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Mr Banana 19-02-2018 19:22

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Totally bizarre that a serving president world tweet this -Just watched a very insecure Oprah Winfrey, who at one point I knew very well, interview a panel of people on 60 Minutes. The questions were biased and slanted, the facts incorrect. Hope Oprah runs so she can be exposed and defeated just like all of the others!

Mick 20-02-2018 01:05

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35937626)
Totally bizarre that a serving president world tweet this -Just watched a very insecure Oprah Winfrey, who at one point I knew very well, interview a panel of people on 60 Minutes. The questions were biased and slanted, the facts incorrect. Hope Oprah runs so she can be exposed and defeated just like all of the others!

That's typical Trump tweet rhetoric.

It's not as crazy as this following tweet...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1519088222

That's the 2nd tweet today I've seen calling on Trump's Assassination. Just plain wrong. The twitter account has been deleted, cannot be found now when searching for it, same with the account of the threat I saw.

Mr K 20-02-2018 07:12

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35937690)
That's typical Trump tweet rhetoric.
.

Typical Trump crap more like.

Get the impression he's spending most of his Presidency watching the telly/tweeting, fitting some golf in when there's nothing decent on...

Mick 20-02-2018 08:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35937696)
Typical Trump crap more like.

Get the impression he's spending most of his Presidency watching the telly/tweeting, fitting some golf in when there's nothing decent on...

Your impressions are misguided and full of negativity, someone who gets up on the wrong side of the bed every day perhaps. :rolleyes:

As for Trump doing nothing, wrong again, passing tax reforms, big win for him, reversing or abolishing Obama’s policies, boosting the U.S economy in the process. Wage growth, job growth for women and blacks, all happening in the U.S.

51% of Americans now in favour of the tax changes according to Axios, it was 37% in December.

Will history repeat itself, when tax reforms fully take hold?

History recalls, Republican President, Ronald Reagan, who was just as unpopular in his first years as Trump, another television personality, a few years later ran on the 1984 ticket and won his second term in a landslide, the entire electoral map turned Republican red bar one State, the State of Minnesota. 525 Electoral college seats out of 539 won, Reagan’s winning formula... The economic recovery and the renewed sense of American optimism in the mid 1980s.

Meanwhile, you got the Democrats, with no real message, caused the government shutdown a few weeks ago, because they were putting illegal immigrants before their own citizens, they are still screaming Russia Russia, when there is no proof but more proof is coming out about their own rigging of the election, they think the thousand dollar bonuses, employees are getting because the tax changes are ‘crumbs’ and Nancy Pelosi, Democrat Minority House leader,, well, she is just batshit crazy.

1andrew1 22-02-2018 22:17

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I know we have a bit of banter about Comrade Trump but I find this a bit perturbing:
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Roger Stone, Mr Trump’s first campaign manager, had a knack for guessing when WikiLeaks would dump its next cache. Mr Trump would then forecast it from the hustings. He cited WikiLeaks 164 times in the last four weeks of the general election. The timing of the leaks was always helpful. The largest dump took place 32 minutes after the release of the notorious Access Hollywood tapes. Who is to say that smoke bomb did not alter the US election? Nobody can prove Russia’s impact either way, of course. With each move by Mr Mueller, Mr Trump will only become more obsessed with disproving it.
https://www.ft.com/content/4c57a39e-...6-4a6390addb44

Also worrying is that some six months after Congress passed new Russia sanctions, Mr Trump has failed to implement them and appears likely to kick them into the long grass.

passingbat 22-02-2018 23:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35938088)

Also worrying is that some six months after Congress passed new Russia sanctions, Mr Trump has failed to implement them and appears likely to kick them into the long grass.


Also worrying is that most of your sources seem to come from those that believe in world government, and are against Sovereign nations ;)

Mick 22-02-2018 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35938088)
I know we have a bit of banter about Comrade Trump but I find this a bit perturbing:

https://www.ft.com/content/4c57a39e-...6-4a6390addb44

Also worrying is that some six months after Congress passed new Russia sanctions, Mr Trump has failed to implement them and appears likely to kick them into the long grass.

What sanctions do we apply to Hillary Campaign/DNC and Fusion GPS funding a foreign former Spy, who is said to have got unverified claims from Russians? (The real collusion btw)

Hugh 23-02-2018 10:43

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938094)
What sanctions do we apply to Hillary Campaign/DNC and Fusion GPS funding a foreign former Spy, who is said to have got unverified claims from Russians? (The real collusion btw)

Well, when Congress overwhelmingly vote for sanctions against them, we will find out, but until then, why hasn't Trump carried out the sanctions voted for by the Legislature?

Mick 23-02-2018 14:14

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Hang on, let me just give him a bell and ask him.....

.....No sorry, I don’t have the President of the United States on speed dial believe it or not...

I tell you what, you ask. I don’t know. The President does not have to approve, he has the veto power, in that case it’s up to Congress to then override the Veto by two thirds vote in both House and Senate.

Hugh 23-02-2018 14:24

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938149)
Hang on, let me just give him a bell and ask him.....

.....No sorry, I don’t have the President of the United States on speed dial believe it or not...

I tell you what, you ask. I don’t know. The President does not have to approve, he has the veto power, in that case it’s up to Congress to then override the Veto by two thirds vote in both House and Senate.

