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Catalonians are pulling down EU flags, who says they want to part of those corrupt imbeciles ?

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https://twitter.com/YesBrexit/status/924558911423893505

"So, now it's official. Stupid people voted for #Brexit. Well, so says Labour MP @BarrySheerman. Pathetic."

Remoaning Labour MP must be a buddy of Mr K and Andrew...etc

I wonder which 'stupid' people voted this numpty to be an MP. :rolleyes:

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Did we really think these people had gone away, changed their views, accepted the process and done away with the nastiness, condescension and name calling? It's the same with migration control being conflated with racism. We're told we can have an adult debate about it but when we try to the same old accusations start flying around from the likes of Lewis and Abbott. Some things never change and the contempt some of these people hold large sections of the public in is one such. They'll say anything when it suits them for some reason but their true feelings and agenda never change.

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He didn't say that according to your clip He said better educated. The two are different things. YouGov conducted a year-long analysis on this matter and their report backs up what he says.

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No it doesn't and no they aren't two different things at all.

Like another MP replied to him in the clip, The 'Better Educated' voted for remain, is a connotation for those who voted leave are thick.

Anyway, I like the following reply to him...

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The full article is worth a read. Ipsos Mori is the UK's second largest market research company.
https://www.ft.com/content/61c12868-...8-73d59db9e399

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There's plenty of less well-educated people I know who are cleverer than those who have gone to university. The two are entirely different things and people shouldn't take offence when none is intended. That's political correctness gone mad!

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Replying to @BarrySheerman @BBCLookNorth

I'm a Brexiteer with [only] two Oxford doctorates!!!!

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I'm sure that person would point out that a 4000-strong cohort is far more statistically significant than a cohort of one.

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I see this thread has degenerated again. Look, it's fact, level of education correlated well with voting remain. Obviously not everyone who voted leave was thick, I'd like to think I'm not, but thick people were more likely to vote leave. This has been the unanimous conclusion of every survey, poll, etc.

This has been shown time and time again.

Remain voters I thought were the out of touch metropolitan elite. This would go along with education level.

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Wanting the EU to implode in chaos is insanity. Far better for the UK and the world that it fixes its many problems. Wanting it to implode is a view held by those thankfully on the fringes of political discourse. It would cause utter chaos and economic and social harm to millions.

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Same reason they were cool on Scotland inheriting UK membership.

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In terms of the EU, I think fringes is putting it mildly, it's a bit more than that.

But once upon a time, I was with you in terms of opinion, up to a certain point. I wanted the EU to reform, fix themselves as you put it and they had a chance to prove themselves, prior to June 23rd 2016 and they point blank refused, so now, yes, I no longer care about the EU and what leaving it will entail.

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The last thing I want is the EU to implode which is precisely why I've been consistent in wanting them to compromise on their vision of the future. I still do because it could still be a great thing.

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It is true that many Brexiters seem to positively joyful about the thought of the EU failing. See the salivating posts in our very own ' the Eurozone will collapse thread'. Don't think it will btw, it's doing quite well compared to the UK. If it did collapse it would be disaster for the UK whether we are inside or outside of the EU. They'll still be our main trading partner.

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A person's level of education is not necessarily a good indicator of how intelligent they are. I work in a Uni and I deal with people with all kinds of qualifications, from students who have just left school with GCSEs and A levels up to doctors (not medical) and professors.

I've known people at all levels who it could be argued are stupid, and people at all levels who could be considered extremely intelligent. That said, the people who get to professor level tend to focus on their subject of expertise so tightly that everything else becomes irrelevant, which is often why they appear stupid in other areas. I've also known a few people who got a good education because they went to a good school, but are till stupid.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604
Is this still Project Fear, or now Project Reality ?

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Project Fake News. Just like it was when there was going to be a recession, There was going to be a war, just after the referendum vote. :rolleyes:

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Neither, it's Project We Don't Really Have A Clue But This Is What We Think Could Happen If The EU Does This Or That.

The reality is no-one knows, no-one will know until after we have left.

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I have been away from the forum over the last week on holiday but have followed the news about an MP wanting lists of educators teaching about Brexit and the frankly disturbing rhetoric from the Mail about universities. It is an interesting point about the correlation between level of education and how people voted in the referendum and why this might be.

Certainly as I went through my education many moons ago, there was a definite trend from memorising to reasoning. At 'O'/GCSE level, a regurgitation of facts was enough to get by. By the time I got to degree level we had to assess facts and propose our theories on what these facts meant. At postgraduate level, I was desigining my own experiments to test hypotheses. I think the education system teaches people not just how to learn but also how to reason and there is an evolution from learning to reasoning as you go further. Of course, it isn't 100% learning at GCSE and 100% reasoning at degree level and the newer style of education at GCSE level is excellent at reviewing evidence for example (I feel that Micheal Gove trying to wind this back when he was education minister was a retrograde step)

There were comments about the difference between intelligence and education and this is right - you can have highly intelligent people who are not educated for whatever reason. However, I would suggest that the demands on intelligence become higher as you go through your education so you might have intelligent uneducated people but you are less likely to see unintelligent educated people. Here is a study backing this up - http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm

So why is there a correlation between education levels and voting to remain? I can think of two reasons;

• Further and higher education gives a student the tools to assess evidence, think critically and independently produce hypotheses
• Further and higher education establishments are hotbeds of trotskyites hell bent on destroying western civilisation

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I think it's simply that people who've got University educations are more likely to work in the service, white-collar, professions which have done well out of globalisation and the EU.

Those who left school, went right to work, and learnt their trade in something like manufacturing have been impacted negatively from globalisation. Manufacturing has declined, service sectors have increased. In some areas immigration is also perceived to have undercut the local workforce whereas this isn't the case for service workers

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You do realise Brexit has not actually happened yet? No one said the vote would cause a recession. They said that Brexit may well cause a recession.

It may do, it may not. However, in the absence of any hard information on what is going to happen, I would argue it is prudent to expect the worst, but hope to get the best. Certainly better than expecting the best, then finding out that is not going to happen whatever you do.

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No Stuart that is just not accurate. It was said by a few on the Remain side that if leave won, there would be a recession and job losses, right after the vote.

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Osborne told us there'd need to be an emergency budget if we voted to leave - not when we left. Clearly he wasn't suggesting there'd be a boom.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-to-leave-eu

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https://fullfact.org/bbcqt/2017/Oct/27

What Mark Carney actually said was Mr Rees-Mogg was selective/misleading with his quotation...

"could possibly include" is completely different from "would be"

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You're on fire at the moment with your fact-checking, Hugh! Keep up the good work!

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I agree that globalisation and its effects have impacted our manufacturing base negatively but will Brexit reverse globalisation for the UK? Considering the UK government vetoed EU anti dumping tariffs for chinese steel and has hired china and france to invest and build our new nuclear power stations, I would suggest that there is no interest in minimising the effects by the government.

If we went super protectionist with high import tariffs, that would help hold up UK manufacturing as home made goods would be cheaper but at the cost of exports as any high tariffs would most likely be reciprocal under any trade agreement.

On the immigration front, I was surprised to find the amount of wage suppression was quite small (0.6% for the lowest 5% of wage earners, most other groups do better - source - http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...f-immigration/) Considering this is the case, why is there a perception of much greater effects? Is it the media, politicians or something else?

As an aside, this whole discussion about Brexit has taught me a lot about economics, trade and politics, it's been fascinating!

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Agreed.
Yet, still the Government feels that we shouldn't be told the facts and is witholding the impact studies on industries from us. I'd rather have these facts than exaggereated studies from Brextremists and lobbysits alike.

Key details of Brexit impact reports on 58 industries to stay secret

The Standard today made a great case as to why this information should be released to the public.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3672481.html

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While on the subject of actual facts, have we seen this - https://visual.ons.gov.uk/the-uk-con...the-eu-budget/

It certainly puts paid to the lie about £350m per week...

How are we all planning to spend our 39p per day?

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This doesn't sound good. :(
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...gal-minefield/

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https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41838426

Those pesky EU health workers have got the message that we don't want them any longer , and we're happy for the health service to collapse. Even if the £350million lie was true, it would be no use with no staff.

Still lets get rid of bursaries so those nurses we do have have to take out loans, in order to train to look after us. What, no takers ?

NHS & Britain RIP.

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Link doesn't work Mr K.

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It should be obvious, Mr K, whose constant theme is of recurring negativity, ad hoc in nature, backed up by biased BBC, to blame Brexit on NHS problems that in actual fact, have long existed before the leave result.

I banged my elbow while passing down a corridor at work yesterday, caught it on a hand rail. I had two choices to blame either Brexit or President Trump. :rolleyes:

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It would seem to be there might be strong reason to suspect a drop in EU nurses coming to the UK, and other EU nurses leaving the UK, with Brexit.

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Other things you may wish to consider:

English language tests introduced at around the same time as Brexit.

European nursing shortage.

Worldwide nursing shortage.

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... and the value of Sterling right now makes the UK less attractive foreign workers of all sorts. It worked (and will do again) massively the other way around when Sterling was much higher and it's really not rocket science is it. That's what migrant labour does and the EU encourages the movement of workers to where demand and accordingly conditions, takes them.

This is not a big surprise but it will be presented by some as yet another reason to overturn the Brexit referendum decision. They've been doing it constantly since they failed to get their way and they won't stop because they're only interested in the sort of democracy which offers what they want.

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It used to be Thatcher, now it's Trump. I guess we should be thankful that at least something has changed... :D

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An inquiry has started to see if Russia was stirring things up during the Brexit campaign (and the American presidential election):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...inks-lnf7h86t0

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Of course it's all down to the Russians!

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I remember listening to the radio, and they had a financial analyst on. They asked him why the predictions are all so negative, and whether he felt they were accurate. He said the problem was that the government is giving almost no tangible information or stats. This is likely why the predictions are so negative. The government could be giving no info because the results of their own studies are bad, or they could be giving no info because there is none to give. As analysts, if they have no info to go on, they tend to assume the worst. At least that way, they are covered if the worst does happen.

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Secret documents to reveal economic impact of Brexit:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...nomy-p3663529c

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Dang it, I could have blamed them yesterday for banging my elbow, in a corridor at work.

Silly me, but saying that, I may have come unstuck increasing the complexity of blaming something, by adding in a third option. :rolleyes:

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I'd say Mr K has a constant theme of making astute observations, far more persuasive than the predictable personal rebuttals he receives. :rolleyes:

And yes the NHS has long had problems but with dwindling recruitment from Europe it's going to get even worse.

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Two doctors looking after 400 patients ain't right in anybody's mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-41304164

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I won't ask you to forgive me, for not believing what you say.

Far more nothing, given that World Heath Organisation said in 2013, says the shortage of Nurses is a GLOBAL issue not Brexit.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/...e-shortage/en/

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No one's disputing that's there's a global shortage of nurses.

The debate is why there has been a 90% decrease in EU nurses coming to the UK in the 12 months to September 2017.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...s-90-per-cent/

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Absolutely. Shortage or not, the UK is (was) a desirable place to come and work for those with suitable qualifications so we used to be be near the top of the pecking order for those from Europe seeking work.

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It’s called competition. Because there is a world shortage, health authorities across the globe are competing against each other.

Brexit could be one factor, not denying it is not playing a part, but it’s one of many, but for Remainers to use Brexit as the only scapegoat, is a bit of a easy and convenient cop out.

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Yes well that isn't going to change any time soon - it's all very familiar.

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I didn't only blame Brexit Mick. The removal of bursaries is a crazy move in a profession that is desperately in need of recruits. For graduates nurses pay is low, making them take out loans to train, in increasingly stressful over stretched workplaces, plus pathetic stuff like pay for parking. It all makes it less attractive. You'd think there is a deliberate running down of the NHS (cynical me !).

However the nosedive in EU nurses (and other NHS staff) since Brexit isn't a coincidence and could be the final straw. They hold the health service together as home grown recruits just don't exist in nearly enough numbers. We're an ageing population & can't afford to lose these people to more welcoming countries. At the moment we're saying we don't want you; this isn't just government, it's the public that need to change their attitude and value those that come here and run vital public services.

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Lack of foresight and planning is another.

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Another is the English language test introduced around the same time as Brexit but Mr K conveniently forgets that or doesn't think it's a factor.

