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"Puting" aside his colour, his lies and his sexual crimes, the real problem is that he is Putin's useful idiot. NATO is at real risk if he gets a second term plus Putin will be emboldened making attacks on the Baltic countries & Moldova far more likely.

The world will be a far more dangerous place with him as President.

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Perhaps it's time for "Europe " looked after its self instead of wanting the USA to hold its hand. Just can't vote for Biden given his vp , so looks like a no hoper or Trump will get my vote . Always say if you don't vote don't complain :rolleyes:

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The USA was very keen on NATO being a buffer between the USA and the Soviet Union during the 40 odd years of the Cold War, and NATO rallied to the US’s invocation of Article 5 after 9/11.

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It’d be a safer place for the Ukrainian conscripts being sacrificed on the front line.

However, I’m inclined to think Trump will be Navalnied before he ever takes office second time. The court system is too contentious and tens of millions will reject it anyway.

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Your thoughtfulness for the well-being of the Ukrainian conscripts is fantastic…

Re your second point, I think it would be pretty audacious of Putin to murder another politician so soon, especially one who admires him so much…

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You.don't put down an obedient pet dog unless it bites you. ;)

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I think he means by an agency closer to home. Many of them have been well and truly bitten by the Donald already.

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My bad. Trump has indeed bitten them.

Could be wrong but don't think discrete assassinations are the US's style.

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They literally invented the “mysterious fall from a window”.

Although a grotesquely obese elderly man has to run the risk of a “heart attack”.

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Are you sure :scratch:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/03/4.jpg

:D

I read on hipforums Trump is running again Chris!!

Do you think he will make it in again?

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https://wapo.st/49GThTp

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https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-...se-2024-03-07/

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A fair assessment of who the Republican Party has picked as its presidential candidate.

https://x.com/bmay/status/1765805296...56-Kgau3lzowJw

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Biden scored points in his State of the Union address yesterday.

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/...76091628331412

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More fool them if they really think that the USA is doing anything other than looking after its own interest. Putin invading alaska is the only way that I can see USA getting involved .

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Only heard the first bit of it but I thought he did really well, from what I heard anyway

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I assumed he had had an injection of Monkey Glands or something similar.:D

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Hope you’re never in a jury presiding over me, if that’s your definition of fair.

Yes, There’s much in there that’s true, and much that isn’t or at the very least questionable.

As soon as you throw in a racist, almost immediately….whatever, another hack.

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I wonder how Trump will react to these allegations.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...laims-13092843

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No point. From his perspective the legal system is rigged against him, and it’s just handing it an opportunity to condemn him. At best it rules in his favour - undermining his claims the system is rigged.

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Ok Hitler did some *positive* things. He got Germany working again. He got their autobahns running. So on that basis yes he did do some good.

However the small matter of his plan for total extermination of Jewish people kind of overshadows that. Such a mass genocide has a habit of trumping (no pun intended) benefits to the economy.

I’m not suggesting I think the deranged orange tosspot would order the deaths of millions. But I’m convinced he has it in him to turn a blind eye to it happening in other countries if he believed allowing it to happen would help ‘make America great again’ (although many of us struggle to recall when his country was originally regarded as ‘great’).

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I’m sure he won’t give a duck.

He wouldn’t be wrong either.

Also Mussolini made the trains run on time*







* he didn’t but ….whatever.

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The orange nightmares already told Putin to Do what you want, as for hitler Gustav Stresemann got them out of hyper inflation and the nazis carried on the policies of Kurt von Schleicher's government that led to full employment, interestingly hitler did use the slogan make Germany great again more than once though

He got one train running on time once...

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This is a claim often made, however it’s a fallacy. If you’re assessing someone’s legacy you can’t pick an arbitrary end date, at which point you declare something a success. Otherwise, I could throw myself off a cliff and claim to have learned the secret of flight. And I will seem to have done so, until I hit the rocks - which is exactly what Hitler’s policies did to Germany. His economic and infrastructure reforms were directly linked to militarisation, misappropriation of wealth (mostly of Jews), then annexation of foreign territories and mobilisation of national sentiment by creating scapegoats (again, mostly against Jews). The ‘good’ Hitler did can’t be decoupled from the inevitable consequences of the way he went about it.

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https://wapo.st/49cQgt3

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If Trump does win ( because the Democrats insist on a geriatric), it will implode very quickly for him and the Republicans. Mainly because he isn't a Republican, he's a Trumpist. In it for himself, his own legal protection, and general madness.

Let's hope it doesn't result in the world imploding too, which is a real risk. Let him **** up his own country by all means.

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I’d be weary of conflating what you’d like to see happen and what you think will happen.

If Trump is elected there will be many Republicans down the ticket riding his coat tails all the way to Capitol Hill. They’re not an entirely altruistic species.

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I’m sure he’s devastated!

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Devastated the mob didn't hang Pence as planned?

