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Paul 07-10-2023 21:48
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161450)
The problem with sea/flood defences is that water has a habit of going round the sides, its sneaky like that.
Gosh, I bet no one thought of that, esp the designers and builders of them. :rolleyes:

Pierre 07-10-2023 21:59
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161417)
Don’t Look Up!
No! Very disappointing.

TheDaddy 08-10-2023 05:47
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161334)
Why would anyone not consider their own demise ?

The UK accounts for less than 1% of global greenhouse emissions, so we should absolutely consider if its really worth all the pain and cost for something that will have very little effect overall.
Probably well over 100 countries account for less than 1%, if they all cut together we'd be half way there, what's wrong with us leading the way again, I'm sick of us following rather than leading as a force for good and for what it's worth I think that's a really good way of looking at it, this is about the demise of our children and grandchildren and as ever it'll be the poor who suffer first but money won't insulate even the richest amongst us forever

Sephiroth 08-10-2023 10:00
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161489)
Probably well over 100 countries account for less than 1%, if they all cut together we'd be half way there, what's wrong with us leading the way again, I'm sick of us following rather than leading as a force for good and for what it's worth I think that's a really good way of looking at it, this is about the demise of our children and grandchildren and as ever it'll be the poor who suffer first but money won't insulate even the richest amongst us forever


What’s wrong with taking the lead?

I’ll tell you what’s wrong and if you can’t see that, you and others like you, are fools.

For our 1% we’ll be truly beggared and China will be laughing all the way down to the coal mines. Simples.

This stupid talk about sigma 1% and we’re hlfway there - there’s no such thing. Output is as a result of economic activity. You might cobble together just a few one percenters of comparable emissions.

What makes you come out with this nonsense?

Hugh 08-10-2023 10:32
Re: Climate Change
 
https://media.tenor.com/NzpaNXvnepMA...ers-cranky.gif

Mr K 08-10-2023 10:42
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161500)
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Point of order its a Marathon, not Snickers.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161494)


What’s wrong with taking the lead?
Because we're a fantastic world leading country. Where we go, others follow. Remember ? Or is it Little decaying England after all.

TheDaddy 08-10-2023 12:30
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161494)


What’s wrong with taking the lead?

I’ll tell you what’s wrong and if you can’t see that, you and others like you, are fools.

For our 1% we’ll be truly beggared and China will be laughing all the way down to the coal mines. Simples.

This stupid talk about sigma 1% and we’re hlfway there - there’s no such thing. Output is as a result of economic activity. You might cobble together just a few one percenters of comparable emissions.

What makes you come out with this nonsense?

We don't have to ruin the economy bellend, we could just stick to what we said we'd do and not sell permits for new oil fields in the north sea and you know what you're right, in terms of pollution per capita we are not 1% probably significantly higher

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161503)
Point of order its a Marathon, not Snickers.

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Because we're a fantastic world leading country. Where we go, others follow. Remember ? Or is it Little decaying England after all.
Not sure why he's doing down the country

jfman 08-10-2023 12:39
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161503)
Because we're a fantastic world leading country. Where we go, others follow. Remember ? Or is it Little decaying England after all.
Shrodinger's England.

Sephiroth 08-10-2023 15:34
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161519)
We don't have to ruin the economy bellend, we could just stick to what we said we'd do and not sell permits for new oil fields in the north sea and you know what you're right, in terms of pollution per capita we are not 1% probably significantly higher

<SNIP>

If you're going to call me that, make sure you're right.

The per capita emission means nothing. It's lower in China because tens of millions of Chinese are not major emitters. What's China's population? c. 20x ours?

The oil & gas permits, if the stuff comes to us, saves us from importing the stuff which will save people money because they can continue using their assets.

I'm not the "bellend" here.

TheDaddy 08-10-2023 16:25
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161534)

If you're going to call me that, make sure you're right.

The per capita emission means nothing. It's lower in China because tens of millions of Chinese are not major emitters. What's China's population? c. 20x ours?

The oil & gas permits, if the stuff comes to us, saves us from importing the stuff which will save people money because they can continue using their assets.

I'm not the "bellend" here.
That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting as iirc Equinor the Norwegian state oil company said 90% of Rosebanks oil reserves will be sold on the open market with the most likely destination being continental Europe, other than that though you are absolutely right

Per capita means nothing? It means everything, it means as individuals we are responsible for more, thought you as a libertarian would be in favour of individual responsibility, obviously not

Sephiroth 08-10-2023 16:35
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161536)
That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting as iirc Equinor the Norwegian state oil company said 90% of Rosebanks oil reserves will be sold on the open market with the most likely destination being continental Europe, other than that though you are absolutely right

Per capita means nothing? It means everything, it means as individuals we are responsible for more, thought you as a libertarian would be in favour of individual responsibility, obviously not

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That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting as iirc Equinor the Norwegian state oil company said 90% of Rosebanks oil reserves will be sold on the open market with the most likely destination being continental Europe, other than that though you are absolutely right
We can agree there.

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Per capita means nothing? It means everything, it means as individuals we are responsible for more, thought you as a libertarian would be in favour of individual responsibility, obviously not
We remain in disagreement. Individuals are consumers having invested in what there is. When the government seeks to change what there is, then if it costs an arm and a leg for people currently having a dfficult time, then it's wrong.

ianch99 09-10-2023 10:23
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161405)
Obviously not a movie fan, I’m sure others here get the reference.
What's the movie?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161413)
And you, Ian, need to get real and stop virtue signalling
Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?

Hugh 09-10-2023 10:34
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161584)
What's the movie?

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Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?
https://64.media.tumblr.com/c74800ec...d6c46462f.gifv

ianch99 09-10-2023 11:04
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161589)
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A meme to the rescue! Thank you

OLD BOY 09-10-2023 13:43
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161584)
…we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?
Historically, maybe, but not now. We have done more than any other country to get where we are now and the commitments we have made to get to net zero by 2050 are unchanged and will be honoured.

Given that, we should be focussing now on what other countries, who are currently contributing far more to the excess carbon being generated, are doing.

Agonising on what happened here in the past is not helpful or appropriate. What is important is where we are now and the extent to which other countries are honouring their own commitments.

But of course, it’s easier for the usual suspects just to continue to bash Britain at every opportunity. As always, that’s a given.

jfman 09-10-2023 13:44
Re: Climate Change
 
Is there a source for the claim “more than any other country”? Or is it just typical hyperbole?

Paul 09-10-2023 15:05
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161596)
We have done more than any other country to get where we are now
Based on what ?

jonbxx 09-10-2023 16:06
Re: Climate Change
 
The UK is pretty good at greenhouse gas emissions but it is worth considering how we are where we are. A big contribution would be outsourcing heavy greenhouse gas emitting activities to other countries such as China and India.

It’s a great way to reduce emissions locally but does nothing globally. Emissions based import taxation will hopefully push countries to clean up their act.

Sephiroth 09-10-2023 16:23
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161584)
What's the movie?

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Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?
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What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?

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pip08456 09-10-2023 18:08
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161616)
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What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?

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Correct Seph, our outsuorcing manufacturing does nothing to reduce or overall CO2 pollution, it just puts on someone else. The company then can sell the excess allowance (as it hasn't produced in the UK) on the open maket.

OLD BOY 09-10-2023 19:12
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161597)
Is there a source for the claim “more than any other country”? Or is it just typical hyperbole?
Why, do you know different?

jfman 09-10-2023 19:29
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161637)
Why, do you know different?
:rofl:

I'll file it under 'H' for hyperbole.

OLD BOY 09-10-2023 19:58
Re: Climate Change
 
We are doing pretty well as a country here, despite your wishing to talk this country down at every opportunity. The PM made clear at the Conservative Party Conference that the UK is doing more to achieve its targets than any other country and therefore we have flexibility to relax some of the downsides for the population.

We’re certainly doing well on reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...ed-nc.png.webp

jfman 09-10-2023 20:04
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161639)
We are doing pretty well as a country here, despite your wishing to talk this country down at every opportunity. The PM made clear at the Conservative Party Conference that the UK is doing more to achieve its targets than any other country and therefore we have flexibility to relax some of the downsides for the population.

We’re certainly doing well on reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...ed-nc.png.webp
That'll do, thanks. Not doing more than any other country instead doing the entirely subjective "well".

ianch99 09-10-2023 20:37
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36161616)

What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?
So it will be easy then :D

Paul 09-10-2023 22:45
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161637)
Why, do you know different?
He wasnt the one making the claim, so can you back it up or not ?

OLD BOY 10-10-2023 23:11
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161666)
He wasnt the one making the claim, so can you back it up or not ?
I was merely quoting Rishi Sunak. If someone wants to challenge that, it’s up to them to provide the evidence not me.

I’m not playing these stupid games any more. It’s just trolling and someone should be calling it out.

Fat chance of that, unfortunately.

Paul 11-10-2023 02:55
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161741)
I was merely quoting Rishi Sunak. If someone wants to challenge that, it’s up to them to provide the evidence not me.

I’m not playing these stupid games any more. It’s just trolling and someone should be calling it out.

Fat chance of that, unfortunately.
So no, you cannot back it up then.

The one playing stupid games is you, and yes, someone did call you out.

1andrew1 11-10-2023 07:57
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36161741)
I was merely quoting Rishi Sunak. If someone wants to challenge that, it’s up to them to provide the evidence not me.

I’m not playing these stupid games any more. It’s just trolling and someone should be calling it out.

Fat chance of that, unfortunately.
You're your own worst enemy here, Old Boy. If you want to quote Sunak, put his actual words in quotation marks with a link. Then people's beef will be with him and not you.

There's also some flawed logic on show here.

Some countries like the UK have had to do more than others to achieve their targets because they were in a far worse starting position.

Even today, France, for example still has less to do than the UK as some 88% of its energy is from zero emission sources.
https://ember-climate.org/countries-...ntries/france/

The UK generates about 60% of its energy from zero emission sources so still needs to do more than France.
https://ember-climate.org/countries-...nited-kingdom/

Itshim 12-10-2023 18:53
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161446)
I'm pretty sure petrol/diesel vehicles can catch fire in a crash as well.
Understand Luton airport car park fire was ev . Have no idea but wonder if their are any checked figures, seems to be happening a lot at the moment. Had call today one went up near my house in BR , have a burnt lawn :shocked: think I will cancel my order at least for the moment. Really would like to get one , but catching fire while parked up is too much for me. Heard of laptops etc going up but a car

Hugh 12-10-2023 18:58
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36161854)
Understand Luton airport car park fire was ev . Have no idea but wonder if their are any checked figures, seems to be happening a lot at the moment. Had call today one went up near my house in BR , have a burnt lawn :shocked: think I will cancel my order at least for the moment. Really would like to get one , but catching fire while parked up is too much for me. Heard of laptops etc going up but a car
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-67077996

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It is thought the fire started with a diesel-powered vehicle "and then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread", said Andrew Hopkinson, Bedfordshire's chief fire officer.

Pierre 12-10-2023 21:41
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161855)
As I understand it, it was a hybrid. Range Rover.

So both reports are correct.

Paul 03-09-2024 00:38
Re: Climate Change
 
Seems Gobal Warming took the year off, at least in the UK.

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Coolest UK summer since 2015
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cdd7pzdr22jo

Mr K 03-09-2024 08:28
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182392)
Seems Gobal Warming took the year off, at least in the UK.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cdd7pzdr22jo
Not for the World unfortunately, 2024 is set to be the warmest year on record , beating a record only set in 2023. We should be very worried. This is progressing faster than the worst predictions.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/2024-track...y?id=112643940

Chris 03-09-2024 08:29
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182392)
Seems Gobal Warming took the year off, at least in the UK.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cdd7pzdr22jo
Global surface temperature has now been the highest since records began (in 1850) for 14 consecutive months.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/mon.../global/202407

These record high temperatures are shifting climate patterns. It has been cooler here because the additional global heat has shifted the polar jet stream southwards and exposed us to wet, cloudy weather than would otherwise have been confined further north. However, south of the jet stream, continental Europe has been cooking, again.

Pierre 03-09-2024 11:00
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182404)
Not for the World unfortunately, 2024 is set to be the warmest year on record , beating a record only set in 2023. We should be very worried. This is progressing faster than the worst predictions.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/2024-track...y?id=112643940
According to "predictions" in 1970, we should all be dead or living in a dystopian nightmare by now.

So, I'll still sleep soundly tonight.

Chris 03-09-2024 11:05
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182423)
According to "predictions" in 1970, we should all be dead or living in a dystopian nightmare by now.

So, I'll still sleep soundly tonight.
Like this?



:D

Damien 03-09-2024 21:12
Re: Climate Change
 
Weather is not the same as climate. We go around on this every time there is a heatwave, cold snap or freak weather event.

Climate change will lead to the climate changing. That can be warmer in some places, colder in others and result in more frequent weather events. However, any one summer, winter or event itself is not indicative.

papa smurf 03-09-2024 21:19
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36182405)
Global surface temperature has now been the highest since records began (in 1850) for 14 consecutive months.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/mon.../global/202407

These record high temperatures are shifting climate patterns. It has been cooler here because the additional global heat has shifted the polar jet stream southwards and exposed us to wet, cloudy weather than would otherwise have been confined further north. However, south of the jet stream, continental Europe has been cooking, again.

wow considering the earth is 4.543 billion years old thats a lot of data

Paul 03-09-2024 22:00
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182460)
wow considering the earth is 4.543 billion years old thats a lot of data
Heres some for the last 500 Million years.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/09/2.png

We are in a cool period atm, but getting warmer.
From what I can find, it was the coolest about 20,000 years ago.
It slowly warmed up again until about 10,000 years ago it was fractionally warmer than now.

Since then its slowly cooled down slightly, until recent times when its started to warm up again.
Its approching levels similar to about 11,000 years ago, and before that, about 5 million years ago.

Some 55 million years ago it was about 14C warmer than now.
The ice caps formed about 35 million years ago, as it cooled down.

In the grand scheme, we are still cooler than most of the life of the earth.
However, in recent history, its about the warmest its been in the last 12,000 years.

Pierre 03-09-2024 22:11
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182460)
wow considering the earth is 4.543 billion years old thats a lot of data
0.000004%

And the continuous rise has been for 0.0000003%

The Earth is doing what the Earth does, 99% of everything that has ever lived on this planet is now extinct.

Our time on this planet has been minuscule. The last dinosaur lived closest to us than it did to the first dinosaur.

To think that it’s us and cows that are driving climate change, and that we’ve managed to do it in the last 260 years.

To think We’ve managed to destroy the planet in the last 0.000006% of the planets existence, is very efficient, combined with a lot of Hubris.

The planet will be just fine, life on Earth will continue for another 5-8 billion years. Our descendants may, or may not, not be part of it.

Damien 04-09-2024 08:45
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182462)

In the grand scheme, we are still cooler than most of the life of the earth.
However, in recent history, its about the warmest its been in the last 12,000 years.
It's the speed that's the problem. Most warming periods, at least since life has been around, were so gradual they are imperceptible in a human lifetime. Even in a civilisation lifetime.

The last increase took about 20,000 years to rise 6c. We've done that 1c in about 100 years. It's dramatically faster.

tweetiepooh 04-09-2024 09:08
Re: Climate Change
 
It is also that us humans have spread out and populated areas that are vulnerable to small climate changes and have also put in boundaries so populations can't simply relocate.

OLD BOY 07-09-2024 12:31
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36182483)
It's the speed that's the problem. Most warming periods, at least since life has been around, were so gradual they are imperceptible in a human lifetime. Even in a civilisation lifetime.

The last increase took about 20,000 years to rise 6c. We've done that 1c in about 100 years. It's dramatically faster.
There have also been periods of more sudden climate change, the Little Ice Age being one of them.

