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Jaymoss 12-09-2022 09:45

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36134008)
i bought 2 steaks in the yellow packs range 2£ each, it was like boot leather, moral of this story you get what you pay for:(

I had a lasagne and it has about 6 or 7 scrapings of grated cheese on the top and next to no mince . It tasted ok with a bit of extra cheese though

Sephiroth 16-09-2022 21:24

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36134008)
i bought 2 steaks in the yellow packs range 2£ each, it was like boot leather, moral of this story you get what you pay for:(

You've tried eating boot leather then, Papa?

denphone 17-09-2022 06:12

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36134008)
i bought 2 steaks in the yellow packs range 2£ each, it was like boot leather, moral of this story you get what you pay for:(

Exactly as my Dad bought some steak a while back and it was unedible.

Sephiroth 17-09-2022 09:41

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Waitrose steak it is, then.

Jaymoss 17-09-2022 09:48

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In my experience cheap steak has to be medium rare and fried quick or it will be tough

heero_yuy 17-09-2022 09:49

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Time expired milker as opposed to prime 30day aged Aberdeen Angus.

Jaymoss 17-09-2022 09:51

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36134397)
Time expired milker as opposed to prime 30day aged Aberdeen Angus.

The blacker the better mmmm I used to be a butcher in my teens and where I first worked we used to fry up the first cut off the hind quarters as people just did not know black was good. My fave cut has always been chine rib been eating it for over 35 years. Who knew 30 years later people will catch up hahaha

Another nice cut that I used to be able to pick up real cheap is the Jacobs Ladder that they now call short rib and normally sell it slow roasted in a sauce

1andrew1 17-09-2022 15:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36134008)
i bought 2 steaks in the yellow packs range 2£ each, it was like boot leather, moral of this story you get what you pay for:(

I think you need to be selective in what you buy from that range. The tomato soup gets 5/5 and was found to be as good as Heinz but only cost 30p, Heinz being a £ more!
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/what...-asda-25002587

Mad Max 17-09-2022 20:48

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36134398)
The blacker the better mmmm I used to be a butcher in my teens and where I first worked we used to fry up the first cut off the hind quarters as people just did not know black was good. My fave cut has always been chine rib been eating it for over 35 years. Who knew 30 years later people will catch up hahaha

Another nice cut that I used to be able to pick up real cheap is the Jacobs Ladder that they now call short rib and normally sell it slow roasted in a sauce

Sounds good mate, but go easy you'll have the nutjob veggies having a fit. :D

tweetiepooh 20-09-2022 10:39

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36134398)
Another nice cut that I used to be able to pick up real cheap is the Jacobs Ladder that they now call short rib and normally sell it slow roasted in a sauce

Annoyed that so many supermarkets cut the ladder into individual ribs, normally before it gets to store. You can easily cut them apart but not join back together. I put a strong rub on and then slow smoke on the braai. But the price, like pork belly and other "cheap cuts" are now more expensive, often thanks to celeb chefs showing how to use them on TV. (Costco ribs (devoid of most meat) cost more than belly costs more than shoulder costs more than leg - per kg).

Jaymoss 20-09-2022 10:45

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36134505)
Annoyed that so many supermarkets cut the ladder into individual ribs, normally before it gets to store. You can easily cut them apart but not join back together. I put a strong rub on and then slow smoke on the braai. But the price, like pork belly and other "cheap cuts" are now more expensive, often thanks to celeb chefs showing how to use them on TV. (Costco ribs (devoid of most meat) cost more than belly costs more than shoulder costs more than leg - per kg).

Yeah we used to give what they now call spare ribs away for next to nothing

Jaymoss 27-09-2022 16:30

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Interest rates could hit 6% next as Bank of England boss says to expect a significant rise

https://news.sky.com/story/significa...-says-12706354

https://news.sky.com/story/pound-slu...peech-12615118

Paul 27-09-2022 19:18

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Well at least savings rates will go up.

Hom3r 27-09-2022 20:10

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36135133)
Well at least savings rates will go up.


What Savings, it's all gone to the power and fuel companies

Pierre 27-09-2022 22:12

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36135133)
Well at least savings rates will go up.

Not as quick and not as high.

Me and Mrs Pierre have emptied all of our savings and banged it off the mortgage. We should be mortgage free by the end of next year.

Then we’ll start saving again.

