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He and Trump both criticised Nato but they now both seem happy with it.

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Trump has managed to get some nations to stump up a bit more dosh. Why are Germany paying well below 2%?

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And so they should pay 2%, I agree with Trump on this. Maybe Germany was investing more in renewables to make up for Trump's lack of commitment in this area?

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In yet another demonstration of unity with Dianne Abbott it seems our 'not really a Marxist' Shadow Chancellor doesn't quite know how big the deficit is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-figure-wrong/

I wonder if the source of his mystery papers was the same one that could be clearly heard whilst Ms Abbott was struggling to cope with some very basic questions about the party's pledge to recruit more police a couple of weeks ago. :D

Listen to him squirm here:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/16/w...-deficit-note/

Labour and numbers - they just don't add up.

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Our CF Election Poll has been struck with the Abbot. Trojan virus, the poll numbers just don't add up at all. I'm sure Conservatives were on 42, and not what it's at now. :rofl:

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Labour's plan for 30% corpoaration tax is going to make Ireland's 12.5% look very attractive to big business whereas smaller businesses that have already been hard hit by revalued business rates, cannot re-locate and are struggling are likely to go under.

The current rate here around 20% on many £billions is better than 30% of diddley squat.

It happened under Labour in the 70's with the resulting mass unemployment and rocketing interest rates. Under Corbyn's . Labour it would happen again only much worse. The last few years in France and more severely Venezuela, should be a lesson to all.

Could you afford your mortgage with a 15% interest rate?

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The thing is that he doesn't know because he doesn't really care. As a marxist, he knows that he'll simply tax us all to get more money. People like him don't sweat over the deaths of thousands (or millions ) of people when it comes to furthering their communist agenda. The small details like what the deficit stands at are immaterial to him.

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No the sudden upsurge to 42,000,000 is due to the great British public having just woken up after listening to the recent interviews of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Rayner, Long-Bailey, Dromey et al.

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Yeah but he's not really a Marxist it he... :D

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Doesn't look like Corbyn's planning to reverse all those terrible benefit cuts imposed by the nasty evil Tories that he's spent years moaning about. I wonder why not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...se-axe-freeze/

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◾Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax and the "punitive sanctions regime"

I'd say that's a start at least. It'll be interesting to see what the Tories are going offer those that really need help. Or will they just concentrate on helping the rich at the poor's expense.

Though they are all as bad as each other anyway.

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he doesn't need too he's nationalising hope .:)

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That about sums it up peanut as truth and sincerity are in very short supply sadly with most politicians nowadays.

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... and here's McDonnell explaining how what Labour said would be fully costed manifesto proposals aren't fully costed in the case of water privatisation which would cost many tens of billions.

https://order-order.com/2017/05/16/m...-fully-costed/

Not really a surprise is it. They just can't seem to get a grip on those pesky numbers. :D

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What like it was under John Major?

I read an interesting article on the '70's crisis (cough, to young to remember it) that said LBJ threatened to wreck the UK economy if we didn't join the war in Vietnam, not many years later that happened, not sure if it's true or to what extent there was economic arm twisting or if I'm even remembering the article 100% correctly!!

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Now you know full well that that is not a valid comparison: The sky high interest rate under Major was due to the almost suicidal attempt to stay in the snake, the predecessor of the Euro, and was only temporary. Unlike the economic failure under Calaghan that had us going begging, cap in hand, to the IMF for a bailout worth £8bn in todays money to prevent the country going bankrupt as no one else would loan us anything as "The sick man of Europe" couldn't pay it's debts.

I'll get my tin foil hat out. :D

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You'd have to ask Edwina Currie.

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:tu: Labour's capacity to mismanage the economy is legendary and it's always been others who've had to pick up the pieces and do the dirty work to get things back on track. It wasn't the Tories who let the banking sector run riot, it was a certain G. Brown.

Even now we're having to pay £billions in interest every year on the massive debts accrued on their watch and if Brown had won in 2010, they'd have faced the very same problem rather than the coalition, then and the Tories now.

