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Itshim 21-05-2021 17:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080340)
Why not watch it on iPlayer catch-up?

(you know, streaming...) ;)
It's to much a fiddle so much simpler to record . And fast forwarding isso much better on V6 every other system l have seen.

Hugh 21-05-2021 22:11
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36080355)
It's to much a fiddle so much simpler to record . And fast forwarding isso much better on V6 every other system l have seen.
You may have missed the point*….





*streaming is the future, linear TV (including recording linear TV programmes) is dying…

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080353)
Simple. Because when the programme ends, you cannot access it for a few hours.
You sure?

BBC2 Gardeners World (9pm - 10pm) and This Time With Alan Partridge (BBC1 9:30pm - 10pm) are both available now on BBC iPlayer, at 10:10pm.

spiderplant 21-05-2021 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080367)
You sure?

BBC2 Gardeners World (9pm - 10pm) and This Time With Alan Partridge (BBC1 9:30pm - 10pm) are both available now on BBC iPlayer, at 10:10pm.
To be fair, those aren't live broadcasts so can be prepared ready for quick publishing.

Though surely waiting a few hours for something to become available is a small price to pay for the extra convenience of streaming ;)

Hugh 21-05-2021 22:55
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BBC News at Ten is now on iPlayer.

1andrew1 21-05-2021 23:10
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080372)
BBC News at Ten is now on iPlayer.
From 10.00pm-10.30pm it's available on re-start.

So it's only unavailable for 23 minutes from 10.30pm to 10.53pm, not hours.

OLD BOY 22-05-2021 01:40
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Do you guys how pathetically this sounds?

I’m sorry, just play your games with others of same minds! I’m just conversation with normal people

AdamDigital 22-05-2021 08:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36080290)
At the bottom end I guess after NHK World, maybe 626 unless Virgin leave a gap. It could also be squeezed into one of the many gaps but that probably wouldn't be fair to the other news channels. There are a lot of gaps, maybe Virgin could use the addition of a new channel as a prompt to tidy up the news section.
Yes, I wonder what will happen. Does anyone know why there are such gaps in the News EPG number range? Is it a legacy of the olden days and the multiplicity of operators (Diamond Cable etc.)?

cheekyangus 22-05-2021 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamDigital (Post 36080391)
Yes, I wonder what will happen. Does anyone know why there are such gaps in the News EPG number range? Is it a legacy of the olden days and the multiplicity of operators (Diamond Cable etc.)?
I don't know, but it could be various things.

1) There aren't many launches in that category and spacing them out fills the allocated Category number range.

2) There have been closures over the years and the news channels don't see the point in closing gaps so long as the order doesn't change and rival channels jump ahead of them.

3) If a viewer gets the number wrong typing it in by one space, there is no channel change, so the viewer doesn't get to accidentally sample another channel and they risk losing that viewer.

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I have just noticed there a Science and Numbers/Statistics show called It's A Numbers Game on the VM Showcase channel all day. It's a bit like the Christmas Lectures crossed with How2. Dr Hannah Fry is one of the familiar faces presenting it.

Description says it "explores the unique role that maths and science play in sport".

There's a BT Sport logo in background and the presenter mentioned the broadcaster.

It's not simulcast as the show isn't on any of the BT Sport channels.

The "ad break" just called it It's A Numbers Game Showcase and put the BT and VM logos up on a slate as I was typing.

epsilon 22-05-2021 10:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamDigital (Post 36080391)
Yes, I wonder what will happen. Does anyone know why there are such gaps in the News EPG number range? Is it a legacy of the olden days and the multiplicity of operators (Diamond Cable etc.)?

Probably not THAT old but it hasn't changed much over the last 5 or 6 years, maybe longer. The last major change being when the BBC News SD channel was dropped and the HD version moved from 604 to 601. Long before that, the ITV/ITN News Channel was on channel 617. Other channels have possibly departed over the years creating some of the gaps and perhaps some of the gaps have always been there. I don't honestly remember there being that many news channels.

Hugh 22-05-2021 10:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080383)
Do you guys how pathetically this sounds?

I’m sorry, just play your games with others of same minds! I’m just conversation with normal people
In English? :D

OLD BOY 22-05-2021 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080367)
You may have missed the point*….


*streaming is the future, linear TV (including recording linear TV programmes) is dying….
Why is it that some of you guys can't tell the difference between what we have now and what will be in the future?

Hugh 22-05-2021 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080398)
Why is it that some of you guys can't tell the difference between what we have now and what will be in the future?
Why is it some of you guys can’t use streaming now when it’s an option when you say that linear is dying - why don’t you practice what you preach to others?

Or is possible that in the future, like now, it will be a mixture of streaming and linear, because that’s what’s convenient and what people want?

1andrew1 22-05-2021 11:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080383)
Do you guys how pathetically this sounds?

I’m sorry, just play your games with others of same minds! I’m just conversation with normal people
A glass too many there, perhaps OB? ;)

I think it's interesting to understand what the limitations of streaming TV are and it's good information that Hugh has provided us with. I was happy to accept that it took hours to upload live programmes to on-demand but it's interesting to see how long this takes.

Hopefully, this will encourage you and others to let go of linear and watch your news on-demand. ;)

OLD BOY 22-05-2021 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080399)
Why is it some of you guys can’t use streaming now when it’s an option when you say that linear is dying - why don’t you practice what you preach to others?

Or is possible that in the future, like now, it will be a mixture of streaming and linear, because that’s what’s convenient and what people want?
Well, I do stream live programmes from the i-Player quite frequently. I always watch Andrew Marr and Prime Minister’s Questions that way. As I have explained, there is a delay of a few hours in uploading programmes that have already ended on the i-Player, which is why I record it.

Anyhow, it is nothing to do with this debate how I or anyone else organises their viewing. It is already self-evident that channels have been closing recently - with more to come - and the content transferred to streamers.

It will be interesting to see how Virgin and Sky respond to this continuing trend as it takes hold, but I suspect we will be presented with bouquets of streamers and players price packaged as the TV channels currently are, with a much wider choice of streamers available.

An alternative view might be that Virgin will abandon the TV side of the business, recognising that modern connected TVs already offer more streamers than they do.

Losing channels such as Fox will diminish the TV offerings available and will make people less enthusiastic about subscribing to pay TV via linear channels. Apparently, National Geographic will disappear from the TV channel line-up within the year as well. What will replace these channels as they are taken off, one by one and batch by batch?

Mr K 22-05-2021 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080418)
Well, I do stream live programmes from the i-Player quite frequently. I always watch Andrew Marr and Prime Minister’s Questions that way. As I have explained, there is a delay of a few hours in uploading programmes that have already ended on the i-Player, which is why I record it.
Heady viewing! Steady on OB ....
I recommend Gardener's World, much more exciting, and it has well rotted manure instead of fresh ;)

Hugh 22-05-2021 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080418)
Well, I do stream live programmes from the i-Player quite frequently. I always watch Andrew Marr and Prime Minister’s Questions that way. As I have explained, there is a delay of a few hours in uploading programmes that have already ended on the i-Player, which is why I record it.

Anyhow, it is nothing to do with this debate how I or anyone else organises their viewing. It is already self-evident that channels have been closing recently - with more to come - and the content transferred to streamers.

It will be interesting to see how Virgin and Sky respond to this continuing trend as it takes hold, but I suspect we will be presented with bouquets of streamers and players price packaged as the TV channels currently are, with a much wider choice of streamers available.

An alternative view might be that Virgin will abandon the TV side of the business, recognising that modern connected TVs already offer more streamers than they do.

Losing channels such as Fox will diminish the TV offerings available and will make people less enthusiastic about subscribing to pay TV via linear channels. Apparently, National Geographic will disappear from the TV channel line-up within the year as well. What will replace these channels as they are taken off, one by one and batch by batch?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080367)
You sure?

BBC2 Gardeners World (9pm - 10pm) and This Time With Alan Partridge (BBC1 9:30pm - 10pm) are both available now on BBC iPlayer, at 10:10pm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080374)
From 10.00pm-10.30pm it's available on re-start.

So it's only unavailable for 23 minutes from 10.30pm to 10.53pm, not hours.
No, there isn’t…

locutus1974 22-05-2021 23:37
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will be interesting to see what happens after the Virginmedia and 02 (telefonica) merger. I spoke to someone that works for the telefonica side of 02 and apparently the first thing they want to invest in is the cable infrastructure for the broadband fibreoptic expansion.

OLD BOY 23-05-2021 01:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080425)
No, there isn’t…
Actually, I think you may be right, but it has not always been so. I have previously tried to access programmes via the i-player only to discover that it is ‘not available’ and it has not appeared for a few hours.

Clearly, if I can watch the news bulletin as soon as it has been broadcast, and also after the broadcast has stopped, that will be an advantage above making a recording.

Thank you for the heads up, although I think you only posted this to be spiteful.

Hugh 23-05-2021 09:42
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No, I posted it to be informative - you shouldn't "project"...

spiderplant 23-05-2021 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080454)
Clearly, if I can watch the news bulletin as soon as it has been broadcast, and also after the broadcast has stopped, that will be an advantage above making a recording.
Why would it be an advantage?

1andrew1 23-05-2021 11:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36080459)
No, I posted it to be informative - you shouldn't "project"...
Pointing out how quickly a TV programme is uploaded by replying to a previous post containg outdated information is what forums are all about. Everyone benefits from the knowledge, not just the original poster.

I don't watch many programmes live these days (apart from live events) so I was surprised to see Old Boy mentioning a period of hours before they were available. As a strong advocate of streaming, Old Boy was the last person that I'd think of recording programmess, so this action felt out of character.

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080474)
Why would it be an advantage?
There's a 20-minute gap from 10.31 to 10.51 when News at Ten can't be watched on-demand or via restart but can be watched if you record it.

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Originally Posted by locutus1974 (Post 36080452)
will be interesting to see what happens after the Virginmedia and 02 (telefonica) merger. I spoke to someone that works for the telefonica side of 02 and apparently the first thing they want to invest in is the cable infrastructure for the broadband fibreoptic expansion.
There's nothing to stop that happening at the moment.
Interest rates are at record lows (borrowing will be the way expansion is paid for) so whilst it would be great to see more expansion, I don't think that the business case changes due to the merger.

spiderplant 23-05-2021 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080476)
There's a 20-minute gap from 10.31 to 10.51 when News at Ten can't be watched on-demand or via restart but can be watched if you record it.
Yes, but OB said "that will be an advantage above making a recording". I took that to mean he was hypothesising that if the stream was immediately available after transmission, that would give an advantage over recording it. I was wondering what that advantage would be.

jfman 23-05-2021 13:16
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080494)
Yes, but OB said "that will be an advantage above making a recording". I took that to mean he was hypothesising that if the stream was immediately available after transmission, that would give an advantage over recording it. I was wondering what that advantage would be.
Climate change from all those hard disks ;)

OLD BOY 23-05-2021 23:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080474)
Why would it be an advantage?
Because there’s limited space on the hard drive.

jfman 23-05-2021 23:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080511)
Because there’s limited space on the hard drive.
Just despair about what life will be like without one. Losing access to movies and series due to contractual disputes before getting the chance to watch them.

BenMcr 23-05-2021 23:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080512)
Just despair about what life will be like without one. Losing access to movies and series due to contractual disputes before getting the chance to watch them.
That can happen with a hard drive.

RichardCoulter 24-05-2021 01:57
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Do you mean that recordings can be set to only be kept for a limited time Ben? I assumed that the technology was in existence to do this, but i've not come across it myself.

I suppose it will be a similar process to how Sky recordings cannot be accessed on VM once an active subscription to the channels ends.

Various events like a faulty HDD or upgrading to TV360 can also mean losing everything that's been recorded onto the hard drive too.

OLD BOY 24-05-2021 07:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080512)
Just despair about what life will be like without one. Losing access to movies and series due to contractual disputes before getting the chance to watch them.
In the same way that we lost access to the UKTV channels on VM not so long ago?

I'd simply find another way to access them as I had to do when I changed my box - such as subscribing to the Sky Cinema package on Now TV.

This sort of thing is much less likely to happen with the streamers, of course, particularly with their original content, which is what I tend to watch most of the time.

jfman 24-05-2021 08:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080528)
In the same way that we lost access to the UKTV channels on VM not so long ago?

I'd simply find another way to access them as I had to do when I changed my box - such as subscribing to the Sky Cinema package on Now TV.

This sort of thing is much less likely to happen with the streamers, of course, particularly with their original content, which is what I tend to watch most of the time.
I'd say it's more likely to happen with third party content in the near future (e.g. Friends being removed from Netflix at extremely short notice).

I'm sure for the vast majority of rational consumers in the marketplace subscribing to an additional service to get the same content they had previously is sub-optimal outcome - they aren't as dogmatic as you are about streaming.

spiderplant 24-05-2021 09:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080511)
Because there’s limited space on the hard drive.
Why would you care? Are you planning to do lots of recording? ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36080525)
Do you mean that recordings can be set to only be kept for a limited time Ben? I assumed that the technology was in existence to do this, but i've not come across it myself
There isn't an ability to keep them for a fixed time, but they become inaccessible after a time if the channel is dropped by VM.

BenMcr 24-05-2021 11:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080535)
There isn't an ability to keep them for a fixed time, but they become inaccessible after a time if the channel is dropped by VM.
Also worth pointing out that broadcasters can also have in their content agreement that recordings become inaccessible if you no longer subscribe to the channel - even when it's still on the platform.

Although it's only Sky that currently do this - as they do for their own customers on their platform too still I believe.

Legendkiller2k 24-05-2021 13:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080528)
In the same way that we lost access to the UKTV channels on VM not so long ago?

I'd simply find another way to access them as I had to do when I changed my box - such as subscribing to the Sky Cinema package on Now TV.

This sort of thing is much less likely to happen with the streamers, of course, particularly with their original content, which is what I tend to watch most of the time.
It's more likely to happen for example Ratuken items only have a 3 year limit, i know as fallen fowl of this myself.

1701-e 24-05-2021 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080535)
Why would you care? Are you planning to do lots of recording? ;)


There isn't an ability to keep them for a fixed time, but they become inaccessible after a time if the channel is dropped by VM.
Or moved. I went to watch a old recording from C4hd but it was coming up channel no longer available.

BenMcr 24-05-2021 16:30
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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36080582)
Or moved. I went to watch a old recording from C4hd but it was coming up channel no longer available.
Where the channel is directly replaced by a similar version e.g. going from SD / HD to HD only, then recordings are maintained where possible. Unfortunately content rights get complicated.

Technically the version of Channel 4 HD you recorded it from stopped broadcasting, and a different version was launched in it's place.

Same happened with some of the BBC channels.

OLD BOY 24-05-2021 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36080535)
Why would you care? Are you planning to do lots of recording? ;)


There isn't an ability to keep them for a fixed time, but they become inaccessible after a time if the channel is dropped by VM.
Yes, I do record a lot because on demand bookmarks are unreliable, with programmes being pulled after a week, 4 weeks or a few months.

I grant you, there has been a lot less worth recording lately - most of the good stuff can now be found on the streamers - but until all content can be seen later in this way, I still need to record stuff.

As far as the latter paragraph is concerned, that has happened only rarely until recently. When Universal closed down last year, I made a point of watching all recordings from that channel before they were pulled. I will be doing the same for Fox content that has been recorded.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080530)
I'd say it's more likely to happen with third party content in the near future (e.g. Friends being removed from Netflix at extremely short notice).

I'm sure for the vast majority of rational consumers in the marketplace subscribing to an additional service to get the same content they had previously is sub-optimal outcome - they aren't as dogmatic as you are about streaming.
As I said, the vast majority of what I watch on the streamers is the original content, so that disadvantage does not apply. Now (TV) of course, is an exception.

I'm not dogmatic about streaming. I record, bookmark or otherwise access content where it is to be found. Increasingly over time, this tends to be by way of the streamers.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36080556)
Also worth pointing out that broadcasters can also have in their content agreement that recordings become inaccessible if you no longer subscribe to the channel - even when it's still on the platform.

Although it's only Sky that currently do this - as they do for their own customers on their platform too still I believe.
Well, that is within your own control. If you want to retain recordings from a particular channel, then keep subscribing to it.

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36080566)
It's more likely to happen for example Ratuken items only have a 3 year limit, i know as fallen fowl of this myself.
3 years is reasonable, IMHO.

Legendkiller2k 24-05-2021 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080590)
Yes, I do record a lot because on demand bookmarks are unreliable, with programmes being pulled after a week, 4 weeks or a few months.

I grant you, there has been a lot less worth recording lately - most of the good stuff can now be found on the streamers - but until all content can be seen later in this way, I still need to record stuff.

As far as the latter paragraph is concerned, that has happened only rarely until recently. When Universal closed down last year, I made a point of watching all recordings from that channel before they were pulled. I will be doing the same for Fox content that has been recorded.

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As I said, the vast majority of what I watch on the streamers is the original content, so that disadvantage does not apply. Now (TV) of course, is an exception.

I'm not dogmatic about streaming. I record, bookmark or otherwise access content where it is to be found. Increasingly over time, this tends to be by way of the streamers.

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Well, that is within your own control. If you want to retain recordings from a particular channel, then keep subscribing to it.

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3 years is reasonable, IMHO.
No it's not i pay £9.99 on a buy and keep option, i might aswell pay the same on a blu ray disk.

OLD BOY 24-05-2021 19:46
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36080612)
No it's not i pay £9.99 on a buy and keep option, i might aswell pay the same on a blu ray disk.
I don't disagree with you, Legendkiller. It's hardly buy and keep - I think we should involve Trading Standards!

What I meant was that being able to keep your bookmarks for three years was reasonable - but clearly if you bought the stream, you should not then have it taken away.

1andrew1 24-05-2021 20:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36080612)
No it's not i pay £9.99 on a buy and keep option, i might aswell pay the same on a blu ray disk.
That's just a 36-month rental!

1701-e 24-05-2021 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36080589)
Where the channel is directly replaced by a similar version e.g. going from SD / HD to HD only, then recordings are maintained where possible. Unfortunately content rights get complicated.

Technically the version of Channel 4 HD you recorded it from stopped broadcasting, and a different version was launched in it's place.

Same happened with some of the BBC channels.
Yes I understand that though this area hasn't had the C4hd/SD switch.
Luckily enough the programme I was looking for was shown again recently.

Legendkiller2k 24-05-2021 21:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080634)
That's just a 36-month rental!
I just buy on dvd or blu ray now, rip them to my pc then put the dvd/blu ray in storage, i use plex then to watch my content on my tv.
As i'm not sharing it it's perfectly legal. Need decent sized harddrives though lol, i have 3 8tb ones in my pc.

ScottishSteve 26-05-2021 11:50
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GB News has posted on Twitter and confirmed their launch date

GB News will launch on Sunday 13th June at 8pm with a special programme "Welcome to GB News"

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/13...310017026?s=20

muppetman11 26-05-2021 16:44
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Now that's something I can wait for.

Itshim 26-05-2021 17:28
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36080880)
Now that's something I can wait for.
Can't wait , on virgin media 626

Raider999 26-05-2021 18:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36080889)
Can't wait , on virgin media 626
Any option to bbc news is most welcome.

Frazz 26-05-2021 20:51
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Hopefully get Disney+ app on by TiVo when fox closes down and will likely be followed by nat geo channels

Aguero9320 26-05-2021 21:32
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Streaming apps like Netflix are awful on my TiVo. My Netflix and Disney+ are better my Roku and Fire Stick.

vincerooney 26-05-2021 22:12
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36080908)
Any option to bbc news is most welcome.
aye especially with the allegations of Laura Kussenberg basically being a government mouth piece which unsurprisingly was revealed today by dominic cummings. Be also good if GB News just gave a platform to actually elected people rather than just bringing nigel farage on constantly like the BBC as he isnt an elected member of any part of our country be it national or local level.

Lets hope it gives the BBC News a kick up the arse to become unbias rather than parroting what the govt want people to hear and give voices to actual important people!

Thank heavens eh!

epsilon 27-05-2021 06:03
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GB News has arrived on channel 626 with the same graphics and audio loop already added to other platforms.

So only a matter of time until we find out if it is really unbiased.

figgyburn 27-05-2021 09:06
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Not hd it seems.

epsilon 27-05-2021 10:25
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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36080973)
Not hd it seems.

Why do you say that? It has the HD flag on the EPG.

nodrogd 27-05-2021 18:28
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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36080973)
Not hd it seems.
Its in HD on all TV platforms except Freeview/Youview.

figgyburn 28-05-2021 08:19
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Sorry my mistake, i first looked on my fav channel setting to set it there and there was no hd logo beside it.Just check this minute still no hd logo on my fav channel,hence why i posted the above.

geordiechris 28-05-2021 21:00
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Why is it so far down the guide when there are so many free channel numbers closer to 601 available?

RichardCoulter 28-05-2021 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by geordiechris (Post 36081196)
Why is it so far down the guide when there are so many free channel numbers closer to 601 available?
This will be down to both regulatory & contractual reasons.

GrimUpNorth 29-05-2021 07:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36081213)
This will be down to both regulatory & contractual reasons.
Such as?

Richardr 29-05-2021 08:24
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Ofcom's rules:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...99/epgcode.pdf

Virgin Media's Policy:

https://www.virginmedia.com/content/...0714-Final.pdf

nomadking 29-05-2021 09:13
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Not sure why it should be grouped with the Foreign News channels. Plenty of room before channel 620, only 7 out of 19 used at the moment.

Maggy 29-05-2021 09:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36080951)
aye especially with the allegations of Laura Kussenberg basically being a government mouth piece which unsurprisingly was revealed today by dominic cummings. Be also good if GB News just gave a platform to actually elected people rather than just bringing nigel farage on constantly like the BBC as he isnt an elected member of any part of our country be it national or local level.

Lets hope it gives the BBC News a kick up the arse to become unbias rather than parroting what the govt want people to hear and give voices to actual important people!

Thank heavens eh!
You do know that Ofcom is your friend when it comes to bias in TV news channels.You have the right to refer any bias issues to that organisation.;)

epsilon 29-05-2021 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36081224)
Not sure why it should be grouped with the Foreign News channels. Plenty of room before channel 620, only 7 out of 19 used at the moment.

It's first come first served, a similar policy seems to have been applied to other platforms with GB News added at the end of the News section. A little bit of leapfrogging on the Sky EPG with GB News buying a slot from another broadcaster. That sort of channel number trading doesn't happen with Virgin.


As I said a few post ago, there are too many gaps in the News section. It seems to have escaped the tidy-up exercises seen on the other genres. Many slots don't seem to have changed since the ntl and Telewest EPGs were merged.

Itshim 29-05-2021 17:26
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I'm
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36081258)
It's first come first served, a similar policy seems to have been applied to other platforms with GB News added at the end of the News section. A little bit of leapfrogging on the Sky EPG with GB News buying a slot from another broadcaster. That sort of channel number trading doesn't happen with Virgin.


As I said a few post ago, there are too many gaps in the News section. It seems to have escaped the tidy-up exercises seen on the other genres. Many slots don't seem to have changed since the ntl and Telewest EPGs were merged.
This is when favourite s comesinto it's own

TheWatcher 30-05-2021 13:27
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I'm sceptical as to whether the EPG placing has that much of an effect on ratings.

If GBN get higher ratings on Sky, it's mainly because Sky is a bigger platform. Not because the channel is more favourably located on the EPG.

1andrew1 30-05-2021 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWatcher (Post 36081308)
I'm sceptical as to whether the EPG placing has that much of an effect on ratings.

If GBN get higher ratings on Sky, it's mainly because Sky is a bigger platform. Not because the channel is more favourably located on the EPG.
Channels aren't though as there's an open market for positions on the Sky platform and channels on Freeview have done their best to get to the top of the pile.

jfman 30-05-2021 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWatcher (Post 36081308)
I'm sceptical as to whether the EPG placing has that much of an effect on ratings.

If GBN get higher ratings on Sky, it's mainly because Sky is a bigger platform. Not because the channel is more favourably located on the EPG.
Andy Murray playing tennis rates more on BBC 1 than on BBC 2. ;)

cheekyangus 30-05-2021 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36081311)
Andy Murray playing tennis rates more on BBC 1 than on BBC 2. ;)
Or anything else on BBC1 for that matter. Even though BBC2 has been around for what feels like forever, and it has the same availability.

Even more annoying that a show that's past its peak creatively and gets a "promotion" to BBC1 and the higher ratings keep it going even whe the show has got worse.

The producers wrongly think they are doing something better.

It's also a little bit like the credit given to the rebranding of UKTVG2 to Dave. They held up the success of ratings increase as wholly due to the rebrand, and not because it simultaneously had been made Free-To-Air and was available to a greater number of people.

Anyway, nothing to see here. Just me rambling.:D

---------- Post added at 17:12 ---------- Previous post was at 17:08 ----------

I see no Eurosport 4K this year. Shame.

Itshim 30-05-2021 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36081311)
Andy Murray playing tennis rates more on BBC 1 than on BBC 2. ;)
Only reason l can see for moving a BBC1 program to bbc2 for one day .we all have both ! So it just messes up recordings. Eg covd briefings on 1 pointless moves to 2

ozsat 31-05-2021 15:31
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And everybody has BBC News for the briefings

There is no need at all except for ratings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36081332)
Only reason l can see for moving a BBC1 program to bbc2 for one day .we all have both ! So it just messes up recordings. Eg covd briefings on 1 pointless moves to 2

Itshim 31-05-2021 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36081433)
And everybody has BBC News for the briefings

There is no need at all except for ratings
Good point didn't even think of them !

cheekyangus 31-05-2021 17:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36081433)
And everybody has BBC News for the briefings

There is no need at all except for ratings
Same goes for BBC Parliament.

Itshim 31-05-2021 18:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36081438)
Same goes for BBC Parliament.
Enough bs on other channels without watching that :shocked:

Media Boy UK 01-06-2021 10:52
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TiVo: Colors Gujurati to launch on Virgin Media in June

TiVo has confirmed that Colors Gujurati will be on Virgin Media from launch on Virgin Channel 825.

Colors Gujurati is set to launch sometime in June 2021.

Source: TiVo home page.

epsilon 01-06-2021 19:14
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A timing discrepancy there with the news slate offering to link to the channel which hasn't yet been added. At least Virgin are keeping everyone waiting for the news of the launch.

It maybe won't be available to everyone, the slate doesn't make it clear which subscription packs will have the channel. Not that many people will care. :)

Aguero9320 01-06-2021 21:51
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Virgin Media and O2 announce merger.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/virgin-med...s-now-in-force

vincerooney 02-06-2021 00:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36081613)
Virgin Media and O2 announce merger.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/virgin-med...s-now-in-force
after 14 years with o2 i was finally close to leaving them rather than being a fool and overpaying for brand new phones every year....i was going to get a virgin mobile account and merge all my packages

then this happened hahah. i cant escape o2 it seems

Legendkiller2k 02-06-2021 14:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36081613)
Virgin Media and O2 announce merger.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/virgin-med...s-now-in-force
RIP O2.

Hugh 02-06-2021 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36081673)
RIP O2.
tbf, it's only 19 years old (when I worked there 2000-2003, it was BT Cellnet).

Legendkiller2k 02-06-2021 15:56
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081677)
tbf, it's only 19 years old (when I worked there 2000-2003, it was BT Cellnet).
I remember BT Cellnet my second network, orange was the first one i ever had.

geordiechris 02-06-2021 20:49
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And before BT Cellnet it was just Cellnet.

ScottishSteve 03-06-2021 10:33
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Sky News has had a bit of a refresh this morning and a slight change to the EPG logo

A lick of paint before the rival channel GB News launches a week on Sunday

OLD BOY 03-06-2021 16:49
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It won’t do any good! Sky News needs to stop modelling itself on the BBC.

Hugh 03-06-2021 17:11
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Mate, not pandering to your views is not "modelling itself on the BBC" - if you are finding more and more News channels are "biased" (in your view), the bias may be on your side of the screen…

OLD BOY 03-06-2021 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081791)
Mate, not pandering to your views is not "modelling itself on the BBC" - if you are finding more and more News channels are "biased" (in your view), the bias may be on your side of the screen…
It is a fact that Sky News is modelled on the BBC.

GB News has been created to defeat the woke obsession that too many parts of the media have embraced. That includes Sky News.

muppetman11 03-06-2021 18:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081816)
It is a fact that Sky News is modelled on the BBC.

GB News has been created to defeat the woke obsession that too many parts of the media have embraced. That includes Sky News.
Oh good grief :banghead:

---------- Post added at 18:54 ---------- Previous post was at 18:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081791)
Mate, not pandering to your views is not "modelling itself on the BBC" - if you are finding more and more News channels are "biased" (in your view), the bias may be on your side of the screen…
That sounds much more like it.

Hugh 03-06-2021 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081816)
It is a fact that Sky News is modelled on the BBC.

GB News has been created to defeat the woke obsession that too many parts of the media have embraced. That includes Sky News.
Any evidence to back up that "fact", please?

"woke obsession" - I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my previous statement to the House… ;)

Itshim 03-06-2021 20:11
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My only problem with uk based news channels is the lack of news and lots of opinions . Would like a fact based service . It can be done as radio 4,s more or less shows week on week

OLD BOY 03-06-2021 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081823)
Any evidence to back up that "fact", please?

"woke obsession" - I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my previous statement to the House… ;)
Well, this seems to confirm it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-yet-sky-news/

[EXTRACT]

“Sky is broadly indistinguishable from the BBC,” an industry source says. “Little wonder Rupert Murdoch is said to refer to it as ‘BBC-lite’.”

When he launched Sky News, Murdoch aimed to disrupt the BBC and reinforce his political influence. Auntie was forced to come out fighting. In 1997, it launched the rolling news channel, BBC News 24.

Hugh 03-06-2021 20:56
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Telegraph slamming it's rivals - again, you only seem to like media that supports your views, and see any differing views as "woke"...

OLD BOY 03-06-2021 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081842)
Telegraph slamming it's rivals - again, you only seem to like media that supports your views, and see any differing views as "woke"...
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.

RichardCoulter 03-06-2021 22:47
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I consume a wide variety of BBC material and can confirm that this woke/pro everything black attitude is now affecting a wide variety of their output.

From religious programming, to plays, from children's material to social science. We even have it with their continuity announcements.

cheekyangus 03-06-2021 22:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081853)
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.
One that has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and made one long time subscriber I know cancel a couple years ago as they didn't recognise it anymore.

epsilon 03-06-2021 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081853)
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.

The Telegraph can't really be described as the centre ground. I guess it sits at the opposite end of the scale to something like the Socialist Worker. ;)

1701-e 03-06-2021 23:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36081856)
I consume a wide variety of BBC material and can confirm that this woke/pro everything black attitude is now affecting a wide variety of their output.

From religious programming, to plays, from children's material to social science. We even have it with their continuity announcements.
Yes Richard.. black continuity announcers. What next... Disabled people on screen? FFS wise up

OLD BOY 03-06-2021 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36081862)
Yes Richard.. black continuity announcers. What next... Disabled people on screen? FFS wise up
That’s not what Richard means at all. We are talking about content.

Hugh 04-06-2021 00:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081853)
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.
The Telegraph used to be a respectable, and respected, newspaper - I was a subscriber for many years.

Then the Barclay brothers took over.

epsilon 04-06-2021 00:30
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If you are considering the bias of TV news channels, it maybe isn't a great idea to use a newspaper considered to be more biased and with questionable credibility and factual accuracy.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

compare with

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

and

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sky-news/

Hugh 04-06-2021 12:18
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And these are from a US site, where (the USA) the Overton Window is quite to the right of the UK.

Legendkiller2k 04-06-2021 12:37
Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2021)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081853)
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.
Telegraph is far from respectful dear chap.

Hugh 04-06-2021 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36081868)
If you are considering the bias of TV news channels, it maybe isn't a great idea to use a newspaper considered to be more biased and with questionable credibility and factual accuracy.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

compare with

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

and

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sky-news/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081791)
Mate, not pandering to your views is not "modelling itself on the BBC" - if you are finding more and more News channels are "biased" (in your view), the bias may be on your side of the screen…
;)

Media Boy UK 04-06-2021 12:58
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New Channels set to launch on Virgin Media UK in June.

June 8th: Colors Gujurati will launch on Virgin UK Channel 825.
June 27th: BBC Red Button HD will launch on Virgin UK Channel 990*.
June 27th: BBC Red Button 2 will launch on Virgin UK Channel 992*.
June 27th: BBC Red Button 3 will launch on Virgin UK Channel 993*.
June 27th: BBC Red Button 4 will launch on Virgin UK Channel 994*.
June 27th: BBC Red Button 5 will launch on Virgin UK Channel 995*.
June 27th: BBC Red Button 6 will launch on Virgin UK Channel 996*.

*BBC Red Button Channels numbers still to be confirmed at time of posting.

July 12th: BBC Red Button HD will close on Virgin UK Channel 990*.
July 12th: BBC Red Button 2 will close on Virgin UK Channel 992*.
July 12th: BBC Red Button 3 will close on Virgin UK Channel 993*.
July 12th: BBC Red Button 4 will close on Virgin UK Channel 994*.
July 12th: BBC Red Button 5 will close on Virgin UK Channel 995*.
July 12th: BBC Red Button 6 will close on Virgin UK Channel 996*.

*BBC Red Button Channels numbers still to be confirmed at time of posting.

Hugh 04-06-2021 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081823)
Any evidence to back up that "fact", please?

"woke obsession" - I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my previous statement to the House… ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36081853)
It’s funny that whenever it is demanded that we justify our arguments and we provide a link to back up what we say, the next tactic is to rubbish the media!

The Telegraph is a respectable newspaper - it is not social media.

If you really cannot see that the Beeb has embraced the woke view of things, I don’t think you can actually assess what is centre ground.
If someone asks something politely, it is a request, not a "demand".

You must be fun when your significant other asks you to "please make a cup of tea" - do you reply "Oh, God! More of your unreasonable demands!" :D

OLD BOY 04-06-2021 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36081906)
If someone asks something politely, it is a request, not a "demand".

You must be fun when your significant other asks you to "please make a cup of tea" - do you reply "Oh, God! More of your unreasonable demands!" :D
No, I just ask her what her last servant died of!:afire:


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