Paul 28-09-2022 01:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135162)
We should be mortgage free by the end of next year.

One thing I am thankful for, I dont really have one of any significance.
A few years ago, I did two jobs for 6 years, that allowed me to basically kill off my mortgage.
I keep it ticking over at £50 so I can dip into it if necessary, I have no interest to pay, and no monthly repayments.

Jaymoss 04-10-2022 19:49

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£324 Cost of living payment due between the 8th and 24th November

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...m-8-november-1

Maggy 04-10-2022 20:22

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Mortgage free..Got some savings stashed.I have 2 pensions and the other half's navy pension is a good one.My children are employed and are earning.We will survive.

It's those who are just at the start and have been messed about by the pandemic who are going to tighten belts plus the usual unlucky souls for whom life hasn't been blessed.

Chris 04-10-2022 20:33

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Reserved a 5-year fixed rate at 1.44% in January, which we took up in June when we moved. The average offer for a 5-year fix today is now 5.75% :shocked:

Hugh 04-10-2022 20:49

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My daughter & son-in-law got a 5 year fixed rate approved last Monday (3.44%) - remortgage to extend their current home.

Jaymoss 04-10-2022 21:14

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Bad time for plans like that with no idea what the future holds, unless they can pay it off in the 5 years cuz who knows what the rates will be after

Hugh 05-10-2022 09:33

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It's their home for life - it already has 4 bedrooms (well, 3 and an office), so they are expanding/reconfiguring the downstairs; they're relieved, as the current rates for the equivalent deal are 5.2% and above.

GrimUpNorth 05-10-2022 11:16

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We decided to upsize and moved house in September 2018 so got a mortgage after a few years mortgage free. We made the decision to go for a 10 year fixed rate at 2.64% which was more than we'd could have paid on a shorter fixed deal but knowing where you are for the longer term is a bonus and 4 years ago rates were so low there was only really one way they were going to go. Cheap money like that was never going to last (and I'll be surprised if we see again).

So it looks like we made the right call because when our deal comes to the end in 2028 I doubt getting anything less than 5% will be a distant memory, but we're overpaying every month so when the deal ends we hope not owe too much and may even be able to pay it off.

We do also remember the days of 15% and no fixed rate deals so your payments were up and down like something that goes up and down a lot :shocked: but you did get tax relieve on the interest on the first £30,000.

Damien 05-10-2022 11:35

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I fixed in December at 1.3% for 5 years, extremely lucky with the timing.

Chris 05-10-2022 11:39

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36136043)
I fixed in December at 1.3% for 5 years, extremely lucky with the timing.

You were - January was when mortgage rates started climbing, albeit slowly at first. We were kicking ourselves for not arranging ours 3-4 weeks earlier, though it’s all relative now.

Damien 05-10-2022 11:42

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36136044)
You were - January was when mortgage rates started climbing, albeit slowly at first. We were kicking ourselves for not arranging ours 3-4 weeks earlier, though it’s all relative now.

Yup the BoE first raised the base rate as the application was on-going in late December. Thankfully the mortgage application was done absurdly fast, a matter of days, so it was locked in even though I didn't complete until March.

Chris 05-10-2022 12:14

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BBC now discussing the typical 2-year fix on Politics Live, saying it is now 6.07%.

OLD BOY 05-10-2022 16:36

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Yes, it’s now at 2008 levels, when Labour were in charge.

Chris 05-10-2022 16:42

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36136064)
Yes, it’s now at 2008 levels, when Labour were in charge.

What is - the average rate available for a 2-year fix? I’d appreciate a link to that data set if you have one.

Hugh 05-10-2022 16:52

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36136065)
What is - the average rate available for a 2-year fix? I’d appreciate a link to that data set if you have one.

It’s probably relevant to point out that whilst average house prices have increased by 60% since 2008, average wages have increased by 20%, so that’s a variable in the "affordability" formula that should be taken into consideration…

Sephiroth 05-10-2022 16:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36136064)
Yes, it’s now at 2008 levels, when Labour were in charge.


And that's very bad. What's your point? I thought you were a Conservative supporter, OB?

I'm a true Conservative and since 2015, omnishambles doesn't cover it.

Hugh 05-10-2022 18:56

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36136064)
Yes, it’s now at 2008 levels, when Labour were in charge.