Chris 07-09-2024 13:05
Re: Climate Change
 
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There have also been periods of more sudden climate change, the Little Ice Age being one of them.
This was a regional phenomenon which only affected the North Atlantic Ocean and neighbouring land masses. Its effect on global average temperatures was extremely modest and really not sudden at all in comparison to what’s happening now.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1725710671

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

papa smurf 07-09-2024 13:50
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36182617)
This was a regional phenomenon which only affected the North Atlantic Ocean and neighbouring land masses. Its effect on global average temperatures was extremely modest and really not sudden at all in comparison to what’s happening now.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1725710671

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia, or as a source for copying or translating content. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, and any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect.

source the unreliable wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...ly%20incorrect.

Chris 07-09-2024 14:06
Re: Climate Change
 
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia, or as a source for copying or translating content. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, and any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect.

source the unreliable wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...ly%20incorrect.
OK. Here’s the northern hemisphere dataset presented by the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1725714140

https://archive.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/...1/figspm-1.htm

The same dataset is presented by the Open University:

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/natur...-section-2.2.2

At some point it’d be great if you could ditch the tiresome quips and engage with the subject.

Paul 07-09-2024 15:11
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182618)
Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia, or as a source for copying or translating content. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time.time.
Wikipedia is a reliable source, edits are monitored, and vandalism or incorrect information generally gets fixed pretty quickly, especially on popular subjects/pages. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no reason to believe any information is incorrect. If you can prove otherwise, you can of course edit/correct it yourself.

That article is simply to discourage using another wikipedia article as a citation.
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This page in a nutshell: Do not use a Wikipedia article as a source for another Wikipedia article.
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This page is about using Wikipedia as a citation in another Wikipedia article and not about using Wikipedia in general.

papa smurf 07-09-2024 15:21
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182621)
Wikipedia is a reliable source, edits are monitored, and vandalism or incorrect information generally gets fixed pretty quickly, especially on popular subjects/pages. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is no reason to believe any information is incorrect. If you can prove otherwise, you can of course edit/correct it yourself.

That article is simply to discourage using another wikipedia article as a citation.
So if i don't like the "truth" i can edit "the truth " to reflect the truth as i see it

Paul 07-09-2024 15:28
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182622)
So if i don't like the "truth" i can edit "the truth " to reflect the truth as i see it
Yes, you can be as big an ass as you want.

Chris 07-09-2024 16:27
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182622)
So if i don't like the "truth" i can edit "the truth " to reflect the truth as i see it
Yes. And then you can watch as people who are suitably qualified undo your edits. Often within an hour.

All decent Wikipedia entries, especially in the sciences and traditional arts subjects, are well referenced and maintained by people who know what they’re doing.

You could try editing it to reflect your truth but you’d just end up looking like a clown.

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So, just because the graphics are nice and clear and it obviously reflects data used by respected organisations, here’s the global temperature graph once more, demonstrating that the ‘little ice age’ was a mere polar bear’s fart compared to the rapid warming occurring now.


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1725710671

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

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Incidentally, the Wikipedia graph uses a dataset first presented by Prof. Ed Hawkins, climate scientist at Reading University. I’d take his “truth” over yours on this topic any day. ;)

Mr K 07-09-2024 17:34
Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36182622)
So if i don't like the "truth" i can edit "the truth " to reflect the truth as i see it
Why don't you check the sea levels at Cleethorpes beach ( whilst it's still there)?
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...h-lost-3764128

Pierre 07-09-2024 20:59
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182627)
Why don't you check the sea levels at Cleethorpes beach ( whilst it's still there)?
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...h-lost-3764128
Well

Quote:
How Cleethorpes beach could be swallowed up forever by rising sea levels
The word “could” working overtime in that headline.

papa smurf 07-09-2024 21:10
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182635)
Well



The word “could” working overtime in that headline.
It supposedly was being swallowed up a long long time ago,but it's still here covered in yorkies every day in the summer

Dude111 09-09-2024 00:52
Someone posted a thread (POLL) on City-data asking ppl which is more real. Climate Change or the Bible and I picked CLIMATE CHANGE on the poll because the bible is made up BS for control!!!

The last I looked the poll was tied 9 to 9

tweetiepooh 09-09-2024 10:00
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36182673)
Someone posted a thread (POLL) on City-data asking ppl which is more real. Climate Change or the Bible and I picked CLIMATE CHANGE on the poll because the bible is made up BS for control!!!