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And yet public sector debt is much bigger now than under labour and still rising, even after 7 years of austerity. Maybe the medicine isn't working.

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An interesting chart.
The trouble is that the UK doesn't want to pay the taxes necessary to pay down the debt and cover the spending levels we need given increased demands on the NHS and other areas. We'd rather discuss inefficiencies in Government spending whilst letting future generations pick up the tab.

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Another Labour cheerleader who doesn't appear to understand the difference, and the relationship between, deficit and debt. :rolleyes:

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a student of the Diane Abbott school of economics :)

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Mr K, take heed, this is Education education education. :rofl:

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I understand this Govt. has totally failed to generate any significant growth, although they are very good at cutting, I'll give them that.

p.s. I've never voted Labour.

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At least Major had slightly better taste than Corbyn! :D

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A senior lecturer more like. :D

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how eggsactly:naughty: did you come to that conclusion

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Just listening to the Daily Politics and Barry Gardiner (Shadow Secretary of State for International Trade) being forced to accept that by the end of the decade Labour would be borrowing twice as much as the current figure.
I wonder when Abbott will pop up claiming that doubling borrowing in this way won't increase the national debt... :D

He's also having great difficulty explaining how Labour are going to 'nationalise' the National Grid. They might do it this way, they might do it that way, not sure how much it'll cost or where the money will come from blah, blah, blah... :rofl:

He eventually admitted that some of the costs of Labour's 're-nationalisation' would come from the money we're told is going to be spent on all that supposedly new infrastructure they've promised (£25bn pa) but couldn't say how much... :rolleyes:

Labour do keep banging on about the all those obscene dividends being paid to shareholders by the likes of National Grid yet never seem to want to admit that a significant proportion of those very dividends head straight into the pension funds which so many ordinary people rely on to supplement their meagre state provision. I dare say there's a great many Labour supporters who're chomping at the bit for action to be taken on dividends yet don't realise their own pensions will suffer accordingly, just as they did when Brown raided the pension funds and took £millions away from ordinary people.

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Liberal Democrats Manifesto is out, and it's there in black and white. 2nd Referendum on EU membership. Bog off you remoaning fool, Tim nice but dim.

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Diane Abbott. Struggles with sums and it seems now today, she has directional issues.... :rofl:

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:rofl: :D

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Blimey it's like something out of a Morecambe and Wise sketch.

:D

I must say that at first I thought she'd just walked off the stage before giving her speech. : )

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I'd have been rather amazed if Labour had got re-elected in 2010 and achieved growth by 2017!

The efforts of the Conservatives have been concentrating on getting the deficit down so that they can then start tackling the debt left by Labour. They eased up on austerity given how it was hurting, and that's why they didn't achieve their original target of abolishing the deficit by now. I trust you are not criticising them for easing up on austerity...

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And that's because the deficit is not yet paid off. You can't have it both ways. Either it's tougher austerity to pay off the deficit or it's lay off the austerity a bit and slow down deficit repayment. Unfortunately, the latter does mean the debt continues to rise.

I'm not sure that Diane Abbott and her friends understand this link, but then they probably haven't figured out that the debt and the deficit are two different things.

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Which one of these posts is most appropriate for a reply about hard ecu's, I'm going to say Chris'

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Looks like the Tories are going to remove the universal entitlement to fuel allowance and include the value of your house in deciding if you should pay towards your social care in old age but the overall amount at which you start paying goes from 23k in assets to 100k (realistically anyone owning a home will have to pay). The cap on the overall amount you spend is being raised too.

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Triple-lock is gone too.

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People won't have to sell their homes. Schemes will exist where the equity is sold off to be recovered when the person dies.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...n-fund-social/
At last pensioners are going to start paying their fair share, and join in the misery with the rest of us. Well done Theresa!