Strangely enough, I didn't ask you the reasons - it was a rhetorical question.

But he hasn't vetoed the Sanctions Bill, he already signed it on the 2nd August 207, he has just not carried out the agreed sanctions, which both House and Senate voted for overwhelmingly, much more than 2/3rds - 419 - 3 in House, and 98 - 2 in the Senate.

Mr Banana 23-02-2018 14:42

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Looks like Trump doesn’t rate his leadership team, looking at his latest tweet

My daughter, Ivanka, just arrived in South Korea. We cannot have a better, or smarter, person representing our country.

passingbat 23-02-2018 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938118)
Well, when Congress overwhelmingly vote for sanctions against them, we will find out, but until then, why hasn't Trump carried out the sanctions voted for by the Legislature?


Come on Hugh, surely you know!? He's getting his Trump/Russian collusion fix in now, well before the next Presedential election! :rolleyes:;)

Kursk 23-02-2018 16:52

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35938152)
Looks like Trump doesn’t rate his leadership team, looking at his latest tweet

My daughter, Ivanka, just arrived in South Korea. We cannot have a better, or smarter, person representing our country.

Have yet to meet a man who isn't (rightly) proud of his daughter; don't think it reflects on his leadership team. Complimenting a family member doesn't denigrate anyone else imo.

Mick 23-02-2018 20:37

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BREAKING: Latest development in Special Counsel Investigation in to Russian Meddling in U.S Election 2016 : Former Trump Campaign Aide, Rick Gates, has plead guilty to two charges of Conspiracy and lying to Special Counsel, Robert Mueller III. Sentencing Date has not yet been set.

It is important to stress that... None of these charges relate to Russian collusion, these are offences based on fraudulent activities from years ago relating to Ukraine, in which there is said to be links to the Podesta Group and Tony Podesta, who last year abruptly quit the firm when Mueller came sniffing around (His brother, John Podesta was Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman in U.S Election 2016).

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JUST NOW BREAKING: White House ON LOCK DOWN : A Passenger VEHICLE has attempted to RAM SECURITY BARRIER at the White House.

Source: U.S Secret Service.

https://twitter.com/SecretService/st...34390869544961

https://news.sky.com/story/white-hou...rrier-11264294

Mr K 23-02-2018 20:51

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938176)
JUST NOW BREAKING: White House ON LOCK DOWN : A Passenger VEHICLE has attempted to RAM SECURITY BARRIER at the White House.

Source: U.S Secret Service.

https://twitter.com/SecretService/st...34390869544961

https://news.sky.com/story/white-hou...rrier-11264294

Big Mac emergency delivery for the Donald ?

Mick 23-02-2018 21:41

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More news coming out....Associated Press is reporting Special Counsel is accusing Paul Manafort of Secretly paying former European Politicians to lobby on behalf of Ukraine.

1andrew1 23-02-2018 21:42

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So, let me get this right. Mr Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort worked for a pro-Russian party in Ukraine.
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Richard Gates entered the plea on Friday, a day after he and longtime boss Paul Manafort, Mr Trump’s one-time campaign manager, were charged with 32 counts related to what prosecutors claim was an elaborate scheme to hide offshore some $75m in income related to their work for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party.
https://www.ft.com/content/879b2960-...6-4a6390addb44

Arthurgray50@blu 23-02-2018 21:54

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DT was probably ordering KFC, but there was so much on the car. It couldn't get through the gate

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When is the President elections ? He wont get back in again,

What he has done is divide America. He has segregated the poor from the rich. Under Obama, everyone was equal.
But under true Trump style. He gone for the rich in every aspect. He has NOT done anything for the poor in the States.

There is so much problem's coming out the woodwork about Trump ie unbelievable.

Mick 23-02-2018 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938183)
DT was probably ordering KFC, but there was so much on the car. It couldn't get through the gate

---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:50 ----------

When is the President elections ? He wont get back in again,

What he has done is divide America. He has segregated the poor from the rich. Under Obama, everyone was equal.
But under true Trump style. He gone for the rich in every aspect. He has NOT done anything for the poor in the States.

There is so much problem's coming out the woodwork about Trump ie unbelievable.

Oh geez... Where are you reading that crap in?

No, nobody was equal under Obama. There was still a divide under Obama...

..Black Lives Mattered came to be under Obama’s leadership.

Trump has not segregated the poor from the rich. He has given tax cuts starting at the lowest tax band. Child tax credit was also increased. How is that not doing anything for the poor?

Wages are rising, some seeing their hourly rate rise from $10 to $15 an hour.

passingbat 23-02-2018 22:27

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938183)
There is so much problem's coming out the woodwork about Trump ie unbelievable.


Tell me some, Arthur

Mick 23-02-2018 22:31

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938190)
Tell me some, Arthur

Expect an answer on the 12th of never. Arthur gobs off, using his stash of tabloids for sources... then vanishes, little does he return and respond to follow ups.

Mr K 24-02-2018 10:54

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938191)
Expect an answer on the 12th of never. Arthur gobs off, using his stash of tabloids for sources... then vanishes, little does he return and respond to follow ups.

Maybe, unlike the rest of us, Arthur has better things to do ;) The 'belittling' of certain members on this forum is getting tiring, everyone's view is valid even if you disagree.