The last I looked the poll was tied 9 to 9
As stated this is a daft question. I can assure you that the Bible is real, I have several on my shelf and more scattered around the house not including electronic versions.


If you mean the content then again the question is foolish as both can be true as they address different issues. You can believe equally in both.



IF you mean which is more reliable then again this is a silly question as they are very different documents.

1andrew1 09-09-2024 10:08
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36182677)
As stated this is a daft question. I can assure you that the Bible is real, I have several on my shelf and more scattered around the house not including electronic versions.

If you mean the content then again the question is foolish as both can be true as they address different issues. You can believe equally in both.

IF you mean which is more reliable then again this is a silly question as they are very different documents.
It's just a click bait poll, I wouldn't worry about it.

Dude111 09-09-2024 16:59
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Yes im surprised Ginnie didnt delete it... (She deletes most everything that she doesnt like it seems)

pip08456 09-09-2024 19:14
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36182677)
As stated this is a daft question. I can assure you that the Bible is real, I have several on my shelf and more scattered around the house not including electronic versions.


If you mean the content then again the question is foolish as both can be true as they address different issues. You can believe equally in both.



IF you mean which is more reliable then again this is a silly question as they are very different documents.
Really? That is merely your opinion and belief. I have no problem in you believing whatever you wish to.

Paul 09-09-2024 20:08
Re: Climate Change
 
The bible is definitely real, I've seen many, that's not an opinion or belief.
As to the contents of it, well they are real, as in it definitely has some content.
Are the contents truthfull, well thats a different question, open to opinion or belief.

Either way, its way off topic, so lets get back to the actual topic.

ianch99 09-09-2024 20:58
Re: Climate Change
 
Do you think that Climate Change denial is approaching the same level as Flat Earthers and their beliefs, or is there a way to go before the significant majority of people agree with the scientific consensus on how fast the climate is adversely changing?

Bear in mind that there will always be those who take a contrarian position for various reasons e.g. money. fame, etc.

Paul 09-09-2024 21:38
Re: Climate Change
 
While it many be changing, "adversely" is probably a matter of opinion.
I'm sure a lot of life will be quite happy with (and/or adapt to) a rise in temperature.
I'm sure humans in some areas will benefit - as well as those in other areas who will not.

After this year a warmer UK summer would be nice :D

Mr K 09-09-2024 21:40
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36182722)
Do you think that Climate Change denial is approaching the same level as Flat Earthers and their beliefs, or is there a way to go before the significant majority of people agree with the scientific consensus on how fast the climate is adversely changing?

Bear in mind that there will always be those who take a contrarian position for various reasons e.g. money. fame, etc.
Think you've nailed it with 'contrarian' position for the sake of it. The climate change evidence is overwhelming, pretending otherwise is being a plonker for kicks.
[trolling comment removed]

They'll be the first to complain when the flood water comes throught the door. They'll probably blame the 'Liberal elite' for making water 'bigger'....

Pierre 09-09-2024 22:44
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36182722)
Do you think that Climate Change denial is approaching the same level as Flat Earthers and their beliefs,
Flat Earthers are idiots.

“Climate Change denial” however is a bit more nuanced. No one can deny that the climate is changing. What is up for debate though is how much are we influencing it, and how much we can mitigate the outcomes of it.

The world is not ending and climate change, for the most part, is one massive grift.

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2024 17:13
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161866)
As I understand it, it was a hybrid. Range Rover.

So both reports are correct.
Actually, no, you’re wrong as is confirmed by the report

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...uton%20DART%22.

Pierre 10-09-2024 19:53
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36182771)
Actually, no, you’re wrong as is confirmed by the report

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...uton%20DART%22.
Well I wasn’t speaking from a position of authority, but thanks for correcting a post I made almost 12 months ago.

Mod Edit - trolling insult removed

Dude111 10-09-2024 21:24
Climate change is worrying... Oceans could rise and flood coastal areas.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
After this year a warmer UK summer would be nice :D
Im sorry it wasnt too warm this year.. What was your average temp Paul? (I hope it got to 23 or above most days)

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Paul 11-09-2024 15:18
Re: Climate Change
 
Well what summer we had now seems to be going away, my heating came to life last night.
Thats pretty much the first time since the start of June (there were about 3 days in early July).

heero_yuy 11-09-2024 17:03
Re: Climate Change
 
They're forecasting a widespread frost Thursday night. Even down south.

Dude111 11-09-2024 17:59
Wow A frost already??

I feel bad for ya'll :(

pip08456 11-09-2024 18:10
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36182785)
Climate change is worrying... Oceans could rise and flood coastal areas.......

Im sorry it wasnt too warm this year.. What was your average temp Paul? (I hope it got to 23 or above most days)

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I returned last week after almost 6 weeks in Ukraine, it was never less than 30 every day all the time I was there.

OLD BOY 13-09-2024 00:34
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36182813)
They're forecasting a widespread frost Thursday night. Even down south.
Yep. The temperature forecast here is 3 degrees, which is basically ground frost!

Paul 13-09-2024 00:36
Re: Climate Change
 
Its 5.1C here atm, forecast is 4C at around 5am, not frost at those temperatures.

Dude111 13-09-2024 03:29
Wow I cant believe its 5 Paul and its only september!!

I guess you were right about this summer not being very nice!!

Im so sorry :(

Taf 13-09-2024 10:42
Re: Climate Change
 
I don't normally put the heating on until mid-November, but I noticed plumes of steam from several nearby houses this morning as theirs kick-in.

Pierre 13-09-2024 12:21
Re: Climate Change
 
still too warm for heating to be on.

if there's an odd chilly night, I may fire up the wood burner but that's it.

papa smurf 13-09-2024 13:42
Re: Climate Change
 
I have to admit i sparked up old smokie [the stove] on monday

Stephen 13-09-2024 19:13
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182888)
still too warm for heating to be on.

if there's an odd chilly night, I may fire up the wood burner but that's it.
Not here in Scotland been pretty cool this week, 14-15 during the day and as low as 6 degrees overnight. My heating has come on a few times this week as my temp is set to trigger the heating when the house dips below 20 degrees.

Mr K 14-09-2024 18:08
Re: Climate Change
 
Think we're confusing climate change with this week's weather....
2024 is on the way to becoming the warmest humanity has measured worldwide. The glaciers we have left are melting rapidly. That should alarm us.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-summer-record

Stephen 14-09-2024 18:25
Re: Climate Change
 
Yet we had the wetest August.

Mr K 14-09-2024 19:03
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182920)
Yet we had the wetest August.
Increased temps, mean heavier and increased rainfall for the UK. Warmer air can hold more water. Yet drought and forest fires elsewhere.

Forget Putin or Trump, this is the world's biggest threat. If only we weren't too busy fighting each other.

Pierre 14-09-2024 21:40
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182921)
this is the world's biggest threat.
No it isn’t, not anywhere near.

Is it humanity’s biggest threat? Potentially, I don’t think so. I believe we can overcome any issues presented by climate change, and not by net zero.

The world? The world couldn’t give a shit. The world will be just fine and will continue to be the home to thousands of civilisations far after ours has ended.

mrmistoffelees 15-09-2024 08:08
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36182927)
No it isn’t, not anywhere near.

Is it humanity’s biggest threat? Potentially, I don’t think so. I believe we can overcome any issues presented by climate change, and not by net zero.

The world? The world couldn’t give a shit. The world will be just fine and will continue to be the home to thousands of civilisations far after ours has ended.
This last part ? (Well perhaps apart from
Microplastics) Bang on we’re a mere micro second in the history of the universe , quite probably in a few thousand years no one will ever know we ever existed.

BUT just imho

For the time we as a species have left on this world I think the aim is to make life better for the generations that follow us. Climate change will ultimately lead to significant displacement of people and significant increases in geo political tensions

Mr K 11-07-2025 12:41
Re: Climate Change
 
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.

Stephen 11-07-2025 14:56
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199153)
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.
What climate issue :D its just summer :p:

OLD BOY 11-07-2025 16:38
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199153)
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.
No, it won’t go away through our silly efforts to reduce carbon emissions. We need to re-establish the world’s forests, but I can’t see that happening anytime soon. The recent devastation of the Amazon rainforest is going to be recognised as a devastating disaster for the planet in years to come.