But nowhere near the 15% of July 1980, or the 15.25% of October 1990, so I’m not sure what your point is?

mrmistoffelees 06-10-2022 10:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36136080)
But nowhere near the 15% of July 1980, or the 15.25% of October 1990, so I’m not sure what your point is?

Desperate deflection & blind infatuation, think Truss but with a singular sock

1andrew1 06-10-2022 10:34

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36136073)

And that's very bad. What's your point? I thought you were a Conservative supporter, OB?

I'm a true Conservative and since 2015, omnishambles doesn't cover it.

Old Boy is saying we're in the same position as we were during the Global Financial Crisis, but self-induced. Not really the kind of endorsement for Trussonomics she might have hoped for!

Taf 06-10-2022 10:49

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Asda has announced a range of new ‘winter warmer’ initiatives to support customers and community groups struggling with the cost-of-living crisis - including offering those aged 60 and over soup, a roll and unlimited tea and coffees for £1 in any of its 205 cafes all day and every day throughout November and December.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/c...mited-25190530

Although I applaud this help, I fear the cafés will be full most days, making it impossible for other customers to get food or drinks.

Sephiroth 06-10-2022 10:55

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36136121)
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/c...mited-25190530

Although I applaud this help, I fear the cafés will be full most days, making it impossible for other customers to get food or drinks.

I might even venture into the local ASDA (Lower Early) and look for OB! Normally I wouldn't want to be seen there! I look forward to a similar initiative from Waitrose, Wokingham who do the best bacon buttie.


Chris 06-10-2022 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36136121)
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/c...mited-25190530

Although I applaud this help, I fear the cafés will be full most days, making it impossible for other customers to get food or drinks.

As with buses, so too Asda. Please give up your seat if required by someone in greater need. :shrug:

Jaymoss 06-10-2022 12:15

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Unlimited data sim a laptop and Netflix the silver surfers could spend the day their binging

Taf 06-10-2022 12:52

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36136136)
Unlimited data sim a laptop and Netflix the silver surfers could spend the day their binging

There will be long queues for the loos too.

Jaymoss 06-10-2022 12:59

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36136140)
There will be long queues for the loos too.

they could take their own commode hahaha

Taf 11-10-2022 19:33

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An email from Santander:

Quote:

We want to let you know that on 03 October 2022, we increased the in-credit interest rate to 1.50% AER/gross (variable) on your account (on balances up to £20,000).
At least it's better than the 0.1% they were giving.

nomadking 11-10-2022 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36136121)
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/c...mited-25190530

Although I applaud this help, I fear the cafés will be full most days, making it impossible for other customers to get food or drinks.

The thing with this and the idea of "warm banks", is that people still have to travel there and back, go home for meals, and return to a cold home as they've remembered to switch it off while out.

peanut 11-10-2022 19:56

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136522)
The thing with this and the idea of "warm banks", is that people still have to travel there and back, go home for meals, and return to a cold home as they've remembered to switch it off while out.

Sorry I can't see what's wrong with it. If anything, it could help to combat loneliness which is a really good thing.

Chris 11-10-2022 20:04

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136522)
The thing with this and the idea of "warm banks", is that people still have to travel there and back, go home for meals, and return to a cold home as they've remembered to switch it off while out.

You really have to be pathologically contrarian to have come up with this …

Hugh 11-10-2022 20:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136522)
The thing with this and the idea of "warm banks", is that people still have to travel there and back, go home for meals, and return to a cold home as they've remembered to switch it off while out.

And if they they fall ill due to hypothermia when they go back to a cold home, won’t it just be counter-productive if they’re taken to hospital to recover, as they’ll just have to go back to a cold home?

nomadking 11-10-2022 20:31

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36136526)
You really have to be pathologically contrarian to have come up with this …

Unless they spend all day there and remember to turn their heating off, any savings are not going to be as much as is made out. How many people would think of turning their heating off?
There may be people that might be able to spend all day there, and are happy with soup and a roll for lunch, but otherwise it's going to be for just 2 or 3 hours at a time.

What got me thinking about this before now, is that I live in a set of sheltered bungalows, and was thinking about issues that might crop up if it was suggested that people spent time in other people's homes. Making sure that they turned off their heating before going elsewhere was one of them.

mrmistoffelees 11-10-2022 20:47

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136529)
Unless they spend all day there and remember to turn their heating off, any savings are not going to be as much as is made out. How many people would think of turning their heating off?
There may be people that might be able to spend all day there, and are happy with soup and a roll for lunch, but otherwise it's going to be for just 2 or 3 hours at a time.

What got me thinking about this before now, is that I live in a set of sheltered bungalows, and was thinking about issues that might crop up if it was suggested that people spent time in other people's homes. Making sure that they turned off their heating before going elsewhere was one of them.

Given the current utilities cost, most ?

Chris 11-10-2022 21:21

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136529)
Unless they spend all day there and remember to turn their heating off, any savings are not going to be as much as is made out. How many people would think of turning their heating off?
There may be people that might be able to spend all day there, and are happy with soup and a roll for lunch, but otherwise it's going to be for just 2 or 3 hours at a time.

What got me thinking about this before now, is that I live in a set of sheltered bungalows, and was thinking about issues that might crop up if it was suggested that people spent time in other people's homes. Making sure that they turned off their heating before going elsewhere was one of them.

I can only imagine you live in sheltered bungalows in Marbella where nobody thinks much about their central heating. Because I know nobody at all that doesn’t think about when to turn theirs on and off. We used to have to persuade my mum to have hers on more often.

As I said … you have a near pathological knack for taking a contrary view of any issue, even to the point of compelling you to take a position that is very obviously bonkers.

jfman 11-10-2022 21:56

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Maybe we should solve the energy crisis by telling all those out at work, with children at school, to stop heating their empty homes during the day.

Pierre 11-10-2022 22:14

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Well, I work from home and live in Yorkshire and I can tell you it’s been quite cold in the evening and getting colder.

I haven’t turned the heating on yet, I have some portable electric heaters (used sparingly in the evening if required)

During the day, so far, decent clothing has been adequate. Of an evening a wood burner has been perfectly fine.

The heating will come online eventually, but it will be well into November I think.

1andrew1 11-10-2022 22:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36136529)
Unless they spend all day there and remember to turn their heating off, any savings are not going to be as much as is made out. How many people would think of turning their heating off?
There may be people that might be able to spend all day there, and are happy with soup and a roll for lunch, but otherwise it's going to be for just 2 or 3 hours at a time.

What got me thinking about this before now, is that I live in a set of sheltered bungalows, and was thinking about issues that might crop up if it was suggested that people spent time in other people's homes. Making sure that they turned off their heating before going elsewhere was one of them.

I'm not seeing the logic in this one, Nomad.

Your hypothesis is about someone who can't afford to heat their home who makes the effort to go to a warm bank yet leaves their heating on by mistake? :confused:

Taf 12-10-2022 10:16

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I saw plumes of steam from several boiler chimneys this morning. A few of the homes also had windows wide open. It only dropped to 8c last night.

---------- Post added at 10:16 ---------- Previous post was at 10:12 ----------

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36136525)
Sorry I can't see what's wrong with it. If anything, it could help to combat loneliness which is a really good thing.

Several years ago, our Labour-controlled council closed all the Day Centres where older people and those with disabilities could congregate for a few hours. Hot drinks, and often soup and rolls were always available. Plus they had visits from community nurses and council staff to answer any questions.

Halcyon 12-10-2022 11:20

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We have several churches in our city that will be opening to offer a warm place for a tea or coffee. All faiths welcome.


I think that is a wonderful thing to do.

papa smurf 12-10-2022 11:28

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36136568)
We have several churches in our city that will be opening to offer a warm place for a tea or coffee. All faiths welcome.


I think that is a wonderful thing to do.

I have never been inside a warm church they're always freezing

i should point out i'm not a regular church goer just the stuff you can't get out of.

1andrew1 12-10-2022 15:14

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Significant rate rise needed in November - Bank of England chief economist
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/in...vsgRrU6G3DqlqK

papa smurf 12-10-2022 15:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36136598)
Significant rate rise needed in November - Bank of England chief economist
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/in...vsgRrU6G3DqlqK

which country are these people working for

1andrew1 12-10-2022 15:46

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36136599)
which country are these people working for

I really don't know, you'd best ask Truss and Kwarteng directly.

denphone 12-10-2022 15:48

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36136599)
which country are these people working for

The Bank of England is the UK's central bank, its there to deliver monetary and financial stability for the country.

l hope that explains things to you..

Paul 12-10-2022 21:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36136599)
which country are these people working for

I think they are trying to salvage the destruction our Prime Minister and Chancellor have bought upon us.

Jimmy-J 13-10-2022 04:50

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That's nice.

Quote:

The deal for a soup, roll and refill hot drinks will be in place in November and December at 205 Asda stores across the country
Asda Cafe launches £1 meal deal for over 60s with unlimited tea or coffee

1andrew1 13-10-2022 09:30

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36136639)

Hopefully they'll do this in January, February and March too which are cold months in most of the UK too.

Taf 13-10-2022 12:46

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2016. Car service, MOT, internal and external valet. £99.
2017. Car service, MOT, external valet. £99.
2018. Car service, MOT. £99.
2019. Car service, MOT. £119.
2020. Car service, MOT. £129.
2021. Car service, MOT. £149.
2022. Car service, MOT. £229. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

mrmistoffelees 13-10-2022 13:27

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36136662)
2016. Car service, MOT, internal and external valet. £99.
2017. Car service, MOT, external valet. £99.
2018. Car service, MOT. £99.
2019. Car service, MOT. £119.
2020. Car service, MOT. £129.
2021. Car service, MOT. £149.
2022. Car service, MOT. £229. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Not entirely sure if that's a fair comparison?

1. MOT's can be charged up to a fixed maximum price of £54.85
2. generally, servicing costs depend on the vehicle mileage and what work is required

papa smurf 13-10-2022 14:18

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Had my car done yesterday
mot £39
service +internal/external valet £182

Taf 13-10-2022 16:37

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36136676)
Not entirely sure if that's a fair comparison?

1. MOT's can be charged up to a fixed maximum price of £54.85
2. generally, servicing costs depend on the vehicle mileage and what work is required

They call it an "oil change service", and it's been the same very year as I do little driving that I haven't hit the next "special" service yet. These costs don't include other things like brake fluid, brake pads, etc. Those always get added separately to the bill. And boy, they have hiked-up a lot too during the last 2 years!

1andrew1 19-10-2022 20:12

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Inflation figures announced today - some 10.1%, higher than expected and five times the Bank of England's target.

September's figures are normally used for increasing benefits and pensions in April.

Paul 19-10-2022 23:49

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36137637)
September's figures are normally used for increasing benefits and pensions in April.

I certainly hope so :D

Taf 25-10-2022 10:07

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I have noticed the prices of pasta and cooking oil rising rapidly. Also beef and chicken.

denphone 25-10-2022 10:22

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There was a article about this today following the Office Of National Statistics report.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-inflation-ons

Hugh 03-11-2022 12:47

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Bank of England expects UK to fall into longest ever recession

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63471725

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The Bank of England has warned the UK is facing its longest recession since records began, as it raised interest rates by the most in 33 years.

In its outlook for the UK economy, it said the country would face a "very challenging" two-year slump and unemployment will nearly double.

It lifted UK interest rates to 3% from 2.25%, the biggest jump since 1989.

It takes borrowing costs to their highest since 2008, when the UK banking system faced collapse.

daveeb 03-11-2022 14:10

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36139203)
Bank of England expects UK to fall into longest ever recession

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63471725

It's amazing that Bojo and even Truss forgot to mention anything about it as recently as last month. :erm:

Paul 03-11-2022 15:41

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36139205)
It's amazing that Bojo and even Truss forgot to mention anything about it as recently as last month. :erm:

It would be much more amzing if they had mentioned it, do you think they can time travel ?

daveeb 03-11-2022 16:00

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36139212)
It would be much more amzing if they had mentioned it, do you think they can time travel ?

They could have borrowed Rishi Sunaks time machine then, he seemed to have a pretty good idea. Failing that the OBR could have given them a gentle nudge had they bothered to consult them.

Taf 03-11-2022 16:02

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In economics, a recession is a business cycle contraction when there is a general decline in economic activity. Recessions generally occur when there is a widespread drop in spending.
I think energy costs are going to stop, or reduce drastically, public spending for a long while.

1andrew1 03-11-2022 16:11

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36139216)
I think energy costs are going to stop, or reduce drastically, public spending for a long while.

Gas costs for energy retailer are coming down and so far it's a mlld winter. But energy retailers have contracted at expensive rates out of necessity so high prices will continue for six months or so. Fingers crossed for after that!

