for the remainder to be left alone. Even if he agrees to this, Putin will eventually want it all as well as other countries. Once he has a part of Ukrainia, places like Poland will feel and actually be threatened IMO.

If NATO then become involved we could then see an all out world war.

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I’m pretty sure you know a jury verdict absolutely stands as having established the facts beyond reasonable doubt. We (and they) have an appeals court process if anyone thinks that system has gone wrong, but in the meantime we (and they) don’t treat a jury verdict as optional or suspicious as a matter of course.

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Harrison changed her position and so many things again and again, closely linked to slow Joe. As said 4 years ago would not vote for Biden as Harrison was a heart beat away from president. She was an accident waiting to happen. Trump is not great but he has policies that chime with the great unwashed. Our bottom line was so much better under him. Not sure how good life will be in Europe.

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The result ?

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Well they did, he was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.

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I hear on the grape vine that the incomming president might pardon him

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You heard wrongly - he has been convicted under NY state law. The president has no power to pardon state convictions.

What’s more, his sentencing hearing in front of Judge Merchan is coming up on 26 November and a jail term is possible. Fun times ahead.

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:D

An electorate certainly has! Let's hope the convicted rapist is put behind bars before he can cause any more trouble.

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He’s not going to do jail time.

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Yes, that’s what all anti-Trumpists are focussing on right now in an effort to justify the call they got so badly wrong.

Biden wasn’t all sweetness and light either. Criminal charges may well be levelled at him before long as well, and by the way, have you forgotten about his unhealthy fascination with young girls - even his own daughter?

The American people voted for Trump because they preferred his policies, which they believe from experience will put money in their pockets, repatriate illegal immigrants and make America great again. That’s what they think is the priority, not all this woke nonsense. They are fed up to the back teeth with that, as are many, many Brits.

Incidentally, what did we learn from the Harris campaign? She was all teeth and cackles and wouldn’t have done anything differently from Biden.

And you are surprised by this result? I’m certainly not.

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Except that neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are NATO members.

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Or maybe they’re (I’m) just answering a simple technical point made by another forum member who doesn’t understand which of Trump’s court dealings are civil, and which are criminal?

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I am pleased to agree with you for a change.

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I suspect his age works in his favour here.

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You’ve missed my point. The media got this badly wrong in their enthusiasm for the Democrats, and now as a face saver and rather than concentrate on Trump’s spectacular win against the odds, they cannot resist pointing out that he is a ‘convicted felon’.

We all knew that, so why repeat it now? Biden may be joining that popular club soon as well, by the way.

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Don’t under-estimate the lengths Trump will go to in order to get out of that. He might even go so far as to grant New York independence!

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That and it being a first offence , there would be so many appeals it would get tangled up for years and arguments that he wouldn’t be able to perform his duties as potus

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My life is now complete ;)

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Biden isn’t going anywhere near a courtroom. For a start he’d be ruled unfit to stand trial.

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We’re going over old ground. “Civilly” convicted ….yes, With a very dubious victim, decades after the fact, that is on record as saying “rape is sexy”. I wouldn’t describe it as safe.

The 34 misdemeanours that were wrapped up into fictitious felony, that nobody understands.

Look, he is not a particularly good man in certain respects, but he also not the devil incarnate, and these charges would never have been brought against him had he disappeared from the political stage after 2020, which makes them politically motivated by definition.

Going forward, he will do no jail time or anything else. No doubt these charges will be levied against him by the Democratic propagandist MSM all the time but it’s pointless, as for these next four years he’s pretty much untouchable and free to do whatever he wants as he doesn’t carry the weight of seeking reelection. He can leave that to Vance and DeSantis.

I really believe the world will be a safer place for the next 4 years and I also think that Vance or DeSantis will be president in 2028. I think we could be entering a period of a strong america and global stability.

Or it could all turn to shit.

But I hope the former.

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Or maybe, Civilly or criminally, we can see that they’re both bollocks.

Let’s talk about Hunter Biden’s laptop…….where the story was not about HB’s coke fuelled orgies with hookers….who cares go for it, have fun.

No, the real story was the cash for access to the Vice-President……of which there was a lot, a hell of a lot. The Vice-President and current president was and is corrupt, to a level Trump would be proud of, even humbled by.

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Harris conceding on stage now having phoned Trump earlier to do so over the phone.

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She's full? Of poo. Build an empire Kamala.

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Well we won’t be seeing her again.

It is exciting what the democrats will respond with.

The age of Pelosi, Schumer and Obama is over. The democrats should free themselves of those chains.

I don’t think they’ll win 2028, I think barring an economic disaster, Vance or DeSantis will continue but the opportunity is there for a new Democratic party to rise.

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That speech from harris was just waffle,what the hell was she on about :shrug:

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Karmas a beep. Her speech was her campaign pointing four fingers back at her.

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Not much-added value in a concession speech other than to concede. Doesn't really matter what else she says and she won't be running again.

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Obama will be around for a while. He is a former President so will important for the party and is an asset on the campaign trail.

I think 2028 will be interesting because they won't be running against Trump and it's not a given the Trump coalition can be taken up by someone else. The Republicans won't have an incumbent running so it's really all up for grabs. They will be helped if the 4 years go well for them of course.

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Wait til you find out what JD and his pals are planning …

Ya that would be strange if she indeed won........

I wonder if it was stolen this time? -- I mean its amazing he got in with all thats going on with him.......

My dad said "We have a felon in the white house" earlier..........

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Whatever you do, don’t mention the 25th Amendment!

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I’m going to say it. I told you so.

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Don't you think both parties will have to renew themselves.

DeSantis isn't really MAGA and Vance i dont think will be strong enough to as a candidate for presidency. Lets be honest being a vice president doesn't make much impact! Mike Johnson is completely out of his depth. Steve Scalise is nearly 60. Trump can't run again. McConnell is half dead.

What will the republican party do? Will trump allow himself to run again? or will MAGA continue with Donald JR? Or will MAGA have poisoned itself by 2028?

I'm fascinated by that. Trump wasnt doing overly great by the time the pandemic came in terms of ticking off his pre election targets e.g the wall wasnt built, obama care was still there. The pandemic gave him an excuse and then gave him an excuse to attack Biden and co for the economy which was destined to be struggling post pandemic/post russian war.

Will the republican party just be absorbed and destroyed by MAGA and lose all connection to the "grand old party" or will it regenerate back to traditional republican roots?

2028 seems intriging and its about 2 years until the candidates will need to reveal themselves!

If i was to guess it'd be desantis vs Newsom a case of classic republican versus a new era democratic. but knowing how US politics they wont get anywhere near the candidacy!

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No, you didn’t … you hoped it was so. The race was too close to call and there were enough conflicting metrics flying around to be able to select the ones that suited either case. Based on everything that occurred in the last 48 hours, what you did was win a coin toss. ;)

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Guardian Offers Free Counselling to Staff After Trump Win


https://order-order.com/2024/11/07/g...yees.%E2%80%9D

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It will all depend on the state of the economy and if they've managed to dial back on the identity politics.

The republicans and the dems are switching places slowly, as the parties have here. The dems are no the party of the liberal middle classes and elites, they nom longer represent the working class.

Trump and Vance now resonate with that demographic....but they also have to win over the old GOP base as well.

It will also be interesting to see how the US MSM handle this result. Can't blame Russia this time.

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Yes I did call it & I won’t have you telling me otherwise Chris. I do not do hope or predictions, my post stated he was going to win, I posted it as fact & I was right.

The race was not too close to call at all, that’s the pollsters view, but I saw raw early voting data & as I outlined in my post from late October, Kamala Harris did not build up a large enough “Firewall” in Pennsylvania, like Biden did in 2020 & I knew she was in trouble, hence why I said in my October post above, he was going to win.

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No it wasn't people in the UK just relied on polls results , and left leaning news channels , not understanding they are rubbish in the USA.(the polls) :dozey: Don't like the guy but his policies that a different story

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Speak for yourself … I actually read stuff other than polls and UK-filtered reportage. ;)

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This is just pathetic.

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Of course you did ‘call’ it - everyone who made a prediction called it one way or the other. Some called it correctly, some called it incorrectly, and with the polls as tight as they were, whether you’re right or wrong is a coin toss. No, you did not post your prediction as a fact even if that’s what you thought you were doing. Future events are not facts until they’ve happened. You posted a prediction that you believed in strongly. There is a difference.

There was a ton of conflicting information out there. GOP channels were pushing data sets that showed Trump doing better than polls suggested. Dems did likewise. It’s called ‘narrative building’ and it’s designed to encourage your side to get out and vote while depressing the opposition. But please don’t pretend you performed some feat of psephological brilliance just because the team you cheerlead for happened to win - the fact that both sides indulge in narrative pushing activities means that whoever wins, can say ‘told you so’. That’s why I’m not buying it just because you said it. ;)

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So what are his policies? He certainly was not able to cogently explain them.

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He explained them more clearly than his opponent did imho

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So what are they then? The point I am making is that the man himself was unable to cogently explain what he will do as President. The follow up point is that no one seemed to challenge him, when interviewed, as to the veracity of what he was saying. For example, take tariffs: he was saying that China would pay the cost but in reality, tariffs are paid by the importer who would then pass it on to the consumer so leading to higher prices. The very thing that voters seemed to (wrongly) punish the Democrats for.

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I'll tell you otherwise then. ;)

You happened to guess right, as did many people. :D

If it were possible to "call it" in the manner you imply, there would be no point in anyone voting. :angel:


Its going to be an "interesting" 4 years (if he lives that long).

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So long ago but so accurate:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/11/2.jpg

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You’re missing the point he perhaps didn’t explain them cogently to you he obviously managed to resonate with a degree of the population and he obviously resonated more strongly that KH did to the electorate

This btw is a view shared with me talking to colleagues in the US (supporters of both parties)

The other view which seems to be held is that a section of the population aren’t aware of the world outside of America and that they see things such as the economic downturn and cost of living as something that happens only to them.

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Less than half of Americans have passports (87% have in the UK). Most of them aren't aware anywhere else exists.

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I thought Mr M explained it quite well.

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Any more and you'll be out of this topic.
Dont start insulting an entire nation based on your views.

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Secure the border

Deport illegal migrants

Reduce tax

Reduce inflation

Introduce Tariffs on cheap imports that hurt US manufacturing.

Roll back on Climate targets and policies that hurt US consumers

End the war in Ukraine

If you were ever paying attention, which you obviously weren’t, they were very clear.

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He was and he did.

You, however, appear to be unable to cogently understand them

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This is an accusation levied at Americans by ignorant Brits (yes that is directed at you ) that like to feel superior, which is unfair and wrong. They have a continent they can frolic across without the need of a passport. We don’t have that luxury.

It’s also a myth that the USA is a homogeneous country, it isn’t. Going to different states in the USA is like visiting 50 different countries.

We need a passport otherwise it’s Cornwall every summer, the options for Americans are vastly greater.

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And they have no obligation to consider the world o/s of the US. (I’m not suggesting you’re implying they should)

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He'll likely only reduce taxes for his rich pals and not those that really need it.
So tariffs on cheap imports? He is planning on large tariffs on most if not all imports. Even stuff they don't or can't manufacture in the US.

Even IF he is able to reduce inflation, which is not even majorly high. The price of goods will probably not come back down to what they used to be, yet that is what voters are expecting.

Ya Mick I felt he was gonna also....

I know alot of ppl are mad about it!

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“Likely”. So you have no evidence he will, has he said that…..or are you just overreacting a little bit emotionally?

Ok, show me where he has said that……………I’ll wait. I’ll be waiting a long time, but I’ll wait.

Well, of course they won’t, because that’s not how inflation works……which proves you don’t
understand it.


Inflation should always increase, which means generally prices will always increase. They will come down or stay static due to competition or supply and demand. Also modest and non-inflationary pay increases will help the electorates back pocket.

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No, that’s deflation, which means more unemployment. Nobody wants that.

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I saw the early voting data, (not who voted for who but ballots returned based on party affiliation) so of course there is a point in voting, it’s through this early voting data, she was massively under performing in Pennsylvania by a lot compared to Biden in 2020.

PA is a massive swing state, I knew she was in trouble & it wasn’t just PA she was struggling with & that’s why I said in my post back in Oct, Trump was going to win, it wasn’t a hope, or prediction, I simply knew it, looking at the EV figures & I based what I said with actual votes cast data.

Biden had a 1.1 Million Early vote lead going in to Election Day in 2020 in PA
Biden won the state by 80,000 votes after Election Day, so Republicans turned out in large portions on actual day of voting, but it wasn’t enough to cut through Biden’s massive firewall.

Kamala’s lead was way down around 300,000 going in to Election Day 2024. So Republicans on Election Day, did same, came out in force, Kamala’s poor early vote lead meant they cut through her lead, Trump won it by over 235,000.

As I knew how Republicans vote more on Election Day, I knew she was in big trouble approaching Election Day & I knew, looking at this information, Trump would win it, given how crucially winning PA usually means also winning the presidency.

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Where did you see the data out of interest?

Only asking as it'd almost certainly be true. Harris lost votes (vs Biden 2020) everywhere. Every state, every congressional district and almost every county.

Across every demographic she lost voter share. Age. Sex. Race. Income. You name a metric and Harris moved the dial backwards. This isn't a quirk of the electoral system. Nor is it that Trump's campaign was more effective at dragging out a 'certain type' of voter than Harris. It was almost entirely uniform. That's a bad candidate, or a bad message.

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There’s a lot of noise and it’s hard to tell from this distance, but I get the impression that the Dems have gone far more to the left on social issues than is generally appreciated from this side of the Atlantic. Gender identity politics seems to have hurt her (‘women won’t vote for a woman who can’t say what a woman is’ is a phrase I’ve seen more than once), the widespread, campus-occupying, Jew baiting over the summer also seems to have become attached to her despite complaints from that lobby that she wasn’t doing enough on the issue. And the southern border issue is also hanging round her neck. But most of all, the GOP campaign successfully tied her to Biden and his legacy is inevitably filtered through his rapid decline over the last 6 months in particular. She was (almost) literally shackled to a corpse.

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What you don't know, and nobody could know, is how much of that Republican vote on Election Day had moved to early voting. That's why people are cautious about looking at early voting, especially in the United States, where there is little history of early voting and the last one was influenced by COVID.

It was entirely possible that the Republican scepticism of early voting in 2020 that saw the Democrats amass a huge early vote before the Republicans turned out in droves on Election Day had equally out. This could mean this time more Republicans vote early and there isn't as big a gap between early voting and on-the-day voting.

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There will be a lot of this kind of analysis, and it will shake out more as the dust settles, but I think this kind of stuff matters on the margins. Ultimately I think the biggest reason she lost in Americans weren't happy with the economy and Democrats got the blame for inflation. I believe every incumbent government that was in power during that spike has now lost power apart from Macron in France.

That said the left clearly has a big problem talking to certain demographics. I think men between 18-30ish and traditional working class in rural areas especially.

BTW This is fascinating. How the electoral coalition are changing in America. We're seeing the same here:

https://i.imgur.com/oVREVfX.jpeg

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But are you not just describing Populism? Tell them what they want to hear irrespective of the facts.

Harris was a poor choice but she was not Trump and that is all that matters here. You know some of his supporters think, and I include some CF members in this, that you should not be scared by the extreme things he said he will do because when in office, he will just be rational and more moderate. I find this position literally insane: you vote for someone who you assume is lying when he said what he will do in office and you vote for what you hope he will do, not what he says he will do. Crazy ...

BTW, how long before the family grifters show up for "work"?

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The fact it happens elsewhere doesn’t exempt governments around the world from blame (like Pierre, I’m not saying you said that but I’ve heard it on podcasts). They aren’t passive actors in macroeconomic policy.

Re: US Election 2024
 

That's not populism, that's Politics.

Re: Trump wins US Presidency for a 2nd Term
 

Some of the reasons why Musk is shilling for Trump:

Elon Musk could reap a whopping tax break if he joins a Trump administration

Re: Trump wins US Presidency for a 2nd Term
 

And? Do you think all those Democrat donors and business activists were doing it out of the kindness of their hearts?

Re: Trump wins US Presidency for a 2nd Term
 

Ah, so you don't mind then. I am surprised but I guess people change. The level of influence Musk will have will be immense and so will his rewards.

It is the old argument "well they are all like that so it does not matter" - well in this case it does because Musk is dangerous. He is not like the run of the mill DC lobbyists which you seem to equate him to.

Re: US Election 2024
 

Here's the thing, I don't like Trump, I don't think he'll make a good president some of his polices don't resonate with me.

BUT the line I've bolded above is EXACTLY why IMHO KH lost. Trump had policies, you might not like them, but they were liked enough by the voters for him to make inroads into the democratic vote share.