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I watch the GB news breakfast show, it’s basically the Sky breakfast show from 10years ago, when Sky was watchable.

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It's just poor journalism and a clear conflict of interest by the MPs themselves to interviewed their own PM. Surely you can see this?

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I don't bother with any news channels now, I'll sometimes look at BBC news website . . for about 2 minutes, just to see if there's anything different from the day (week) before :rolleyes:

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Radio 4 had a problem getting any Conservative ministers to appear on its programme just a few months ago. And that’s your beloved BBC!

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Not sure it’s a "problem" if they won’t turn up because they might have to answer questions they are uncomfortable with - more like cowardice…

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You've just portrayed the conflict of interest neatly - none of the important questions asked. What MP is going to ask difficult questions of their own Prime Minister? Should have been more accurately tagged as a party political broadcast. Disappointing.

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Is Neil Oliver on GB news?

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No, it was their aggressive, left-wing anti-government questioning, snide remarks and the constant interruptions, which left no room for answers. It was ridiculous.

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The person they are interviewing has the power to demote his interviewers. So there is a temptation to not pose any difficult questions as their political careers could suffer. Conversely, a true journalist's career would be enhanced if they asked difficult questions.

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It's going the way of America isn't it? People only want to be interviewed by their own side who give them an easy ride and disappointingly, left or right, you have these bootlicking fanboys who get angry if a politician they support is ever asked a difficult question and demand journalists are subservient to their politicians.

You got it with Corbyn when left-wing twitter would act with rage and fury if Corbyn was never challenged on his positions on something like foreign policy and you get it Johnson as well.

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I think most TV channels don't go down this route as they're stronger than GB News. GB News was doubtless given a take-it-or-leave-it offer and felt it had little to loose. You would not have seen Andrew Neil signing off on such a decision.

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A “Conflict of interest” typically has legal implications, especially for MPs. This was crap journalism (actually not journalism at all … more like an advertorial) but no, it wasn’t a conflict of interest.

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Talk TV starts on 25th April.

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Is that part of your weight loss program?

After-dinner emesis… ;)

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That’s not true currently though is it? Given the state of Labour and the Lib Dem’s (and combined with Johnson’s shift leftwards and spending/taxation sprees), the nearest thing we gave to an opposition right now is back bench Conservative MPs.

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I've seen the promo clips where Trump walks out on Morgan when he's accused of denying the 2020 election results. A good start.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1516870354978934784

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I think TalkTV is going to do a lot better than GB News when it starts. The rollout seems a lot more professional and considered.

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:tu:

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They seem to have some well-known presenters from day one and have even tempted Isabel Oakeshott to leave GB News.

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Well actually looks like a bit of a shaky start to TalkTV in the end: https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/27/piers...lktv-16542705/

Morgan got big numbers for his first show with Trump but they're actually behind GB News who are still quite behind SKY/BBC.

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So why is anyone bothered? What difference does it make? People will watch the news they want but Talk TV is not a news channel, it is a discussion platform, it evolved to TV from Talk Radio

Forgot to also say it is part of the Murdouch (Fox News) empire.

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It's just interesting to see how these new channels do as it's not something we see a lot of in the U.K. Especially these attempts at more partisan and opinionated channels that do well in the United States with MSNBC and Fox News.

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I watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners and listen to the Andrew Doyle podcast of his show and I don't see or hear anything partisan on there. BBC and Sky, when i watch them, come across as much more slanted.

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Or to put it another way, when you watch things that broadly agree/reinforce with your viewpoint, you don’t see/recognise any bias, but when you watch things that don’t support, or May challenge, your views, you see bias…


;)

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I doubt he's capable.

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I haven't watched it for a while but a lot of it was unashamedly, intentionally, polemical. The TV equivalent of an opinion column as opposed to the news section. This was true of Andrew Neil's section, Farage's show and Wootton's show. It's not unbiased to talk about how you're going to confront the woke mob and it's not intended to be.

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Both TalkTV and GB News are actively pitching themselves as 'anti-woke' which is a cultural stance and definitely partisan

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Was anything I said in that post inaccurate?

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Oh, the irony…

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Telling others you can't say certain things or you deserve to be cancelled, fired or even die, is definitely partisan and extremely woke. The "minority" encroaching on the rest of us to agree to their stances.

I haven't yet watched any Talk TV, I can imagine it's free thinking and it is not afraid of discussing difficult conversations, pretty much like GB News does, Sky News and BBC News don't like upsetting folk so avoid controversial views.

For example - the big issue at the moment is transgenderism - There is nothing wrong saying only women have a cervix and only men have a prostate, yet, the pathetic wokeness of today says it's wrong to say this, when it most certainly is not, because science says so, just ask Professor Robert Winston.

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It is but then so is the framing of how you present this problem. It's a debatable premise. GB News' commentary on how they'll fight this 'problem' is also partisan. You may agree with it, you may think it's an honourable fight, but it's not an objective stance.

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It's not about having to fight for something, it's about having common sense, you have laws in Scotland that say 4 year old children can change their sex without parental interference (see https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...dren-education)

This is utterly barbaric, at aged 4, no child should have the mindset that they want to change their sex. But to ban parents to wade in on this strange policy, utterly wrong. This is the kind of view that would not be aired on BBC News or Sky News, because they don't want to upset the woke mob - it's been discussed on GB News - it should be allowed to be said, it's not partisan, it's called free speech.

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A fully 'pro-woke' channel would also be definitely partisan

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I think there is criticism is how they frame it.

For example, I don't think the term woke is that useful and is instead used broadly to mean anything that is deemed too socially progressive to the speaker and/or listener. So it can mean transgenderism as Mick mentioned, it can mean Black Lives Matter, it can mean advocating for homosexual couples to adopt, and it can mean being pro-choice.

I certainly think there is a mob effect on social media where people actively go out to almost destroy anyone who makes the slightest perceived transgression. People for whom context and intention don't matter.

But then I also think there is a racial bias in American policing. That transgender people aren't hurting anyone so leave them alone. So to the likes of Dan Wotton, I am part of a woke mob. It doesn't bother me because I don't believe him to have much of intellect to be able to drill into these positions properly and think about it so he mouths off like a man in the pub, but it is an example of how unless the phrase is.

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Free Speech can still be partisan.

And the BBC do cover it. You linked to Question Time above. That particular issue is discussed here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60214574

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Some people are just nasty.

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Yes, about 52% of the population are ;)

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At least we are always civil to each other:)

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I thought it was just 37% ?

Numbers matter, only when it suits though. ;) :rolleyes:

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Just all of it, otherwise spot on.

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Remember Fiona Bruce ( who got her biology degree from Walmart) countered the good professor with “ there’s many that would disagree with you”.

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What’s unkind about saying he watches and likes things that agree with his views, and doesn’t like things that don’t, and the things that don’t agree with his views, he believes are biased

I think the BBC is biased - I believe it gives too much leeway to the Government, and doesn’t (or rarely) ask the "uncomfortable" questions.

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Cancelling speakers who don't fit with your audience is not a left, right, woke or non-woke thing. For example, we saw GB News cancel Guto Harri as he took the knee thereby offending many viewers.

GB News seems to have stabilised and luring Nigel Farage has been a big success, even if his views on NATO expansion weren't on-message. But it's loss-making and at the whim of its offshore funders in Dubai and at WBD for its long-term future.

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GB News isn't always behind Sky News, they regularly beat them in view count during some time slots.

Anyway, even Piers Morgan show is flopping quite badly, on his debut show with Trump, he had over 400,000 viewers, this dropped to 215,000 on Tuesday night and then last night the viewer count dropped by almost half again to 123,000.

https://order-order.com/2022/04/28/p...s-halve-again/

CNN+ was cancelled last week, barely lasted a month from launch, if this continues for Talk TV, Piers Morgan is suppose to be their flagship star winner, it's in trouble.

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Is Farage still a bum licking No. 1 Trump fan. :td:

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He's still a friend and was chastised recently by Piers Morgan for pointing out to Trump the criticisms Morgan had made about Trump which Morgan saw as an attempt to undermine the Talk TV interview.

To clarify the NATO expansion issue, Farage was somewhat off-message in February when he repeated Putin's line that the Ukraine invasion is a ‘consequence of EU and Nato expansion’.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2022400.html

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Yup. There also seem to be questions on if they misrepresented the Trump interview for ratings and if Morgan does that to someone he claims to be a friend what trust will other interviewees have in him?

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I don't like the way the BBC strives for impartiality and balance at all costs, you don't always have to have the alternative side, if someone tells me it's raining and another that it's not it's not my job to quote them both, it's my job to look out of the window and see which one is true and don't get me started on some of the people they use for balance, an expert with facts, figures and stats to back them up and some twerp of the street with an opinion

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Is this part of your stand up routine? That’s brilliant.

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He’s not wrong though. What they often achieve however, rather than balance, is false equivalence. And when they have to present a big story without a big voice on either side of it, they end up interviewing their own staff, which can often give their main news bulletins a very paternalistic feel (Roger Harrabin, their Environment evangelist Analyst, is the very worst at this).

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I'm just sick of talking heads most of whom I've never heard of and are seldom referred to again.

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seriously?

Are people lying to pollsters when they say it is (IPSOS MORI this week):

The cost of living 67%
The UK government’s policies for dealing with asylum seekers 47%
Climate change 47%
The Covid-19 pandemic 43%
The UK government’s proposals for reducing regional inequalities, also known as levelling-up 42%
The war in Ukraine 38%
Stories about Downing St parties that broke Covid regulations 37%

Transgenderism is an issue to a small number of right wingers - not to anyone else.

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Well, transgender issues absolutely never come up in any conversation I’ve had or have overheard. I suspect it’s only militant trannies and serial societal disrupters who like to talk about this.

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Utter bollocks.

0 out of 10 for taking a line out of my entire post to make a bullshit post about right wing stuff. It’s nothing to do with being right wing to have common sense when it comes to there being just two sexes. And I’ll take a qualified biologist view over your armchair claptrap any day.

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Or Right Wing pundits and newspapers trying to inflame Culture Wars…

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Or actual women trying to protect their sex from being over ridden by men, who change gender but still want to compete in women sports and have the upper hand.

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It’s an issue that is, although quite small in the great scheme of things, gaining traction. It is not Trans-genderism as such, but certainly Gender ideology is infiltrating society and corporations.

Pronouns on email sigs etc.

Personally, I just politely advise that I do not subscribe to gender ideology, as that is all it is, an ideology not based in any fact. I’m also very careful to differentiate between sex and gender. People will push back on it. Especially in regards to male bodied athletes in woman sports and male bodied people in women only spaces……..

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Q E D…

Emotive disparaging inflammatory language….

"War against woke", "vicious war", transgender Nazis"…

Careful, you’re turning into a Republican Congressional Representative

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1651431068

*she’s talking about Disney…

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This is all a very 'online' discussion and yet it generates a lot of anger at something that doesn't impact the day to day lives of the vast majority of people in this country. Richardr is right that most people seem to be concerned about their energy bills and wider cost of living.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Poor, I mean even from you, very poor. It’s a very nuanced discussion, that needs to be discussed.

I would have thought someone of your maturity could see that, but no. Just throw in the right v left attack that achieves absolutely zero.

I’ll await your GIF.

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I agree, it is very much in the Twitter verse.

But it is now over spilling into everyday life and discourse. Cancel culture, normalisation in corporations, in child and infant education (most worryingly).

It’s easy and convenient to dismiss, but it is here. To say the majority are worrying about other things is correct, but be warned thing is growing and should be watched…very carefully.

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While I am not denying there are those who are far too woke, I also believe they aren't as much as a threat as the right would like you to believe. They are merely diverting your attention from their own actions, and trying to make you angry at the left.

And yes, I still believe those who harass others, for whatever reason, are **** and need to be stopped.

Yes, we should respect the rights of every group, but not if it infringes the rights of other minority groups.

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I mentioned nothing of my views, and have no comment on yours. I disagree with you that it is the big issue of today.

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Totally agree…

Using terms like "War against woke", "vicious war", transgender Nazis" isn’t very nuanced, though.

My own views on the subject are very mixed/still forming, because it is a very complex subject - the attacks on Trans people are almost a re-run of the same media attacks in earlier decades on Gay people, but I am uncomfortable with Trans women competing against naturally born women, and I am very uncomfortable with the concept of young children undergoing transitional surgery (if this in fact happens), but when you read of the self-harm/suicide rates of those denied support for transition, it concerns me.

I also think it is wrong for anyone to use the subject to witch-hunt those who disagree with them, whichever side of the discussion/argument they are on…

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I didn’t use any of those terms………….hope that helps.

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No, but you picked up on me opposing them, but felt free not to comment on them.

I actually realised I was being a bit of a dick posting that, so, I deleted those comments whilst you were typing…

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:tu:

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When you look into the stories of those that regret transitioning or detranstioned - you’ll be even more concerned

Agreed, but I think you may find the hate, is not on the side you may think it is.

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I was not talking about every day issues, so no, he wasn’t right, he took my line out of context!

Any way people need to get back on topic.

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As you may know, my niece is in a same-sex relationship, her ex (Names changed was call Alexa is transitioning to a male and is now call Aaron). It isn't why they split, but to my niece, her age group is more tuned to the whole gender ID situation.

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It’s definitely part of their everyday discourse, however so much of that is drawn from social media channels that aren’t known for their balance or intellectual rigour. There are some glaring inconsistencies in gender ideology that are all too often ignored by the shouting down of those who attempt to address them, as well as some uncomfortable issues around equality. To be honest I find the whole issue of men demanding the right to access women-only safe spaces, or access to women’s sports, troubling. Misogyny dressed up as gender equality is still misogyny. A man may declare they feel they’re a woman, and they may choose to live as one; they can even have surgery or take hormones to make themselves resemble one. But no man can ever claim to have the lived experience of birth, growth and development as a girl, into womanhood.

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My gut instinct is that most people in the UK would be against those not born as female competing in women's sports and in children having gender reassignment surgery and/or drugs.

The rest is probably still up for debate and Chris and Hugh have offered some sensible thoughts on this matter.

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Ouch.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...re_btn_tw&s=08

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Farage was broadcasting away from the Studios tonight.

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Good to see GB News hasn't lost its ability to surprise. :D

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GB News beating Talk TV despite massive budget for commercials.

Figures from Barb. Graphic from Media Guido.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1652178223

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Massive difference between 0.1% of the population and 0.01% ;)

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Which is more than I rate the value of your input on these forums. :rolleyes:

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That's awful for TalkTV. Amazingly bad numbers especially how much money they're giving Morgan.

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Pretty disastrous.

Is he going down any better in the US? I've not seen any figures for that country but I assume that broadcasting in the US has enabled his generous salary more than broadcasting in the UK.

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BREAKING: TalkTV trounced in every prime time slot by GBNews. Bosses contemplating a co-host for Piers Morgan show.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1652958016

https://order-order.com/2022/05/19/t...nwatched-show/

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Loved someone's creply on Twitter recently when Morgan thanked one of his viewers "It's not every TV presenter who has the time to thank viewers personally" :D

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He could thank all his viewers in no time, not really sure what the fuss is about, two stations no one watches competing for the least viewers award?

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Looks like there's another right-wing TV service launching from Cable Forum's favourite President.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...nceled-shows05

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Trump-specific programming :erm:

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Programming just for Trump to watch? :confused:

Is he planning on the same kind of viewing figures that Talk TV achieves?

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What 7?