The Torygraph and it's readers don't seem happy though. Austerity is meant for everyone else not them ! Don't think TM cares, doesn't need them any longer now she's got the swivel eyed loon UKippers on board.

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How many OAPs voted UKIP originally I wonder?

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I think this is good policy to be fair, even if it's politically difficult. The triple-lock was very expensive and the idea of paying for social care out of the estate upon death is a lot more progressive without having to harm people during their lives. We need to pay for social care somehow and since we're already running a deficit the only real way to spend extra money is to raise extra money.

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what house sold it for a quid to my eldest
what bank account bought a house for my youngest
mind you i paid into the system all my life and took nothing from it

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HMRC can investigate anyone whose deemed to have tried to shift their assets ahead of death/court cases/etc to avoid paying tax or penalties. I think any 'gifts' from parent to child made 5 to 10 years before the parents death can be deemed liable to tax. I imagine they can do the same here. The details of course would need to be worked out. There will now be an army of lawyers looking for such loopholes.

As for paying into the system, well a lot of us do. We still run deficits and taxation isn't a savings account. Education is expensive, healthcare is expensive, social care is expensive and pensions are very expensive. If we had a system whereby your contributions during your lifetime were the basis for your pension and social care needs in old age then a lot of people who 'paid into the systems all their lives' would be getting less, not more.

This is a fair policy in my views. It doesn't mean old people will lose their homes but it's a solution to the crisis in social care. We need to pay for social care somehow and it seems fair to me that recipients who can afford it contribute to some of the cost from their existing assets after their death.

Where else would the money came from?

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Waits for the usual cut the foreign aid budget :rolleyes:

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Usually everyone thinks the benefits others get should be cut but the entitlements they get are deserved.

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taxing the dead eh
i'll see the taxman in hell then ,bring a cold drink ;)

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Well technically they would have sold off equity in their home before their death so the transaction occurred while they were alive.

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Not that many.

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There's a huge problem coming up because at the moment the bank of mum and dad is increasingly helping their adult offspring to get on the housing ladder and I doubt very much that this current generation of beneficiaries will be in the same position when it's their turn. If that's the case we're going to increasingly find that the number of older people with assets is to pay for all the social care they need is going to reduce. That'll mean everyone will have to make up the difference via taxation.

I think we all need to accept that social care has to be paid for and is creating massive extra costs for and pressures on the NHS which it can well do without so any investment in it will be money well spent IMHO. I see no reason why this shouldn't be paid for out of extra income tax or indeed out of something a tad more imaginative like a lottery which I'm sure a lot of people would find a very worthy cause indeed, even if they choose not to support the current lottery.

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Yes I think that would be a better solution anyway. Put up NI with this is mind. Still at least it's a start towards a solution.

It's also the least suitable to loopholes.

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What ought to be outlawed is the system whereby basic privately funded social care is often charged for at a higher rate as that funded by the state. It seems terribly unfair that some people are having to pay much more for identical care.

Of course if people want to fund better care, higher quality accommodation etc that's up to them, but the basic level ought to cost the same for everyone no matter who's paying the bill.

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Bloody hell, are you feeling alright today? like Theresa clobbering pensioners, you're almost talking sense. The young generation are being given a very bad deal ; being asked to support rich pensioners benefits, none of which they'll get themselves, if they ever can retire.

No need to vote Labour, TM herself is the opposition to the Tory party. The comments from irate pensioners in the Fail and Torygraph are very amusing.

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The HMRC are coming for you Smurf ;)

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Abortion, gay rights and how the Lib Dem leader I once respected sold his soul, writes QUENTIN LETTS, who watched the manifetso launch through a cloud of smoke


this makes an interesting read about tim farron and his disappearing principles

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If the Lib-Dems thought Farron was the antidote to Clegg they're going to be proved wrong I feel. IN his defence I feel he's a lot more more sincere than his predecessor.

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Clegg was still well liked by his party when he stepped down. The alternatives were poor. Farron has been poor and I am surprised how unready they were to deal with the questions about his faith. They were there during the leadership campaign so how surprised can they be that it's come up in the General Election? You can bet The Guardian have more stuff ready to roll out as well.

In some ways Farron's positions are still liberal, he has differentiated between his personal religion views and his politics. So he is against abortion from a moral view but thinks it should be legal. But how he was allowed himself to get into this situation is absurd. May is also religious but doesn't seem to have this problem.

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Only 4 candidates standing in Stevenage. Conservative, Labour, Liberals and Greens. No idea who to vote for, the incumbent candidate voted to Leave the EU so might well go for him. However, none of the parties really excite me. Which would be worse, not voting or voting for the Green party?

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Not voting IMO.

But do what you want. Stevenage looks to be safe for the Tories with a 9 point lead in 2015 over Labour who were the 2nd cloest. So Greens/Liberals no chance, Labour the longest of long shots.

You can vote for the party you like best, vote tactically between Tory/Labour or not vote. I would do the former given the margin of the Tory led.

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I'm guessing the fact he was FOR leaving EU, that's why UKIP aren't standing. If they had been, I would have voted for them. Now, I need to consider who I vote for. Don't know much about the Greens to be honest, I do have a manager at work who stood in the local elections for them so might ask him about their policies before I vote. Mine is a postal vote again.

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Greens are pro-EU if that's any help.

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Oh are they? Thanks Damien, helps me decide I will probably just vote for the Tory.

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OK having had chance to think about the proposed changes in social care rules I see a big problem for those people who're live in carers for their parent(s) at home but are now going to face the prospect (if extra care in the home is needed) of finding the house they've lived in and previously would have inherited could well have to be sold after their parents die. It may not be many people in this situation but I do think if we're going to expect family members to sacrifice their lives to care for their parents, we can't then penalise them additionally for so doing. Where are these people supposed to live and on what when their caring role ends? £100k isn't going to go very far for someone who has no job and nowhere to live is it. It seems to me this will just mean that less people will want/be able to care for their parents.

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It's also a bit of a lottery. We don't know how long each of us will live or what conditions we may get when we're older and some of us will get to protect our assets as we remain in good health and others less so. I would prefer we all contribute via a rise in national insurance to pay for social care. It's how we handle other healthcare after all, we all pay but some need it more than others.

Still this is better than nothing and since the Tories will actually be the government it's at least a start in addressing the issue.

The Tories know they'll win so it's good they get to be a bit more realistic but at the same time they apparently have barely costed their manifesto. There is a touch of arrogance there as well (they've also banned Sky News from the campaign for some reason).

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This issue had to be addressed and for Corbyn to claim Labour will take care of it as though it's an NHS issue is disingenuous as they have no such proposals in their manifesto.

I believe in the NHS and feel that care for dementia patients etc. should be treated no differently from care for those with say diabetes or HIV for example. The cost should come out of general taxation and whilst that's not 100% fair, it's as fair as it gets.

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Yeah but for some reason political parties seem scared to announce tax rises. Even Labour, with this leadership, are limiting tax rises to the over £85,000 bands. :rolleyes: I think almost everyone would need to pay more really, maybe excluding the lowest earners.

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Really pleased I did not waste 2 hours of my time watching the ITV leaders debate tonight. (No Jeremy Corbyn, No Theresa May). (Truth be told I didn't actually know there was one until now but I still would not have watched it if I was aware it was on). I can't stand Nicola Sturgeon.

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I think they haven't quite realised that people have wised up to all the false promises of better services etc and lower taxes which we've all heard before. People want want decent services and I think realise they have to be paid for so I feel that those politicians who are up front about the reality of tax* rises won't be quite so harshly judged.


* in whatever form they come.

I could look look back and begrudge the fact that Osem Jnr now has to live with a 5 figure debt for his higher education when I was paid for the privilege (albeit not very much) but I accept that these things have a value and there's no better way of devaluing anything than making it free...

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You read all the things about money. education and the NHS. and you see that Theresa has thrown in bringing back fox hunting by way of a vote. and you think WTF?

