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Chris 02-09-2021 11:26

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
So it seems America was damned if it did and damned if it didn’t. They say people get the leaders they deserve. If that’s true, I wonder what it says about America.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:27

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36091814)
So it seems America was damned if it did and damned if it didn’t. They say people get the leaders they deserve. If that’s true, I wonder what it says about America.

We need a 'Team America World Police' sequel ?

Maggy 02-09-2021 11:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091813)
Attempting to justify/moderate someones or a groups failure due to another individual's or groups potential failure at the same task isn't IMHO a valid metric.

The same argument is often used to validate Boris's handling of situations by decrying that 'labour would have done it worse'

No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.

IMHO whilst Trump instigated this shambles, Biden didn't have to stick to the roadmap. His arguments regarding maintaining forces in 'forever wars' hold no sway as there is still a US military presence in both Germany & Korea decades after their respective conflicts ended.

Chris 02-09-2021 11:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091815)
We need a 'Team America World Police' sequel ?

… yeah!

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 11:48

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36091818)
… yeah!


:D:D:D:D

Damien 02-09-2021 11:48

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091813)
Attempting to justify/moderate someones or a groups failure due to another individual's or groups potential failure at the same task isn't IMHO a valid metric.

The same argument is often used to validate Boris's handling of situations by decrying that 'labour would have done it worse'

It only matters if people are making an argument Trump would have done it better. Then it's justified to point out it was his deal and his timetable was even more aggressive.

But in terms of evaluating what actually happened then invoking Trump isn't a defence.

BenMcr 02-09-2021 11:50

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091817)
IMHO whilst Trump instigated this shambles, Biden didn't have to stick to the roadmap. His arguments regarding maintaining forces in 'forever wars' hold no sway as there is still a US military presence in both Germany & Korea decades after their respective conflicts ended.

Neither of which are at war with the US though, so it's not a 'forever war' as such.

For Germany it's part of the NATO pact I thought, and for South Korea an agreed defence pact and payments South Korea make towards the US military there.

mrmistoffelees 02-09-2021 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36091823)
Neither of which are at war with the US though, so it's not a 'forever war' as such.

For Germany it's part of the NATO pact I thought, and for South Korea an agreed defence pact and payments South Korea make towards the US military there.

Neither were the US at war with the Taliban, combat operations ended 2,3,4 years ago ?

peanut 02-09-2021 12:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.

I think with Trump he wasn't afraid to use force, he was unpredictable. Biden doesn't know what day it is.

I read somewhere that he Taliban agreement under Trump was follow it or we'll bomb you to hell. Biden probably said 'Oh Squirrel'....

Carth 02-09-2021 12:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36091825)
I think with Trump he wasn't afraid to use force, he was unpredictable. Biden doesn't know what day it is.

I read somewhere that he Taliban agreement under Trump was follow it or we'll bomb you to hell. Biden probably said 'Oh Squirrel'....

I'd go along with that yeah :tu:

1andrew1 02-09-2021 12:35

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.

That's a more nuanced and great question.

I think the answer you'll find is that there are people on this forum and elsewhere who believe that Trump was a better leader than Biden and hence would have handled it better. I've even seen one poster who believes that the Democrats always make a hash of things.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091817)
IMHO whilst Trump instigated this shambles, Biden didn't have to stick to the roadmap. His arguments regarding maintaining forces in 'forever wars' hold no sway as there is still a US military presence in both Germany & Korea decades after their respective conflicts ended.

And still a presence in Iraq.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...ast-commander/

Carth 02-09-2021 12:44

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Still in the UK too . . . but not really relevant to the Biden/Afghanistan subject ;)

Mad Max 02-09-2021 19:00

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36091825)
I think with Trump he wasn't afraid to use force, he was unpredictable. Biden doesn't know what day it is.

I read somewhere that he Taliban agreement under Trump was follow it or we'll bomb you to hell. Biden probably said 'Oh Squirrel'....


They should have done that anyway.

Mick 03-09-2021 00:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36091816)
No just seeking clarification as to why some think Biden has been more disastrous than Trump.I think it's a perfectly valid question.

No it isn’t, not when the person asking it, you Maggy, is venomously anti-Trump. :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 03-09-2021 01:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36091825)
I think with Trump he wasn't afraid to use force, he was unpredictable. Biden doesn't know what day it is.

I read somewhere that he Taliban agreement under Trump was follow it or we'll bomb you to hell. Biden probably said 'Oh Squirrel'....

:rofl: We'll bomb you to hell, we've been doing that for years donny and were doing it with depleted uranium ordinance at the start causing a spike in birth defects on top of everything else iirc. Bomb them to hell, they're already in it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36091924)
No it isn’t, not when the person asking it, you Maggy, is venomously anti-Trump. :rolleyes:

I think it is, just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you can't ask a perfectly reasonable unbiased question involving them, especially as no opinion was even proferred

nomadking 03-09-2021 01:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36091925)
:rofl: We'll bomb you to hell, we've been doing that for years donny and were doing it with depleted uranium ordinance at the start causing a spike in birth defects on top of everything else iirc. Bomb them to hell, they're already in it

I think it is, just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you can't ask a perfectly reasonable unbiased question involving them, especially as no opinion was even proferred

Actual US combat operations ended back in 2015, under Obama. Special Forces may have had a few missions, but other than that, no direct military action took place under Trump.


Not offering an opinion is a lot better than somebody who bases "their"(ie told by somebody else) opinions on falsehoods and bias.

TheDaddy 03-09-2021 01:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36091926)
Actual US combat operations ended back in 2015, under Obama. Special Forces may have had a few missions, but other than that, no direct military action took place under Trump.

Never said it did but thanks for pointing it out nevertheless

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 08:14

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36091887)
They should have done that anyway.

Yes, because the past twenty odd years of the manned and unmanned air campaign have ultimately worked out so well haven’t they?

papa smurf 03-09-2021 08:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091936)
Yes, because the past twenty odd years of the manned and unmanned air campaign have ultimately worked out so well haven’t they?

Is that a really poor attempt at sarcasm?

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 10:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36091938)
Is that a really poor attempt at sarcasm?


Nope, it was a question to someone's comment. Do you think that the past twenty years air & ground offensive in Afghanistan has resulted in anything of note?

Apart from the Taliban gaining access to large amounts of US/NATO military hardware of course

papa smurf 03-09-2021 10:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091946)
Nope, it was a question to someone's comment. Do you think that the past twenty years air & ground offensive in Afghanistan has resulted in anything of note?

Apart from the Taliban gaining access to large amounts of US/NATO military hardware of course

Yes, we're going to gain up to 20,000 new citizens to further enrich our culture

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 10:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36091947)
Yes, we're going to gain up to 20,000 new citizens to further enrich our culture

Now that, is a really poor attempt at sarcasm..... either that or you've become 'woke' overnight ;)

papa smurf 03-09-2021 10:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091948)
Now that, is a really poor attempt at sarcasm..... either that or you've become 'woke' overnight ;)

I prefer to call it a poor attempt at wokeism.
Anyhoo i can't talk to you all day i've got statues to paint.

heero_yuy 03-09-2021 11:01

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36091947)
Yes, we're going to gain up to 20,000 new citizens to further enrich our culture

Amongst whome will be an unknown number of Islamic extreamists. :(

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 11:11

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36091951)
Amongst whome will be an unknown number of Islamic extreamists. :(

There also will be an unknown number who make a fulfilling contribution to the UK and our society, what's your point?

Sephiroth 03-09-2021 11:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091953)
There also will be an unknown number who make a fulfilling contribution to the UK and our society, what's your point?

The point should have been obvious. Or are you trying to be difficult? Extremists have the potential (and proven record) to blow people up, stab them, shoot them and prey on others to convert to their filthy cause.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 11:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36091956)
The point should have been obvious. Or are you trying to be difficult? Extremists have the potential (and proven record) to blow people up, stab them, shoot them and prey on others to convert to their filthy cause.


And decent people have the opportunity to build a live for themselves and their family and contribute to society.

The point my friend is thus, we should not hold views that prejudice people from another country or religion due to the actions of a few.

As an intelligent person I'm surprised you needed that explaining to you

Maggy 03-09-2021 11:59

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Right back on topic please.

Mad Max 03-09-2021 20:38

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091936)
Yes, because the past twenty odd years of the manned and unmanned air campaign have ultimately worked out so well haven’t they?

Of course, you are right again, leftist woke crap I've ever heard.

1andrew1 03-09-2021 20:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36092035)
Of course, you are right again, leftist woke crap I've ever heard.

Do you think the occupation of Afghanistan has been a success? I hope in some ways it has modernised the country but I wouldn't rush to label it a success. I think - and I could be wrong - that Iraq seems to be working out ok though.

Mad Max 03-09-2021 20:50

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36092036)
Do you think the occupation of Afghanistan has been a success? I hope in some ways it has modernised the country but I wouldn't rush to label it a success. I think - and I could be wrong - that Iraq seems to be working out ok though.

Obviously not, that's why I said when we and the USA went in at first we should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban, but we all know what's happened now, back in the hands of terrorists.

mrmistoffelees 03-09-2021 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36092039)
Obviously not, that's why I said when we and the USA went in at first we should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban, but we all know what's happened now, back in the hands of terrorists.

So your implying that US/Nato didn’t try hard enough when we were involved in combat operations ?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36092035)
Of course, you are right again, leftist woke crap I've ever heard.


Are all the ex or serving military personnel (both US and U.K.) who are asking the same question either leftist or woke also ?

Hugh 03-09-2021 21:36

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36092039)
Obviously not, that's why I said when we and the USA went in at first we should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban, but we all know what's happened now, back in the hands of terrorists.

Unfortunately, with asymmetric warfare (where the insurgents are indistinguishable from the general populace, because they live amongst them), "bombing the hell out of the Taliban’ would have involved bombing the hell out of innocent civilians, which sort of defeats the purpose of being there to protect the general populace from the Taliban.

1andrew1 03-09-2021 21:50

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36092039)
Obviously not, that's why I said when we and the USA went in at first we should have bombed the hell out of the Taliban, but we all know what's happened now, back in the hands of terrorists.

What do you know that the military experts in the Soviet Union and NATO failed to notice?

papa smurf 03-09-2021 21:55

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36092052)
Unfortunately, with asymmetric warfare (where the insurgents are indistinguishable from the general populace, because they live amongst them), "bombing the hell out of the Taliban’ would have involved bombing the hell out of innocent civilians, which sort of defeats the purpose of being there to protect the general populace from the Taliban.

Isn't that exactly what happened last week with the US drone strike on isis-k,killed one guilty man but killed and maimed dozens of innocents

Mick 15-09-2021 17:57

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden expected to announce a new nuclear defence pact with Australia and the United Kingdom, Australia’s submarine programme to go nuclear, that could put China’s nose out of joint.

http://www.politico.com/amp/news/202...sharing-511877

Sephiroth 15-09-2021 18:54

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Excellent news.

nomadking 15-09-2021 19:02

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Same number of Australian submarines as planned for some time, just nuclear powered, and not built by France. Not that big a thing.

The ones with their "nose out of joint" will be the French, who lose a $90bn contract.

Itshim 15-09-2021 19:05

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36092036)
Do you think the occupation of Afghanistan has been a success? I hope in some ways it has modernised the country but I wouldn't rush to label it a success. I think - and I could be wrong - that Iraq seems to be working out ok though.

The aim was to remove Isis, not remove the Taliban at least that was my take at the time of 9/11 . So it remains to be seen if it worked. Hate to say this but a lot of people made a lot of money out of it :( my family included:

Sephiroth 15-09-2021 19:16

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36093137)
Same number of Australian submarines as planned for some time, just nuclear powered, and not built by France. Not that big a thing.

The ones with their "nose out of joint" will be the French, who lose a $90bn contract.

Excellent news.

Mr K 15-09-2021 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093126)
BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden expected to announce a new nuclear defence pact with Australia and the United Kingdom, Australia’s submarine programme to go nuclear, that could put China’s nose out of joint.

http://www.politico.com/amp/news/202...sharing-511877

Good old Joe. I knew you'd come round to him Mick ;)

papa smurf 16-09-2021 09:36

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‘Making the Taliban great again’

AN ex-Pennsylvania politician launched a two-month "Making the Taliban Great Again” billboard campaign chiding President Joe Biden as a terrorist for his handling of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/161547...-pennsylvania/

BenMcr 16-09-2021 10:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36093189)
‘Making the Taliban great again’

AN ex-Pennsylvania politician launched a two-month "Making the Taliban Great Again” billboard campaign chiding President Joe Biden as a terrorist for his handling of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/161547...-pennsylvania/

Someone could have probably done the same last year for Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/w...ghanistan.html
Quote:

“I spoke to the leader of the Taliban today. We had a good conversation,” Mr. Trump told reporters at the White House, slightly inflating Mr. Baradar’s position.

“They’re looking to get this ended and we’re looking to get this ended,” Mr. Trump said later in the day. “The relationship is very good that I have with the mullah.”

Carth 16-09-2021 10:46

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Seems like everyone got what they wanted . . apart from the Afghanistan population . . no change there then ;)

Julian 16-09-2021 12:33

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36093201)
Someone could have probably done the same last year for Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/w...ghanistan.html

Can’t beat a bit of whataboutism :rolleyes:

1andrew1 16-09-2021 12:48

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36093210)
Can’t beat a bit of whataboutism :rolleyes:

I think we're always one President behind on these threads. :D
If I recall, the Trump thread was always generously well-provided for with "what about Hillary?" posts. I guess we can't let go of our feelings for the last President.

Mick 17-09-2021 19:17

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
I’m really struggling to understand just WTF Biden’s foreign policy is. Latest bizarre notion sees U.S Sec. of State Blinken deleting a tweet saying "We stand with the people of Hong Kong"

Hugh 17-09-2021 21:07

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093445)
I’m really struggling to understand just WTF Biden’s foreign policy is. Latest bizarre notion sees U.S Sec. of State Blinken deleting a tweet saying "We stand with the people of Hong Kong"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1922246.html

Quote:

A spokesman for the State Department said that the person who managed Mr Blinken’s Twitter account mistakenly sent it from his account when it was meant to come from a spokesperson.

"We fixed that error and tweeted from both accounts, speaking out about Hong Kong authorities’ disqualification of pro-democracy district councilors,” the spokesperson said, adding that suggestions that what it called an “administrative change” was caused by political concerns are “patently untrue.”

1andrew1 22-09-2021 20:09

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Good to see further evidence UK-US relations strengthening.
Quote:

US lifting ban on imports of British lamb, says Boris Johnson
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58654045

Mick 23-09-2021 16:20

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
I thought these kind of headlines only happened under President Trump....

BREAKING: Top U.S. envoy to Haiti resigns over "inhumane" expulsions of migrants at border

Quote:

A top U.S. diplomat to Haiti tendered his resignation on Wednesday, citing the Biden administration's "inhumane" effort to expel hundreds of Haitian migrants to their home country, which is recovering from a deadly earthquake and plagued by political instability, widespread insecurity and crippling poverty.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-...nkId=132954622

1andrew1 23-09-2021 20:33

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094052)
Good to see further evidence UK-US relations strengthening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58654045

That being said, I may have spoken too soon as lamb is not a popular meat in the US!

Sephiroth 23-09-2021 21:15

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094196)
That being said, I may have spoken too soon as lamb is not a popular meat in the US!

A good marketing campaign might help.

Lamb chops; Roast leg of lamb. They'd also need a Texas angle, New York should be easy - the Indian restaurants all serve lamb..


Pierre 23-09-2021 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094196)
That being said, I may have spoken too soon as lamb is not a popular meat in the US!

Ramsay has it on Hells Kitchen every year!

1andrew1 23-09-2021 23:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094221)
Ramsay has it on Hells Kitchen every year!

Yup and Clarkson's Farm is a good lamb promotion tool as well.

papa smurf 09-10-2021 14:27

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Joe Biden slammed as 'utterly incoherent' even with 'assistance of an autocue'


President Biden delivered a rambling and error-ridden speech during an appearance in Illinois where he confused names, genders and places in a speech about the importance of vaccines which has received heavy criticism for its haphazardness.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...us-politics-vn

Mad Max 09-10-2021 20:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36096746)
Joe Biden slammed as 'utterly incoherent' even with 'assistance of an autocue'


President Biden delivered a rambling and error-ridden speech during an appearance in Illinois where he confused names, genders and places in a speech about the importance of vaccines which has received heavy criticism for its haphazardness.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...us-politics-vn

Doddery.

pip08456 09-10-2021 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36096746)
Joe Biden slammed as 'utterly incoherent' even with 'assistance of an autocue'


President Biden delivered a rambling and error-ridden speech during an appearance in Illinois where he confused names, genders and places in a speech about the importance of vaccines which has received heavy criticism for its haphazardness.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...us-politics-vn

Funny how they only pick 3 derogartory things in an over 20 minute speach by a person who it is known to battle a stutter.

Speach starts about 14.13.


Mr K 09-10-2021 21:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36096818)
Funny how they only pick 3 derogartory things in an over 20 minute speach by a person who it is known to battle a stutter.

Speach starts about 14.13.


Mocking anyone with a disability is our brave new world unfortunately.
(See a panelist on Question Time was mocked for having celebral palsy from the brave twitterati
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/r...c-b959464.html)

Itshim 10-10-2021 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36096819)
Mocking anyone with a disability is our brave new world unfortunately.
(See a panelist on Question Time was mocked for having celebral palsy from the brave twitterati
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/r...c-b959464.html)

Shouldn't stuck his head over the parapet . The man is a joke . Just wish people would stop playing the disability card. And yes l have quite a few just don't bring them up at every opportunity :shocked:

Hugh 10-10-2021 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36096926)
Shouldn't stuck his head over the parapet . The man is a joke . Just wish people would stop playing the disability card. And yes l have quite a few just don't bring them up at every opportunity :shocked:

To be fair, Joe Biden doesn't - other people just point out to those who mock him when he stumbles over some words, that he has had a stutter all of his life.

Are you saying that he should not have run for public office because he stutters?

1andrew1 10-10-2021 21:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36096926)
Shouldn't stuck his head over the parapet . The man is a joke . Just wish people would stop playing the disability card. And yes l have quite a few just don't bring them up at every opportunity :shocked:

I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect US presidents not to speak, pleasant as that would be. :)

nomadking 10-10-2021 21:19

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Things like not being able to remember your own family and what they did or didn't do, has nothing to do with any stutter.

Maggy 11-10-2021 08:42

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36096940)
Things like not being able to remember your own family and what they did or didn't do, has nothing to do with any stutter.

Maybe he wants to forget members of his family.

Hom3r 11-10-2021 17:09

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People need to understand how truly debilitating a stutter can be.

There was a program "Educating Yorkshire" I believe. A young lad's stutter was so bad he really struggled to speak, a teacher worked with him and used tricks from the film "The King's Speech" and played music over headphones.

Well some 10 years later the lad is a public speaker about stuttering.

nomadking 11-10-2021 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36097083)
People need to understand how truly debilitating a stutter can be.

There was a program "Educating Yorkshire" I believe. A young lad's stutter was so bad he really struggled to speak, a teacher worked with him and used tricks from the film "The King's Speech" and played music over headphones.

Well some 10 years later the lad is a public speaker about stuttering.

I'm talking about getting things completely wrong, not missing out words or mixing up similar words.

Hugh 14-10-2021 10:40

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Not sure this approach has been thought all the way through...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBpkgDPW...jpg&name=small

Carth 14-10-2021 10:50

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
LMAO how to shoot yourself in the foot without feeling a thing :D

Maggy 14-10-2021 11:06

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36097104)
I'm talking about getting things completely wrong, not missing out words or mixing up similar words.

Tell me do you never do the same?

---------- Post added at 11:06 ---------- Previous post was at 10:53 ----------

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/c...6bcd4dbd0341cb


Seems pretty smart to me.

Sephiroth 14-10-2021 12:12

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
I’m spoonerent at excellisms.

Pierre 14-10-2021 21:49

Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36097376)
I’m spoonerent at excellisms.

Some footage of Biden’s new speech writer.

https://youtu.be/J64G1dt3E7w

Sephiroth 14-10-2021 22:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36097424)
Some footage of Biden’s new speech writer.

https://youtu.be/J64G1dt3E7w

I've got a near full collection of Stanley Unwin's stuff.

Blackshep 16-10-2021 05:42

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We had four years of one guy being called racist from the Democrats and their solution was to put in a mentally declining racist with a near 50 (120 years if you listen to old 10%) year record of racism only in America. Joe Biden is a corrupt pile and has been for the last 20 years his election to president manages to be an even lower point for America then his predecessor who'd have thought that possible. He is a complete disaster his covid and infrastructure Bill's were more rewards and bail outs for badly run Democrat cities politician's then they were what they were meant to be hes heaping piles of debt onto coming generations.

papa smurf 01-11-2021 10:31

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Interesting story doing the rounds:)

#PoopyPantsBiden trends on social media after rumours emerge of Joe Biden suffering a ‘bathroom accident’ at the Vatican


https://www.opindia.com/2021/10/poop...ident-vatican/

Hugh 01-11-2021 10:50

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As The Former Guy might have said- "Depends"

Pierre 01-11-2021 11:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099550)
Interesting story doing the rounds:)

#PoopyPantsBiden trends on social media after rumours emerge of Joe Biden suffering a ‘bathroom accident’ at the Vatican


https://www.opindia.com/2021/10/poop...ident-vatican/

As much as I believe that Biden is no longer in control of his faculties and is not running the country but being worked from behind like a life size Lord Charles.

I wouldn't take any rumour on twitter as "news".

That said, however, everybody was happy to take any rumour about his predecessor on face value......so sauce for the goose and all that.

Sephiroth 01-11-2021 11:09

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099550)
Interesting story doing the rounds:)

#PoopyPantsBiden trends on social media after rumours emerge of Joe Biden suffering a ‘bathroom accident’ at the Vatican


https://www.opindia.com/2021/10/poop...ident-vatican/

If it hasn’t made the Torygraph, it didn’t happen.

papa smurf 01-11-2021 15:14

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Looks like nap 26 is going well

Joe Biden was filmed closing his eyes for long periods of time. Washington Post journalist Zach Pursur Brown recorded the President "falling asleep".


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mate-change-vn

Blackshep 01-11-2021 16:45

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As long as he's breathing he's a good enough puppet for barrack no brain needed.

Hugh 01-11-2021 18:05

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Barack…

Blackshep 01-11-2021 19:23

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Yes auto correct kicked in and I didn't spot it I'll edit it now, except I can't now but I'm sure everyone knows who I'm talking about.

Hugh 01-11-2021 19:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099625)
Looks like nap 26 is going well

Joe Biden was filmed closing his eyes for long periods of time. Washington Post journalist Zach Pursur Brown recorded the President "falling asleep".


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mate-change-vn

Must have been catching…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1635795690

Pierre 01-11-2021 22:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099674)

Without doubt, though when Boris is engaged he looks like he at least knows where he is.

1andrew1 01-11-2021 22:22

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099675)
Without doubt, though when Boris is engaged he looks like he at least knows where he is.

Out of his depth, you mean? :D

Hugh 02-11-2021 10:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099675)
Without doubt, though when Boris is engaged he looks like he at least knows where he is.

”when"…

In this case, sat maskless next to a 95 year old. :shocked:

Pierre 02-11-2021 10:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099700)
”when"…

In this case, sat maskless next to a 95 year old. :shocked:

Well if the 95 year old is concerned he should shielding himself.

1andrew1 02-11-2021 11:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099700)
”when"…

In this case, sat maskless next to a 95 year old. :shocked:

In fairness to Johnson, he doesn't know he's sat next to a 95-year-old as he's in the land of nod.

I do actually have a bit of sympathy for him nodding off - these conferences are quite draining and his household is probably not the most relaxing environment for him at the moment. But he's just being a bit political on the mask-wearing which is disappointing, albeit not unexpected.

Hugh 02-11-2021 12:12

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099704)
Well if the 95 year old is concerned he should shielding himself.

I see - one of the main speakers (Sir David Attenborough) should shield himself because Boris (who wore a mask in the HoC during the Budget Speech) can't be arsed to wear a mask.

Selfish idiot springs to mind...

papa smurf 02-11-2021 12:19

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099712)
I see - one of the main speakers (Sir David Attenborough) should shield himself because Boris (who wore a mask in the HoC during the Budget Speech) can't be arsed to wear a mask.

Selfish idiot springs to mind...

He's probably clocked up more air miles than an airline pilot.

Hugh 02-11-2021 12:29

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As usual, very little relevance to the point being made...

Mick 02-11-2021 13:35

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As to mask wearing or no mask wearing when it suits, practically all politicians are guilty of it.

OLD BOY 02-11-2021 13:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099700)
”when"…

In this case, sat maskless next to a 95 year old. :shocked:

I’m sure they’ve both been jabbed up to the hilt.

Hugh 02-11-2021 14:45

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099722)
I’m sure they’ve both been jabbed up to the hilt.

Once again, you miss the point - why wouldn't people reduce the chances of them infecting others?

The older someone is, the more at risk they are - think of others, not just oneself.

OLD BOY 02-11-2021 16:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099734)
Once again, you miss the point - why wouldn't people reduce the chances of them infecting others?

The older someone is, the more at risk they are - think of others, not just oneself.

Vaccinations.

Pierre 02-11-2021 16:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099734)
Once again, you miss the point - why wouldn't people reduce the chances of them infecting others?

The older someone is, the more at risk they are - think of others, not just oneself.

I also hate it when I'm not allowed to eat nuts on a plane because someone has a nut allergy. In that case, they can sit in a plastic bubble or take the train.

Mad Max 02-11-2021 16:55

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099749)
I also hate it when I'm not allowed to eat nuts on a plane because someone has a nut allergy. In that case, they can sit in a plastic bubble or take the train.


:D:D

Carth 02-11-2021 19:19

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099749)
I also hate it when I'm not allowed to eat nuts on a plane because someone has a nut allergy. In that case, they can sit in a plastic bubble or take the train.

Brilliant :D

Hugh 02-11-2021 22:49

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099749)
I also hate it when I'm not allowed to eat nuts on a plane because someone has a nut allergy. In that case, they can sit in a plastic bubble or take the train.

You seem nice…

Pierre 02-11-2021 23:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099800)
You seem nice…

I’m very nice, you seem……well……

Hugh 03-11-2021 00:08

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Not selfish & thoughtless towards others?


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