By the way, it has been hotter than this before, as climate records show.

Mr K 11-07-2025 18:12
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199158)
By the way, it has been hotter than this before, as climate records show.
It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.

Pierre 11-07-2025 18:41
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199153)
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.
Hot few days in summer alert, don’t worry temperature drops on Monday.

Mr K 11-07-2025 18:58
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199168)
Hot few days in summer alert, don’t worry temperature drops on Monday.
Monday's weather is irrelevant
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Itshim 11-07-2025 19:02
Re: Climate Change
 
Still clearly remember be warned that the next ice age is on its way

OLD BOY 14-07-2025 15:37
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199166)
It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.
If you go rather further back, you will see that suddenly climate changes have happened before. The most recent was the little ice age that occurred between 1300 and 1870.There have been much warmer periods, too, but your graph only goes back a few hundred years.

Sephiroth 17-07-2025 22:32
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199166)
It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.
Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).

Mr K 17-07-2025 23:24
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199451)
Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).
Nothing natural about the current rate of warming. Exponential curve, look it up.

papa smurf 18-07-2025 08:21
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199172)
Still clearly remember be warned that the next ice age is on its way
and we lived through that, i seem to recall it happened on a Wednesday in December:shocked:

Damien 18-07-2025 08:29
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199451)
Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).
It has accelerated over the last 200 years. Warming previously took geological ages to increase, not decades. It gives life a chance to adapt because the environment didn't radically change within lifetimes.

The exception has been the extinction events, when there was sudden climate change, such as the event that wiped out the dinosaurs. But none of the precursors to those events have occurred for us. There was been no geological event that has sparked this current rate of warming.

We have been slowly warming since the last ice age as well. Just as had happened previously. But we're talking a very long time to slowly warm up. It's increased massively in just decades.

I have posted graphs before on this, but maybe this XKCD comic showing the warming since the last ice age, and the development of humans, is better. Look how slowly it's warmed compared up until the last hundred years: https://xkcd.com/1732/

TheDaddy 18-07-2025 12:04
Re: Climate Change
 
Shell and exxon knew the damage they were doing in the mid 80's and admitted it privately, why do people seem to think they know better than them? Nearly 200 years ago scientists worked out what the greenhouse effect on the planet would be and their predictions are coming to pass as are shell and exxons from 45 years ago but here we are, people still refusing to being the evidence of their own eyes, it's like being in a cult, a death cult.

Sephiroth 18-07-2025 16:17
Re: Climate Change
 
Would it be fair to say that, given the "few thousand years" cycle, had industrialisation not happened, then in a couple of hundred years' time humanity would be facing the same challenge as we seem to face now?

We just need to deal with this challenge sensibly, for example buying time with nuclear power while better energy solutions are found.

Mr K 18-07-2025 17:43
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199490)
Would it be fair to say that, given the "few thousand years" cycle, had industrialisation not happened, then in a couple of hundred years' time humanity would be facing the same challenge as we seem to face now?

We just need to deal with this challenge sensibly, for example buying time with nuclear power while better energy solutions are found.
Think you've lost the plot over timescales here. Natural change happens over thousands of years, this has happened over decades and is escalating out of control at an ever increasing rate. It'll get to a point where we can't do anything about it. We may have already passed that point. But we should still try (the majority won't as its inconvenient, will cost, and always tomorrow's / the next generations problem).

Sephiroth 18-07-2025 18:35
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199491)
Think you've lost the plot over timescales here. Natural change happens over thousands of years, this has happened over decades and is escalating out of control at an ever increasing rate. It'll get to a point where we can't do anything about it. We may have already passed that point. But we should still try (the majority won't as its inconvenient, will cost, and always tomorrow's / the next generations problem).
You seem not to have read my question properly.

Mr K 18-07-2025 20:33
Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199493)
You seem not to have read my question properly.
I read it alright, and it's a daft question given the rate of climate change which is clearly not natural. If there's natural warming on top of that then we really are stuffed.


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