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I wouldn't think that would be much of a problem for qualified Europeans applying for a job here. Many of them have better english language skills than the native population.

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The NMC appear to disagree with you. From the article Mr L linked to. He does tend to omit details that don't fit his agenda.

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It's the remain-supporting Telegraph that mentioned Brexit. If they could have found another factor, you know they would have done.
Personally, I do agree that the English language test will have had some influence but as English is the second language in most of Europe, I can't see it accounting for a 90% drop.
Since Theresa May's speech in Venice, hopefully we will see an uplift in EU nursing staff in the future. The UK is still a welcoming and diverse nation.

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No, it's all down to Brexit and categorically nothing else. In fact if we decide to stay in the EU it'd all be perfect as we can see from the total lack of problems throughout Europe except here... :rolleyes:

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Even the Health Secretary admits that the drop in numbers of nurses may be caused at least in part by Brexit - https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/po...021907.article

As ever, there is no single cause with these things but the appearance of this country not wanting immigrants, the accompanying rise in hate crimes in the last year (link - http://uk.businessinsider.com/hate-c...rendum-2017-10) and the drop in spending power on GBP back home since the referendum can’t help.

As an aside, my thinking is that if this country is short of a certain skill but using immigrants is a political hot potato, we should be training up home grown talent and making training easy by dropping tuition fees for designated courses.

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Look at the state of Europe, Greece is still under German control, Spain is falling apart, we don't have as much say in Europe as we thought we had (proven by Carmeron) Junkers sarcastic comments all the time about the UK.

We are doing the right thing pulling out before it all comes down taking us with it. better we make our own way while we can

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Home grown talent should always be preferred and apprenticeships are making a comeback all but slowly.

The immigration for skills being a hot potato was a fact but within mostly the building industry where employers were giving preference to labour from eastern europe as freedom of movement was a good excuse to get cheap labour.

What people seem to forget was that the whole push by the labour government to get school leavers into University education was not to raise the standard of education in this country but to reduce unemployment figures during their term of office at the time. It made them look good.

They were the party to introduce tuition fees as well in 1998.

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It's easier as well to employ from abroad already trained and can start at the bottom pay scale plus the loans handed out from the government are far less as training doesn't need to be given.

I've also noticed in the NHS that because of an increase in immigration those needing treatment that can't speak much english rather than spend 50k in just over 45 days like leeds teaching hospitals did on translation costs they are employing staff (CSW) on low rates of pay that can speak certain languages cost effective but then you sometimes have a problem with said staff understanding english properly.

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There’s the rub - it takes years to get a doctor or nurse to be trained and qualified so if you want ready made medical staff today, we need to hire them from elsewhere. A 5 year election cycle is frankly too short for long term plans like training medical staff. This crisis in reality started 5-10 years ago, not now. We are just reaping the effects now.

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The workaround to this seems to be introducing a seasonal workers' scheme. The Government should be doing things like this to try and reduce the burden of Brexit but I guess it has other things on its hands.
https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-...3-38a6e068f464

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Quite but sadly this government would have problems organising a piss up in a brewery sadly.

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Maybe we could look to those unemployed then? they are all looking for work and for some 0 hour contracts are ok and for some others it isn't. So perhaps they could pay them the dole money but also give on the job training at say £3.50hr additional income (seasonal workers) recruited from the job centre with the potential some might gain employment or at least further training and if needed a reference?

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Who needs training to pick fruit? I don't blame the unemployed for not wanting to do it. The whole point of migrant workers is that we don't have to do the crap jobs and instead do the next tier up jobs instead, that doesn't apply to the life long shirkers obviously, how much fruit would they pick if we made them anyway

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So basically the old YTS scheme then? If we could replace the immigrant labour in the fields with British unemployed coerced in to it, I would bet good money the productivity would be less. It’s the same argument against national service.

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Before I joined the RAF (and when I went to school in Norfolk), I picked fruit in the summer (potatoes, apples, strawberries) - it was seen as a reasonable (if hard work) temporary job in the summer holidays.

I did it in Norfolk and Lincolnshire.