Mick 24-02-2018 11:05

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35938234)
Maybe, unlike the rest of us, Arthur has better things to do ;) The 'belittling' of certain members on this forum is getting tiring, everyone's view is valid even if you disagree.

Bit rich coming from you, specifically when you have tendencies to spout people you don’t agree with as ‘mad’, ‘crazy’ ‘head in the sand’ and your favourite, ‘uneducated’.

Mr K 24-02-2018 11:13

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938239)
Bit rich coming from you, specifically when you have tendencies to spout people you don’t agree with as ‘mad’, ‘crazy’ ‘head in the sand’ and your favourite, ‘uneducated’.

Not directed at forum members Mick unlike some....

Mick 24-02-2018 11:26

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35938244)
Not directed at forum members Mick unlike some....

Really...?

You directed your little personal crusade against one member, often posted little digs at that same member who uses order-order as a source and you even copied his signature, so don’t bullshit me Mr K.

Anyway, enough of this. Back to the topic.

OLD BOY 24-02-2018 12:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938183)
DT was probably ordering KFC, but there was so much on the car. It couldn't get through the gate

---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:50 ----------

When is the President elections ? He wont get back in again,

What he has done is divide America. He has segregated the poor from the rich. Under Obama, everyone was equal.
But under true Trump style. He gone for the rich in every aspect. He has NOT done anything for the poor in the States.

There is so much problem's coming out the woodwork about Trump ie unbelievable.

A lot of people over here suffer the delusion that Trump would not be elected for a second term. I think they have a gobsmacking disappointment coming. The changes he is making in the US, particularly on tax and job creation, will indeed secure him a second term, because that is what really matters to Americans in the end.

Mick 24-02-2018 12:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938264)
A lot of people over here suffer the delusion that Trump would not be elected for a second term. I think they have a gobsmacking disappointment coming. The changes he is making in the US, particularly on tax and job creation, will indeed secure him a second term, because that is what really matters to Americans in the end.

According to latest Rasmussen Poll. Trump is now at 50% Approval rating. Which is currently higher rating than what Obama’s was st the same point in his Presidency.

The Mid Terms May be indicator where things are going, typically that party whose got the Presidency, doesn’t do so well, that’s what happened during Obama’s first term, Democrats had majority in House and Senate, they suffered heavy losses in the House and lost many seats in the Senate.

The Mueller investigation is a bit of wild goose chase. Nothing concrete in latest indictments announced.

Damien 24-02-2018 12:45

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938266)
According to latest Rasmussen Poll. Trump is now at 50% Approval rating. Which is currently higher rating than what Obama’s was st the same point in his Presidency.

Only because you’re limiting it to Trump’s best poll. Rasmussen always has the strongest Republican lean.

If you comparing the polling average, I.e all polls together, then he isn’t.

Mick 24-02-2018 13:22

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Rasmussen was only poll that correctly predicted a Trump win.

passingbat 24-02-2018 13:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938264)
The changes he is making in the US, particularly on tax and job creation, will indeed secure him a second term, because that is what really matters to Americans in the end.


So why did the Evangelicals massively vote for him? It wasn't solely for those things. There was more going on than you realise.

Hugh 24-02-2018 23:24

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House Intelligence Committee release redacted version of Democrats rebuttal memo.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democra...-live-updates/

Full (redacted) memo.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3723...emo#from_embed

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938271)
Rasmussen was only poll that correctly predicted a Trump win.

Rasmussen predicted Clinton to win on Election Day.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...nal_2016_picks
Quote:

Clinton 322, Trump 216; 50-50 Senate; GOP holds House

OLD BOY 25-02-2018 00:09

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938272)
So why did the Evangelicals massively vote for him? It wasn't solely for those things. There was more going on than you realise.

What have the Evangelicals got to do with anything? They are just another pressure group and they will always vote for authoritarian Republican administrations.

How they live with themselves, given the teachings of the Bible, I really do not comprehend. But then again, they are past masters at twisting words to mean anything they want them to mean.

passingbat 25-02-2018 00:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938371)
What have the Evangelicals got to do with anything? .


They turned out in far greater numbers than usual to help Trump win.


They opposed the moral decline that would increase further under Clinton, her Luke warm (at best) attitude to Israel, and her inclination to global government. Her views on aborting babies, so close to birth was outrageous to Evangelical Christians.


To narrow it down to 'Lower taxes and more jobs' as you did, shows a lack of understanding of the full picture. There was even a Brexit element in there too from the American Heartland.

OLD BOY 25-02-2018 01:04

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938375)

They turned out in far greater numbers than usual to help Trump win.


They opposed the moral decline that would increase further under Clinton, her Luke warm (at best) attitude to Israel, and her inclination to global government. Her views on aborting babies, so close to birth was outrageous to Evangelical Christians.


To narrow it down to 'Lower taxes and more jobs' as you did, shows a lack of understanding of the full picture. There was even a Brexit element in there too from the American Heartland.

I'm sure they did!

Despite what you say, most Americans who vote for Trump will do so on the 'lower taxes, more jobs' platform.

The evangelicals may be able to swing the vote due to the narrow majority that the Republicans hold, but these people do not represent majority opinion in the States.

Mick 25-02-2018 03:23

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The Democrat Memo is out. Just confirms same stuff in GOP Memo. The Dems have neglected to include it was their party together with the Crooked Hillary campaign that funded the Dossier.

Devin Nunes has issued a rebuttal to the Democratic Memo, highlighting there is a ton of issues with it. This is suppose to be a joint Committee of Investigation oversight, yet, politics cannot be avoided. Should be Independent team.

Hugh 25-02-2018 18:43

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Trump tweeted today
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Donald J Trump
@realdonaldtrump

“Congressman Schiff omitted and distorted key facts” @FoxNews So, what else is new. He is a total phony!

25/02/2018 00:56
What the Fox News anchor actually said
Quote:

"Congressman Schiff, he ARGUES the REPUBLICAN memo omitted and distorted key facts."
Trump just deleted 5 words from the quote to allege the opposite meaning, and then had the temerity to accuse Schiff of distorting facts.

Mick 25-02-2018 21:34

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The Democrat Memo failed to mention who funded the dossier, conveniently, because it was their own DNC party and the Crooked Hillary campaign that did so.

The Democrats should not be able to investigate their own serious wrong doings because they are obviously going to deflect and manipulate the facts, as they have done in this case.

It will require the DoJ OIG, who is independent of either party to investigate who may suggest a Second Special Prosecutor, he may do that when he finishes his report due next month, but he is needed to investigate the FISA abuses under the Obama Administration and understand how much President Obama was involved in those decisions, given the text message from disgraced FBI Agent Peter Strzok, indicating President Obama wanted to know 'everything' they were doing and this was the President who said he did not get involved in FBI Investigations, period, ever, on TV.

Hugh 25-02-2018 21:57

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Trump still lied in his tweet.

Mr K 25-02-2018 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938496)
Trump still lied in his tweet.

At least he's consistent Hugh ;)

Mick 25-02-2018 22:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938496)
Trump still lied in his tweet.

I don't agree that he did.

Mr K 25-02-2018 22:17

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938502)
I don't agree that he did.

You do surprise us :D

Mick 25-02-2018 22:26

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Whether the distinction between words, it's just semantics, the statement in Trump's tweet is correct. Adam Schiff omitted information for political reasons because it was his party being alleged to be involved in the FISA abuses.

1andrew1 25-02-2018 23:21

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938504)
Whether the distinction between words, it's just semantics, the statement in Trump's tweet is correct. Adam Schiff omitted information for political reasons because it was his party being alleged to be involved in the FISA abuses.

But Trump's tweet was in quotation marks and referenced Fox News.

Mr Banana 26-02-2018 07:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938502)
I don't agree that he did.


And Trumps UK spokesman as ever, kept to the script.

Mick 26-02-2018 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35938521)
And Trumps UK spokesman as ever, kept to the script.

Change the record. :zzz:

Hugh 26-02-2018 15:37

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.b1636464a424
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Supreme Court declines to enter controversy over ‘dreamers,’ rejects Trump administration’s request to review lower court rulings

The Supreme Court on Monday declined to enter the national controversy over “dreamers,” turning down the Trump administration’s request to immediately review lower court decisions that keep in place the program that protects undocumented immigrants brought here as children from deportation.

President Trump announced in September that he would let the program expire in March, unless Congress acted. Efforts on Capitol Hill to revive the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA) as part of a broader deal on immigration policy have failed.

Federal district judges in California and New York have issued nationwide injunctions against ending the program, siding with states and organizations challenging the administration’s rescission. The court orders effectively block the Trump administration from ending the program on March 5, as planned.

No appellate court has reviewed those decisions, and it would have been exceedingly rare for the Supreme Court to take up a case without that interim step. In the past, the court has granted such cases only in matters of grave national importance, such as the controversy over President Richard Nixon’s White House tapes or solving the Iranian hostage crisis.

The litigation now will take its usual course, and the issue probably won’t return to the Supreme Court before the next term. In the meantime, the White House and Congress can continue to seek a political resolution.

The Trump administration skipped the more usual procedure of asking the high court to stay the lower court decisions. Instead, it said the court should accept the case now because it raised such important legal questions about presidential authority.

Mick 26-02-2018 16:16

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Seems fairly straight forward, the DoJ skipped a step in the litigation procedure, went from A to C and skipped B.

That notwithstanding, a court cannot just cancel constitutionally written laws as it sees fit, a DoJ spokesman has said on the SC decision: "We will continue to defend DHS’ lawful authority to wind down DACA in an orderly manner.”

Hugh 26-02-2018 19:33

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That’s why it’s going through the legal process - there is a difference of opinion about the extent of the ‘lawful authority’.

Anyway, it’s not about a court ‘cancelling Constitutionally written laws’ - it’s about Trump cancelling DACA, and courts objecting to that.

Mick 26-02-2018 19:45

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Trump is not trying to cancel the unconstitutional DACA. He is trying to get bipartisan deal done on immigration, and get to build the wall.

1andrew1 26-02-2018 19:55

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Quote:

Things look bad for Donald Trump — extremely, extremely bad
Move one could come around July, when Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel probing Trump’s election links with Russia, “returns an obstruction of justice case”. Not against Trump but “probably” against his son-in-law Jared Kushner, whose emergence, says Wolff, along with his wife Ivanka as one of the most powerful people in the world is “totally absurd”.
If that happens, move two will follow: Muller “sends this report to Congress, and that is essentially the election — the Democrats saying this man must be impeached”.
Would Americans vote to topple him? Wolff thinks they might. Poll numbers, he says, “look bad for Trump, extremely, extremely bad” — though there’s always a chance the people would pick Trump’s side as an underdog.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3775991.html

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938647)
Trump is not trying to cancel the unconstitutional DACA. He is trying to get bipartisan deal done on immigration, and get to build the wall.

DACA has not been found unconstitutional.

Mick 26-02-2018 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35938648)

DACA has not been found unconstitutional.

No court had said that, but because they have not, does not mean it isn’t.

It is unconstitutional has explained previously.

As for Michael Wolff, wtf would he know about what Mueller is doing, Wolff is an utter plank, who’s speciality is writing fiction, so say his critics.

1andrew1 26-02-2018 20:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938654)
No court had said that, but because they have not, does not mean it isn’t.

It is unconstitutional has explained previously.

As for Michael Wolff, wtf would he know about what Mueller is doing, Wolff is an utter plank, who’s speciality is writing fiction, so say his critics.

Until a court rules, we have to assume it's constitutional. The same as everyone's innocent until proved guilty.
Clearly, Wolff's critics would be critical of him, that's a given. And he does have a book to sell. But I've read elsewhere that Kushner is the family member likely to be impeached and certainly Trump seems to be distancing himself from him. As we saw with Watergate, these investigations can take a couple of years so maybe July is a bit early, I don't know.

Mick 26-02-2018 20:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35938659)
Until a court rules, we have to assume it's constitutional. The same as everyone's innocent until proved guilty.
Clearly, Wolff's critics would be critical of him, that's a given. And he does have a book to sell. But I've read elsewhere that Kushner is the family member likely to be impeached and certainly Trump seems to be distancing himself from him. As we saw with Watergate, these investigations can take a couple of years so maybe July is a bit early, I don't know.

A court did put an injunction in place after several States sued, blocking Obama when he tried to extend the same protections to Adults, it’s not Constitutional, I can determine that without a legal expert. DACA implementation cancels and suspends a law, that is in direct breach of the President’s duties to execute all laws, he cannot just suspend written laws by Congress. Plus plenty of congressional lawmakers have also agreed, DACA is unconstitutional.

1andrew1 26-02-2018 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938663)
A court did put an injunction in place after several States sued, blocking Obama when he tried to extend the same protections to Adults, it’s not Constitutional, I can determine that without a legal expert. DACA implementation cancels and suspends a law, that is in direct breach of the President’s duties to execute all laws, he cannot just suspend written laws by Congress. Plus plenty of congressional lawmakers have also agreed, DACA is unconstitutional.

If everyone in America decided the law themselves, there would be chaos as everyone would have different views. That's why we have to leave it to the courts. Whatever we might believe or understand about the due processes that have or haven't taken place.

Mick 26-02-2018 21:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35938664)
If everyone in America decided the law themselves, there would be chaos as everyone would have different views. That's why we have to leave it to the courts. Whatever we might believe or understand about the due processes that have or haven't taken place.

This has nothing to do with deciding laws, the laws are already decided and written. The President does not have the Constitutional Authority to suspend a law, this exactly what DACA does.

Hugh 26-02-2018 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938647)
Trump is not trying to cancel the unconstitutional DACA. He is trying to get bipartisan deal done on immigration, and get to build the wall.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ending-it.html

Fox News
Quote:

What is DACA and why is the Trump administration ending it?

In September 2017, the Trump administration officially announced its plan to phase out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA)

Mick 26-02-2018 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938670)

You suddenly trusting Fox News as a reliable source....

Phasing out, is not ending it and plus he passed it to Congress to act on, which is what Obama should have done, rather than abusing his power, which is again, not ending it. I stick by my post which says he is trying to get a deal on it.

1andrew1 26-02-2018 23:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938675)
You suddenly trusting Fox News as a reliable source....

Phasing out, is not ending it and plus he passed it to Congress to act on, which is what Obama should have done, rather than abusing his power, which is again, not ending it. I stick by my post which says he is trying to get a deal on it.

lol phasing something out is the same as ending it. :D

Hugh 27-02-2018 09:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938675)
You suddenly trusting Fox News as a reliable source....

Phasing out, is not ending it and plus he passed it to Congress to act on, which is what Obama should have done, rather than abusing his power, which is again, not ending it. I stick by my post which says he is trying to get a deal on it.

Does that mean the Fox News headline is fake news?

Quote:

What is DACA and why is the Trump administration ending it?

Mick 27-02-2018 12:27

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I could not give a toss about the Fox News headline. It’s not being ended, in September 2017, it was passed to Congress to properly legislate it, as it should have been under Obama’s era. I don’t know how many more times I have to say that.

passingbat 27-02-2018 14:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938735)
I could not give a toss about the Fox News headline. It’s not being ended, in September 2017, it was passed to Congress to properly legislate it, as it should have been under Obama’s era. I don’t know how many more times I have to say that.


These people can't see the dodgy stuff that has been going on in the woods, through their Obama/Clinton/democratic tinted trees.

Mick 27-02-2018 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938771)
These people can't see the dodgy stuff that has been going on in the woods, through their Obama/Clinton/democratic tinted trees.

Precisely.

Trump was never meant to win and the hidden elements were desperate to ensure that never happened, the treasure trove of scandals and corruption being unearthed that have alleged to have happened under the Obama Administration, was suppose to stay secret, forever, under a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

You have the Uranium One scandal that is being re-looked at, an informant was finally allowed to testify on that not many weeks ago, you got the Crooked Hillary Email investigation being looked at again and the Clinton Foundation is also under FBI Investigation, again, because it seems the prior investigations, were done in a shoddy like fashion, to basically clear the path to a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

Elsewhere, you have the texts of disgraced top level FBI Agents discussing an 'Insurance Policy' in the event of a Trump win, further texts of Strzok who boasted, he can do 'things on many levels', saying this as though he is some super bent agent, more texts from the same agents indicating President Obama wanted to 'know everything they were doing', this is the same Obama saying on TV, he don't talk to his Attorney General or FBI, ever, on any case, period.

Talking of the former Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, she held a chat session with former President Bill Clinton, on the back of the plane, while it sat on the tarmac at an airport in Phoenix and all they were apparently discussing was the 'grandkids' for 40 minutes, this just days prior to Fired FBI Director Comey,. announcing to the world that, Hillary was 'Extremely Careless' when handling classified emails but had miraculously broken no laws, but what makes this even more troublesome is that the same FBI agent, texting of an insurance policy, was also the one who altered Comey's draft notes, in the draft notes, it indicated Hillary was 'grossly negligent', such categorisation, implies criminal charges.

When then-Candidate Trump, prior to the 2016 U.S Election, kept bleating that the 'System is rigged' for a Hillary win, it's appearing every single day, that it really was and after all the rigging, he still won and she lost, thankfully.

Damien 27-02-2018 15:32

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Rumors Trump is about to announce his 2020 run.

Mr K 27-02-2018 15:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35938775)
Rumors Trump is about to announce his 2020 run.

Great North Run or London Marathon ? Don't rate his chances in either ;)

pip08456 27-02-2018 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35938775)
Rumors Trump is about to announce his 2020 run.

He registered it last year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...campaign,_2020

Any NEW news?

Damien 27-02-2018 15:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35938777)
He registered it last year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...campaign,_2020

Any NEW news?

No need to get aggressive. It's standard practise to form committees, look to fund rising and register domains etc even if you later decide not to run. There will be a dozen of these for 2020 from prospective candidates for 2020 even if they never go through with it. Formally announcing the run is a real development.

pip08456 27-02-2018 15:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35938779)
No need to get aggressive. It's standard practise to form committees, look to fund rising and register domains etc even if you later decide not to run. There will be a dozen of these for 2020 from prospective candidates for 2020 even if they never go through with it. Formally announcing the run is a real development.

If you say so.

Personally I think Trump wants to join the gravy train that other past 2 term presidents are on. Who can blame him? It's "the American way"!

Arthurgray50@blu 27-02-2018 21:13

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I hope that prat doesn't run again. It will be nice if Hilary runs again. Can you imagine that and the tables are turned regarding the email scandal ha ha

Mr K 27-02-2018 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938829)
I hope that prat doesn't run again. It will be nice if Hilary runs again. Can you imagine that and the tables are turned regarding the email scandal ha ha

Lol, you're a top bloke Arthur ! I like the cut of your jib :). I can guarantee someone else won't ;)

Arthurgray50@blu 27-02-2018 21:45

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I think l might run for President. If they check my emails. They will have a right laugh ha ha

Mick 27-02-2018 22:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938833)
I think l might run for President. If they check my emails. They will have a right laugh ha ha

One small issue. You’re not rich enough. You also can’t run, you don’t meet the ‘Natural born citizen’ or citizen of the U.S eligibility rule.

1andrew1 27-02-2018 23:41

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Meanwhile, the man most likely to be impeached (Jared Kushhner) has had his security clearance downgraded. Last October, Kushner had to re-file his national security questionnaire with the head of the National Background Investigations Bureau telling Congress he has "never seen that level of mistakes" on any security clearance application.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43216602

OLD BOY 28-02-2018 09:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35938829)
I hope that prat doesn't run again. It will be nice if Hilary runs again. Can you imagine that and the tables are turned regarding the email scandal ha ha

Nice for whom? It was Hilary who lost the election for the Democrats. She is discredited in the eyes of most Americans.

Hugh 28-02-2018 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938868)
Nice for whom? It was Hilary who lost the election for the Democrats. She is discredited in the eyes of most Americans.

Except for the 66 million that voted for her... ;)

papa smurf 28-02-2018 10:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938872)
Except for the 66 million that voted for her... ;)

Will they back the loser a second time?;)

passingbat 28-02-2018 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35938875)
Will they back the loser a second time?;)


Hillary could be in jail by the time of the next Presidential election.

heero_yuy 28-02-2018 10:33

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Quote:

Quote from Hugh:


Except for the 66 million that voted for her... ;)
I wonder how many of those voted "not Trump" rather than "for Hilary"?

OLD BOY 28-02-2018 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938872)
Except for the 66 million that voted for her... ;)

Donald Trump is a very divisive character, distinctly unpresidential when compared with past presidents, and didn't even expect to become president himself.

If Clinton was a good Democratic candidate, Trump would have been a poor second. It is a measure of the sheer amount of dissatisfaction with Clinton that the Republicans got back in with Trump at the helm. It should not have happened.

Mr K 28-02-2018 10:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35938882)
I wonder how many of those voted "not Trump" rather than "for Hilary"?

Well by that reckoning, more voted 'not Trump' (66 million) , than 'for Trump' (63 million)...

OLD BOY 28-02-2018 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35938885)
Well by that reckoning, more voted 'not Trump' (66 million) , than 'for Trump' (63 million)...

Perhaps so, but by rights, she should have achieved a landslide against Trump. Many pundits over this side of the pond failed to register the extent of the disaffection the American public had about Clinton. I admit I also failed to pick up on that, although I found her smug attitude somewhat irritating.

Mick 28-02-2018 10:52

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Oh here we have the irrelevant popular vote count being rehashed. (Again :zzz: )

Trump won more States and Electoral College Votes, which is the thing that decides the presidency and that’s the basis they both entered the race on, regardless if they or you agreed with it or not afterwards.

Damien 28-02-2018 10:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35938890)
Oh here we have the irrelevant popular vote count being rehashed. (Again :zzz: )

Trump won more States and Electoral College Votes, which is the thing that decides the presidency and that’s the basis they both entered the race on, regardless if they or you agreed with it or not afterwards.

No one is saying she won the Presidency, they're saying she got more votes is all.

denphone 28-02-2018 11:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35938882)
I wonder how many of those voted "not Trump" rather than "for Hilary"?

And how many did vote for neither..

---------- Post added at 11:02 ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938883)
Donald Trump is a very divisive character, distinctly unpresidential when compared with past presidents, and didn't even expect to become president himself.

If Clinton was a good Democratic candidate, Trump would have been a poor second. It is a measure of the sheer amount of dissatisfaction with Clinton that the Republicans got back in with Trump at the helm. It should not have happened.

How many times have we heard that saying of "it should have not happened but it did".

Mick 28-02-2018 11:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35938891)
No one is saying she won the Presidency, they're saying she got more votes is all.

No, they are trying to suggest she should have won, on the popular vote.

I’ve said many times, can’t just have California and New York deciding the presidency. That’s why Electoral college votes exist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35938888)
Perhaps so, but by rights, she should have achieved a landslide against Trump. Many pundits over this side of the pond failed to register the extent of the disaffection the American public had about Clinton. I admit I also failed to pick up on that, although I found her smug attitude somewhat irritating.

Could see right through her, that fake open jaw smile she did.

She wanted to be President on the basis that she felt it was her turn, not because she would or could win it on merit. All those celebrities that were on her side, propping her up and she still lost, now it’s all the rigging and Crookedness that’s being discovered by the DNC and her campaign that’s being unearthed.

---------- Post added at 11:22 ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35938892)
How many times have we heard that saying of "it should have not happened but it did".

Too many times.

heero_yuy 28-02-2018 11:43

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Quote:

Quote from CNN:


Washington (CNN)One of the most persistent -- and persistently misguided -- ideas about Donald Trump is that he isn't enjoying being President and won't run for a second term in 2020.
That's never been true. And, on Tuesday, we got some concrete evidence of Trump's plans: He announced that Brad Parscale, who headed up the digital operation for Trump in 2016, would be his campaign manager in 2020.
"He has our family's complete trust and is the perfect person to be at the helm of the campaign," said Eric Trump, one of the President's three sons.

No one should be surprised by any of this. Literally not one person.
Soon after he won the White House, Trump set up a re-election committee so that he could raise money for his 2020 race. And raise money he did. According to Federal Election Commission filings, Trump raked in upwards of $32 million in 2017 for his 2020 race -- banking more than $22 million.
And, when asked, Trump and his surrogates have made very, very clear that he is planning to seek a second term. "Of course, he's running for re-election," White House press secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters last summer.
That'll make Arthur happy. :D

Mr Banana 28-02-2018 12:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35938891)
No one is saying she won the Presidency, they're saying she got more votes is all.

Agree, Mick can you help us out as I cant see anything in the posts suggesting she should have won, all I can see is that someone suggesting she is not discredited in the eyes of the 66 million who voted for her?

Post - Nice for whom? It was Hilary who lost the election for the Democrats. She is discredited in the eyes of most Americans

Response - Except for the 66 million that voted for her...

Hugh 28-02-2018 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938881)
Hillary could be in jail by the time of the next Presidential election.

It's more likely that those in the Trump circle will be in Jail before then - they've spent 10s of millions of dollars trying to prove any criminal activity, and have failed (and the investigations were run by Republicans, so you can't say they favoured her).

Anyhoo, I suppose you could alway pray for her to be jailed, but that would be hypocritical, wouldn't it>

passingbat 28-02-2018 13:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938910)
It's more likely that those in the Trump circle will be in Jail before then - they've spent 10s of millions of dollars trying to prove any criminal activity, and have failed (and the investigations were run by Republicans, so you can't say they favoured her).

Anyhoo, I suppose you could alway pray for her to be jailed, but that would be hypocritical, wouldn't it>


Just be patient, the investigations are on-going.

Mick 28-02-2018 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938910)
It's more likely that those in the Trump circle will be in Jail before then - they've spent 10s of millions of dollars trying to prove any criminal activity, and have failed (and the investigations were run by Republicans, so you can't say they favoured her).

That's not true. Those investigations were not carried out properly by the FBI, why do you think the OIG is investigating 'Improper considerations' being applied to the Hillary Clinton Email investigation?

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-12-02.pdf & that is in addition to this: https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-01-12.pdf

Because it was done by a bloody biased set of Senior FBI Agents, who had it in for Trump and desperately wanted Hillary to win, so it appeared certainly via the text messages, they cleared the path for her and as per the edits in Comey's drafts.

And they have spent the same amount on investigating Trump's circle with the Special Counsel, so far, all they have unearthed is petty crimes, involving fraudulent acts from former associates, acts which bear no relevance to the Russian collusion and a ever increasing dodgy guilty plea by Flynn, who I now understand is trying to revoke that plea because of a probable 'Brady Violation.'

Hugh 28-02-2018 13:54

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It will all come out in the wash.

So the 10 Benghazi investigations weren't carried out properly?

passingbat 28-02-2018 13:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938910)

Anyhoo, I suppose you could alway pray for her to be jailed, but that would be hypocritical, wouldn't it>


You've been reading that Bible of yours haven't you Hugh? Don't worry, I'll keep it a secret
:D

Hugh 28-02-2018 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938926)
You've been reading that Bible of yours haven't you Hugh? Don't worry, I'll keep it a secret
:D

Like so many of your assertions, that statement is not founded on reality. :)

Mick 28-02-2018 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938924)
It will all come out in the wash.

So the 10 Benghazi investigations weren't carried out properly?

Where in my post did I mention Benghazi ?

However, I side with one of the victims mother, who said about Hillary about the killings, 'She's LYING, she is absolutely LYING!'

I am talking about investigations leading up to the Email Investigations in which Classified emails belonging to Hillary Clinton were passed willy nilly, some found on Antony Weiner's laptop, someone who did not have security clearances in possession of classified material, I would say is a federal crime, but also those who were negligent in handling that classified material are also culpable, that's Hillary.

Here is the law regarding the handling of Classified material:-

Quote:

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—

(1) concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or

(2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or

(3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or

(4) obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
A soldier who innocently took photographs of a engine room of a Submarine and shared it with his family, was arrested and charged for breaching the above law. I would certainly say, given classified emails being found on Weiner's laptop, that Hillary Clinton is certainly in breach of it, cannot have laws that exist and only apply them to people selectively.

That's one law that appears to have been violated by Hillary....

Now on to the issues surrounding the Funding of the Dossier, funding by Hillary campaign and the Democratic National Committee, unverified information garnered by Russians, handed to Steele and then handed to the FBI, who then used it as a source in a FISA Warrant. I'd say that's probably illegal. The test here is, how much did Hillary Clinton know of it and President Obama.

Last night, U.S Attorney General Jeff Sessions launched a Department of Justice investigation on FISA Abuses under the Obama Administration, again via the OIG, that poor Michael Horowitz guy has his work cut out by actions under the Obama Administration. Only issue with Horowitz, he does not have prosecutor powers, can only make recommendations. Therefore, a second Special Prosecutor needs to be called upon.

denphone 28-02-2018 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35938926)
You've been reading that Bible of yours haven't you Hugh? Don't worry, I'll keep it a secret
:D

Nothing wrong with reading the bible but its wholly dangerous to try to preach from it...

Damien 28-02-2018 14:44

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At this rate Clinton and Trump might have to share a prison cell! Could be a good sitcom really.

Mick 28-02-2018 14:59

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Talking of the FISA Abuse investigation that Jeff Sessions just announced

Trump just tweeted this:-

Quote:

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Why is A.G. Jeff Sessions asking the Inspector General to investigate potentially massive FISA abuse. Will take forever, has no prosecutorial power and already late with reports on Comey etc. Isn’t the I.G. an Obama guy? Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!
I have to say here, don't tweet to the world about that Mr President, phone him up and tell him personally, he is your Attorney General, a subordinate, you can certainly do that, it's within your power and tell him your views.

passingbat 28-02-2018 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35938928)
Like so many of your assertions, that statement is not founded on reality. :)


Only time will tell on my own assertions. But I know that I am standing on solid rock, regarding my Biblical assertions.

---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:04 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35938937)
Nothing wrong with reading the bible but its wholly dangerous to try to preach from it...


You're gonna have to take that one up with Jesus.

Mark 16:15 New International Version (NIV)
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation

Mick 28-02-2018 16:45

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BREAKING: Paul Manafort appears at a Federal court and pleads not guilty to a five-count revised indictment following Robert Mueller III Special Counsel Investigation in to Russian meddling in the U.S Election, Judge sets Trial date for September 17th. 2018. Source: ABC News.

Looks like Mueller's attempt to get Manafort to crack, backfired or it is simply the case Manafort has nothing to offer him because there was no Russia-Trump collusion.

Damien 28-02-2018 18:05

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Or he didn’t want to cooperate. Don’t really see how it’s backfired. You go to court if you’re indicted. Mueller does this as a job, I don’t think he is surprised the incitement lead to court hearings.

Mr K 28-02-2018 18:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35938937)
Nothing wrong with reading the bible but its wholly dangerous to try to preach from it...

Don't about anyone else but I find the New Testament a bit repetitive and contradictory. I prefer Bravo Two Zero by Andy McNab ;)


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