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I will drive 300 hundred miles and I will drive 300 more...



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I’d agree they don’t like the setup, but I think that’s been exacerbated further by the strengths of Boris’s we have to work together, we have to work as one message. Which I think the majority of the nation took to heart and made considerable sacrifices for. There are a great deal of very very angry people in the populace who believe that DC still has questions to answer (as the ongoing police investigation would agree too) and are upset with Boris’s dismissive attitude yesterday and DC’s contrite performance today.

I’ll wholeheartedly admit I have a degree of bias I hope the police investigation results in him being charged, found guilty and him losing his job.

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On the whole I was disappointed with their questions, why didn't one of them ask why his wife didn't drive, even if they know the answer why she didn't it's still an obvious one to ask.

That's the one that scuppers him imo, drive 30 miles to a local beauty spot to test your eyesight during the height of lockdown he helped implement , spend 15 minutes by the river and then drive 30 miles back again. I don't think this will go away because of that, he claims this was all done to protect his family then drives them 60 miles when he thinks his eyesight might be iffy

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Exactly. Dominic Cummins came across well today except when pressed by some of the more thoughtful reporters. No issues with his tirip to the hospital but as for the rest of the story - well, more holes in it than in my teabag!
To take just one aspect - his wife drives so no need for him to test his eyesight on the 60-mile round family trip to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday. She could have driven back to London instead of him or she could have taken over if he'd felt his sight was not up to scratch.

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Would possibly be funny if he’d gone 300 miles, or 500 miles or if he was ginger, Scottish and had a twin brother.

But none of the above.

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Then you are clearly as 'bent' as the media. Disappointed in you totally. :td:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52793960 @19.43
Daily Mail 20th October 2014

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The bit I don't get is he's had some time to think and the best he could come with is, he got into a killing machine to see if his eyes were ok, oh I had my wife and son with me too. If he is telling the truth, I'd question whether he's all there.

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A car is not a killing machine FFS. :rolleyes:

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I don't think he or his wife are telling the truth

But that's 'probably' just me. I'm completely lost in the comings (sic) and goings in this thread.

All could have been avoided if hadn't said she felt unwell I guess . . . she was tested wasn't she?

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Maybe it is if your vision is weird, though granted that would be the user.

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Is that the best you can come up with Hugh?

He's said not had to wear his glasses in years. True statement because big clue: 2014 was years ago. :rolleyes:

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Much like you are a habitual troll then. :dozey:

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Cars are not designed to kill people, in fact they are designed not to kill people, so they are not "killing machines".

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It was a figure of speech. Thought that might have been obvious.

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Wrong again Mick:

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Short sightedness does not get better on it's own - it can only be improved with glasses or laser surgery.

You can't be "almost blind", and then miraculously not need glasses.

Also, DC lied today when he said This shows what he originally wrote in his blog last year - references to SARS and corona virus were added to his blog post on pandemic risks sometime between April and May of this year.

https://web.archive.org/web/diff/202...transmissible/

Actually, it was modified on the 14th of April this year <lastmod>2020-04-14T20:55:20+00:00</lastmod> - his first day back at work...

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How else would you explain a family day trip on your wife's birthday at a time when the messaging you've helped devise says such inessential trips are against the rules? I'm not sure even given a month a half, J.K. Rowling could come up with a convincing story.

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Cummings has said he and his wife have not been tested.

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His son was tested at the hospital

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It was Mrs Cummings birthday on their day trip to Barnard Castle, which was nice ;)

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How could I forget the son! My bad - duly corrected the post.

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This is not “watergate”, the media need to move on as it is getting very tedious and very boring.

It’s not going to bring down the Government, it’s not going to bring down the PM, it doesn’t even look like it will bring down him.

If the media keep pushing and pushing for his head, and they don’t get it, it will appear a bit desperate.

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I am not sure I have ever known Johnson to be "almost blind" perhaps he was using that term figuratively, perhaps try not to get sucked in to literal meanings Hugh.

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Now that is a beast. :p:

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Not really, I’m not hounding for his resignation or for him to be sacked. All I’d like to see is a competent investigation and at the end IF he’s guilty of any law breaking then to be punished accordingly.

I’m sorry to hear your disappointed in me. I’ll try not to lie awake worrying about it.

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That's not how you said it. You said it because you have a bias, you have a desire to see him convicted and lose his job. This is just showing hatred for someone regardless of their innocence.

To clarify, I am disappointed in your lack of objectionable judgement that you normally present yourself with, usually. Lacking today though because of who Cummings is.

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Alastair Campbell's arse handed to him on a plate. Splendid.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1590439956

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Yep, I’d like to see him convicted and lose his job but ONLY if he’s found guilty on the evidence provided. I have at no point bayed rabidly for his immediate dismissal.

That’s hardly a display of hatred. More perhaps that I’m human and make errors. Most importantly I can admit to making those errors

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This looks like a bit of a walk back to me...

So you saying initially....

Isn't hatred for someone?

Key word you used was bias.

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Just seen this from Isabel Oakeshott:

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Intelligent article from the Chief Executive of Conservative Home, Mark Wallace. His conclusion is one that most people will be able to make, but he succeeds in drawing out the skills that Dominic posseses.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnis...resign-2864272

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Time for some zzz. Thread closed for the night.

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Good morning, thread re-opened. :)

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The latest Govt. slogan:-
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/05/13.jpg

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All is see is a load of failing journalists stamping their feet and having hissy fits because they couldn't revive their failing careers on the back of mr cummins, it's just booooooring now, nothing to see,time to move on to the next victim.

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Perhaps my original comment was poorly thought out.

Yes, I'm biased but I can be biased without hatred. I'm biased towards my atrociously poor football team, that doesn't mean I hate every other football team.

Would I like to see him lose his job over this. Absolutely. Will i be miffed if he doesn't? slightly. Will I continuously call for him to resign or be sacked. No

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That's unfair, there were exceptional circumstances, one of the main ones being he thinks he's exceptional...

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The fact that so many usually supportive conservative columnists/newspapers/MPs, have turned against the Govt on this, might give you a clue to where public opinion lies. Cummings staying is good news for opposition parties.

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I would calculate the public opinion on this matter is split 52% for him-48%against.


I don't think this minor bump in the road will affect him, i still think he's on track for a future Knighthood for his excellent service to his country.


just seen him leaving his home with police clearing the **** out of his path [better late than never] he's off back to work where he belongs.

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I think you calculate wrongly.... Easy to do in a right wing isolated bubble ;)

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You would think that if you're still using that old soviet union calculator[abacus]


You should be happy we had two options for mr cummins remain or leave. this time remain won the argument that must be a result

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Strange how YouGov polled over should Cummings go or not but obviously papa must have missed that one.;)

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...cumming_resign


And 68% of Brits (including most Tory voters) consider Dominic Cummings to have broken the lockdown rules.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/s...ng_break_rules

He must have missed that opinion poll one as well.;)

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Perhaps we should have a non legally binding referendum on it?

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opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one;)

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Always in denial l see.:p:

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Dom could run it just like the last one;)

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He could have a Clash song as his campaign theme? ;)

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Conservative MP Douglas Ross resigns as minister over Dominic Cummings row.

https://news.stv.tv/politics/tory-mp...mmings-row?top

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This is more and more an internal Conservative Party dispute. The opposition parties are likely quite happy for the internal dispute to fester.
I wonder if he uses this song in his resignation speech? ;)

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Its always wise for opposition parties sometimes to say nothing and let the government of the day implode from within.

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Agreed. And any Government with a strong majority has a wider range of MPs to manage.

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The opposition parties should just let it be. The press are fine on their own with this story and once people get bored all the value for them will have been extracted, the Government will take a hit from it and then move on.

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Sorry for not reading through 37 pages of stuff but...

It looks like he broke the rules but the question to ask is would you do the same in the same situation? Forget about possibility of getting caught/punished for one moment.

Then does it make a difference because of his position, either way - should he follow more or lest strictly?

Does his position mean the media is treating this the same way it would someone else? OK there will always be more attention to people like him but is the treatment fair?

Is the PM's response fair? If he had dismissed him would the headlines run "PM fires friend after mercy trip for children!!!"

Should he resign? Should he resign now? Has what he done so undermined him to make his position untenable? Should he be reprimanded, officially.

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So presumably a by-election to come soon then with regular reminders during the campaign as to why he resigned:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...trips-11994758

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He's only resigned from government.he's still a sitting MP.

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First poll since Friday: https://twitter.com/ChrisHopkins92/s...06072794648576

Cummings will survive but it cost them. Those numbers are likely to recover a bit but still.

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It seems the last few days have not gone too well with the great British public as the PM's and the government's approval ratings plummet.

https://savanta.com/coronavirus-data-tracker/

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Approval ratings only matter when an election is close,obviously everyone and his dog is blaming bozzer for the lockdown and the present difficulties,but as life returns to normal i expect ratings to be on the rise.

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I see that the press outside his house didn't adhere to the 2-metre social distancing.

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The 2m social distancing rule only applies if it can be done, arguable case that in order for the photographers to do their job to the best of their abilities that they could not adhere to it.

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Key issue is the economy. If it recovers quickly, people may be forgiving. If it's a more-bath shaped recovery with severe redundancies when furlough schemes end, the electorate will be less forgiving.
And if there's a second wave of infection - which I doubt - then the finger will be pointed at Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson's government.

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Perhaps one for the other thread, but why do you doubt a second wave ?

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The poll ratings will recover and besides, it's a long time until the election.

Things like this are cumulative. It impacts people's perceptions of the Government and erodes some goodwill but voters who elected the Conservatives on a large margin just six months ago haven't, and won't, all leave them over this. However, it's a knock and you only get so many before real damage sets in. Every Government has these moments. They'll pay a price but not at all a fatal one.

It will also cost Boris Johnson slightly, he has asked his ministers and MPs to back him over it and they will but it's a favour they've done him. He can only push them so far as well.

And yes people's perceptions of how they handled the pandemic will greatly override whatever Cummings does.

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There are precedents...

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/...d-coronavirus/ It was probably because Downing Street was crowded...

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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...49305163714568

His statement didn't seem to help:

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In other news bears found defecating in woods

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The fundamental problem the PM has is that most of the British public dislike arrogance & hypocrisy. When you are presented with a combination of them both in an individual who is a powerful and unelected member of the Government, there lies the issue.

Had Cummings said straight off that he made a clear mistake, his wasn't thinking clearly due to illness, etc. and made a clear apology, this would have died down by now. The fact that he did not and further compounded his mistake with bullshit excuses is the reason this is still active. For a man who such a self-proclaimed genius, he is remarkably stupid.

A certain, renowned left wing journalist sums this whole debacle up well:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/stat...07510651535360

In contrast, this is what true leadership looks like:

Dutch PM didn't visit dying mother due to Covid-19 rules

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He was following the carrot and she wanted the Babybel cheese.

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Well that's a first,Piers moron described as a journalist:rofl: he's more like an obnoxious over opinionated gobshyte.

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likewise the "stay at home" rule could be swerved if you had a child safeguarding issue.

you can't have it both ways.

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So we all agree that there are, and were, reasons why the adherence to guidance can be adapted for certain situations?

why all the fuss then?

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You'll have to go back and find where i said he couldn't take his child to Durham? I've repeatedly said that the guidance was changed on the 9th April to permit this.

However, his 'testing his eyesight' by driving from Durham to Barnard Castle is not permitted. Also, if he suspected he had bad eyesight why would you drive that distance on what are considered quite dangerous roads (high accident/fatality rate) when there's a perfectly good dual carriageway approximately 10 minutes away from his house?

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/26/barna...lect-12757215/

Superb !!!!

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He went before the 9th of April?

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More pressure on the PM to get rid of Dominic Cummings as the Scottish Conservative leader Jackson Carlaw has called for Cummings to resign.

https://twitter.com/BBCandrewkerr/st...70712543121408

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Another remain voter comes out against cummins what a surprise,cummins will not resign and i don't blame him, you can't let the bullies win.

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Nigel Farage exposes plot to use Dominic Cummings outrage as bid for Brexit extension


The LBC host continued: "It is clear that there are many, not all, but many in the Remain camp particularly, who would like to see the back of him.

"They think Cummings going now may well aid them in getting us to extend, beyond the end of this year, staying in the EU rulebook.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...navirus-update

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I wondered when he would raise his head above the parapets. Good idea to use another bogeyman to detract from another.

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A perfect example of lazy misdirection :) Ignore the point raised and just whinge about who said it.

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Yep that's what you normally do.

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He is feeling unloved. A desperate sad little man who craves attention .. is he the same person who broke lockdown laws to hunt hordes of imaginary foreign immigrants?

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Can you not see the irony here? You also ignored the point I raised just to then complain about me ignoring points that are raised :)

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Sorry i don't understand what you mean.

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All the other parties met today to decide what to do, rather stupidly, but in 'more sense than Corbyn' mode Starmer didn't attend and Labour refused to put their name to anything.

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A member of the public just asked a question which might have changed Government policy.

Asked if all fines issued for child care police be reviewed Hancock implied it might be.

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Oh, so if someone in Govt breaks then the rules, then the rules get changed ! Makes sense. We should be grateful I guess.

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On that, I agree that this additional journey was ill advised.. I suspect this is where he is most vulnerable. However, whether the police regard that as being right or wrong, depends on whether they believe that his reason for doing this is a 'reasonable excuse'.

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You're assuming this will with Bozza's only cock up/scandal over 5 years, we all know it won't be. Plus the reality of Brexit to hit home and a country now with a massive debt.

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What about Starmer letting Kinnock off, then? Anything to say about that?

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The cock-up entirely in the current Government's hands was dithering over lock-down behind Ireland and other countries. The lack of PPE, tracking and testing infrastructure can be blamed partly on predecessor Governments.

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Not an amazing look, but Kinnock didn't write the lockdown rules and then appear to thrice break them. (Driving to Durham, driving to the hospital, driving to Barnard Castle).

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On what place on the earth is it a reasonable excuse to get into a car and drive a considerable distance (or any distance) to check to see if your eyes are ok for driving?

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A point seemingly ignored:

https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/sta...72144909352962

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If there is to be a nail in his coffin this will be it. Especially as it was his wife's birthday.

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:tu:

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I guess you have to make it more clear then? :) I mean, this is a thread on DC's lockdown adventures not one where we discuss if Piers is or is not a "journalist".

This is basic stuff but you replied to me ignoring the point of my post re: the Trumpian-level hypocrisy of the current situation as outlined by a certain Mr Morgan and just complained about the professional credentials of the person saying it.

I suppose that my idea of fun isn't calling someone a "gobshite", YMMV ..

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Well, all the opticians are closed...:erm:

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However, it is worthy of note that he did not spread the virus. A point his detractors conveniently ignore.

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And if they were open you would have to drive to get there;)

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Are they ?


https://www.specsavers.co.uk/covid19-statement

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Or your wife could drive you to Durham VisionExpress or SpecSavers, who are open...

From the Sun, 24th March 2020

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112411...n-key-workers/

Quote:

Specsavers says that its branches are "open for essential and urgent services only" during the current, Government-enforced lockdown. It adds: "We’ve suspended all routine eye and hearing tests." This is to prevent Covid-19 spreading further. But, if you need an urgent appointment or advice, you are advised to call your local outlet. "If you’re a key worker, let us know when you call and we’ll prioritise the help we can offer you," Specsavers adds.

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How do you know that?

His wife, who believed she had COVID-19 symptoms, went to the hospital with their son.

And before you start splitting hairs, his wife and child would not have been in Durham if he had not driven them there, so if she did infect anyone, he was a contributing factor (also, his wife had been sharing a house/looking after him whilst he was unwell, so unless she performed a deep clean on herself and her son before they went to the hospital, she could have also have been carrying traces of the virus from him).

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They won't review lockdown fines to families who travelled to get childcare in lockdown:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-spot-11995052

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If the journeys were legal then lawyers can sort it out surely.

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Just appeal on the grounds that they were testing their eyesight - that covers a 60-mile round trip. ;)

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Looks like there could be another lockdown No 1 on its way - Is this the way to Barnard Castle?

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From tomorrow’s Daily Mail