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Actually as a narcissistic sociopath this will irritate Trump a fair bit. And Pence is a genuinely conservative politician, there are those who will take seriously what he says.

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Toys will be thrown out of the pram!

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More likely to be ketchup on the walls…

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He did away with Pence as an ally, friend or supporter after the last election. After Pence refused to void the election result.

What makes you think he wanted, or expected, Pence to be team Trump?

Trump doesn’t need a Pence endorsement, nor expected one. Also a Pence endorsement carries about as much weight as a termites shopping bag.

Someone said it this week and I forget where I heard it. I’m paraphrasing:

Biden is a weak proxy put forward by the party to communicate their plans, whereas Trump is the party.

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This is, for the “genuinely conservative politicians”, the biggest concern.

Trump has successfully captured the party to the extent it’s not even a debate. He’s not the outlier. “Anyone but Trump” is.

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You’re missing the point.

Your comment earlier (I’m sure he’s devastated) is not a million miles from the truth.

Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. Whether he needs Pence’s endorsement is by the by. The fact is he feels entitled to it and will be aggrieved not to receive it.

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And what happens to the party after the 77 year old morbidly obese junk food eating heart attack waiting to happen is not with us any more?

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A battle between Republicans to position themselves as the heir to Trump. Ivanka? Don Jr? DeSantis?

Traditional conservatism is deader on that side of the pond than it is on ours. And that’s saying something.

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When a political party becomes the personification of an individual, it’s no longer a political party, it’s a cult…

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If we take a step back how many vying to lead the Conservative Party have tried to portray themselves as following in the footsteps of Thatcher?

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Didn't do this guy any good....
Attachment 30930

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I think that will depend very much on who Trump tries to anoint as his successor.

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Let me guess, Trump Jr....

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And the orange one is now promising a 'bloodbath' if he's not elected by one means or another....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2513829.html

No wonder he admires Putin, not much difference in their election tactics.

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He said it will be a bloodbath for the US auto industry and economy, if he isn’t elected.

Meaning the democrats will destroy both.

But he’s used to having his words twisted.

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What he actually said

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I’m well aware of the whole quote, I read it, and the context of which it was given.

And I again repeat he was referring to the economic impact to the auto industry and the economy as a whole.

Unless you think he was talking about something else, happy to hear what you think he was talking about?

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I think he is deliberately vague, with the intent of being misinterpreted by his supporters to incite their anger (stochastic terrorism) and to then lash out at the mainstream media for taking a different interpretation. He frequently changes subject mid-sentence, causing confusion about what he’s talking about - deliberately or not, not sure…

Who uses "bloodbath" in reference to the auto industry?

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The poor innocent media….fine people on both sides……Jan 6th…..they do have a habit of misinterpreting.

I think deliberate would be giving him way too much credit.

His fuller quote was this, in referring to factories China is building in Mexico to sell EV cars into the USA

Words in bold added by me

Well he wasn’t talking about anything else, at the time.

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It makes no difference what ‘bloodbath’ was in reference to. Responsible politicians don’t use such turns of phrase because they know they rile up extremists. Extremist politicians do use such terms for the same reason.

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On the same basis, responsible media outlets shouldn’t report the statements out of context.

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Because of their age and health I'd be surprised if either see the end of their term.


TBPH no one should be allowed to run if they hit 74 during their term.


As Billy Connolly said "My dad's younger and we don't give him the remote for the TV"

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It’s strange as there is a lower limit.


I disagree though, age should not be a limiting factor.

Capability should though, and Biden is clearly incapable.

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If you are going to upper age limit the President (not an unreasonable step IMHO) the same should apply to Congress.

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Agreed.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/18/trum...wyers-say.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d-is-struggle/

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Sorry Pierre, I disagree. I can see the need for a lower limit (experience) but cannot see why no upper limit.

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His ego and his mouth getting him into trouble again.

but it's a rediculous figure, that he was probably never expected to achieve and a rediculous malicious case that's been brought against him.

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OK, we disagree then.

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If he can't raise the money, then will he have to spend some time behind bars?

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Glad to see we disagree. Looks like Trumps money pit has closed, wonder why he just doesn't ask Putin for the money. Or is that just another conspiracy theoery?

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Why are you not in favour of an upper limit? Particularly as you believe that at least one elderly US politician is suffering from cognitive issues.

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Well he did say ;
I agree, your ability should be a factor, not your age.

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Would that work in the US? We saw what Trump's doctor said about him! There would be litigation after litigation.

An age cut-off would be a clean way of managing things.

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The 25th amendment covers it,…somewhat. But is not specific.

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Yup, doesn't cut the mustard. Age does. A few snowflakes may complain it's unfair but it actually works.

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Two weeks ago - Shot

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/02/12355...-pay-his-legal


Today - Chaser

https://apnews.com/article/trump-cam...7e13a3462e5790

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He's not using any RNC funds. In fact if I have read that correctly he is adding to RNC funds.

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https://wapo.st/3PB2eFC

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Looks like the first Criminal trial could be underway on the 15th April 2024.

https://wapo.st/495PA8t

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The whole thing is a joke.

A supposed crime, with no victim.

A deliberately unpayable bond.

everyone can see it, and they're just making the public sympathise with Trump.

Canadian Millionaire Business man, Kevin O'Leary, from the US version of Dragons Den, who is not a Trump supporter as far as I can tell, is saying it looks bad on America and New York.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...s-not-america/

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That is the Trump supporter line but fraud is a real crime. If you lied to a bank to get a lower mortgage rate you could be done as well. Mortgage fraud is a thing here as well.

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Well when I ask the bank for a secured loan or mortgage, the bank looks at the property or item I’m securing the loan against and makes decision on whether their loan is secure or not.

If I went to Barclays and asked for a £550,000 mortgage to buy a 2up 2down mid-terrace house in Huddersfield, I’m pretty sure that would be looked into further.

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Yes, but then you haven’t spent most of your life carrying the reputation of a super-successful billionaire property mogul.

Let’s at least try to remember we’re talking about a court judgement here, arrived at through due process, and not merely something Trump has been accused of in some dank corner of the internet. And that ‘corrupt judges’ is another Trump campaign line rather than anything with substance to it.

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Trump was found guilty of falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and conspiracy to falsify business records.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68670289

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If it prevents him saying anything that could prejudice his case then of course. It's not really a "gag order" then.

But anything else would probably violate his 1st amendment rights.

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The gag order covers

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Meh, he's already broken it...

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Not sure if he has - the Truth Social post attacked the Judge and his daughter, and the jury (see what I did there ;)) is out on whether they are covered by the Gag Order…

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It would have to be a very big gag.

He's immune from anything and above the law. Everyone in the US courts that matter is too scared/biased/politicised. A sad state of affairs. Him and buddy Putin with a free hand doesn't bare thinking about. But it seems to be coming.

Even George Orwell wouldn't have thought this dark of our future.

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You're right Hugh. Neither the Judge, his family nor the D.A. are covered by the gag order. whether the Judge may now rectify it remains to be seen.

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“Bloodbath” has been used many times in the media talking about dire situations, bad market or political situations, exhibit A:

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/17...j84UokTCANDtnw

But as per usual, when Trump does it, he’s super bad inciting violence. :rolleyes:

Not that the pathetic & corrupt Democrats have never incited violence Hugh, like Maxine Waters telling her supporters if you see Republicans in the street, “you got to fight like hell”.

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It was Trump who said "'We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore.'" on January 6th…

What Maxine Walter’s said (in reference to the Walter Chauvin trial) was "Well, we gotta stay on the street. And we've got to get more active. We've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business".

Context is all - Walters was calling for justice for someone who had been murdered by a policeman, and Trump was calling for the Election results to be overturned.

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https://www.republicworld.com/world-...urfaces-watch/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1711801574

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Whatever he is smoking is still working.

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Sounds like someone left him alone with a cheap bottle of cooking wine.

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He doesn't drink, his big brother drank himself to death brcause his family are so toxic, simplist solution is that he's lost the plot cognitively and no amout of getting person, woman, grab, camera, tv, in the right order hides that decline, what a country, those two are the best they could come up with, still without them this country might be the worlds laughing stock

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Move along please, nothing to see here folks!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ust-2022-loans

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Think the court has rejected donnies bond, Mr Hankey didn't fill his forms in right and no that's not Mr Hankey the Christmas poo although he probably is a bit of a shit, anyone who makes money from usury generally is

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His greatest victory could also be his biggest vote loser , getting a right wing supreme court , could cost him a lot of votes . Clue Wade v Roe and younger women's vote. Just a thought

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https://wapo.st/3wy9o7f

I notice how they dont want Donny to speak..... I wonder why?? :D

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Possibly because there's a law against intimidating jurors and witnesses and commenting on them could be seen as intimidation?

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...case-109937362

Ah that explains it.......

Thats Hugh :)

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Thought lawyers do it all the time in court :shocked:

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Much as I agree, I don't think it matches the legal definition of intimidating witnesses.

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Of cause not ,who in reality created the laws in the first place. Do as I say not as I do. Would be interesting to see how MPs are connected to the law. :D

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Posted to the “Orange Turd”’s* Truth Social account and then hastily removed, a MAGA campaign video with the phrase ‘Creation of a unified Reich’ almost subliminally placed beneath the final few seconds.

https://x.com/7veritas4/status/17928...56-Kgau3lzowJw

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1716301719

*In testimony offered under oath earlier this month …

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Yesterday was Memorial Day in the USA, a federal holiday for honoring and mourning the U.S. military personnel who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces.

Here are the messages for that day from the last 3 Presidents…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1716903554

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1716903554

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1716903554

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So Memorial day...something something, oh poor me me me!

Typical Trump.