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When I was 14 years of age, which was several decades ago, I picked and packed fruit every Saturday. Had to be up and at the Markets by 5am and I worked through to 6pm, all for £11 for the day. Part of my role was packing potatoes in to 5 Ib bags, some weeks this is all I did.

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Well I'm not sure how they would cover it. Perhaps they could do it monitored so much work per man hours again this could reflect amounts paid or not paid dependant on the situation.

If someone is not willing to work then stop their benefits. I don't think of it as slave labour I look at it as a means to an opportunity. There is the great unwashed in society that just won't work not everyone it could be if you have been umemployed for 12 months or longer. It's better than sending people on C.V training courses 20 times and do their maths and english tests 20 times it all costs money to do that.

Some people feel worthless while unemployed and can't get a job this will give them some hope and looks good to future employers

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That comment alone just proves my point about people in this country, they think being British is a skill on it's own merit and they all want to be a cheif. it's about time we started turning that around.

Picking fruit might not be a top paid, skilled job earning 20k+ a year but it's a means to an end when there is a large population unemployed looking for work and this a way to do that british pride or not

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Not really suprised by this. From Russia with love?

Arron Banks, bankroller of Brexit, faces investigation over his donations

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Not really surprised at your one sided views as always. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, who funded the leaflet telling us all not to vote leave, I think it was £9 Million ?

Ahh, yes, that would be the government spending Tax payers money, influencing us how to vote. If anything, this should be investigated. :rolleyes:

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Any reason why you prefer the Russian government to fund information on Brexit rather than the British government?

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Mick didn't say he did. No-one has said they did.

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Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.

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Thanks for your comments on the article. Let's see what the investigation unveils. ;)

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Some but most have accepted the result Mick.

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Most have accepted the referendum process and result IMO.

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Sadly since then it has been one complete and utter shambles and if anybody thinks it has not been then they obviously would prefer to close their eyes to the chaotic shambles that has played out thus so far..

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No that comment doesn't prove your point at all because you don't have one, it might sound good but like the bunk couch scratch beneath the surface and it's ridiculous, there isn't a large population unemployed, we have near enough for this debate 100% employment and you want those that have lost their jobs to stop looking for a similar type job so they can be temporarily housed in the country to pick fruit for three quid an hour but it's okay because we'll continue to pick up the housing benefit for the flat they're no longer living in whilst they do it! Then you change your "idea" to long term unemployed only cutting your large population of unemployed considerably but it's okay because the farmers will be only to happy to employ and house this veritable army of shirkers, as I said it might sound good but the reality would be very different, mind you I doubt the government gives a toss if it sounds good so this will probably be in the autumn statement

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Yes, from then on I agree it’s been a shambles, delay after delay. It’s a joke.

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Maybe it's a shambles because it's a daft thing to do ? That's not saying it's wasn't democratic, etc, but that doesn't stop it being a country effectively committing suicide.

Even some of those that are delivering this don't believe in it (e.g the remain voting PM & Chancellor). I suspect those that were for it are beginning to have their doubts (David Davis sounds increasingly like he's trying to convince himself more than anything).

I sense slowly public opinion is changing as the economic reality starts to become apparent.

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No, I don’t agree leaving the EU is a daft thing to do and I don’t agree public opinion is changing, in fact I know more remainers, who would now vote leave, the World is a much better and bigger place to do trade deals with, we can still do trade with the EU, without paying a hefty membership fee, which is a total con. I don’t regret voting leave and would do every time, it is the process of leaving which is a total shambles, because there is remainers at the helm trying to thwart it.

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I'm with Mick, voted leave with no regrets.

The Government now find themselves at a loss as to how to proceed, probably because they're still in their PC sensitive mindset and daren't say or do anything to upset the 'enemy' :D

Can't remember the last time we had a 'strong' leadership that knew how to get things done

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It may seem that way, but we have a date for leaving and the government will stick to it.

If there's a lack of progress, it's because of Brussels intransigence regarding the exorbitant price they want Britain to pay on leaving.

This is, once again, a negotiation. Best to judge it at the end rather than keep distracting the government with problems being put in the way by Clegg, Sturgeon, Clarke and all the other usual suspects.

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The Government isn't at a loss as to how to proceed. It's strategy seems clear enough to me.

It's Barnier & Co who are in the slow lane, with the purpose of causing as much frustration as possible.

I expect things will go a lot faster once it sinks in that GB will definitely leave without a deal if it has to.

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As would be expected in any such negotiation and especially since:

a) they know there's plenty of pressure on May's weakened government from those who can't accept Brexit,
b) they've made it perfectly clear that the UK cannot expect to leave without suffering a penalty and
c) they want to send a message to other member states who might be getting cold feet about the club.

This was perfectly predictable from the outset. They were never going to do anything other than make it as onerous as they possibly could for as long as possible without going so far that they'd do significant damage to the EU. That's why I believe there will be a deal at the end of all of this.

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The result is the result but if anyone funded advertising illegally eg from a foreign power then for the sake of democracy it needs to be investigated and the Electoral Commission is doing exactly this.
Democracy isn't the playground of my team won, yours lost, get over it.

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This fear mongering claim did not age well...

Just in:

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It was breathtaking really and in spite of all the state backed nonsense, incessant pessimism and scare stores we still voted to leave. How dare we eh?...

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One should remember that a large number of FTSE 100 companies operate over the whole world and are not really affected by events in one country.

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Who said that? Rees-Mogg again?

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If that's the case ( correct ) then why did the remainers try to use a supposed catastrophic fall in the case of a Brexit vote? Just another silly scare story.

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To be fair they tried to use everything, even the weather... :D

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And the publics disapproval of the way the Government’s handling of the Brexit negotiations and the confidence that we will get the right deal has also fallen through the floor sadly.

https://www.orb-international.com/20...november-2017/

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Just did Google Search, and the only place that quote comes up in in Daniel Hannan's twitter feed - did anyone actually say it?

https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/st...78446208864257

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Trust Hugh, who always must try and prove someone wrong by googling to see if it is a fact. :dozey:

Selective memory springs to mind, yes they did. Pretty big claim by remainers, pre-referendum.

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Oh, what's this....

A post from Mr K from June 2016, 4 days after the referendum. Predicting all kinds of stuff to happen, that didn't. I like how he says project fear is accurate so far, when, where ?

There was no recession and the stock market is reaching record levels.

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Except Brexit hasn't happened yet and the stock market boom is worldwide. We overestimate our own importance.
Even your favourite tabloid Mick is forecasting a crash, so maybe best to cash in those Trump Organization Inc. shares now ;)
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...l-street-crash
These are volatile times, not helped by Brexit.

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The words selective memory can be applied to both sides of the divide Mick but you know that anyway.;)

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The process of Brexit is causing uncertainty but not brexit itself, I refute that claim totally and I've told you, I don't read or have a favourite tabloid or any shares in Trump businesses, so enough of the silly remarks. :rolleyes:

And It's a bit late in the day to say 'Brexit' has not happened yet. Especially when you said, recession is predicted in 2017. The quote by you, is there for all to see. There was no recession and the pound recovered somewhat.

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Mick old chap, get real, the pound has fallen 12% against the Euro since the Brexit vote.
Don't really see much recovery here...
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=EUR&view=2Y

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A surefire stimulus to the UK economy. Everybody agreed the pound was overvalued. Yet another post adhering firmly to Sturgeon's Law.;)

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Still doing your best to muddy the waters.

I’m on about the U.S Dollar vs £, the £ has recovered somewhat, I care very little about the Euro, given it is a EU created currency. The Euro is a failure as far as I’m concerned and part of the failed EU project.

Go read http://www.nber.org/feldstein/fa121311.html : ‘The Failure of the Euro.’

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No, like Hugh, just doing my best to give you some facts Mick. The fact is the EU is doing very well compared to the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8028891.html

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Misleading more like.

The EU is not doing so well at all, thanks to huge youth unemployment, 43% in Greece, in Spain it is 38% in the U.K. it’s only 11%.

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Here's the two biggest hits to my pocket recently:

1) car insurance £6 a month up
2) virgin media £3.50 a month up

neither are caused by Brexit, maybe we have tunnel vision

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More fake news rumbled by Hugh. Great work, if only everyone could use Google like you.

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It wasn’t fake, the claim was made by remainers, even by one of your buddies, as I quoted. Open your eyes! :dozey::rolleyes: