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I haven't got it yet - Crawley

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I had read that the BBC isnt keen on this stuff as its platform neutral? I have no idea if thats true though. plus in this case it actually would help sky people and others as it would free up so many of the slots. I notice iplayer even had a splash screen today telling me about following the world cup in UHD, this is going to end very badly if its truly tens of thousands for us all...

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I just checked my v6, neither the blue button feature or iPlayer uhd is working yet.

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Same here - probably a phased roll-out.

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Phew, least it's not just mine lol

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If we all promise not to tell anyone it will only be us on here who know about it LOL

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As well as requiring the new V6 software (20.7.6.RC20 here in Oxford) your tv seems to be a certain spec too.

It seems ome who can not do HLG via HDMI are reporting that TiVo is not showing the tests, although you can prove from here that all firmware on TiVo and tv are correct.

I don't know how long the blue button took to work here and I always key the HD numbers in direct anyway.

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The 'TBC' for the V6 on the BBC list has now been removed - so looks like full confirmation of support.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/latest-news/live-uhd

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The list has also been updated from last week. There was something funny about the LG tvs listed, but sorted now.

If my v6 doesn't update in time, I'll just use the iPlayer app via the tv. Be nice to get the update though of course

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Checked the iPlayer on the V6 last night and I have the UHD test loop from the FA Cup

:)

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4K games consoles like the Xbox One X are not compatible for the UHD world cup trial the Roku + stick is also not part of it

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Have to agree, there are going to be a lot of unhappy customers! They have had years to sort this out so they shouldn't be trailing it a week before the World Cup starts.

Typical of BBCs lack of interest in sports (with exception of Wimbledon)

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If that was their policy they would be advancing at the speed of the slowest. As long as the facility is made available to all platforms on request, I don't see that as a problem.

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That's a bit harsh, Raider. This is not easy and they have been working on it for some years with the objective of getting it right first time. I think we should just be grateful that UHD is finally available and look forward to having many more programmes in UHD in the near future.

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OB, not harsh at all - I appreciate you don't care about sport, but a lot of people do.

If the number able to watch in UHD is severely limited as suggested there are definitely going to be a lot of angry people.

Any idea what's going on with the French open in 4k ? Red button just loads the Eurosport app ?

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My software version is RC4-VMB-11-C68
I guess that means no update for me yet?

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How many games are ITV providing in UHD? The BBC are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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Even if 4k is available on BBC it is going to be restricted to first come first serve basis, I believe the tens of thousands.

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Think I might reserve a slot even though I haven't got a UHD TV. It's the principle , we all pay the same licence fee ! :p:

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Yes, but if UHD was not now being shown, we wouldn't be having this debate. This is only a trial at the moment, and we have had no UHD dramas yet.

I certainly don't begrudge sports fans getting this first, though.

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Can anyone explain why I get the HLG demo through the V6 iplayer. But not through the iplayer built into the tv itself, it doesn't show up. Right now I can't think why, as everything is obviously up to spec.

It doesn't matter all that much I'll obviously use the V6, just wondering though.

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It depends what tv you have. Are you sure it is HLG compatible?

For me it is the other way round as I don't have the latest v6 software update yet.

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Im confused! I have the blue button to hd channel update and im on 20.7.6.rc20 software version but i cant see any 4k trial in bbci beta???????

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Thought I would just post my experience with the world cup trial on I player.
If you have a Samsung tv 2017 onwards then select uhd colour in Samsung external device settings to on.
The v6 then should play the football test loop in iPlayer beta.
Hope this helps someone as mine was set to off!

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Update: I have a wildlife stream with a jaguar but no football

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When I first saw that, I couldn't believe the quality, it looks amazing.

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Same here, unless I'm missing something!

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there are two UHD streams, one is planet earth and one is football.

yesterday it was animals on the LG inbuilt app and football on the V6.

whereas the LG one previously had the football as well.

so they change it, ive not checked the v6 today, ill see if its switched when i get back in a bit.

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UHD football has been available via sky all last season, yet BBC is still pfaffing about with a trial.

My point is that if say 100,000 want to watch in UHD the majority will be fuming as there is a limit on availability.

I think this is going to cause a lot of problems for BBC, and a lot of furious customers (not that BBC care as they are a monopoly who get our money wether they deserve it or not)

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...but the BBC will include HDR whereas Sky UHD is just that - no HDR.

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At the moment yes..........next season I'm pretty sure HDR will be available.

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hey im not anti the BBC, I quite like it etc etc but I think we can be honest and say this is a bad setup considering the known dates of the world cup.

I would think most would be happy with SDR 4K right now as even that looks great compared to SDR 1080P. if eurosport can do it, there really is zero excuse for the BBC.

although I personally think this is probably the goal, force the BBC to cut down to the bone so private services can dominate...

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It's not the same.

Eurosport 4K was only available on satellite and cable providers, whereas the BBC have to use a method that is technically available to all licence fee payers.

So on the V6, Eurosport 4K was a hidden broadcast channel, not a broadband carried stream that iPlayer is.

So I can understand why the BBC have targeted this as a trial of live HLG, as that probably don't (yet) have the capacity or experience to offer an open access full live 4K stream for the World Cup in any format through iPlayer.

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Yes it's compatible. And I see the HLG trial through the V6, Planet Earth 2. There are three ways I can access the iplayer, via the TV itself, panny uhd player and V6. It's only on the V6 that the HLG trial shows up and it looks great.

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Is it just a case of if a TV isn't on the list that the BBC iPlayer hasn't been updated on the TV because my Sammy ks9000 isn't but I can watch the hlg feed via the V6 iPlayer?

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It looks like the V6 is the key. People are reporting that they can see the trial through their V6 but not if they go through the apps on their TVs.

With the most up to date TVs you can access it on both.

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Just purchased a 4K TV, arriving a week Saturday! :)

It is one of the BBC supported ones, so should work?

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Nice one, just in time for the world cup ;)

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Are the UHD broadcasts limited to the First X thousand or open for anyone?

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It is limited to "tens of thousands" but they have not said how many "tens".

It is good that most of those without the right kit are being blocked - so they can not hold capacity needed for those with the correct kit.

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I saw that if your not on 4k you'll revert to HD. Will you know whether your on HD or 4k?

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Those without the correct kit are NOT seeing the LIVE stream test at all. They just see the Planet Earth demo. Hopefully that will apply to the main live football.

Your TiVo video output should be set to the two 2160p options only - with all other resolutions unticked.

Your tv will tell you if its HLG.

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Will I get this option even if my box hasn't got the .7 update?

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I see the planet earth UHD HLG demo so surely that is the right kit?

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TV shows animals, v6 shows football.

Both are on the list

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Only looked once earlier this morning and I got the planet earth hlg on the V6, I suspect it alternates?

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Yeah I've had both on the lg TV not sure it means anything

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MY HD (not 4k) to connected to a V6 at 1080 shows the Animal Planet demo. The whole point on HLG is that the same stream will work whatever equipment is being used with the HLG part just being ignored by non-compatible kit.

The V6 will only offer the football option when my HLG tv is connected to it.

You have to switch the beta modes to switch the HLG offering on the iPlayer.

You also get a banner every 2-3 days when loading iPlayer announcing the World Cup HLG on compatible kit.

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Oo er, just got from hol and my V6 has updated and enabled iPlayer UHD HDR just in time for the World Cup!

Thanks.

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Indeed, having just the two 2160p options ticked is the only way my TV will recognise the HLG(HDR) and automatically switch to HDR mode when I play the HLG trial.

It's kinda annoying because I don't want the V6 scaling everything to 2160p, the picture on HD and SD looks a tad better when I have 1080i and the 2 passthrough settings ticked. Why can't these boxes just send every sodding thing through as is, surely it's not that difficult.

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With my new HDMI UHD HDR specced cable, HD looks surprisingly miles better scaled to UHD, compared to the older cable.

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My v6 has now had the update. It picks up HDR HLG in just 2160p mode ok.
The demo that i have is the football one.

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Agreed - I find the TiVo menus look quite bad quality when upscaled by TiVo itself.

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really? I found that the v6 did a pretty good job of upscaling everything?

I suppose it varies massively between sets though and cables and other fun variables.

to the extent that I let the v6 just output everything in 2160p as it did a much better job at deinterlacing than the old samsung which would add in frame stutter :mad:

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but if you tv isn't as good at the upscaling compared to TiVo - then TiVo would look better

Samsungs really do like to stutter

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I've just tried it on my Panasonic which is a 4K UHD TV, its also set to show HDR HLG, but all I'm getting is the planet earth demo, does that mean my V6 box hasn't been updated as yet?

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I get the planet Earth too on my V6 it is in 4K and the picture has HLG on it, so if you can see all that i think you're ok...... but it should be obvious if it is 4K?

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Yes the pq looks very good indeed, I'd like to see the football one too though

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Go to BBC 1 (101) on the mini guide do you get a message at the top of it to press the blue button for the HD channel?

If yes you have the update

If not you haven't got it yet

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In iPlayer settings switch to iPlayer beta.

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Thx guys appreciate the help.

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I only see the planet one on the beta, which has left me confused, unless it is because my TV isn't listed as HLG, but then why do i see the planet HLG unless it is only in 4K, i have no way of knowing.

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Ok, I've defo got the update, did what Gavin said, also switched to the iplayer in beta setting as suggested by Khenryashley, which allowed me to see the football, but to be honest I didn't see a huge difference from when I normally watch the football in HD, also the feed was stuttering and re-starting, and didn't have and sound at the start, but within a few seconds the sound came through, not all that impressed if I'm being honest.

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Yes, as long as you have a big enough screen.

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Teething problems, I’d guess, Max. We had problems at first when we converted from analogue to digital, and again when we first got HD. All is fine these days, though.

As far as PQ is concerned, we do see a noticeable increase in quality with our 49” screen. Smaller screens may result in a less perceptible difference.

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Planet Earth demo streams on all kit - even on non-4K tvs.

If you don't have HLG then you'll still see it in non-HDR. The whole point of HLG is the same stream will work for non-HDR users.

But I understand the football requires HLG to be active on the tv before you are offered it.

I don't think they want to block out true HLG users on their limited capacity by allowing non-HLG users to stream too.

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My screen is 50", OB...

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Indeed, Max, and you commented on the good quality of your picture.

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So in order to get the BBC 4k World Cup, does by box need to have the latest 12.7 update?

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Yes.

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But i only have 12.5!

Apparently they are pushing the update out to 4k connected boxes. Hope they do this before the WC starts!

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Got to agree. The football was not as impressive as planet earth.
What we don’t know is what format they were filmed in.
Have both been filmed in 4K or upscaled from HD.

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If you are watching England games i can guarantee the football will be very unimpressive ;) You'll be able to see every England tear in UHD though, so that will be good. Wonder if the rioting outside the stadiums will also be covered in UHD ?!

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a green field with men running about or slow mo animals in a vivid and varied beautiful landscape!

when the CL final was on, switching between the two versions showed up the difference.

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If i plug my V6 box into HDMI 1 I get the Planet Earth demo if I plug it into HDMI 2 I get the football rolling demo.

So am I right in thinking that it should be in HDMI 2 to get the World Cup?

I will try both when it starts streaming.

It’s a Sony XE9005 TV

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According to Sony, all the HDMI ports should do it - as long as you've activated Enhanced format:
https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/s...icles/00167580

EDIT: Sony's content is confusing - for 4K 60fps (which is what the iPlayer content is), then yes it's HDMI 2 or 3:
https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/s...icles/00167110

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Yeah enhanced needs to be set.

Get this, last night the V6 actually locked in on HLG and switched my TV into HDR(HLG)mode, with just the 1080i ticked and passthrough options ticked.

But.. my TV said it was 1080i and not 2160p. lol So that's TV into HDR mode for the trial but TV says it was 1080i. How weird. Half way there then, still only having just 2160p and 2160p passthrough ticked gets you all the way there.

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It maybe 1 minute behind broadcast ! Can they call that 'live'? If next door is on Freeview, you may get plenty of notice on goals!

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Cable is behind Freeview anyway.

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Meaning it could be longer than a minute behind freeview (cable delay + uhd streaming delay).

It could be a couple of penalties behind in a shoot out - you could check whether next door are crying or singing before continuing to watch !? ;)

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This is iPlayer being behind, not either Cable or Freeview. Will be the same delay no matter who your normal TV provider is or which device you're accessing the iPlayer UHD trial on.

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So if you want the football as live as can be being there is best(!), closely followed by the radio and freeview. There has always been a delay with cable, particularly noticeable on Sky Sports if you're trying to sync radio commentary which is way ahead ! And this is before the UHD streaming delay is added in.

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Aren't the streams on BBC iPlayer always about a minute behind? I don't think this is a UHD specific issue.

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There isn't a cable+UHD delay.

There is an iPlayer delay from the UHD live feed the BBC are taking the football from.

So whether you're watching iPlayer UHD on the V6, or via your built in iPlayer app when you're using Freeview on your TV, you'll get the same delay.

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Was talking about normal Freeview Ben, not UHD stream. The price for UHD is for the game not to be 'live'.

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Heres a good thought if i dont get a UHD slot for the football World Cup can i claim a Tv licence fee refund as i will only watch the World Cup games and i dont watch anything else on the BBC using my Licence, i pay my Licence and demand i use my License fee to get a slot, thats my rant for the day lol

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Your licence fee covers access to BBC content, it doesn't specify the format.

The World Cup will also be in HD on iPlayer. The UHD streams are additional to the standard coverage.

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I see Sky are going to show Cricket in 4k, wonder if/when Virgin will be able to offer this..........

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Sky have been showing Cricket in 4K since last yeat but have announced more matches.

But they will not share it with anyone.

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Did HD start out like that? i.e Sky keeping it to themselves?

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Can't remember when VM went HD and when Sky put there channels on it - but it is usual for companies to hold on to these type of produces as long as possible.

I think when Sky Sports added new sports channels - they launched on VM and Sky at the same time. But I think it was about 4 years for VM to get the first Sports HD channel after it's launch.

As long as customers are signing up with Sky for 4K sports - they are not going to share it.

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I watched some HD channels last night and it looks better on my 4k. Be good to get more 4k content though.

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Sky have no 4k channels - they offer the occasional sports programme in 4K via the red button (or through a menu).

Same as VM have with BT Sport and Eurosport recently.

BT added their 4K channel to their EPG - but with no football now it is just lots of repeats. And many of their customers can't access it anyway.

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I meant content more than channels.

The CL final in UHD on BT was interesting. I wonder if they will offer VM more content next season.

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I wonder whether Eurosport will show Wimbledon in 4K too, as it is being filmed in house in 4K this year and Eurosport are showing it?

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Anyone watching BBC's coverage of the Egypt vs Uruguay game in UHD on the iplayer?

What's it like?

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An active discussion going on on the Community Forum

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...737166/page/28

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Cheers Ben, unfortunately I cannot access the VM forums from my work machine.

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Yes. Picture a bit dark on current picture settings but switched it Vivid and it looks great.

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Very nice. I won't get a chance to watch any games in UHD today, but definitely over the weekend.

Glad to hear picture is good and you managed to access it ok.

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Just loaded the iplayer up and got on straight away picture quality looks brilliant, not sure about the DOG in the top right albeit transparent it looks a bit big

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As i have a 2016 high end Samsung TV which isn't on the compatible list i am surprised i am able to watch the UHD feed just fine.

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The pictured buffered just now, it is stable again but i have lost all sound like many others.

Much easier to watch the live HD feed upscaled to 4K, it looks superb also.