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Chris 04-04-2023 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36149196)
Sunak is polling better than his party.

https://www.ft.com/content/317d9cd3-...9-29026193f7e1
It’s too soon for them to try to use ‘brand Rishi’ as an electoral asset. If they do it now, when they’re likely to get a drubbing regardless, he becomes tarnished. They’re going to have to keep their heads and their expectations down. It also looks like a lot of Tory councillors have more or less de-branded their social media presences and are planning to fight entirely on whatever local issues they stand for.

Damien 04-04-2023 14:58
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Also Sunak's numbers are better relative to Johnson's final months and Truss's one month. He still isn't hugely popular, just not hated.

1andrew1 17-04-2023 13:34
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I wonder if this will be raised in PMQs?
Quote:
PM investigated over possible failure to declare wife's shareholding in childcare firm

Parliament's standards watchdog has opened an investigation into the prime minister over possible failure to declare an interest.

The probe by the standards commissioner, Daniel Greenberg, was launched on 13 April and cited paragraph 6 of the MPs code of conduct, which governs how MPs should behave.

The code states that "members must always be open and frank in declaring any relevant interest in any proceeding of the House or its committees, and in any communications with ministers, members, public officials or public office holders".

A Downing Street source said the investigation relates to the shares his wife Akshata Murthy holds in a childcare agency that could benefit from a policy announced in the budget.
https://news.sky.com/story/watchdog-...erest-12859407

Damien 17-04-2023 16:43
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Seems pretty minor. She is so rich she probably has shares all over the place. He should have declared it but he didn't avoid doing so because he wanted a nice little earner, just overlooked it because of how diverse her portfolio is I am guessing.

MPs get done by these kinds of oversights all the time. It's different to something like Owen Patterson where there was more intent.

TheDaddy 20-04-2023 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36150053)
Seems pretty minor. She is so rich she probably has shares all over the place. He should have declared it but he didn't avoid doing so because he wanted a nice little earner, just overlooked it because of how diverse her portfolio is I am guessing.
I actually thought the same but given the ingordigiousness of this government I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, you seen the latest in teesside, £100 million worth of public land sold off for £110, not £110 million, a hundred and ten quid

Sephiroth 21-04-2023 01:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36150233)
I actually thought the same but given the ingordigiousness of this government I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, you seen the latest in teesside, £100 million worth of public land sold off for £110, not £110 million, a hundred and ten quid
I’d like to see “the latest inTeeside”. Is there a link please?

TheDaddy 21-04-2023 02:36
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150244)
I’d like to see “the latest inTeeside”. Is there a link please?
It's in Private Eye, the piece is titled Asset Strip-Tees...

Hugh 21-04-2023 08:22
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I’d like to see “the latest inTeeside”. Is there a link please?


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1682062002

ianch99 21-04-2023 09:53
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Raab is toast

GrimUpNorth 21-04-2023 09:59
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150250)
Raab is toast
It always surprises me when completely innocent politicians resign.

1701-e 21-04-2023 10:03
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36150253)
It always surprises me when completely innocent politicians resign.
Lol lol lol

Sephiroth 21-04-2023 12:28
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It shocks me that the tail is allowed to wag the dog to death.


Hugh 21-04-2023 12:40
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150260)

It shocks me that the tail is allowed to wag the dog to death.

Not sure what you mean - could you clarify, please?

Sephiroth 21-04-2023 13:00
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The civil servants can now walk all over ministers who rebuke them for resisting policy.


ianch99 21-04-2023 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150265)

The civil servants can now walk all over ministers who rebuke them for resisting policy.

Funniest post of the day! Well done ..

TheDaddy 21-04-2023 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150265)

The civil servants can now walk all over ministers who rebuke them for resisting policy.

Can they or do ministers just have to avoid being bullying dicks

denphone 21-04-2023 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150265)

The civil servants can now walk all over ministers who rebuke them for resisting policy.

You obviously think bullying is acceptable then?

Mr K 21-04-2023 18:26
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Methinks the bully protests too much. If he's done nothing wrong why resign? He just comes across like a talentless dhead, who will scream if he doesn't get his way. Any other job and he would have been suspended long ago.

denphone 21-04-2023 18:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36150288)
Methinks the bully protests too much. If he's done nothing wrong why resign? He just comes across like a talentless dhead, who will scream if he doesn't get his way. Any other job and he would have been suspended long ago.
My mother worked in the civil service for quite a few years and was a victim of bullying for many years.

She used to come home in tears sometimes.

Paul 21-04-2023 23:24
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36150283)
You obviously think bullying is acceptable then?
That depends on who is defining it - its another much abused/overused word, again.

Sephiroth 22-04-2023 04:25
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36150283)
You obviously think bullying is acceptable then?
why don’t you Tory bashers open your eyes and minds rather than go with the group think?

If I was a minister trying to implement government policy, I wouldn’t want to have my efforts frustrated by the civil service. Raab is more or less saying this is what happens (same happened with Priti Patel). The CS in such instances need to be called out in a reasonable manner. If the called out person wants to claim bullying, and like minded colleagues see an opportunity for bringing the minister down, their evidence to the inquiry will be a killer.

You have no idea whether or not Raab crossed the line. But you’ll beliwve the anti-Tory group think and pile in.

No better than a kangaroo court, you and others of you ilk.




jfman 22-04-2023 07:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150306)
why don’t you Tory bashers open your eyes and minds rather than go with the group think?

If I was a minister trying to implement government policy, I wouldn’t want to have my efforts frustrated by the civil service. Raab is more or less saying this is what happens (same happened with Priti Patel). The CS in such instances need to be called out in a reasonable manner. If the called out person wants to claim bullying, and like minded colleagues see an opportunity for bringing the minister down, their evidence to the inquiry will be a killer.

You have no idea whether or not Raab crossed the line. But you’ll beliwve the anti-Tory group think and pile in.

No better than a kangaroo court, you and others of you ilk.

Did he raise issues in the appropriate manner with either Simon Case or his predecessor?

Dozens, indeed hundreds of Conservative ministers have led departments over the vast majority over the last 40 years without much incident. Raab, and Patel, are the outliers here. Not civil servants who have served Conservative ministers for the vast majority (or indeed, perhaps all) of their careers.

It’s worth noting Rishi Sunak picked the kangaroo.

Sephiroth 22-04-2023 08:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150307)
Did he raise issues in the appropriate manner with either Simon Case or his predecessor?

Dozens, indeed hundreds of Conservative ministers have led departments over the vast majority over the last 40 years without much incident. Raab, and Patel, are the outliers here. Not civil servants who have served Conservative ministers for the vast majority (or indeed, perhaps all) of their careers.

It’s worth noting Rishi Sunak picked the kangaroo.

In this case, I'm not convinced by what you say, John.

If you take this in the round with the coordinated union strikes, which include the Civil Service in part, and my view that the CS is essentially leftie (nothwithstanding the years of Tory rule), you might give Raab the benefit of the doubt.

Public confidence in bthe government and CS is now fading.

jfman 22-04-2023 08:08
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150308)

In this case, I'm not convinced by what you say, John.

If you take this in the round with the coordinated union strikes, which include the Civil Service in part, and my view that the CS is essentially leftie (nothwithstanding the years of Tory rule), you might give Raab the benefit of the doubt.

Public confidence in bthe government and CS is now fading.
I’ll agree public confidence in the Tories is in the toilet. Years of corruption and lies will do that to a political party with it’s pals trousering collective billions at the expense of the taxpayer.

I don’t think anyone, apart from a few Tories howling at the moon, has serious concerns over the ability of the Civil Service to serve this Government or the next.

Sephiroth 22-04-2023 08:11
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The CS will have no trouble serving Labour, imo.

Mr K 22-04-2023 09:03
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First it was the EU, then the BBC, then the last Govt, then remainers , then the NHS and now Civil Servants.

The Govt is running out of others to blame for the shambles this country is in.

12 years of failure.

Hugh 22-04-2023 09:07
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I think these comments from a couple of Ministers in today’s Times summed it up.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...47097bf07c0a4f

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However, a cabinet minister said he had brought it on himself by being “too much of the alpha male, too little empathy”. “This notion that it’s a conspiracy and that everyone will claim bullying is ridiculous,” the minister said. “In the end the flaws are on his side. Most good ministers should be completely comfortable. I’m not nervous at all. If you behave decently you shouldn’t be criticised like that.”

Another minister said Raab had messed up by failing to realise the power he wielded and the scrutiny he faced. “If you’re a minister you’re going to be under intense scrutiny, you have immense power and people are going to fear you, the only way to conduct yourself is with absolute goodwill and courtesy,” the minister said.

“We should be treating people with courtesy and respect and we shouldn’t be asking for sympathy if we don’t.”

For Raab, a martial arts black belt, “everything is karate”, the minister said. “He’s treated civil servants like karate opponents in the ring.”

Chris 22-04-2023 09:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36150313)
I think these comments from a couple of Ministers in today’s Times summed it up.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...47097bf07c0a4f
Be nice to people, don’t be a d*ck. Whodathunkit. Not Raab, apparently …

1andrew1 23-04-2023 08:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150307)
Dozens, indeed hundreds of Conservative ministers have led departments over the vast majority over the last 40 years without much incident. Raab, and Patel, are the outliers here. Not civil servants who have served Conservative ministers for the vast majority (or indeed, perhaps all) of their careers.
This is the essence of the issue.

TheDaddy 23-04-2023 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36150312)
First it was the EU, then the BBC, then the last Govt, then remainers , then the NHS and now Civil Servants.

The Govt is running out of others to blame for the shambles this country is in.

12 years of failure.
They're trying to blame the victims, it's pathetic, much the same as when they try and excuse it by saying he's only a bit of a bully, bit of a racist, bit corrupt because not all the charges are found guilty, broke the rules a bit, broke the law a bit

GrimUpNorth 23-04-2023 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36150410)
They're trying to blame the victims, it's pathetic, much the same as when they try and excuse it by saying he's only a bit of a bully, bit of a racist, bit corrupt because not all the charges are found guilty, broke the rules a bit, broke the law a bit
Well he looks so gormless I'm surprised he was even capable of being a little bit guilty.

Hugh 25-04-2023 20:45
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https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....itional-roots/

Quote:
Time Britain returned to its traditional roots

Decline is not inevitable. National conservatism could set us on a path to post-Brexit prosperity

DAVID FROST JACOB REES-MOGG

Next month the first National Conservatism Conference in the UK will take place in London. We will both be speaking, alongside a wide range of conservative scholars, commentators and other politicians, including two current Cabinet ministers. We are doing so because we are excited to contribute to the development of a movement that can bring new life to our conservative traditions in Britain and new energy for the challenges ahead.

What is the NatCon movement? At its heart, it is a belief in the nation state and the principle of national independence.
NatCon?

Mmmmm - I can see that being shortened to NatC… ;)

jfman 26-04-2023 10:33
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

The race to the bottom continues for Britain on its journey towards a failed state. Just accept you are poorer, people! Please don’t blame 40 years of failed macroeconomic policies. Enjoy your 90p bag of rice.

ianch99 26-04-2023 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150609)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

The race to the bottom continues for Britain on its journey towards a failed state. Just accept you are poorer, people! Please don’t blame 40 years of failed macroeconomic policies. Enjoy your 90p bag of rice.
But ... small boats! :D

Sephiroth 26-04-2023 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150612)
But ... small boats! :D
These people on small b oats have no right to be in the UK, especially when they're already in a safe country (that they also have no right to be in).

1. Mainly fit young men;
2. They throw away their documentation;
3. They throw away their mobile phones;
4. They thus intend deceiving the authorities;
5. We don't know who they are;
6. They get 4 star accommodation &d immediate access to medical facilities.

My family have paid into the system for decades yet my young grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months and has to live with here headache.

Your sarcastic joke is in extremely poor taste.

jfman 26-04-2023 11:41
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I doubt there are four months worth of small boat refugees in the queue in front of her, so that’s a red herring.

What is perhaps a far greater factor is the chronic underinvestment that underpins many aspect of public life in the UK. The health service. Water infrastructure. Rail. Digital infrastructure. If profits can’t be extracted - and sometimes offshored - in this country it doesn’t happen.

The family silver has been plundered. All that’s left is to extract the wealth of citizens through further privatisation and price hikes.

ianch99 26-04-2023 13:01
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150617)
These people on small b oats have no right to be in the UK, especially when they're already in a safe country (that they also have no right to be in).

1. Mainly fit young men;
2. They throw away their documentation;
3. They throw away their mobile phones;
4. They thus intend deceiving the authorities;
5. We don't know who they are;
6. They get 4 star accommodation &d immediate access to medical facilities.

My family have paid into the system for decades yet my young grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months and has to live with here headache.

Your sarcastic joke is in extremely poor taste.
You know I really thought that you were smarter than this. The clickbait triggers pushed out (small boats, culture wars, etc.) are designed to deflect from the reality of the state the country in it. It is the latter, not the former, that is the cause of the reasons that your grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months.

The cause of the broken country we now have? The party you belong to and vote for, not those who have no legal route to seek asylum in this country.

Sephiroth 26-04-2023 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150627)
You know I really thought that you were smarter than this. The clickbait triggers pushed out (small boats, culture wars, etc.) are designed to deflect from the reality of the state the country in it. It is the latter, not the former, that is the cause of the reasons that your grand daughter cannot get a blood test for four months.

The cause of the broken country we now have? The party you belong to and vote for, not those who have no legal route to seek asylum in this country.
Not at all. You know what I think of the state of the country and how my government has totally let us down.

I'm on about the sheer unfairness of there being a top medical service for illegal immigrants and a rubbish NHS for my grand daughter.

Hugh 26-04-2023 13:18
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"top medical service"

Citation, please?

btw, sad to see you parroting the CCHQ line about "illegal immigrants" - under current U.K. and International law, they are not illegal.

daveeb 26-04-2023 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36150629)
"top medical service"

Citation, please?

btw, sad to see you parroting the CCHQ line about "illegal immigrants" - under current U.K. and International law, they are not illegal.
My thoughts exactly. Perhaps they have a crack team of highly qualified clinicians living onsite ready to attend to any medical issues. :rolleyes:

Sephiroth 26-04-2023 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36150629)
"top medical service"

Citation, please?

btw, sad to see you parroting the CCHQ line about "illegal immigrants" - under current U.K. and International law, they are not illegal.
Trust you to be pedantic. You know what I mean about these migrants. They shouldn't be here, consuming £6m (or whatever) of our financial resources per day and getting medical attention on demand. No citation needed - just you being difficult.

jfman 26-04-2023 13:58
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150631)
Trust you to be pedantic. You know what I mean about these migrants. They shouldn't be here, consuming £6m (or whatever) of our financial resources per day and getting medical attention on demand. No citation needed - just you being difficult.
Small beer compared to the amount of our nation’s wealth being plundered by the Tories and their cronies.

Let alone what the Truss experiment cost us at the roulette wheel.

denphone 26-04-2023 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150633)
Small beer compared to the amount of our nation’s wealth being plundered by the Tories and their cronies.

Let alone what the Truss experiment cost us at the roulette wheel.
Indeed the money the Government has wasted in the past few years would make ones eyes water.

ianch99 26-04-2023 14:15
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150633)
Small beer compared to the amount of our nation’s wealth being plundered by the Tories and their cronies.

Let alone what the Truss experiment cost us at the roulette wheel.
The money spent here is tiny compared to all the other wasted billions yet people still are triggered by it? They don't get as angry about these other areas yet it is these policies & actions that are the basis for the anger this Government is feeding. It is sort of nation-based trolling.

jfman 26-04-2023 14:38
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150637)
The money spent here is tiny compared to all the other wasted billions yet people still are triggered by it? They don't get as angry about these other areas yet it is these policies & actions that are the basis for the anger this Government is feeding. It is sort of nation-based trolling.
Ultimately we’re living in a Ponzi scheme that’s collapsing. Profits from the future drove a one off windfall in privatisation. That money then got spaffed up the wall as they say.

Personal wealth has been driven by house prices - again pulling money from the future with ever increasing mortgage ratios and lengths. There’s nobody left to kick the can down the road to unless they do something wild like 40 year mortgages or 100 year mortgages.

But hey look over there - EU red tape and 8 folk on a dinghy.

Hugh 26-04-2023 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150631)
Trust you to be pedantic. You know what I mean about these migrants. They shouldn't be here, consuming £6m (or whatever) of our financial resources per day and getting medical attention on demand. No citation needed - just you being difficult.
Strange how you think pointing out something that you stated as illegal isn’t actually illegal is ‘pedantic’ - annoying when reality doesn’t match your views, isn’t it?

Meanwhile, back in reality…

Quote:
The Conservative Party has expelled MP Andrew Bridgen after he compared Covid-19 vaccines to the Holocaust and was found to have breached lobbying rules.

The member for North West Leicestershire had already lost the party whip, meaning he was sitting as an independent.

But the Tories have now stripped him of his party membership as well.
Mr Bridgen said his expulsion "confirms the culture of corruption, collusion and cover-ups".

A Conservative Party spokesman said Mr Bridgen was expelled "following the recommendation of a disciplinary panel".

He has 28 days, from the date of his expulsion on 12 April, to appeal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-65402195

1andrew1 26-04-2023 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36150631)
Trust you to be pedantic. You know what I mean about these migrants. They shouldn't be here, consuming £6m (or whatever) of our financial resources per day and getting medical attention on demand. No citation needed - just you being difficult.
They're consuming those resources for three main reasons:
- We take a long time to process their applications so potential nurses, HGV drivers, fruit-pickers etc are rendered economically inactive.
- We've declined France's suggestion that the UK allows them to claim asylum from France.
- We voted to leave the EU in 2016 which had allowed us to return such migrants to the EU country which they came from. I'm not sure Farage and Johnson emphasised we would lose this right.

Hugh 05-05-2023 20:12
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1683313877

And just for a little extra schadenfreude, Dally Mail headline from the day before the Election…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sters-say.html

Quote:
Tory surge shrinks Starmer’s hopes of local elections 'bloodbath': Boost for Rishi Sunak as Conservatives may lose far fewer seats than had been feared, pollsters say

The Conservatives may only lose 338 seats, much less than the 1,000 predicted*…


… It points to a major turn-around in the party’s ratings under Prime Minister Rishi Sunak…

… The projections by respected forecaster Electoral Calculus for the Daily Mail and based on the latest polling, found that Labour will gain 395 councillors. This figure would be likely to disappoint the party.

It would also leave the Conservatives with more seats than Labour out of the 8,057 being contested – 2,963 versus Labour’s 2,474.

Labour is projected to take control of nine more councils, only two of which are currently fully Conservative controlled.

The Tories will gain two more councils but lose 16, according to the Electoral Calculus study.
Narrator: "Meanwhile, back in the real world, the Conservatives lost over a thousand seats and 48 Councils…".


*nb - the 1000 seat prediction was by Greg Hands (Tory Party Chairman) who was doing the old trick of expectation management by predicting really bad results so that when they lost less, it could be called a "win" - ooopsie!!"

Paul 06-05-2023 01:04
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Well the conservatives may have lost 1060, but only half of them actually went to Labour.

The Lib Dems gained just over 400, and the Greens just under 250.

Damien 06-05-2023 13:05
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Looks like Labour did well in the former 'Red Wall' areas, maybe making them former former Red Wall areas, and Lib Dems took them apart in the 'Blue Wall'. Getting attacked from both sides.

Ms NTL 06-05-2023 14:39
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36151318)
Well the conservatives may have lost 1060, but only half of them actually went to Labour.

The Lib Dems gained just over 400, and the Greens just under 250.

Everybody here will be delighted to hear that my council is gone Lib Dem!!!! There might be God after all!

denphone 07-05-2023 06:06
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36151372)
Everybody here will be delighted to hear that my council is gone Lib Dem!!!! There might be God after all!
There is certainly a god down here as the Conservatives destruction of the trees did not go down well with the voting populace.

Sephiroth 07-05-2023 14:12
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36151372)
Everybody here will be delighted to hear that my council is gone Lib Dem!!!! There might be God after all!

That’ll be two car lanes to become one so that the other lane is for the two cyclists per fortnight; that’ll a week added on to bin collection intervals; that’ll be doubling of car park charges.

All that to give the Tories a kicking.



Ms NTL 07-05-2023 18:42
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36151398)
There is certainly a god down here as the Conservatives destruction of the trees did not go down well with the voting populace.
My council is Surrey Heath. We tried to see, whether if everyone switches from Labour to Lib- Dems will work, and it worked.

It is Michael Gove's seat.

Sarah Vine will be popping the Prosecco!

---------- Post added at 18:42 ---------- Previous post was at 18:38 ----------

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36151408)

That’ll be two car lanes to become one so that the other lane is for the two cyclists per fortnight; that’ll a week added on to bin collection intervals; that’ll be doubling of car park charges.

All that to give the Tories a kicking.


Don't tell me about it. I will have to pay the price for it. Idiotic policies are on their way, too many to mention. And my council tax from £3300 will be gone to £4000... (I hope for a cap)

We are getting organized to kick Gove out. ...but he has a huge majority

Mr K 07-05-2023 19:17
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If voters and opposition parties cotton on to tactical voting, withdrawing candidates in seats they have no chance, then the Tories are history. I do love a happy ending ;)

Paul 07-05-2023 19:31
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As the saying goes "be careful what you wish for".

Whoever eventually replaces them may not be any better.

Mr K 07-05-2023 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36151436)
As the saying goes "be careful what you wish for".

Whoever eventually replaces them may not be any better.
Not a great selling point, anybody else must be worse...

We might as well do away with elections altogether. The Gov probably know what best for t̶h̶e̶m̶ us

Hugh 10-05-2023 18:02
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https://news.sky.com/story/ex-tory-m...party-12877616

Quote:
Ex-Tory MP Andrew Bridgen sues Matt Hancock over COVID vaccine row after joining Laurence Fox's Reclaim Party

Matt Hancock accused Andrew Bridgen of being antisemitic after the MP likened the COVID vaccine to the Holocaust, which got Mr Bridgen suspended and then permanently expelled from the Conservative Party.

Mr Bridgen was expelled from the Conservative Party in April after claiming in January the COVID-19 vaccine was "the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust".

Former health secretary Mr Hancock, who remains suspended from the Tories for appearing on I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here, condemned Mr Bridgen's comments as "antisemitic" at the time.

Mr Bridgen announced on Wednesday he has now submitted a defamation claim to the High Court as he said Mr Hancock's comments were an attempt to "shut down valid concerns expressed by me".

He has launched a crowdfunding appeal for his legal action and said any excess funds will be donated to charities "supporting the COVID-injured and COVID-bereaved".

Mr Hancock has denied the allegations and called Mr Bridgen's legal action a "pathetic publicity stunt".
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1andrew1 10-05-2023 19:24
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36151436)
As the saying goes "be careful what you wish for".

Whoever eventually replaces them may not be any better.
I think mankind would still be living in caves if we followed that philosophy. :D

Paul 11-05-2023 03:15
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36151599)
I think mankind would still be living in caves if we followed that philosophy. :D
Nonsense. :sleep:

jfman 11-05-2023 08:56
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“esse cautus quid tu cupio enim”. Should put it on the union flag as the country gets poorer to remind people it could be worse.

(With apologies to any Latin speakers among us).

Paul 11-05-2023 16:01
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I dont speak latin, so I looked it up. :)

Hugh 12-05-2023 15:42
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Quote:
Kemi Badenoch says Brexiteer MPs are all talk in row over EU laws
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1...c934387343eb03

Quote:
Kemi Badenoch has accused Conservative Brexiteers of “talking not doing” as she robustly defended plans to scale back the government’s bonfire of Brussels rules and regulations.

In a forthright attack on Eurosceptic MPs, including her predecessor Jacob Rees-Mogg, the business secretary told TalkTV that while they were good at making “a lot of noise” they were “not the ones who have to do the doing”…

… Badenoch revealed that she had challenged Tory Brexiteers in a private meeting to tell her which laws they wanted to be scrapped and they had not given her a convincing answer.

“I asked MPs who had been in that meeting what they wanted to remove, and they couldn’t say anything,” she said. “I think that is more illustrative of the problem we have — that there are too many people who spend a lot of time talking. I need to do the thinking and the doing.”

Ms NTL 12-05-2023 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151697)
I really enjoyed, the Speaker telling her off for been sarcastic. He told her to f-off without using the exact words. She deserved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGTSf7bCxn8

Sephiroth 12-05-2023 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36151700)
I really enjoyed, the Speaker telling her off for been sarcastic. He told her to f-off without using the exact words. She deserved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGTSf7bCxn8
I agree. There was no need for her arrogance.

Mr K 12-05-2023 21:30
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Quote:
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 24% (-3)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
REF: 6% (-)
GRN: 4% (-2)

via @Omnisis, 11 - 12 May
Who are the 24% is the only question...

GrimUpNorth 12-05-2023 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36151728)
Who are the 24% is the only question...
To be fair, if I lived in Wokingham I'd vote for them just to keep John Redwood on Twitter. Since following him I find I've started to set my alarm 30 mins earlier than I used to just to give me more time to laugh at his daily doses of utter rubbish.

Hugh 12-05-2023 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36151731)
To be fair, if I lived in Wokingham I'd vote for them just to keep John Redwood on Twitter. Since following him I find I've started to set my alarm 30 mins earlier than I used to just to give me more time to laugh at his daily doses of utter rubbish.
Could be there’s something in the water at Wokingham… ;)

Sephiroth 12-05-2023 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151734)
Could be there’s something in the water at Wokingham… ;)
... but you don't know.

TheDaddy 12-05-2023 23:27
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151734)
Could be there’s something in the water at Wokingham… ;)
Let's hope it's not what is in most of our rivers... :sick:

Hugh 13-05-2023 01:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36151731)
To be fair, if I lived in Wokingham I'd vote for them just to keep John Redwood on Twitter. Since following him I find I've started to set my alarm 30 mins earlier than I used to just to give me more time to laugh at his daily doses of utter rubbish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151734)
Could be there’s something in the water at Wokingham… ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36151736)
[COLOR="Blue"]... but you don't know.
Quod Erat Demonstandum… :D

Ms NTL 13-05-2023 02:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151741)
Quod Erat Demonstandum… :D
ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι

The phrase quod erat demonstrandum is a translation into Latin from the Greek ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι (hoper edei deixai; abbreviated as ΟΕΔ).


qed or ΟΕΔ

That's how you finish a mathematical proof. \qed in latex

Maggy 13-05-2023 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36150633)
Small beer compared to the amount of our nation’s wealth being plundered by the Tories and their cronies.

Let alone what the Truss experiment cost us at the roulette wheel.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Hugh 13-05-2023 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36151742)
ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι

The phrase quod erat demonstrandum is a translation into Latin from the Greek ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι (hoper edei deixai; abbreviated as ΟΕΔ).


qed or ΟΕΔ

That's how you finish a mathematical proof. \qed in latex
"latex"? :naughty:

https://j.gifs.com/KYg9JN.gif

Hugh 15-05-2023 22:20
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1684184750

On a totally unrelated note, these people are huge fans of Boris Johnson*, and amongst the speakers are Michael Gove**, Lord Frost**, & Lee Anderson**

* divorced multiple times
** divorced

1andrew1 16-05-2023 00:01
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This tale of apparent corruption was highlighted by Private Eye earlier in the year but is being picked up more widely now by the FT and Sky.

It seems the South Tees Development Corporation transferred a 90% stake to two developers without a public tender. Those developers have taken out £45m in dividends but not invested in the redevelopment project themselves. The Development Corporation is chaired by the Conservative Mayor, Ben Houchen.

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Reports that private developers came to own 90% of the shares in the project without a public tender are a key concern raised by Labour.

Ms Nandy also highlights claims that "developers have already secured £45m in dividends despite failing to invest any of their own money in the project".

Labour states the taxpayer has invested "more than £260m, in addition to providing a public loan worth more than £100m".

After the steel plant in the Tees estuary closed in 2015, a company was set up to manage the regeneration of the sizeable industrial site.

Mr Houchen is the chair of the board of the South Tees Development Corporation.

It is the ownership of shares in this company which Ms Nandy raised in her letter to the NAO.

Ms Nandy said: "[The FT] report raises very serious questions. The government has handed over hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to a project that is now 90% in private ownership, while the private owners appear not to have put in a penny and pocketed millions.

"There seems to have been no scrutiny or basic oversight from ministers. Instead they've simply signed off on this deal and walked away.

"There must be a comprehensive, independent investigation to ensure the public interest is protected."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...bd9d388ed&ei=9
https://www.ft.com/content/c5c6a3f7-...0-d7088470cbb2

jfman 16-05-2023 05:10
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It can’t go as badly as national socialism… can it?

denphone 16-05-2023 06:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36151928)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1684184750

On a totally unrelated note, these people are huge fans of Boris Johnson*, and amongst the speakers are Michael Gove**, Lord Frost**, & Lee Anderson**

* divorced multiple times
** divorced
Indeed the good old practice as you preach hypocritical brigade.

1andrew1 16-05-2023 08:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36151934)
Indeed the good old practice as you preach hypocritical brigade.
That approach did not work out too well for John Major and his family values slogan.

ianch99 17-05-2023 10:00
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I think the Tories have sealed the deal on their period of time in the oblivion of opposition. Their endorsement of the NatC freak show will alienate a lot of their decent core base.

The highlight of the show was Braverman insisting it is not hypocritical for her, the child of migrants, to push for lower migration. :D

Sephiroth 17-05-2023 11:00
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Braverman was not being hypocritical. The migrant level we have is obviously accepted and Brits are Brits whatever their origin. For example Raab is of immigrant origin; is he a hypocrite in terms of the immigration matter? Maybe you are subconsciously biased.

denphone 17-05-2023 11:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152033)
I think the Tories have sealed the deal on their period of time in the oblivion of opposition. Their endorsement of the NatC freak show will alienate a lot of their decent core base.

The highlight of the show was Braverman insisting it is not hypocritical for her, the child of migrants, to push for lower migration. :D
Personally a two term spell on the oppostion benches might make the Conservative party actually come to their senses and realise once you go to the political extremes you are unlikely to get elected again..

jfman 17-05-2023 11:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152038)

Braverman was not being hypocritical. The migrant level we have is obviously accepted and Brits are Brits whatever their origin. For example Raab is of immigrant origin; is he a hypocrite in terms of the immigration matter? Maybe you are subconsciously biased.
I'm consciously biased against this despicable rabble of liars and thieves scapegoating other while they crash the economy for their vulture capitalist friends.

ianch99 17-05-2023 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152038)

Braverman was not being hypocritical. The migrant level we have is obviously accepted and Brits are Brits whatever their origin. For example Raab is of immigrant origin; is he a hypocrite in terms of the immigration matter? Maybe you are subconsciously biased.
Nah, Raab is just a moron. BTW, I was pointing out the off the chart irony re: Braverman

Pierre 17-05-2023 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36151934)
Indeed the good old practice as you preach hypocritical brigade.
Only in the same way a doctor that smokes too much and drinks too much, can and do advise you to cut down/ quit.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152033)
I think the Tories have sealed the deal on their period of time in the oblivion of opposition. Their endorsement of the NatC freak show will alienate a lot of their decent core base.

The highlight of the show was Braverman insisting it is not hypocritical for her, the child of migrants, to push for lower migration. :D
How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.

TheDaddy 17-05-2023 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152044)
Personally a two term spell on the oppostion benches might make the Conservative party actually come to their senses and realise once you go to the political extremes you are unlikely to get elected again..
Personally if Labour had an ounce of interest in doing what's best for the country they'd introduce PR to stop the worst excesses of minority Conservative governments of the last 50 ish years happening again but as they haven't, they won't, they've put themselves and party interest above the country


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152048)
How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.
30p Lee and Darren Grimes have values, if Ian is the benchmark they're the skidmark

daveeb 17-05-2023 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152048)
Only in the same way a doctor that smokes too much and drinks too much, can and do advise you to cut down/ quit.

---------- Post added at 12:52 ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 ----------



How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.

The doctor gives take it or leave it advice to their patient. The govt lays the law down to the entire country. Bit of a difference.

As for the governmental standards they hit rock bottom and continued digging a long time ago. If you don't agree you've probably been floating in the ether too long.

ianch99 17-05-2023 14:21
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152048)
How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.
Bless.

Today's speakers include: David Starkey, Lord Frost, Darren Grimes and Toby Young with a closing speech from Lee Anderson.

Rishi Sunak Defends Suella Braverman’s Appearance at ‘National Conservatism’ Event Alongside ‘Great Replacement’ Conspiracy Theorists and Covid Deniers

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Speakers at previous events have included the Hungarian Prime Minister, and autocrat, Viktor Orban, the book-banning Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis and the far-right Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

Other speakers due to appear at the event in London next week include the right-wing commentator Douglas Murray, who has previously described the UK capital as a “foreign country” due to the large number of ethnic minority citizens living there and given credence to the far-right conspiracy theory that Britain and other majority-white Western countries are victims of a “Great Replacement” by migrant populations.

He was also accused of Islamophobia after suggesting that “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board”. At the time, Murray’s comments reportedly led to David Cameron’s government breaking off relations with him.

Other figures connected to the event have also pushed the ‘Great Replacement’ theory. One of the signatories of the organisation’s manifesto, David Azerrad, has previously suggested that Western migration policies are being deliberately used for the importation of “untold millions of peoples of different colors, creeds and cultures for decades on end”, adding that “this is what tyrants do to conquer a broken people, to pacify them.”

Also due to speak at the event is the disgraced historian David Starkey, who was widely condemned after previously saying that slavery was not genocide as “otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or in Britain.” Starkey was last week forced to deny further allegations of racism after accusing the Prime Minister himself of being “not fully grounded in our culture” due to his Hindu faith.

Other scheduled speakers include the Trump-supporting US Senator JD Vance who wants a nation-wide ban on abortion in the States. When previously asked whether any ban should include exceptions for rape and incest, he replied that "two wrongs don't make a right."

Other so-called Covid ‘skeptics’ at the event include the commentator Toby Young, who was previously criticised by the press regulator IPSO after writing a “significantly misleading” anti-lockdown column which suggested people who had recovered from the common cold could have “natural immunity” to Covid-19.

NatCon is designed to support the Conservative Nationalism (CN) movement which is based in the evangelical Christian Right. The group’s Statement of Principles includes demands for nations to be governed on the basis of “humility and gratitude before God and fear of his judgment”, while also backing immigration moratoriums and opposing what it describes as the “grave threat” of “ever more radical forms of sexual license and experimentation as an alternative to the responsibilities of family and congregational life”.
As I said, a freak show.

Pierre 17-05-2023 15:45
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152058)
Bless.

Today's speakers include: David Starkey, Lord Frost, Darren Grimes and Toby Young with a closing speech from Lee Anderson.

Rishi Sunak Defends Suella Braverman’s Appearance at ‘National Conservatism’ Event Alongside ‘Great Replacement’ Conspiracy Theorists and Covid Deniers



As I said, a freak show.
Or people far more interesting than you.

ianch99 17-05-2023 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152059)
Or people far more interesting than you.
I guess we know where your politics is at the moment. The good news is that the majority of the country are so far away from what this clown show of a conference represents.

Here's one of your "interesting" people:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...unches-348572/

Quote:
Katharine Birbalsingh

Tory-supporting parents have been advised to take their children out of schools that are “too woke” by the UK’s ‘strictest headteacher’.

Addressing the National Conservatism Conference in London, Katharine Birbalsingh warned right-wingers that conservatives “will lose our country” in a bizarre rant.

She urged them to “stand up and be counted” as she said her staff are ostracised for not being liberal-minded.

In 2016, it was revealed that the free school “superhead” forced children to sit in detention if their parents cannot afford to pay for school lunches.

Birbalsingh issued parents with a letter threatening to punish pupils with “lunch isolation” if their lunch payments were not made on time.

Parents were told their children would be given a sandwich and a piece of fruit in place of their hot meal and separated from their friends at lunch time until the debts were paid off.

She also said people from poor backgrounds should not aim for Oxbridge – and should take “smaller steps” instead in her first speech as the Chairman of the Social Mobility Commission.

Pierre 17-05-2023 17:47
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Quote:
In 2016, it was revealed that the free school “superhead” forced children to sit in detention if their parents cannot afford to pay for school lunches.

Birbalsingh issued parents with a letter threatening to punish pupils with “lunch isolation” if their lunch payments were not made on time.

Parents were told their children would be given a sandwich and a piece of fruit in place of their hot meal and separated from their friends at lunch time until the debts were paid off.
If you read the stories referenced (which I'm sure you didn't) you would see:

This is in regards to people that can afford school dinner not paying for them.

I pay for my kids dinners.

It's not about people that were on free school dinners.

Parents owing up to £75, if they can't pay then they should seek the assistance that is available. Why should the school pay for parents that can't be arsed?

Quote:
She also said people from poor backgrounds should not aim for Oxbridge – and should take “smaller steps” instead in her first speech as the Chairman of the Social Mobility Commission.
She didn't say that that either, she said the focus of policy should not be on pushing a few kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to elitist universities or careers but to lift a whole generation of kids into improved education and good job outcomes.

Some will go to uni, but not to focus on them and leave the other kids to wallow on the council estates they need to elevated themselves from.

Seems like a good policy to me......unless you're against kids from poorer backgrounds bettering themselves?

This was what Labour was about, good paying jobs for all, with no need to attend Uni, if it wasn't for you.

Which to be to honest, after Blair, the left don't seem to care about nowadays.

jfman 17-05-2023 19:57
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Where else can council estate kids rub shoulders with the future generation of corrupt politicians?

We could have a budding Baroness Mone or Matt Hancock’s landlord waiting to extort the taxpayer missing out just because they grew up in poverty and missed the opportunity to mingle with the elites. Surely a social mobility commissioner would recognise the benefits of such opportunities.

ianch99 17-05-2023 19:59
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152063)
If you read the stories referenced (which I'm sure you didn't) you would see:

This is in regards to people that can afford school dinner not paying for them.

I pay for my kids dinners.

It's not about people that were on free school dinners.

Parents owing up to £75, if they can't pay then they should seek the assistance that is available. Why should the school pay for parents that can't be arsed?



She didn't say that that either, she said the focus of policy should not be on pushing a few kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to elitist universities or careers but to lift a whole generation of kids into improved education and good job outcomes.

Some will go to uni, but not to focus on them and leave the other kids to wallow on the council estates they need to elevated themselves from.

Seems like a good policy to me......unless you're against kids from poorer backgrounds bettering themselves?

This was what Labour was about, good paying jobs for all, with no need to attend Uni, if it wasn't for you.

Which to be to honest, after Blair, the left don't seem to care about nowadays.
Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.

Just watch her keynote speech at the NatC conference:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1658134915202834433

Barking mad ...

1andrew1 17-05-2023 20:01
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152069)
Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.

Just watch her keynote speech at the NatC conference:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1658134915202834433

Barking mad ...
A sandwich short of a lunch box. :D

ianch99 17-05-2023 20:05
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
As illustration on how far and how quickly the Tories have lurched to the right, it was only 3 years ago when:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...peech-21444877

Quote:
A Tory MP who spoke at a conference alongside "some of Europe's most notorious far-right politicians" has been given a slap on the wrist from the party.

The Conservative Party has issued Daniel Kawczynski with a "formal reprimand" after he attended the National Conservatism conference in Rome alongside Hungary's far-right prime minister Viktor Orban.

A Tory spokesperson said: “Daniel Kawczynski has been formally warned that his attendance at this event was not acceptable, particularly in light of the views of some of those in attendance, which we utterly condemn."

"He is expected to hold himself to higher standards. Daniel has accepted this and apologised.”
and now the same organisation's conference in 2023 is packed with Tories.

jfman 17-05-2023 20:25
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
In fairness with Starmer moving to the right he’s leaving the Tories nowhere to go.

ianch99 17-05-2023 20:56
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152072)
In fairness with Starmer moving to the right he’s leaving the Tories nowhere to go.
Maybe but they don't have to go full on to the right of Atilla The Hun :)

jfman 17-05-2023 21:53
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152076)
Maybe but they don't have to go full on to the right of Atilla The Hun :)
If they scrape a hung Parliament out the next election one might argue it’s because they did. The dog whistle works, sadly.

1andrew1 17-05-2023 23:08
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152077)
If they scrape a hung Parliament out the next election one might argue it’s because they did. The dog whistle works, sadly.
That didn't work out too well for them at the recent local elections though.

ianch99 18-05-2023 08:27
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152080)
That didn't work out too well for them at the recent local elections though.
I agree. They think that the red meat they are selling will buy them power again but I really do think that there are enough decent people in this country to see through this. The Tories, in their current form, are watching their Rome burn while they fiddle ...


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