Just goes to show what these people are all about.

it's a bit like her throwing in having their shoes cleaned by little homeless kids by way of a vote.

never liked the old fool with the wonky walk.

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There are a number of Tory MPs that are still campaigning for the return of fox hunting and she's dealt with it with the pledge to hold a vote on it an easy way to placate a few moaners with no chance of the vote bringing it back. I think the costing of the manifesto is something that needs a bit more detail and I'm hoping we get more on that soon. I think the issue with sky news is more about the murdoch press in general as May is not a huge fan of rupert murdoch but time will tell.

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You are obviously a man of impeccable taste. :D

Can't see the point of a "debate" when the two leading players are absent. I didn't watch it but from what I've heard it was a load of lefty hot air and nonsense from a bunch of no hopers.

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i watched the green'y intro speech but had to turn it over when the welsh idiot [ plaid cymru] started bad mouthing all and sundry .

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Ah, the Losers Debate. Didn't bother with it. Apparently didn't miss much. :D

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Which debate?

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Oh she was horrible.
such a stereotypical act of the Welsh she did there. makes it look like the Welsh just whine and moan about everybody else with a grumpy straight face all the time.

I'm sure they don't.
they just sound like they do.

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Sheep: the welsh bang 'em, the english eat 'em :sick:
Natalie (Leanne) Wood is no more representative of the welsh than hobo Corbyn is representative of the english.

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How do they sound like they do?

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lol. Paul Nuttall is to people's names what Diane Abbott is to arithmetic.

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Both as bad as each other but alas you can say that about most of the party leaders as they really are a poor lot IMO.:td:

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Dunno , I like the Green bint, she's good on feminist issues ;)

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

priceless:)

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It's totally wrong for people to be sitting on assets of £100,000's of pounds, have the taxpayer pay for their care and give all that money to their heirs.

I think Mays proposal is reasonable, you still get £100,000 to give away if you have it. which is way more that I got from my deceased parents.

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Likewise, it didn't get more pointless, in fact pointless would have been a much better watch.

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I cannot stand Jamie Oliver, but I do agree with him that this is a very bad change ;

(Removing free school dinners)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39969155

For many kids, this is the only hot dinner they will get.
They dont want a Breakfast, they want a good hot dinner.

Why not use the incredibly dumb sugar tax to help fund it.

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l absolutely agree as remember when our parents were really struggling when myself and my siblings were young and having a hot school dinner was a godsend for us.

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I vaguely remember free school milk in third pint bottles. It was always warm/sour as it had been hanging about for hours. Some spotty kid would always puke it up through their nose ! Didn't miss it when the Govt. took our milk away ...
(Thatcher the 'Milk Snatcher', I remember now, the one thing I'm grateful to her for..)

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Speaking as an educator children learn better when they aren't combating hunger.How about MPs and the House of Lords give up their subsidised food and alcohol paid for by the taxpayer?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ment-bars.html

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Can't see the politicians with their noses in the trough doing that.

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Ah yes but they work hard ;)

Let face it there aren't many cases of Rickets these days. It's the opposite problem of stopping kids eating or to physically do anything ! Getting rid of these meals is going to make them eat more crap.

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... and here's Corbyn proving that he hasn't got a clue:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/j...#disqus_thread

What on Earth is he on about? :nutter:

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He obviously has the same arithmetic ability as Diane Abbot. As I said before, these people aren't fit to run a seafront whelk stall let alone govern.

Seriously, old age care has to be paid for and safeguarding the last 100K of an estate for the heirs and using the rest of it isn't a bad way of doing it especially as the estate is not realised until after death. Meaning an ageing relative can still live in their home if appropriate until the end.

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They were born like it.

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I disagree. I have been and am working bloody hard for my assets and money. I've speculated (at personal risk) to accumilate. It's taking blood, sweat and tears (literally). I'm being taxed (a lot) on my income before I can accumulate my assets and money and then I am taxed again on my capital gains when I want to sell some assets to realise some profit from them. How is it right to then strip me of more of my wealth if/when I need care in later life? .......especially when someone else who hasn't bothered has that care simply handed to them?!

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That would be a drop in the ocean but I agree.

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How else are we going to pay for it? As I said earlier. I would prefer an increase to National Insurance or some sort of compulsory insurance scheme to pool the risk but this is a start.

It's the same argument as student loans really. Those who afford it should pay more alternatively we all pay more via tax.

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Well since we're talking inheritance here it'll be the children/grandchildren of those who wind up paying who will suffer - they'll get less help from their parents which will in turn mean they have less assets for HMG to take.

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It will be the younger generation who'll suffer either way. The alternative to this plan would have been to raise tax/NI on people in work to pay for the shortfall of those who've retired, just after those who've retired were recipients of a triple-lock pension during a time of austerity for everyone else.

Now I still prefer that. I think there is a better argument for increasing spending on social care than there was for the triple-lock but you can see why that approach might have been seen as a unfair path to take.

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Yes, except for the fact that some will suffer disproportionately through no fault of their own whereas the burden could have been spread. I feel the tax option would be a much fairer way of achieving the same end, relatively painlessly.

It's measures such as this which will put off people from saving and lead to those with money/assets to spend it.

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Well yes. I much prefer the idea that we share it out in the same way we do the NHS.

It's not great that the lottery of dementia will dictate how much of your wealth the government will take.

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I can only speak for the school I was at but yes, it was a 1/3rd pint bottle and was delivered at 10am directly by the MMB. It may have been warm but was not sour. It had only been delivered by the cow at about 6.00am.

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We agree on this point.

I don't have an answer for that though.

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But wouldn't children entitled to a fee school dinner get one?

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Well the older I get the more I'll be inclined to spend so they'll get less out of me in the end. ;)

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I would agree if everyone had the same start in life. Unfortunately this is not the case, if it were so poverty would not exist.

There are those like you and myself that have the intelligence and drive to be able to better ourselves but that does not automatically mean that everyone else has it.

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Tories say pensioners in Scotland should escape PM's curbs to winter fuel payments because it's COLDER than England and Wales

Theresa May yesterday unveiled plans to introduce means testing for the benefit - which is worth up to £300 a year - meaning millions could lose out.
But Scottish Secretary David Mundell said that the cuts will not be rolled out in Scotland because of 'climatic issues'.
And Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson said she had decided to keep the universal benefit.





now i feel like a victim because i'm English [i thought we where all British ]

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I don't know but it's not right to tax me, at a higher rate than others, at source, tax me when I buy something, tax me when I sell it and then take away what's left to pay for care at the end but simply hand money out to those who havent strived all through their lives. That's not a 'fairer society'
( I'm not including the disabled or likewise disadvantaged in that whom I am all for helping)

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Indeed, but why should I and my descendants be penalised because of that? :confused:
.....and if we are to be penalised, where is our incentive to work hard all through our lives.....if it'll simply be taken away from us in the end anyway? :shrug:

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From my local Council website

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pa...hoolMeals.aspx

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MI5 had their eye on Jeremy Corbyn amid concerns of potential IRA links, during the height of the IRA era.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rns-ira-links/

Re: June 8th General Election
 

A vote for Theresa May is a vote to bring Margaret Thatcher back in the form of Theresa.

She's seeking approval from you to relive the Thatcher years.

school meals - school milk.
little snotty nosed kids.

the rich getting richer on the backs of the poor.
big fat snotty nosed fatcats.

do you really want that?

Re: June 8th General Election
 

I don't want a terrorist sympathiser for PM that's for sure would get this with Corbyn, but it's not just this that bothers me, it's a package of no hopers that follow him, like his racist, White hating former lover, Abbott who thinks cops earn £30 per year, no sorry make that £8,000, oops sorry wrong again...ah sod it. :rolleyes: