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Gavin78 27-02-2022 23:47
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I think there is too much news coverage on this that doesn't need to be, papers blowing it up about nuclear war, repeating the same stories over and over again. Sky news is bad for this. You'll see breaking news on the same article different picture and it looks like they have updated it from 3 hours before hand and nothing is new.

Social media is worse, Russia bots, people posting articles and vidoes not even associated to the event that is happening.

I try to stay away from it a lot of people can go stir crazy spending too much time following it.

TheDaddy 28-02-2022 06:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114951)
EU ban all Russian Jets, including private jets belonging to oligarchs from entering, taking off, flying over and landing anywhere within the EU. They have also banned Russia Today, Sputnik from broadcasting in their territories.
This is an excellent sanction, go after the oligarchs families to, stop them spending, stop them travelling, stop their kids going to fancy schools and that'll bite right at the heart of the inner circle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36114979)
The Ukrainian government has announced it is establishing an "international legion" for foreigners wishing to travel to the country to help fight against Russian invaders.

The Foreign Secretary has indicated the UK is not against Britons joining.
The foreign secretary is a clown, I was swept along with the idea till I actually thought about it, unless you're ex military or a gun nut what possible use are you going to be on the front line, you'll get yourself or others killed pointlessly, there's an argument for going if your a hgv driver or a medic but ordinary civilians would be better of staying at home, working and donating as much or little as the think appropriate to the Red Cross imho. If anyone does go they face the risk of bring classed a terrorist or falling foul of our anti mercenary laws, unlikely they'd prosecute admittedly but illegal never the less

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115006)
I wonder how long they can pay their army properly with these sanctions.
Russian soldiers will endure deprivations people wouldn't believe and they have done since the birth of their nation. That said the rouble has fallen 26% overnight and there are reports that cash points are running out of cash



Some other things that occurred to me or I heard are how united we as allies have all been, pretty much all singing the same tune throughout, hopefully makes China think twice about Taiwan, think I heard Von der Leyen say she wanted Ukraine to join the EU, can't see how that's helpful at this stage tbh

RichardCoulter 28-02-2022 07:13
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News on Radio 4 says that the fall in the rouble is now 45%.

ianch99 28-02-2022 07:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36114993)
I know these are disturbing times but it would help you no end if you stay away from rolling news tonight and then talk through your worries face to face with someone you trust tomorrow.
Good advice :tu:

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115009)
Take a couple of tamazipan and go to bed.
Your response when compared to Chris's says it all

Maggy 28-02-2022 07:47
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I am currently checking out and finding as many cute dog,cat and baby videos as I can. I have faith that the vast majority of the world will see common sense and support the path of unity against Putin’s shameful grab at Ukraine. I still keep wondering why Putin is doing this now. What’s changed for him? He’s the same age as me(we share the same birth date) and frankly doesn’t look 69 unlike me. Has he gone senile?Has he got a brain tumour? Why now?

Chris 28-02-2022 07:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36115018)
I am currently checking out and finding as many cute dog,cat and baby videos as I can. I have faith that the vast majority of the world will see common sense and support the path of unity against Putin’s shameful grab at Ukraine. I still keep wondering why Putin is doing this now. What’s changed for him? He’s the same age as me(we share the same birth date) and frankly doesn’t look 69 unlike me. Has he gone senile?Has he got a brain tumour? Why now?
There’s a fair amount of analysis out there. Partly, he was always going to try something like this eventually. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool ethnic Russian nationalist and Kiev is surprisingly symbolic for such people because this is where the Russian Orthodox Church was originally founded. The ties between church and state have always been extremely strong in Russia, with the brief exception of its Soviet period.

Putin has an emperor complex and in order for him to feel he properly controls everything he is entitled to, the government in Kiev must be compliant. He tried to instal such a regime before but it was overthrown. Until now his efforts to rectify that have focused on nibbling around the edges of Ukraine. As to why he’s gone full Tonto now; well he is known to have been extremely paranoid about covid and is known to have kept everyone at arms length for 2 years now. It seems to have fed his general paranoia and now nobody can get close enough for long enough to talk him down. Only yes men can even get in the same room now. This is why making it painful for them is a key strategy. Putin isn’t going to change, but eventually the price of propping him up in his delusions will exceed the price of challenging him.

Damien 28-02-2022 08:50
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There was also an alternative outcome to this in Putin's head where Ukraine falls quickly, the West has a divided response and imposes weak sanctions and Putin secures Ukraine as a puppet state looking like a genius in doing so. Another Crimea.

The West was weak in Russia when he annexed Crimea and it was weak when he deployed a biological weapon on British soil. He probably didn't expect that this would be the line when the West has had enough and finally imposes biting sanctions. There is so much news that it's hard to keep up but Germany has abandoned decades of reticence about militarisation, Switzerland appears to be willing to abandon neutrality and sanction Russian bankers and the West has united to impose the biggest set of sanctions it's ever applied to Russia. A week ago people were saying Putin had sanction-proofed the Russian economy because of the foreign reserves he built up, so we just sanctioned them.

Most importantly Ukraine proved more resistance than I think anyone outside of Ukraine predicted. That has also been a reason the West has rallied around sensing that this time we can stop him.

The way the West has finally woken up and showed it's strength is one positive to take from all of this.

Chris 28-02-2022 09:36
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115021)
There was also an alternative outcome to this in Putin's head where Ukraine falls quickly, the West has a divided response and imposes weak sanctions and Putin secures Ukraine as a puppet state looking like a genius in doing so. Another Crimea.

The West was weak in Russia when he annexed Crimea and it was weak when he deployed a biological weapon on British soil. He probably didn't expect that this would be the line when the West has had enough and finally imposes biting sanctions. There is so much news that it's hard to keep up but Germany has abandoned decades of reticence about militarisation, Switzerland appears to be willing to abandon neutrality and sanction Russian bankers and the West has united to impose the biggest set of sanctions it's ever applied to Russia. A week ago people were saying Putin had sanction-proofed the Russian economy because of the foreign reserves he built up, so we just sanctioned them.

Most importantly Ukraine proved more resistance than I think anyone outside of Ukraine predicted. That has also been a reason the West has rallied around sensing that this time we can stop him.

The way the West has finally woken up and showed it's strength is one positive to take from all of this.
The more I read, the more I discover that we’ve been arming and training the Ukrainian army for years now. We’ve had special forces in country for ages, and I hear talk of strategically hidden arms dumps designed to support the tactics the Ukrainians have deployed this past week, letting the Russian spearhead pass by and then taking out the supply lines behind them.

I’m beginning to think that this was long expected, long prepared for, and long hoped to be the line in the sand, and the open sharing of intel and weapons was offered as a final way out for Putin, who clearly had been planning this exact operation for many months. And I’m convinced we knew it too.

Even so, the leading nations of the western alliance can barely have hoped for such a massive, united response. Modern Germany finding itself capable of militaristic thinking is quite something. Khazakstan waking up to what being a Russian puppet state might feel like, and refusing to back Putin only months after relying on Russian force to put down an insurrection, is amazing.

1andrew1 28-02-2022 09:38
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36115014)
The foreign secretary is a clown, I was swept along with the idea till I actually thought about it, unless you're ex military or a gun nut what possible use are you going to be on the front line, you'll get yourself or others killed pointlessly, there's an argument for going if your a hgv driver or a medic but ordinary civilians would be better of staying at home, working and donating as much or little as the think appropriate to the Red Cross imho. If anyone does go they face the risk of bring classed a terrorist or falling foul of our anti mercenary laws, unlikely they'd prosecute admittedly but illegal never the less.
I agree. When I heard her speak, I thought that unless you had the skills they needed, spoke a relevant language and knew the country, you would be more of a liability than an asset to Ukraine.

Truss never comes across as Ministerial let alone Prime Ministerial in such pressurised situations. Her enthusiasm to tell people want they want to hear lets her down. The Defence Minister, Ben Wallace, has corrected her.
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Mr Wallace was also asked about comments from Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, who told LBC on Sunday that she supported anyone who wanted to travel to Ukraine to help fight Russian forces.

He said that for those without military experience, there were "better ways" to help.

The defence secretary said his cabinet colleague was right that it was a "just cause", but he said: "If you're keen to help and you're a United Kingdom citizen, come and join our armed forces."

He continued: "Look, there are people who will go... I think what I would say is unless you are properly trained, unless you are a - you know - experienced member of an armed forces, I think there are better ways for you to contribute to the security of Ukraine."
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...-says-12553846

tweetiepooh 28-02-2022 10:32
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I thought that what our foreign secretary said in effect that we wouldn't stop people going rather that supporting then if they did. There will be Ukrainian born/related UK citizens who want to "go home" and that's very different from some "hard nuts" who just want to go.


Our church group has churches in Ukraine so we are praying for them and supporting as they want us to. One prayer that I have is that Ukrainians treat Russian prisoners and injured well. The more they can show that Russians do not need to fight to the death to avoid capture the better. Operation World shows Ukraine as 79% Christian, I pray that they behave like that.

Mick 28-02-2022 10:37
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Ukraine 96 hours later, is still Ukraine.

Tom Newton Dunn: Anti tank missiles supplied by the UK and others are “making mincemeat of Russian armour”, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace tells @TimesRadio.

Latest UK Intel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646044484

Russian bank values are falling like their tanks on the battlefield:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646044578

ianch99 28-02-2022 10:49
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Apparently the EU will supply Russian-made fighter jets to Ukraine. Important milestone.

Sephiroth 28-02-2022 11:03
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115030)
Apparently the EU will supply Russian-made fighter jets to Ukraine. Important milestone.


https://euobserver.com/world/154450

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EU defence ministers will discuss how to get European weapons to the front line in Ukraine on Monday (28 February), after central banks wake up to new Russia economic sanctions.

Fighter planes are to be transferred to the Ukrainian air force alongside deliveries of smaller items, such as shoulder-fired anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles for the Ukrainian army, EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell said late Sunday.

Thousands of anti-war protestors at Berlin's victory column on Sunday - the protest stretched another 2km to the Brandenburg Gate (Photo: Matt Tempest)
"We are going to provide even fighter jets", Borrell said. "We are not talking about just ammunition. We are providing the most important arms to go to war," he said.
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Poland was acting as a "logistics hub" for the arms deliveries to its neighbour after the Russian invasion closed Ukrainian skies to foreign planes.

And EU defence ministers, meeting Monday, will discuss "how this materiel is transported to the front line," Borrell said. "The western borders of Ukraine are still open as far as I know," he said.
Putin may well decide that this is a provocation too far from the West and take military action against Poland. And, of course, there need to be operable airfields with the right fuel supply available to Ukraine. Very dangerous situation developing here.

mrmistoffelees 28-02-2022 11:06
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According to the The Jerusalem post Roman Abramovich is at the ongoing talks between Russia & Ukraine

Chris 28-02-2022 11:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36115026)
I thought that what our foreign secretary said in effect that we wouldn't stop people going rather that supporting then if they did. There will be Ukrainian born/related UK citizens who want to "go home" and that's very different from some "hard nuts" who just want to go.


Our church group has churches in Ukraine so we are praying for them and supporting as they want us to. One prayer that I have is that Ukrainians treat Russian prisoners and injured well. The more they can show that Russians do not need to fight to the death to avoid capture the better. Operation World shows Ukraine as 79% Christian, I pray that they behave like that.
It transpires that BMS World Mission has spent the last several years training and equipping Baptist churches especially in eastern Ukraine to function as food banks/reception centres for displaced people. I’m sure they’re not the only ones.

It has been noted in the media recently that for Ukraine, this war really began in 2014.

Sephiroth 28-02-2022 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115035)
According to the The Jerusalem post Roman Abramovich is at the ongoing talks between Russia & Ukraine
From the Jerusalem Post:

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Russian-Israeli billionaire Roman Abramovich, at the request of Ukraine, is in Belarus assisting in the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine as part of an effort to end the ongoing war, The Jerusalem Post has learned. Abramovich was asked by the Ukrainians to help in enabling the talks, and has traveled to Belarus to participate in the discussions.

GrimUpNorth 28-02-2022 11:23
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Just been reading that the An-225 Mriya is one of the casualties.

Mick 28-02-2022 11:41
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115035)
According to the The Jerusalem post Roman Abramovich is at the ongoing talks between Russia & Ukraine
Wtf is he doing there, jeez I can imagine, please, Ukrainians, I have a lucrative British football club, I have to get back to.

Is this the best they can do, send in a billionaire?

What diplomatic experience does he have at all?

ianch99 28-02-2022 11:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115033)


https://euobserver.com/world/154450





Putin may well decide that this is a provocation too far from the West and take military action against Poland. And, of course, there need to be operable airfields with the right fuel supply available to Ukraine. Very dangerous situation developing here.
Attacking a NATO member is something, I feel, that the Russian military may not sanction. Putin may be taken out at this stage.

(Very) speculative rumours that Valery Gerasimov, Russia's Chief of the General Staff (the highest ranking officer of Russia's armed forces) has been fired by Putin.

1andrew1 28-02-2022 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115042)
Wtf is he doing there, jeez I can imagine, please, Ukrainians, I have a lucrative British football club, I have to get back to.

Is this the best they can do, send in a billionaire?

What diplomatic experience does he have at all?
I'm somewhat bewildered by this development.

Abramovich reportedly made his money by acquiring Russian state assets then selling them back to the state at a profit so I guess he's trusted by Putin. And trusted by Zelenskyy as he is of the same faith?

Hom3r 28-02-2022 11:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36115040)
Just been reading that the An-225 Mriya is one of the casualties.

Sad if it has.


It is a truly massive plane, I heard it land at Glasgow Prestwick, then as I was taking off. Unfortunately I only had a 1mega pixel phone camera.

Mick 28-02-2022 12:11
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BREAKING: Russian state media sites 'hacked' to display messages such as: 'Putin is forcing us to lie and is putting us in danger...It's not our war, let's stop him!' - Sky News.

papa smurf 28-02-2022 12:33
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RUSSIA's central bank has announced the Moscow Exchange will remain closed today amid fears share prices of major companies could be hit by recent sanctions.

oops looks like going brokevich


https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...ral-bank-putin

Mick 28-02-2022 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver Carroll - The Economist Correspondent
Really graphic images coming from near centre of Kharkiv right now — hit, it would seem, by a Russian rocket strike. Corpses. Women without legs. I’m not going to post it. But my god. All this during peace negotiations.
I just don’t buy Russia’s sincerity here at all, but no one ever should.

GrimUpNorth 28-02-2022 12:41
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Just been to Sainsbury's for petrol and half the pumps out of service. Speaking to the chap on the till and he said it's been absolute mayhem for the last 24 hours.

mrmistoffelees 28-02-2022 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36115050)
Just been to Sainsbury's for petrol and half the pumps out of service. Speaking to the chap on the till and he said it's been absolute mayhem for the last 24 hours.

Understandable, price of oil is only going to continue to go up in the short term, people trying to fill up before prices more increases are passed on.

Silly though....

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Well done Liz.... :D:D:D


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...-says-12554048

RichardCoulter 28-02-2022 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36115019)
There’s a fair amount of analysis out there. Partly, he was always going to try something like this eventually. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool ethnic Russian nationalist and Kiev is surprisingly symbolic for such people because this is where the Russian Orthodox Church was originally founded. The ties between church and state have always been extremely strong in Russia, with the brief exception of its Soviet period.

Putin has an emperor complex and in order for him to feel he properly controls everything he is entitled to, the government in Kiev must be compliant. He tried to instal such a regime before but it was overthrown. Until now his efforts to rectify that have focused on nibbling around the edges of Ukraine. As to why he’s gone full Tonto now; well he is known to have been extremely paranoid about covid and is known to have kept everyone at arms length for 2 years now. It seems to have fed his general paranoia and now nobody can get close enough for long enough to talk him down. Only yes men can even get in the same room now. This is why making it painful for them is a key strategy. Putin isn’t going to change, but eventually the price of propping him up in his delusions will exceed the price of challenging him.
I've read some analysis that says that pulling out of Afghanistan encouraged Putin to do this not too long after.

mrmistoffelees 28-02-2022 13:24
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to add again....

I'm not sure why the Ukraine are trusting Belarus as the location for talks considering;

1. They've actively allowed Russian forces to travel through their country to attack.
2. There are rumours nothing more than rumours i should say, that will potentially supply troops to fight alongside the russians.

RichardCoulter 28-02-2022 13:31
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I wouldn't trust Russia with these talks, they were dropping bombs overnight. If you thought there was any chance of a peaceful resolution, you wouldn't do that.

I think that our Government should have advised non trained people not to go to help fight Rusdia as they are only going to get themselves killed.

Still, most citizens of the Ukraine won't be trained, but are prepared to fight for their country. It would also be impossible to dissuade any Ukrainian people living here who want to return home to help with the fight against Putin.

Mick 28-02-2022 13:45
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Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov cancels trip to UN in Geneva due to EU airspace ban. -AFP News Agency.

Unlucky-Sucks doesn’t it Russia?!

Pierre 28-02-2022 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36115050)
Just been to Sainsbury's for petrol and half the pumps out of service. Speaking to the chap on the till and he said it's been absolute mayhem for the last 24 hours.
Never underestimate the UK idiots ability to panic.

heero_yuy 28-02-2022 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115062)
Never underestimate the UK idiots ability to panic.
It'll be toilet rolls, pasta and tinned tomatoes next. It was already looking bare in Lidl Saturday. :rolleyes:

Hugh 28-02-2022 14:27
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Probably no connection, but a noisy fairly low-level fast mover just went overhead 10 minutes ago, and when I looked for it on Flightradar24, I got this…

(No call sign, no info, but looks like it took off from Menwith Hill…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1646058270

Currently at 1800 feet and 160 knots just above South Killingholme in Lincolnshire.

Carth, you been up to something? ;)

Now at 5000 feet and 400 knots above York…

Just noticed there’s a couple of USAF F-15E Strike Eagles bimbling about just Withernsea - wonder if it’s connected?

Update at 14:40 - "no call sign" has dropped off Flightradar24…

TheDaddy 28-02-2022 14:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115042)
Wtf is he doing there, jeez I can imagine, please, Ukrainians, I have a lucrative British football club, I have to get back to.

Is this the best they can do, send in a billionaire?

What diplomatic experience does he have at all?
He was governor of Chukota for nearly a decade and he's a close friend of Putin, possibly a smart move, the Russians are unlikely to try something underhand with such a high profile, important guest present

Pierre 28-02-2022 14:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115065)
Probably no connection, but a noisy fairly low-level fast mover just went overhead 10 minutes ago, and when I looked for it on Flightradar24, I got this…

(No call sign, no info, but looks like it took off from Menwith Hill…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1646058270

Currently at 1800 feet and 160 knots just above South Killingholme in Lincolnshire.

Carth, you been up to something? ;)

Now at 5000 feet and 400 knots above York…

Just noticed there’s a couple of USAF F-15E Strike Eagles bimbling about just Withernsea - wonder if it’s connected?

Update at 14:40 - "no call sign" has dropped off Flightradar24…
Well looking at were it originated it must be VTOL as there's no airfields that I know of at that location!

ianch99 28-02-2022 14:59
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Sky News is reporting Russians using cluster munitions in Kharkiv:

Ukraine invasion: 'Cluster munition' strikes buildings in Kharkiv as 'dozens killed' in mass shelling

Hugh 28-02-2022 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115067)
Well looking at were it originated it must be VTOL as there's no airfields that I know of at that location!
V-22 Ospreys have been spotted there before…

ianch99 28-02-2022 15:38
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Wow ...

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/sta...14321138491392

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BREAKING - The EU has asked its satellite centre in Madrid to provide intelligence to Ukraine about Russian troop movements, the EU's head diplomat said.

"Relations with Russia will no longer be determined by trade," he said.

Carth 28-02-2022 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115065)
<snip>
Currently at 1800 feet and 160 knots just above South Killingholme in Lincolnshire.

Carth, you been up to something? ;)

. . . . Update at 14:40 - "no call sign" has dropped off Flightradar24…

Nope, been warm and comfy playing some No Mans Sky ;)


Having said that, I recall taking a drink/toilet break just after half 2 :erm: :shocked:

:D

Jaymoss 28-02-2022 16:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115073)
is that a trusted source?

Arr Reuters

Mick 28-02-2022 17:50
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BREAKING: FIFA will ban Russia and its teams, ejecting the country from qualifying for the 2022 World Cup only weeks before it was to play for one of Europe’s final places in the tournament. UEFA will join FIFA in issuing and honoring the ban. - New York Times.

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Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky is urging President Biden and NATO to impose a "no-fly zone" over "significant parts" of the country, telling Axios in a statement that Ukraine "can beat the aggressor" if the Western allies "do their part." -Axios.

That said, CNN anchor, Jim Sciutto warns:

“Folks backing this need to acknowledge how this would put US/NATO aircraft head-to-head with Russian aircraft and air defense systems. Chance of escalation is real and chance of US/NATO losses as well. This is not Serbia or Iraq.”

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UPDATE: NATO rules out 'no-fly zone' over Ukraine.

NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said that NATO had no intention of entering Ukraine by land or air to stop Russia.

NATO’s responsibility is to ensure that the conflict does not “spiral out of control, escalate or turn into a full-scale war in Europe with NATO allies,” Stoltenberg said. - Kyiv Independent.

Paul 28-02-2022 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115080)
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky is urging President Biden and NATO to impose a "no-fly zone" over "significant parts" of the country.
That wont happen, that would be direct NATO v Russia, which we dont want.

Jaymoss 28-02-2022 17:58
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Deffo think Zelensky was over playing his hand requesting that. Maybe he got carried away and thought the support his country was getting was a little more than it is

Paul 28-02-2022 18:04
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The marines thought killed on Snake Island are apparently alive and well, according to the Ukraine Navy.

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Meanwhile some Russian billionaires are calling for the end of the war.

I can imagine some very nasty groups [and Mafia] within Russia are taking some big financial hits now, and considering whether they can take Putin out.

Hugh 28-02-2022 18:12
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https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...n-b985156.html

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Shell to exit Russia as oil giant joins corporate backlash against Ukraine invasion

Oil giant Shell has bowed to pressure to exit all joint operations with Russian energy firm Gazprom, ditching stakes in natural gas projects and the undersea pipeline Nord Stream 2 worth around $3 billion.

It comes a day after rival BP announced it was to sever links with Kremlin-controlled Rosneft in a move which sent its shares down 7.5% despite rising Brent Crude and natural gas prices.

Norway’s biggest energy company Equinor also announced a retreat from Russia, where it holds assets of $1.2 billion, amid a growing corporate backlash.

Shell holds a 27.5% stake in Gazprom’s offshore gas project Sakhalin-2, which supplies about 4% of the global market for liquefied natural gas.


It is also holds a 10% stake worth $1 billion in Gazprom’s Nord Stream 2, the 750-mile undersea pipeline that had been due to double the flow of natural gas from Russia to Germany before Berlin pulled the plug last week.

CEO Ben van Beurden said: “We are shocked by the loss of life in Ukraine, which we deplore, resulting from a senseless act of military aggression which threatens European security.”

Shell’s staff in Ukraine and other countries have been working to manage the company’s response to the crisis on the ground. Shell will also work with aid partners and humanitarian agencies to help in the relief effort.

“Our decision to exit is one we take with conviction,” said van Beurden. “We cannot – and we will not – stand by. Our immediate focus is the safety of our people in Ukraine and supporting our people in Russia.

“In discussion with governments around the world, we will also work through the detailed business implications, including the importance of secure energy supplies to Europe and other markets, in compliance with relevant sanctions.”


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https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sp...ce-2022-02-28/

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MANCHESTER, Feb 28 (Reuters) - UEFA have cancelled their sponsorship deal with Russian energy company Gazprom, European soccer's governing body said on Monday, reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

"UEFA has today decided to end its partnership with Gazprom across all competitions. The decision is effective immediately and covers all existing agreements including the UEFA Champions League, UEFA national team competitions and UEFA EURO 2024.

The sponsorship deal has been in place since 2012 and has been reported to be worth around 40 million euros per season.

UEFA and FIFA announced on Monday that all Russian national and club teams were suspended from international football.

Hugh 28-02-2022 18:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36115076)
Nope, been warm and comfy playing some No Mans Sky ;)


Having said that, I recall taking a drink/toilet break just after half 2 :erm: :shocked:

:D
Can I suggest you hide in the cupboard under the stairs? ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646072290

Mick 28-02-2022 18:19
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Interesting… just posted by Ukraine Ministry of Defence, Olensii Reznikov, translated from Russian-

Quote:
Russian soldier! You were brought to our land to kill and die. Do not follow criminal orders. We guarantee you a full amnesty and 5 million rubles if you lay down your arms. For those who continue to behave like an occupier, there will be no mercy

mrmistoffelees 28-02-2022 18:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115088)
The marines thought killed on Snake Island are apparently alive and well, according to the Ukraine Navy.

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Meanwhile some Russian billionaires are calling for the end of the war.

I can imagine some very nasty groups [and Mafia] within Russia are taking some big financial hits now, and considering whether they can take Putin out.
I came to post similar, oligarchs are now publicly calling for peace talks, I’d be amazed if things are not shifting gears internally against Putin

Mick 28-02-2022 18:32
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Interesting… just posted by Ukraine Ministry of Defence, Olensii Reznikov, translated from Russian-

Quote:
Russian soldier! You were brought to our land to kill and die. Do not follow criminal orders. We guarantee you a full amnesty and 5 million rubles if you lay down your arms. For those who continue to behave like an occupier, there will be no mercy

5 million Rubles may sound like a lot but it’s worth £50,000

1 ruble = 1p

papa smurf 28-02-2022 18:35
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115098)
5 million Rubles may sound like a lot but it’s worth £50,000

1 ruble = 1p
Give it a few days and 5 million will be about 40 pence.

Hugh 28-02-2022 18:46
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
https://twitter.com/vancityreynolds/...185055750?s=21

Ryan Reynolds and his wife, Blake Lively, are matching donations (up to $1 million) to the USA for UNHCR refugee charity to support Ukrainian refugees.

Quote:
Ryan Reynolds
@vancityreynolds

In 48 hours, countless Ukrainians were forced to flee their homes to neighboring countries. They need protection. When you donate, we’ll match it up to $1,000,000, creating double the support.⬇️ http://unrefugees.org/SupportUkraine

Jaymoss 28-02-2022 18:51
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115088)
The marines thought killed on Snake Island are apparently alive and well, according to the Ukraine Navy.
Guess I was right to be a cynic with that story.

As I said before there will be propaganda coming at us from all angles

Pierre 28-02-2022 19:01
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115093)
Can I suggest you hide in the cupboard under the stairs? ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646072290
Is that the same one from earlier?

Hugh 28-02-2022 19:11
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115105)
Is that the same one from earlier?
Can’t tell, as there’s no call sign, but it has the same flight pattern (varying between 1000 and 5000 feet, and variable speeds of 150-400 knots).

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https://apple.news/AqRIq9hVPTJueMtGiSwJlAw

Quote:
The European Parliament is set to officially throw its support behind making Ukraine an official candidate for membership of the European Union.

A motion published on Monday night with support of all the parliament's mainstream political groups urged the EU to push towards "granting EU candidate status to Ukraine".

The landmark symbolic motion will be voted on by MEPs on Tuesday as part of an emergency Brussels session of the parliament, focusing on the invasion of Ukraine. Its backing by all the main groups means it is certain to pass when it goes to the floor.

The renewed push for membership comes amid an outpouring of solidarity across Europe for the country, which was invaded by Russia last week.

The European Parliament motion calling for a membership push for Ukraine is supported by the centre-right, socialist, liberal, green, conservative and left groups in the parliament. The legislature’s far-right caucus is the only group not to put its name to the motion.

The motion says the parliament "calls on the EU institutions to work towards granting EU candidate status to Ukraine, in line with article 49 TEU and merit-based, and, in the meantime, to continue to work towards integration into the EU Single Market along the lines of the Association Agreement".

Paul 28-02-2022 19:14
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
How is joining the EU going to help them ?

TheDaddy 28-02-2022 19:20
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115108)
How is joining the EU going to help them ?
It's not going to help them right now although it'll make pooty think he was right all along

Sephiroth 28-02-2022 19:22
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115108)
How is joining the EU going to help them ?
Dosh for re-building?

Pierre 28-02-2022 19:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115108)
How is joining the EU going to help them ?
It’s not, but it is inviting armed conflict into the EU, which we were told many times, is the very thing the EU was devised to avoid.

The EU needs to understand it has no place in this crisis. Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.

OLD BOY 28-02-2022 19:35
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115108)
How is joining the EU going to help them ?
Because it will upset Putin.

Damien 28-02-2022 19:50
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115108)
How is joining the EU going to help them ?
I think it's more a statement of defiance that he can do so.

It might also be a bargaining chip for negotiation, Putin would need to show some sort of 'victory' so if Ukraine then said they are withdrawing the application that would be one thing Putin could point to doing.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115111)
It’s not, but it is inviting armed conflict into the EU, which we were told many times, is the very thing the EU was devised to avoid.

The EU needs to understand it has no place in this crisis. Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.
The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.

RichardCoulter 28-02-2022 19:53
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115116)
I think it's more a statement of defiance that he can do so.

It might also be a bargaining chip for negotiation, Putin would need to show some sort of 'victory' so if Ukraine then said they are withdrawing the application that would be one thing Putin could point to doing.

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The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.
Excellent point. If negotiations are to end this war, like most negotiations, both sides are going to have to be allowed to claim some sort of victory.

Pierre 28-02-2022 19:56
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115116)
The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.
The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.

Damien 28-02-2022 20:09
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115119)
The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.
The EU is providing some of it and member states are doing some on their own as well.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-war-coverage

Quote:
Kremlin-backed television station RT could lose its licence to broadcast in the UK after media regulator Ofcom launched 15 separate investigations into its news coverage of the war in Ukraine.
Always had a dim view of RT but my anger at those British citizens that continue to be complicit in pushing the Kremins line is very high at the moment.

Hugh 28-02-2022 20:09
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115119)
The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.
The EU.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/202...ne_818976.html

Quote:
European Union foreign ministers agreed to send 450 million euros ($500 million) in military aid to Ukraine for lethal weapons, according to Josep Borrell, the bloc’s foreign policy chief.

The aid will be financed by the EU’s European Peace Facility and will see the bloc supply arms to a country at war for the first time in its history. Another 50 million euros will be provided for non-lethal purposes, Borrell said at a press conference in Brussels Sunday.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/eur...ns-to-ukraine/
Quote:
In a ‘watershed moment’ for its defence policy, the EU on Sunday (27 February) agreed to unblock some €500 million for members states to buy arms for Ukraine’s armed forces, hoping to stop Russia’s invasion.

“Another taboo has fallen these days – the taboo that the EU cannot use its resources to provide arms to a country that is being aggressed by another,” EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell said as EU foreign ministers met to green-light the unprecedented step.

EU treaties prohibit the bloc from using its regular multiannual budget to fund operations with military or defence implications.

That is why, under the unveiled plans, the EU will use an off-budget so-called ‘European Peace Facility’ (EPF) financing instrument with a ceiling of €5 billion that can be used to provide military aid.

The only recently created intergovernmental fund had opened the door for the bloc to deliver military aid to partner countries and finance the deployment of its military missions abroad.

Borrell said the EU had agreed “to provide arms — lethal arms, lethal assistance — to the Ukrainian army for a value of €450 million support package and €50 million more for the non-lethal supplies – fuel and protective equipment.”

The EPF would be used to coordinate shipments and other logistics.

EU defence ministers will meet virtually on Monday (28 January) to iron out the technical details of the mechanism.

1andrew1 28-02-2022 20:42
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115121)
Always had a dim view of RT but my anger at those British citizens that continue to be complicit in pushing the Kremins line is very high at the moment.
Who are you referring to?

Damien 28-02-2022 20:45
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
The British 'journalists' on their payroll

Mick 28-02-2022 22:42
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Kremlin warns against supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry said the countries supporting Ukraine with lethal weapons would bear responsibility if they are used during Moscow’s ongoing offensive. - Kyiv Independent.

Let’s send them more.

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LATEST: Russia says US decision to expel diplomats a 'hostile' act -AFP News Agency

ianch99 28-02-2022 23:20
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115111)
Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.
Do you mean like Ukraine?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36115126)
The British 'journalists' on their payroll
Also notable are their "guests"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Guests

Quote:
Notable guests have included think tank intellectuals like Jared Bernstein, John Feffer and Lawrence Korb; journalists and writers Jacob Sullum, Pepe Escobar, and Brian Doherty, and heads of state, including Ecuador's Rafael Correa, and Syria's Bashar al-Assad. Nigel Farage, the leader of UK Independence Party from 2010 to 2016, appeared on RT eighteen times from 2010 to 2014. Steve Bannon has stated that he has appeared on RT "probably 100 times or more". Manuel Ochsenreiter, a neo-Nazi, has repeatedly appeared on RT to represent the German point of view. RT News has also frequently hosted Richard B. Spencer, an American white supremacist airing his opinions in support of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and has hosted Holocaust denier Ryan Dawson, presenting him as a human rights activist. Such figures as Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, David Ray Griffin, and Webster Tarpley have appeared on RT to advance conspiracy theories about topics such as the September 11 attacks, the Bilderberg group, and the "New World Order"

TimeLord2018 01-03-2022 00:30
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115100)
Give it a few days and 5 million will be about 40 pence.
Currently 5 million Rubles is worth about £35,480 now rather than £50,000

Paul 01-03-2022 02:00
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36115133)
Currently 5 million Rubles is worth about £35,480 now rather than £50,000
That may still be quite a lot of money to them.

jonbxx 01-03-2022 08:46
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115134)
That may still be quite a lot of money to them.
Just checked and the average salary in Russia (link) is just over 51,000 rubles so 5,000,000 is worth having!

Maggy 01-03-2022 09:17
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36115136)
Just checked and the average salary in Russia (link) is just over 51,000 rubles so 5,000,000 is worth having!
Depends on how the cost of living will be after all the sanctions on Russia.

Mick 01-03-2022 09:49
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
1 Attachment(s)
Latest UK Intel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646128124

mrmistoffelees 01-03-2022 11:00
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115139)
There's no mention of the 40 mile long convoy advancing towards Kyiv ?

Mick 01-03-2022 11:13
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115141)
There's no mention of the 40 mile long convoy advancing towards Kyiv ?
The first line…. Russian advance?

BREAKING: Disney, Warner Bros. Sony to refuse showing latest film releases in Russia.

mrmistoffelees 01-03-2022 11:35
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115142)
The first line…. Russian advance?

BREAKING: Disney, Warner Bros. Sony to refuse showing latest film releases in Russia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60542877

the update at 08:20 shows the satellite picture.

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The news/videos coming out of Kharkiv is horrifying. It appears now that residential areas are being deliberately targeted, it also appears that cluster munitions have been utilised.

Hugh 01-03-2022 13:14
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
https://www.reuters.com/business/wor...ia-2022-03-01/

Quote:
The world's two biggest container lines on Tuesday temporarily suspended cargo shipments to and from Russia in response to Western sanctions on Moscow following its invasion of Ukraine, in a further blow to trade with the country.

Russia's assault on its neighbour, which Moscow says is a "special operation", is the biggest state-to-state invasion in Europe since World War Two.

Swiss headquartered MSC, the world's biggest container shipping company by capacity, said in a customer advisory that as of March 1 it had introduced "a temporary stoppage on all cargo bookings to/from Russia, covering all access areas including Baltics, Black Sea and Far East Russia”.

MSC will continue to accept and screen bookings for delivery of essential goods such as food, medical equipment and humanitarian goods," it said.

Denmark's Maersk (MAERSKb.CO) said separately it would temporarily halt all container shipping to and from Russia, also adding that the suspension covering all Russian ports, would not include foodstuffs, medical and humanitarian supplies.

"As the stability and safety of our operations is already being directly and indirectly impacted by sanctions, new Maersk bookings within ocean and inland to and from Russia will be temporarily suspended," the company said in a statement.

The moves follow similar decisions already taken by Singapore-headquartered Ocean Network Express and Germany's Hapag Lloyd (HLAG.DE) - effectively cutting Russia off from the world's leading container shipping companies, adding to freight challenges ahead.

Damien 01-03-2022 15:59
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Great idea: https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/sta...82810659442689

Quote:
NEW: EU officials are considering offering asylum and refugee status for soldiers who want to desert the Russian army, as long as they have not committed war crimes.

Hom3r 01-03-2022 16:21
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Google Maps has turned off Traffic Data to protect people.

I also found out last night that Kyiv and Kiev are the same.

Kyiv is the Ukrainian spelling and Kiev is the Russian spelling.

Hugh 01-03-2022 16:31
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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That didn’t take long…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1646152230

https://twitter.com/ictv_fakty/statu...809996804?s=21

1andrew1 01-03-2022 16:34
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115166)
:clap::clap::clap:

mrmistoffelees 01-03-2022 18:58
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
This 40 mile long convoy

According to the news sources, this can only be this size due to their being no significant air threat.

But, didn’t the EU hand over mig 29’s yesterday ?

Ah…. Mig 29’s aren’t ground attack….

Paul 01-03-2022 18:58
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36115164)
I also found out last night that Kyiv and Kiev are the same.
Kyiv is the Ukrainian spelling and Kiev is the Russian spelling.
Yes, it took me a couple of days to realise that. :)

Jaymoss 01-03-2022 19:54
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115171)
Yes, it took me a couple of days to realise that. :)
plus all the news channels are calling it Keev now too.

Carth 01-03-2022 20:21
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Where was this '40 mile long' convoy when first photographed?


. . . and where is it now?

Sky news says that on Monday it was 17 miles from Keiv . . .

Damien 01-03-2022 20:34
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Still on it's way apparently although there are reports it's stalled due to logistical issues.

Have we given Ukraine drones? Maybe they can't operate them but a few drone strikes on that convoy might be helpful right now?

RichardCoulter 01-03-2022 20:38
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
They said that they were going to start going for specific targets. It looks like they want to stop information getting out to the public in Ukraine as they have bombed a TV tower (and Jewish graves from a mass shooting in WWII next to it).

Is it possible to easily knock out the internet of a country? I fear that this will be high on the list to stop information reaching Ukranian citizens.

Media Boy UK 01-03-2022 21:00
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
BREAKING NEWS:

Nadine Dorries MP has just post a following on Twitter:

Quote:
Shortly, the French satellite which broadcasts Russia Today (RT) in both the EU and UK will be switched off. This means RT will no longer be available via Sky.
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/st...57648774320132

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Quote:
Sky receives its RT broadcast from a satellite operator based in Luxembourg, which will be instructed to remove the news channel formerly known as Russia Today, as soon as the European Union sanctions are officially approved on Tuesday night.

RT’s broadcast slot on Sky will initially be blank but the channel will eventually be removed from its programme guide altogether. Representatives of British broadcast platforms Freesat and Freeview were initially unclear as to whether the decision to block the satellite signal would also result in RT vanishing from their platforms.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ithin-24-hours

Hugh 01-03-2022 21:01
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36115179)
Where was this '40 mile long' convoy when first photographed?


. . . and where is it now?

Sky news says that on Monday it was 17 miles from Keiv . . .
If it is mainly logistical support (fuel, ammo, food, etc.), it doesn’t want to be too close to the front line, due to the risk of destruction by OpFor artillery.

Chris 01-03-2022 21:02
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36115185)
They said that they were going to start going for specific targets. It looks like they want to stop information getting out to the public in Ukraine as they have bombed a TV tower (and Jewish graves from a mass shooting in WWII next to it).

Is it possible to easily knock out the internet of a country? I fear that this will be high on the list to stop information reaching Ukranian citizens.
Depends how the internet is delivered. Most people probably rely on fixed phone lines or 4G same as us, so destroying main telephone exchanges shuts off delivery to end users. However, satellite broadband would be harder to disrupt.

Hugh 01-03-2022 21:03
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36115185)
They said that they were going to start going for specific targets. It looks like they want to stop information getting out to the public in Ukraine as they have bombed a TV tower (and Jewish graves from a mass shooting in WWII next to it).

Is it possible to easily knock out the internet of a country? I fear that this will be high on the list to stop information reaching Ukranian citizens.
Elon Musk has supplied StarLink Base Stations to the Ukraine Government to mitigate this.

https://fortune.com/2022/03/01/starl...s-arrive-kyiv/

TheDaddy 01-03-2022 21:04
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36115179)
Where was this '40 mile long' convoy when first photographed?


. . . and where is it now?

Sky news says that on Monday it was 17 miles from Keiv . . .
There was road works, the lights were out on the high street and bloody extinction rebellion have glued their faces to the road, the convoy is now 19 miles outside keev, kyiv, keiv, sorry Birmingham

RichardCoulter 01-03-2022 21:06
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36115194)
Depends how the internet is delivered. Most people probably rely on fixed phone lines or 4G same as us, so destroying main telephone exchanges shuts off delivery to end users. However, satellite broadband would be harder to disrupt.
I assume the internet comes into a country at various points as opposed to a single point like an undersea cable, so I bet you're right and he'll go for telephone exchanges.

1andrew1 01-03-2022 21:42
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
30 days is a long time in this conflict and not "full and immediate"!
Quote:
Government accused of ‘absurd’ sanctions loophole after giving Russian bank customers 30 days to ‘wind down’ assets

Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced last Thursday that the state-owned VTB Bank, which is the second-largest Russian bank and its largest investment bank, was the subject of a “full and immediate” asset freeze in the UK as part of the Government’s attempts to help derail Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine by targeting key finance houses.

But the following day the Treasury unit in charge of enforcing the UK’s sanctions quietly issued a 30-day licence granting permission for any individual or entity to “wind down any transactions” with VTB until 27 March.
https://inews.co.uk/news/government-...assets-1490017

Paul 01-03-2022 22:39
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Perhaps they want to give Russians in the UK, who almost certainly have no say at all in this war, a chance to get get their money out of the bank, before freezing it.

Mick 01-03-2022 22:44
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Russia threatens “real war” with France over economic sanctions against Russia.

France is in NATO and by itself is a Nuclear power or did they forget that little detail?

Jaymoss 01-03-2022 23:24
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Why did they single France out?

Gavin78 01-03-2022 23:45
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36115213)
Why did they single France out?
Seems like they are taking pot shots at any country trying to push a few buttons and see who cracks first.

Basically looking for justification for war

Blackshep 02-03-2022 00:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
As at least one member is anxious about the reports of nuclear weapon's and dirty bomb's let me say please stop worrying Richard we are not on the brink of a nuclear escalation or even remotely close. The Russians missile regiments have three main training exercises a year with one being end of February, beginning of March Putin has simply televised the routine order for dramatic affect and to cause a stir so please calm yourself.

Right now there are thousands of Russian government employee's on social media based out of the FSB social media department in St Petersburg and the foreign ministry in Moscow so even more then normal social media is not a reliable source of information. As for the 40 mile convoy it is stalled by lack of fuel which has been caused by successful attack's on Russian supply infrastructure by Ukrainian military and militia's although given the utter chaos within these Russian forces they didn't have to work too hard.

Russia's slow advance and failure to seize any of their day 1 & 2 objectives is down to two factor's far greater resistance from the Ukrainian military and their citizens and secondly the Russian forces are demoralised and few have any real enthusiasm for this invasion. Many Russian troop's were told they would be welcomed by Ukrainians as they were not invader's but liberators something they learned was a lie quite quickly.

Putin is encountering a great deal of internal opposition and the sanction's have many of his backer's starting to change their position and advice. The longer this goes on the more precarious Putin's position is, he needed this invasion to succeed quickly and for Russian forces not to become bogged down which is exactly what's happening. The issue is that Putin has backed himself into a corner and to backtrack now would likely be the end for him but he cannot issue a nuclear escalation in isolation as with most nuclear armed nation's there is a structure in place that has to unanimously agree to their release and use at this point even if Putin were to give such a ludicrous order it's extremely unlikely it would happen.

Apologies for any spelling or grammar error's but I'm at the end of what caffeine can do and catching up on this thread it was clear some were anxious I bid you all goodnight I'm off for a kip.

TheDaddy 02-03-2022 01:39
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36115213)
Why did they single France out?
Known to surrender easily :shrug:


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