Sephiroth 03-11-2022 17:34

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The BoE have completely lost the plot. How on earth does an interest rate hike bring down the energy price? It's objective is to stop people from buying stuff so that internal prices don't rise. But this will lead to unemployment and neither the people in work nor those laid off will be able to pay their mortgages. In time of recession, interest rates should fall.


Hugh 03-11-2022 17:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139222)
The BoE have completely lost the plot. How on earth does an interest rate hike bring down the energy price? It's objective is to stop people from buying stuff so that internal prices don't rise. But this will lead to unemployment and neither the people in work nor those laid off will be able to pay their mortgages. In time of recession, interest rates should fall.


This is the Times explanation

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-men...nterest-rates/

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How does increasing interest rates reduce inflation?

Before December 2021, interest rates had been at a record low so people were encouraged to borrow money because it was cheap. Meanwhile the interest rates on savings accounts were pitiful so there was little incentive to save, meaning people tended to spend instead.

But rising interest rates have increased the cost of borrowing money. In this environment, consumers and businesses are put off from spending or borrowing.

There is now more incentive for people to save their money rather than spend it as they can earn some interest.

But as demand for goods and services fall, this should in theory have a knock-on effect on prices by preventing costs from rising. Shops might even reduce the cost of goods to try to encourage people to buy them.

This is why increasing the Bank rate is like a lever for slowing down inflation.
This is exactly what the Bank of England’s MPC decided to do on 16 December when they voted to raise the cost of borrowing from the record low of 0.1%, and again in February, March, May, June, August and September. The rate is currently 3%.

The rise will be felt by those with mortgages that track the base rate of interest, while those on fixed rate deals may find that rates have increased when it comes to remortgaging. The base rate also impacts other borrowing such as credit cards, personal loans and car loans.

With a weak economy, increasing prices, and static wages, there is a fear that the UK risks falling into “stagflation”.

jfman 03-11-2022 18:05

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139222)
The BoE have completely lost the plot. How on earth does an interest rate hike bring down the energy price? It's objective is to stop people from buying stuff so that internal prices don't rise. But this will lead to unemployment and neither the people in work nor those laid off will be able to pay their mortgages. In time of recession, interest rates should fall.


Free market capitalists would rather people get poorer, and unemployment increase, to reduce demand than admit the fake free market for energy doesn’t work.

ianch99 03-11-2022 18:27

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36139226)
Free market capitalists would rather people get poorer, and unemployment increase, to reduce demand than admit the fake free market for energy doesn’t work.

It works very well for them so they do not really need admit anything. You could say that we, the consumer, should be up in arms about how much we are being ripped off but, to be fair, enough of us voted for the Party that implemented this, so it is sort of what we voted for.

papa smurf 03-11-2022 18:31

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139222)
The BoE have completely lost the plot. How on earth does an interest rate hike bring down the energy price? It's objective is to stop people from buying stuff so that internal prices don't rise. But this will lead to unemployment and neither the people in work nor those laid off will be able to pay their mortgages. In time of recession, interest rates should fall.


On the other side of the argument interest rates for savers should go up

Taf 03-11-2022 18:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36139230)
On the other side of the argument interest rates for savers should go up

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

One of my savings accounts was paying 1.75% a week ago. It's now paying 1.5%.

papa smurf 03-11-2022 18:44

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36139232)
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

One of my savings accounts was paying 1.75% a week ago. It's now paying 1.5%.

get a better bank;)

Sephiroth 03-11-2022 18:46

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36139233)
get a better bank;)

My HSBC Online Bonus Saver is paying 3%.

Chris 03-11-2022 18:50

Re: Rising cost of living
 
Give these folk a go, a reliable source tells me they’re good:


Mr K 03-11-2022 18:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139234)
My HSBC Online Bonus Saver is paying 3%.

And inflation is 10%.. so losing 7% a year.

I have some national savings index linked bonds they track inflation,they are very beautiful things:)

papa smurf 03-11-2022 18:53

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139234)
My HSBC Online Bonus Saver is paying 3%.

Is there a limit on the amount they pay out on , some only allow a small amount of money in the account that attracts interest

Mr K 03-11-2022 18:58

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36139239)
Is there a limit on the amount they pay out on , some only allow a small amount of money in the account that attracts interest

10k limit on the HSBC Online Saver, more than that and they pay 0.5%. Not enough for my millions unfortunately...

Julian 03-11-2022 19:00

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The limp dumbs are priceless aren't they. :rolleyes:

Suggesting that people with mortgages should be given government help!

Pretty sure no mortgage adviser suggested the interest rate would never go up.

The idiotic, uncontrolled splashing of cash during covid means people now think the state will pay for anything.

papa smurf 03-11-2022 19:01

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36139240)
10k limit on the HSBC Online Saver, more than that and they pay 0.5%. Not enough for my millions unfortunately...

Yea:( my santander account only pays out on the first £20k and bugger all on the rest.

Sephiroth 03-11-2022 19:09

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36139239)
Is there a limit on the amount they pay out on , some only allow a small amount of money in the account that attracts interest

£10,000 and then 0.75%.

Mr K 03-11-2022 19:46

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139246)
£10,000 and then 0.75%.

Nope, its 0.5% over £10k.

Sephiroth 03-11-2022 20:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36139251)
Nope, its 0.5% over £10k.

HSBC: 0.75% over £10K. https://www.hsbc.co.uk/savings/interest-rates/

Mr K 03-11-2022 20:27

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36139253)

Fair enough, I stand corrected !
It's 0.5% if you're cheeky enough to withdraw anything in a month.

Whichever way its a lot less than the 10% inflation atm.

jfman 03-11-2022 20:33

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36139241)
The limp dumbs are priceless aren't they. :rolleyes:

Suggesting that people with mortgages should be given government help!

Pretty sure no mortgage adviser suggested the interest rate would never go up.

The idiotic, uncontrolled splashing of cash during covid means people now think the state will pay for anything.

It’s the fact the state has never paid for anything that’s put us in this £3 trillion mess.

papa smurf 04-11-2022 17:45

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Electric cars are to be subject to vehicle excise duty for the first time under measures to be introduced by Jeremy Hunt, the UK chancellor, in this month’s Autumn Statement.

People briefed on Hunt’s plans said that applying road tax to electric vehicles was the first sign of a chancellor “dipping a toe in the water” to address the fall in motoring tax revenues caused by the transition to battery-powered vehicles, as their owners also avoid paying fuel duty.

Last year the Treasury warned that “new sources of revenue” would be needed as the country switches to EVs. Fuel duty and VED raise about £35bn for the exchequer but the Office for Budget Responsibility has forecast that the growing share of electric car sales would cut motoring tax revenues by £2.1bn by 2026-27.

https://www.ft.com/content/405467f9-...8-2582890e7820
ooh heck never saw that coming

heero_yuy 04-11-2022 17:52

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I don't suppose it will be long before the electricity for EV's will be subject to extra tax as well.

Motorist is always the milchcow. :rolleyes:

Pierre 04-11-2022 18:15

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36139336)
Electric cars are to be subject to vehicle excise duty for the first time under measures to be introduced by Jeremy Hunt, the UK chancellor, in this month’s Autumn Statement.

People briefed on Hunt’s plans said that applying road tax to electric vehicles was the first sign of a chancellor “dipping a toe in the water” to address the fall in motoring tax revenues caused by the transition to battery-powered vehicles, as their owners also avoid paying fuel duty.

Last year the Treasury warned that “new sources of revenue” would be needed as the country switches to EVs. Fuel duty and VED raise about £35bn for the exchequer but the Office for Budget Responsibility has forecast that the growing share of electric car sales would cut motoring tax revenues by £2.1bn by 2026-27.

https://www.ft.com/content/405467f9-...8-2582890e7820
ooh heck never saw that coming

Road pricing is the only sensible way forward. You pay for the mileage you do.

There will have to be various caveats in-built into any system to cover lack of public transport, business etc.

mrmistoffelees 04-11-2022 19:25

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36139338)
Road pricing is the only sensible way forward. You pay for the mileage you do.

There will have to be various caveats in-built into any system to cover lack of public transport, business etc.

Makes sense to a degree, bet you it includes where and when as well though

Paul 04-11-2022 22:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36139338)
Road pricing is the only sensible way forward. You pay for the mileage you do.

In practical terms, how would you implement such a PAYG system ?

Mr K 04-11-2022 22:46

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36139351)
In practical terms, how would you implement such a PAYG system ?

Bung all the tax on fuel?
Not sure how they'd charge for electric vehicles.


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