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1andrew1 11-03-2017 18:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35889575)
A bonus for the health of the country.
lol, nice one, every cloud and all that! :D

1andrew1 11-03-2017 23:57
Re: Brexit
 

More reasons on why leaving the EU without a deal won't work
Quote:
Leaked Treasury report warns of painful 'economic shock' if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal
Its language is stronger than that used in the Treasury’s published, and publicly available, analysis of the long-term impact of Brexit...
The report describes the WTO’s coverage of services, which account for almost 80% of the UK economy, as “out of date, based on a set of commitments that are 20 years old. It lacks the ambition the UK’s modern economy needs.“ It argues that, without a trade deal, the EU would have no scope to lower tariff rates for the UK without cutting them for all members of the 164-nation WTO.
“After we left the EU, we’d need to renegotiate the terms of our WTO membership,” the document, drawn up a month before the referendum was held, says. “This would trigger bureaucratic negotiations with other WTO members, lasting for months or years …This could be a very complex exercise involving a review of every tariff line – over 5,000 – to determine what rate the UK wished to apply.”
Although Britain could lower tariffs on EU imports to soften the blow of rising prices, it would have to reduce them by the same amount on all imports from WTO members. “This would put the UK in a weak position if we wanted to negotiate trade deals to secure more market access for UK exporters – other countries might avoid coming to the table if we’d already opened up access to our market.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7624706.html

Mick 12-03-2017 00:19
Re: Brexit
 
More BS Andrew, when will you stop with it ? :rolleyes:

1andrew1 12-03-2017 00:29
Re: Brexit
 
Interesting developments

Quote:
Mail on Sunday
May's Brexit plans are hit by fresh infighting as MPs savage Brexit Minister David Davis for being ill-prepared for a ‘no deal’ exit
- Theresa May's plans to trigger Brexit within 48 hours thrown into doubt
- Brexit Secretary David Davis criticised for being ill-prepared for a 'no deal' exit
- Chancellor Philip Hammond came under attack from pro-EU MP Anna Soubry
- No 10 said that Mrs May was in no mood to back down from triggering Brexit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4b4CTYfDP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35889645)
More BS Andrew, when will you stop with it ? :rolleyes:
I prefer not to get sand in my hair. :D
But seriously Mick, see the Mail on Sunday article which cites the same report, this is a big development.

Kursk 12-03-2017 01:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889646)
Interesting developments
You seem to accidentally overlook some interesting developments 1andy1. Here's one, for example, from Lord Mervyn King, former Governor of the Bank of England (the one before the current Governor who predicts interest rates by sticking in his thumb and pulling out a plum):

Quote:
Lord King said about the Brexit negotiations:
‘We don’t need to negotiate very much, actually,’ he said in an interview with Bloomberg. ‘It’s they who need to negotiate with us.’
Now stop exhausting Mick; it's bad for your health :p:

denphone 12-03-2017 05:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889646)
Interesting developments


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4b4CTYfDP

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I prefer not to get sand in my hair. :D
But seriously Mick, see the Mail on Sunday article which cites the same report, this is a big development.
Not sure anything involved with the Mail bouquet of newspapers you can trust Andrew as l was not a supporter of Brexit but we are where we are and sadly there ain't any way back so we as a country have to accept whether its good or bad whatever comes our way in the coming years..

passingbat 12-03-2017 08:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35889650)
(the one before the current Governor who predicts interest rates by sticking in his thumb and pulling out a plum

Or consults his former masters, Bilderberg attendees, EU supporters, Goldman Sachs? Why wasn't that guy fired after the referendum?

papa smurf 12-03-2017 08:58
Re: Brexit
 
have i wakened in an alternate universe

now the mail is a credible news source we should re name it the daily hypocrite ;)

Mr K 12-03-2017 09:08
Re: Brexit
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7624706.html

Quote:
Leaked Treasury report warns of painful 'economic shock' if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal
Never mind let's carry on regardless eh? The harder Brexit the better. The Tories always did love sadomasochism, it's likely to effect the plebs the most anyway.

techguyone 12-03-2017 09:27
Re: Brexit
 
Thing is you seem to be confusing the entire World with the EU, ok so the EU goes west... fine, what about the other 100+ Countries, do you think we won't negotiate something with anyone else?

So there's a few less Audis/BMW's etc on the road... it's not like we'll all be riding pushbikes - and won't it impact those Countries who would have sold us said items more?

Quite apart from anything else, we've had doom laden 'experts' tell us we'd be farked since pretty much day +1 after the vote and they've been made to look pretty stupid now already.


I'm reasonably sure anything we get currently from the EU there will be other places queuing up to sell us their stuff.

to quote a Mr D. Vader 'I find your lack of faith... disturbing'

Our country will really go under if we all convince ourselves we're all as useless as we're made out to be, some of us remember a time pre EU & we seemed to roll just fine.

---

adding on

Quote:
The document claims that consumers would no longer benefit from the end to mobile phone roaming charges, EU compensation for delayed flights or cancelled holidays, or protections covering purchases in an EU country.
Seriously.. Seriously? Yes. Stop. We're going to lose roaming phone charges, lets abort! ffs.

All of the above will affect the EU (or those touristy type places in the eu) far more than us. You just don't go there, and go somewhere else (who do you think suffers more) I'll say it again, and keep saying it. The World is BIGGER than the eu. There is no shortage of nice places to goad see outside of the eu. Any kind of 'punitive crap they pull will in the end, affect them far more than us.

Hugh 12-03-2017 09:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889660)
Or consults his former masters, Bilderberg attendees, EU supporters, Goldman Sachs? Why wasn't that guy fired after the referendum?
Wibble

1andrew1 12-03-2017 11:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35889650)
You seem to accidentally overlook some interesting developments 1andy1. Here's one, for example, from Lord Mervyn King, former Governor of the Bank of England (the one before the current Governor who predicts interest rates by sticking in his thumb and pulling out a plum):

Now stop exhausting Mick; it's bad for your health :p:
Kursk, have you changed your tune on the Mail? Only the other week you were bemoaning the fact that whilst the Mail was your daily read and represented your views, people may be reluctant to share its wisdom due its ban by Wikipedia?
In criticising me for sharing a link to the first page of the Mail, can we now take it that you no longer trust the paper either?

papa smurf 12-03-2017 11:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889673)
Kursk, have you changed your tune on the Mail? Only the other week you were bemoaning the fact that whilst the Mail was your daily read and represented your views, people may be reluctant to share its wisdom due its ban by Wikipedia?
In criticising me for sharing a link to the first page of the Mail, can we now take it that you no longer trust the paper either?
it's not about trust it's about hypocrisy

"the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case"


hypocrisy: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do

1andrew1 12-03-2017 11:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35889665)
Thing is you seem to be confusing the entire World with the EU, ok so the EU goes west... fine, what about the other 100+ Countries, do you think we won't negotiate something with anyone else?

So there's a few less Audis/BMW's etc on the road... it's not like we'll all be riding pushbikes - and won't it impact those Countries who would have sold us said items more?

Quite apart from anything else, we've had doom laden 'experts' tell us we'd be farked since pretty much day +1 after the vote and they've been made to look pretty stupid now already.


I'm reasonably sure anything we get currently from the EU there will be other places queuing up to sell us their stuff.

to quote a Mr D. Vader 'I find your lack of faith... disturbing'

Our country will really go under if we all convince ourselves we're all as useless as we're made out to be, some of us remember a time pre EU & we seemed to roll just fine.

---

adding on



Seriously.. Seriously? Yes. Stop. We're going to lose roaming phone charges, lets abort! ffs.

All of the above will affect the EU (or those touristy type places in the eu) far more than us. You just don't go there, and go somewhere else (who do you think suffers more) I'll say it again, and keep saying it. The World is BIGGER than the eu. There is no shortage of nice places to goad see outside of the eu. Any kind of 'punitive crap they pull will in the end, affect them far more than us.
David Cameron was rightly criticised for not planning for a leave vote. Theresa May is rightly being criticised for not planning for a lack of agreement with the EU.
We need to learn lessons from the referendum vote and plan for both eventualities. That's why our elected representatives are concerned.
Quote:
the national interest at risk by failing to prepare for the “real prospect” that two years of Brexit negotiations could end with no deal.
The criticism – and warnings of dire consequences – is levelled at May by the all-party foreign affairs select committee only days before she is expected to trigger article 50 – the formal process that will end the UK’s 44-year membership of the European Union.
After a detailed inquiry into what would happen if Brexit negotiations failed, the Tory chairman of the committee, Crispin Blunt, a supporter of leaving the EU, said: “The possibility of ‘no deal’ is real enough to require the government to plan how to deal with it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cle-50-theresa

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35889675)
it's not about trust it's about hypocrisy

"the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case"

hypocrisy: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do
The question Parliament is raising is - why haven't we prepared for no agreement with the EU. I appreciate that this is an uncomfortable subject for some but it's an important one for our future.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889660)
Or consults his former masters, Bilderberg attendees, EU supporters, Goldman Sachs? Why wasn't that guy fired after the referendum?
Maybe there was no one in place to fire him? :)

papa smurf 12-03-2017 11:38
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889676)
David Cameron was rightly criticised for not planning for a leave vote. Theresa May is rightly being criticised for not planning for a lack of agreement with the EU.
We need to learn lessons from the referendum vote and plan for both eventualities. That's why our elected representatives are concerned.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cle-50-theresa

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The question Parliament is raising is - why haven't we prepared for no agreement with the EU. I appreciate that this is an uncomfortable subject for some but it's an important one for our future.
and the point i was making was newspaper hypocrisy i appreciate that this is an uncomfortable subject and you may wish to skirt around it ;)

passingbat 12-03-2017 11:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35889666)
Wibble

Wobble? Is this a new game? A NWO code word perhaps? A shortened version of the George W Bush statement, "An angel that "rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm" Are the Elites planning an attack? ;):D



Truly sorry Hugh; I tried to resist.

1andrew1 12-03-2017 11:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35889681)
and the point i was making was newspaper hypocrisy i appreciate that this is an uncomfortable subject and you may wish to skirt around it ;)
Ask me a straight question and I'll give a straight answer.

passingbat 12-03-2017 14:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889676)


Maybe there was no one in place to fire him? :)

Where's Alan Sugar or Arnie when you need them!? :) Though I suspect both of them would have kept him on.

Hugh 12-03-2017 15:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889683)

Wobble? Is this a new game? A NWO code word perhaps? A shortened version of the George W Bush statement, "An angel that "rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm" Are the Elites planning an attack? ;):D



Truly sorry Hugh; I tried to resist.
I love it when the Most Sekrit Conspiracy NWO has an official website, with a list of Committee Members, FAQs, and list of what was discussed at their Sekrit World Domination Conspiracy conclaves, and lists of participants... ;)

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/st...committee.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/conferences.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants.html

I wonder if Mervin King still attends these meetings...

passingbat 12-03-2017 15:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35889696)
I love it when the Most Sekrit Conspiracy NWO has an official website, with a list of Committee Members, FAQs, and list of what was discussed at their Sekrit World Domination Conspiracy conclaves, and lists of participants... ;)

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/st...committee.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/conferences.html

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants.html

I wonder if Mervin King still attends these meetings...

The meetings aren't secret. It's what is actually said in the discussions that is secret. Surely you knew that already?

Maggy 12-03-2017 17:33
Re: Brexit
 
In 5 years time this is going to be a fascinating thread to read..

Hugh 12-03-2017 17:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889697)
The meetings aren't secret. It's what is actually said in the discussions that is secret. Surely you knew that already?
But surely if they were running a Sekrit Conspiracy™ to rule the world, they wouldn't publicise the meetings or the attendees?

Shouldn't they be meeting in a hollowed-out volcano, with a trap-door bridge over the shark tank?

Kursk 12-03-2017 18:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889673)
Kursk, have you changed your tune on the Mail? Only the other week you were bemoaning the fact that whilst the Mail was your daily read and represented your views, people may be reluctant to share its wisdom due its ban by Wikipedia?
In criticising me for sharing a link to the first page of the Mail, can we now take it that you no longer trust the paper either?
Nope, I like the Mail and I read it nearly every day. I know that many here don't hold it in much regard but my point is that to be truly representative, a full spectrum of popular curent opinion better serves forum discussions. The ban by Wikipedia has nothing to do with it; I don't regard Wiki or the Mail as the definitive factual source but both contribute to my understanding of an overall picture.

I wasn't criticising you for sharing a Mail link btw; in fact, I have noticed and am grateful that you have diversified your sourcing to include Mail references. We cannot ignore the popular press, believing that it is in some way an embarrassment to the intelligentsia; everyone's point of view matters as does everyone's vote. There are people in politics who still don't seem to want to grasp this.

I was simply making the point that, whichever sourcing you choose, it is invariably negative and perhaps especially so where Brexit is concerned to the point it would seem, of careful selectivity. On the forum that simply translates into polarising opinion and we need to move on from that imho.

Apart from anything else attrition won't change anyone's mind about anything and we won't find the required compromises in one upmanship-style posting.

denphone 12-03-2017 19:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35889707)
In 5 years time this is going to be a fascinating thread to read..
Well hopefully l will still be alive by then.;)

Ramrod 12-03-2017 19:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35889709)
But surely if they were running a Sekrit Conspiracy™ to rule the world, they wouldn't publicise the meetings or the attendees?
Difficult to keep that quiet given the number and identity of the average attendee.
Quote:

Shouldn't they be meeting in a hollowed-out volcano, with a trap-door bridge over the shark tank?
You're possibly closer to the truth than you think.

1andrew1 12-03-2017 20:46
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35889710)
Nope, I like the Mail and I read it nearly every day. I know that many here don't hold it in much regard but my point is that to be truly representative, a full spectrum of popular curent opinion better serves forum discussions. The ban by Wikipedia has nothing to do with it; I don't regard Wiki or the Mail as the definitive factual source but both contribute to my understanding of an overall picture.

I wasn't criticising you for sharing a Mail link btw; in fact, I have noticed and am grateful that you have diversified your sourcing to include Mail references. We cannot ignore the popular press, believing that it is in some way an embarrassment to the intelligentsia; everyone's point of view matters as does everyone's vote. There are people in politics who still don't seem to want to grasp this.

I was simply making the point that, whichever sourcing you choose, it is invariably negative and perhaps especially so where Brexit is concerned to the point it would seem, of careful selectivity. On the forum that simply translates into polarising opinion and we need to move on from that imho.

Apart from anything else attrition won't change anyone's mind about anything and we won't find the required compromises in one upmanship-style posting.
Thanks for your post Kursk. All I would add is that a number of keen Brexiters have commented that I always find negative news about Brexit. I even joked about the other day when I posted a link to the news about Tuesday being the day for invoking Article 50. I've posted links to positive Brexit articles but searching out upbeat news stories about Brexit is not balance.

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Best Brexit article I've seen for a long time. It criticises remainers and leavers alike. I would commend it to everyone. It's written by Tom Kibasi, Director of the Institute for Public Policy Research. Here are a couple of snippetts:

Quote:
Even now, Remain campaigners have retreated into the comforts of pointing to a base and deceitful campaign by the Brexiters, rather than seeking to define or to solve the deeper problems that led to the vote against the status quo. At the heart of the Remainers’ failure is their inability to understand the reality of daily life for many people and communities in modern Britain. They fail to grasp that the current economic model is not working for many people.

Many Remain campaigners note that, in many parts of the country, people feel they have not shared in the economic recovery. In most of the country, there has been no recovery: outside London and the south east, there is not a single region of Britain where have incomes returned to their pre-financial crisis peak. That is a fact, not a feeling.
Quote:
In contrast, the Leave side cleverly seized upon the narrative of change during the campaign (before pivoting to false comfort since the result was declared). Leaving the EU was offered as the magical solution to all of Britain’s problems. Fake promises, such as £350m a week for the NHS or a new points-based immigration system were put on offer.

When challenged about the costs of Brexit, leading Leave figures continue to argue that the UK can enjoy all of the benefits of membership, such as frictionless, tariff-free access to the single market, while bearing none of the burdens. When asked about the challenges, they respond with false reassurances that everything will be fine, and nostalgia for our past, as if this is a prescription for the future. It is both because the Leave campaign was so deceitful and the real policy cupboard is so bare that many Brexiters have attempted to shut down all debate about Britain’s future since the referendum result was declared.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-remain-leave

papa smurf 12-03-2017 21:32
Re: Brexit
 
In contrast, the Leave side cleverly seized upon the narrative of change during the campaign (before pivoting to false comfort since the result was declared). Leaving the EU was offered as the magical solution to all of Britain’s problems. Fake promises, such as £350m a week for the NHS or a new points-based immigration system were put on offer.

When challenged about the costs of Brexit, leading Leave figures continue to argue that the UK can enjoy all of the benefits of membership, such as frictionless, tariff-free access to the single market, while bearing none of the burdens. When asked about the challenges, they respond with false reassurances that everything will be fine, and nostalgia for our past, as if this is a prescription for the future. It is both because the Leave campaign was so deceitful and the real policy cupboard is so bare that many Brexiters have attempted to shut down all debate about Britain’s future since the referendum result was declared.

1andrew1 12-03-2017 22:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35889727)
In contrast, the Leave side cleverly seized upon the narrative of change during the campaign (before pivoting to false comfort since the result was declared). Leaving the EU was offered as the magical solution to all of Britain’s problems. Fake promises, such as £350m a week for the NHS or a new points-based immigration system were put on offer.

When challenged about the costs of Brexit, leading Leave figures continue to argue that the UK can enjoy all of the benefits of membership, such as frictionless, tariff-free access to the single market, while bearing none of the burdens. When asked about the challenges, they respond with false reassurances that everything will be fine, and nostalgia for our past, as if this is a prescription for the future. It is both because the Leave campaign was so deceitful and the real policy cupboard is so bare that many Brexiters have attempted to shut down all debate about Britain’s future since the referendum result was declared.
What did you think of the article's criticism of the remainers?

passingbat 12-03-2017 22:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889673)
Kursk, have you changed your tune on the Mail? Only the other week you were bemoaning the fact that whilst the Mail was your daily read and represented your views, people may be reluctant to share its wisdom due its ban by Wikipedia?
In criticising me for sharing a link to the first page of the Mail, can we now take it that you no longer trust the paper either?

The Daily Mail and Sunday Mail took different stances on Brexit.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7094606.html

1andrew1 12-03-2017 23:38
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889736)
The Daily Mail and Sunday Mail took different stances on Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7094606.html
Interesting. And from that article, The Times went for remain and The Sunday Times to leave.

Kursk 13-03-2017 02:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889724)
Best Brexit article I've seen for a long time. It criticises remainers and leavers alike. I would commend it to everyone.
Much of which (to pat us all on the back) we've covered at CF post-referendum.

I rather like the more succinct quotation that David Davis used this morning when discussing the Brexit negotiations with Andrew Marr:
Quote:
"Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
:)

tweetiepooh 13-03-2017 10:43
Re: Brexit
 
Our relationship with the EU can't remain the same else what is the point. It doesn't though have to be as bad as some claim (nor as good).

And any good Sekrit society knows that there will always be some leaks so publish publicly as much as you can, make it seem to be all above board, minutes published, attendee's listed. No risk here. It's like a magician, even if you know the secret a good magician is still entertaining. Even if you tell people it's a trick and how it's done people will demand a performance to try to see how it's done and by then ....

1andrew1 13-03-2017 11:22
Re: Brexit
 
This is comedy gold! :D Liam Fox denies sending a tweet which is on the screen behind him! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...sitting-front/

Paul 13-03-2017 19:58
Re: Brexit
 
"MPs have overwhelmingly voted to overturn amendments to the Brexit bill made by peers and send the landmark legislation back to the House of Lords. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39249721

Osem 13-03-2017 20:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35889851)
"MPs have overwhelmingly voted to overturn amendments to the Brexit bill made by peers and send the landmark legislation back to the House of Lords. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39249721
Excellent!

pip08456 13-03-2017 21:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35889851)
"MPs have overwhelmingly voted to overturn amendments to the Brexit bill made by peers and send the landmark legislation back to the House of Lords. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39249721
And the HoL will be debating and voting again tonight.

Quote:
The Article 50 Bill will now tonight return to the House of Lords for a second time, although it is expected peers will not seek to re-add amendments to the proposed legislation and will pass the Bill.

It is understood Labour peers will abstain on the Article 50 Bill in the House of Lords later to weaken the chances of a Government defeat.
Link

Mick 13-03-2017 23:17
Re: Brexit
 
And the Lords back down. May now has legal Authority to trigger Article 50. About bloody time.

pip08456 13-03-2017 23:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35889887)
And the Lords back down. May now has legal Authority to trigger Article 50. About bloody time.
Whereas I agree with you Mick I suspect 1andrew1 will be here soon saying all the wasted time and money on legal challenges and the HoL being a counterbalance were worth it as the Government now has the legal authority to do what it was going to do.

I'm sure you can understand the common sense to that argument.;)

Paul 14-03-2017 00:46
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35889887)
And the Lords back down. May now has legal Authority to trigger Article 50. About bloody time.
BBC Article here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39262081

passingbat 14-03-2017 00:48
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35889892)
Whereas I agree with you Mick I suspect 1andrew1 will be here soon saying all the wasted time and money on legal challenges and the HoL being a counterbalance were worth it as the Government now has the legal authority to do what it was going to do.

I'm sure you can understand the common sense to that argument.;)

No, Andrew will be here with more scare tactics. The battle isn't over.

RizzyKing 14-03-2017 02:49
Re: Brexit
 
I can see another negative story hitting the forum pages soon.

Ramrod 14-03-2017 06:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889899)
No, Andrew will be here with more scare tactics. The battle isn't over.
Yep. iirc, the remainers tactics are known as 'delay and pray' :rolleyes:

techguyone 14-03-2017 09:51
Re: Brexit
 
Don't worry Gina Miller will 'save' us all.

Ramrod 14-03-2017 10:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35889928)
Don't worry Gina Miller will 'save' us all.
God help that woman if I ever meet her in real life! :mad:

Kursk 14-03-2017 10:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35889932)
God help that woman if I ever meet her in real life! :mad:
Gina Who? ;)

techguyone 14-03-2017 10:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35889932)
God help that woman if I ever meet her in real life! :mad:
Watch out, it'll be interpreted as threatening or distressing behaviour with todays snowflakes.:rolleyes:

Ramrod 14-03-2017 11:37
Re: Brexit
 
Indeed. Never mind that hundreds of thousands have been distressed by her behaviour :dozey:

papa smurf 14-03-2017 16:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35889928)
Don't worry Gina Miller will 'save' us all.
ta daa saint gina is on the job how dare the government try to execute brexit without her guidance

'An act of WAR!' Gina Miller threatens to go BACK to court to demand a vote on Brexit deal

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778...rt-over-Brexit

personally i think she should be deported and banned from ever returning .

pip08456 14-03-2017 18:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35889980)
ta daa saint gina is on the job how dare the government try to execute brexit without her guidance

'An act of WAR!' Gina Miller threatens to go BACK to court to demand a vote on Brexit deal

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778...rt-over-Brexit

personally i think she should be deported and banned from ever returning .
Who in hades does she think she is?

Like it or not if there is no deal at the end of 2yrs after A50 is triggered we are out like it or not, Parliament can't do anything about it she will have to take the EU to court.

1andrew1 14-03-2017 18:35
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35889997)
Who in hades does she think she is?

Like it or not if there is no deal at the end of 2yrs after A50 is triggered we are out like it or not, Parliament can't do anything about it she will have to take the EU to court.
Gina Miller was on Radio 5 Live at 5pm saying that Theresa May should invoke Article 50 now and not wait until the 27th!

pip08456 14-03-2017 18:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889999)
Gina Miller was on Radio 5 Live at 5pm saying that Theresa May should invoke Article 50 now and not wait until the 27th!
So now she thinks she can tell the PM what to do.

1andrew1 14-03-2017 18:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35890001)
So now she thinks she can tell the PM what to do.
Ha ha there's no pleasing some people! :D

papa smurf 14-03-2017 18:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35890001)
So now she thinks she can tell the PM what to do.
well of course she does she's been allowed to buy this brexit revolt and she wants her moneys worth she won't be happy until she's running the show .

1andrew1 14-03-2017 19:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35890003)
well of course she does she's been allowed to buy this brexit revolt and she wants her moneys worth she won't be happy until she's running the show .
Gina for PM? That's a great suggestion! ;)

Kursk 14-03-2017 19:18
Re: Brexit
 
Are these paid appearances? She was on Andrew Marr too the other week. Is the BBC funding her regularly?

What a remoaning bad loser; she's worse than 1andy1 :D

papa smurf 14-03-2017 19:42
Re: Brexit
 
Minister in talks for 'British-only button' for online food shoppers

this'll upset the EU lackeys

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/779...rliament-talks

RizzyKing 15-03-2017 03:19
Re: Brexit
 
Gina miller has become a little full of her own importance and clearly feels she should be included in the government process and it's time she was told to just fade into the background and be quiet. She wants to have her cake and eat it by creating as many problems as she can for brexit and just expecting people to respect her, ironic as she has no respect for a large proportion of the UK population. While i don't condone threats a person with a double digit IQ should know if you raise your head above the parapet your going to attract a negative response from some. She is the epitome of why remain lost the vote and like many remain supporters is doing everything she can to frustrate the process it's time for some tough love from someone she listens too (if there is such a person in her life) and just leave things in the hands of the government.

Ramrod 15-03-2017 08:29
Re: Brexit
 
She probably lives in a remainer echo chamber so she's unlikely to hear any contrary views.

heero_yuy 15-03-2017 12:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35890007)
Are these paid appearances? She was on Andrew Marr too the other week. Is the BBC funding her regularly?
It suits the BBC's remoaning agenda.

Kursk 15-03-2017 13:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35890074)
It suits the BBC's remoaning agenda.
A woman might be more gainfully employed washing dishes or attending embroidery classes or cooking for a man or.......OUCH, I THINK I'VE JUST BEEN STABBED :shocked:

Stuart 15-03-2017 14:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35889980)
personally i think she should be deported and banned from ever returning .
What? For doing her utmost to ensure that parliament (which is the ultimate instrument of our democracy) actually gets some say in the biggest thing to happen to the UK in a generation?

If, as has been stated, one of the reasons we are leaving the EU is to return sovereignty to our own democratically elected MPs, why are you so determined to keep them out of the process? Unless you don't trust them to handle the process, in which case, I'd question why you want to give them sovereignty, if they are so untrustworthy.

Mick 15-03-2017 15:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35890091)
What? For doing her utmost to ensure that parliament (which is the ultimate instrument of our democracy) actually gets some say in the biggest thing to happen to the UK in a generation?

If, as has been stated, one of the reasons we are leaving the EU is to return sovereignty to our own democratically elected MPs, why are you so determined to keep them out of the process? Unless you don't trust them to handle the process, in which case, I'd question why you want to give them sovereignty, if they are so untrustworthy.
I don't think Gina Miller cares one iota about Parliamentary sovereignty in any form, she appeared to just be making a name for herself and using any which way she could via the courts, to delay or stop Brexit and she is still at it, doing pathetic threats to government.

passingbat 15-03-2017 16:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35890091)
What? For doing her utmost to ensure that parliament (which is the ultimate instrument of our democracy) actually gets some say in the biggest thing to happen to the UK in a generation?

.

You can't tie the hands of the negotiating team; the EU has to know that the UK is prepared to walk away from the deal, if necessary. That is the way to get the best deal.


Giving Parliament the option to send them back to renegotiate, would play right into the EU's hands, in the end would result in very soft Brexit, which is, of course, what Gina Miller really wants; her 'noble aims' stance is nonsense; she has an agenda. An agenda that is pretty clear for most people to see.

RizzyKing 15-03-2017 16:28
Re: Brexit
 
Yeah sorry i don't believe that gina miller is doing any of this in the best interests of the UK she's all about herself and progressing her agenda and damn anything else.

papa smurf 15-03-2017 18:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35890084)
A woman might be more gainfully employed washing dishes or attending embroidery classes or cooking for a man or.......OUCH, I THINK I'VE JUST BEEN STABBED :shocked:
;) these are the kind of qualities one finds attractive in a woman :)

Mr K 15-03-2017 18:32
Re: Brexit
 
[QUOTE=papa smurf;35890120]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35890084)
A woman might be more gainfully employed washing dishes or attending embroidery classes or cooking for a man or.......OUCH, I THINK I'VE JUST BEEN STABBED :shocked:[/QUOTE

;) these are the kind of qualities one finds attractive in a woman :)
I find a woman who earns a full time wage more attractive, plus does the dishes, cleaning etc ;)

denphone 15-03-2017 19:01
Re: Brexit
 
[QUOTE=Mr K;35890121]
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35890120)

I find a woman who earns a full time wage more attractive, plus does the dishes, cleaning etc ;)
Why can't you do the dishes and cleaning Mr K as you do say you are a jack of all trades.;)

Stuart 15-03-2017 19:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890107)
Yeah sorry i don't believe that gina miller is doing any of this in the best interests of the UK she's all about herself and progressing her agenda and damn anything else.
I could argue the same about Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

Mick 15-03-2017 19:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35890143)
I could argue the same about Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
Nigel Farage is not in government and Theresa May, was in the Remain camp, so your assertion here does not make any sense.

Ramrod 15-03-2017 20:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35890091)
What? For doing her utmost to ensure that parliament (which is the ultimate instrument of our democracy) actually gets some say in the biggest thing to happen to the UK in a generation?
Nice idea and I completely agree. Except for in this instance where it would play into remain and the eu's hands by incentivising the eu to give us a rubbish deal.
Lots of us here have explained this point many, many times. Do you really not understand it? :confused:

pip08456 15-03-2017 20:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35890091)
What? For doing her utmost to ensure that parliament (which is the ultimate instrument of our democracy) actually gets some say in the biggest thing to happen to the UK in a generation?
I would perhaps agree with you had anything she has done, other than distract the Government from concentrating on getting the best possible deal for the country, made an iota of difference.

It hasn't, to date all she's done is spent time and money on a hiding to nothing and she's intent on continuing to do so.

Now that Parliament have voted to let the Government forge ahead with the withdrawal process she should shut up and go away with her tail between her legs.

1andrew1 16-03-2017 10:53
Re: Brexit
 
Positive gamble by Toyota
Quote:
Toyota hands £240m Brexit boost to UK
Toyota says it is to invest £240m upgrading its car plant at Burnaston in Derbyshire, in what amounts to a vote of confidence in the plant after the Brexit vote.
As carmakers, including Toyoya, scramble to demand tariff-free access to the EU following the split, the company said the money - to improve the factory's competitiveness - included £21.3m of "support" from the UK Government.
Dr Johan van Zyl, the president and Chief executive of Toyota Europe, noted "Continued tariff-and-barrier free market access between the UK and Europe that is predictable and uncomplicated will be vital for future success."
http://news.sky.com/story/toyota-han...plant-10803437

gba93 16-03-2017 11:04
Re: Brexit
 
European Withdrawal Bill given Royal Assent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39282280

Mick 16-03-2017 12:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35890251)
European Withdrawal Bill given Royal Assent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39282280
Quick!... Someone go send either a doctor or Ambulance to Gina Miller's Residence, pronto, because I think this will have made her extremely unwell. :Sprint: :rolleyes:

gba93 16-03-2017 12:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890269)
Quick!... Someone go send either a doctor or Ambulance to Gina Miller's Residence, pronto, because I think this will have made her extremely unwell. :Sprint: :rolleyes:
:D:D:D

Ramrod 16-03-2017 12:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890269)
Quick!... Someone go send either a doctor or Ambulance to Gina Miller's Residence, pronto, because I think this will have made her extremely unwell. :Sprint: :rolleyes:
One can hope :D

Kursk 16-03-2017 13:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890269)
Quick!... Someone go send either a doctor or Ambulance to Gina Miller's Residence, pronto, because I think this will have made her extremely unwell. :Sprint: :rolleyes:
Gina will want the Monarch removed and replaced by someone else....like Gina herself perhaps? :D

The BBC will fund her cause for the throne.

I just hope Armitage Shanks provide one to save us all months of angst.

Osem 18-03-2017 13:30
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I see the BBC reckons a family leaving the UK due to Brexit is worthy of reporting - a 'Must See' in fact.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39305860

I wish them luck but families come and leave the UK all the time and for all sorts of reasons yet the Beeb clearly feels this has additional significance for some reason. :shrug:

The reality is that for many years, the number of people leaving the UK has been vastly exceeded by the number coming in and still is in spite of Brexit and all the associated hyperbole.

Maybe next week the Beeb will do a similar piece on a family who've heard all about Brexit yet are still choosing intolerant, xenophobic Britain as the place they want to live and work...

heero_yuy 18-03-2017 14:40
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35890597)

Maybe next week the Beeb will do a simialr piece on a family who've heard all about Brexit yet are still choosing intolerant, xenophobic Britain as the place they want to live and work...
I wouldn't count on it. The Brussels Broadcasting Company has it's own anti-British political agenda. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 18-03-2017 23:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35890597)
I see the BBC reckons a family leaving the UK due to Brexit is worthy of reporting - a 'Must See' in fact.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39305860

I wish them luck but families come and leave the UK all the time and for all sorts of reasons yet the Beeb clearly feels this has additional significance for some reason. :shrug:

The reality is that for many years, the number of people leaving the UK has been vastly exceeded by the number coming in and still is in spite of Brexit and all the associated hyperbole.

Maybe next week the Beeb will do a similar piece on a family who've heard all about Brexit yet are still choosing intolerant, xenophobic Britain as the place they want to live and work...
In Summer the BBC was widely known as the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. It has continued this theme with an unhealthy obsession of pro-Brexit guests only on the Andrew Marr Show, a well known Brexiter.
This magazine article is so poor [many other reasons apart from Brexit for the family to move to Germany] that I can only assume the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation chose it for this very reason. It gives the appearance of balance but is so unconvincing it delivers the opposite.

passingbat 19-03-2017 06:50
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890664)
In Summer the BBC was widely known as the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. e.

Nice to have a laugh first thing in the morning. Keep this quiet Andrew, but CNN, actually supports Trump.

Mr K 19-03-2017 08:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
John Major attacks 'ultra-Brexiteers' as undemocratic and un-British. The former prime minister accused hardline leave campaigners of ‘shouting down anyone with an opposing view’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

Interesting comments from John Major. Certainly recognise what he's talking about, on this very forum ! People have become more entrenched, divided, and 'nasty' to each other since the vote. Do any of us want the future of our country and society to be like this ? (holds breath for 'nasty' comments !)

TheDaddy 19-03-2017 09:17
Re: Brexit
 
Just been listening to this on the wireless

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7637176.html

Who voted for this, come on own up

Maggy 19-03-2017 10:35
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35890698)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

Interesting comments from John Major. Certainly recognise what he's talking about, on this very forum ! People have become more entrenched, divided, and 'nasty' to each other since the vote. Do any of us want the future of our country and society to be like this ? (holds breath for 'nasty' comments !)
You are wearing your flame proof suit I hope? ;)

Damien 19-03-2017 10:48
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890699)
Just been listening to this on the wireless

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7637176.html

Who voted for this, come on own up
People look at the NHS but another area of concern are social care workers. They are many from Eastern Europe who are carers for people with serious conditions. No idea if we're losing them but that would be a big problem because it's a very difficult job that pays peanuts.

passingbat 19-03-2017 11:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890699)
Just been listening to this on the wireless

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7637176.html

Who voted for this, come on own up

Nothing to do with Brexit voters. Leading Brexiteers wanted guaranteed rights for EU citizens after the referendum took place.


May tried to get this sorted before article 50 was triggered, but the EU refused Blame the United States of Europe for that one.

Mr K 19-03-2017 12:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35890713)
Nothing to do with Brexit voters. Leading Brexiteers wanted guaranteed rights for EU citizens after the referendum took place.


May tried to get this sorted before article 50 was triggered, but the EU refused Blame the United States of Europe for that one.
Maybe it's nothing to do with the EU rights guarantee. Maybe they just don't feel welcome and now see better opportunities elsewhere. There have been many racist incidents targeted at East Europeans, all stirred up by the Brexit vote. It's encouraged the worst section of our society. The NHS is finished and our economy doomed if immigrant workers leave. Time we valued them.

1andrew1 19-03-2017 13:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35890720)
Maybe it's nothing to do with the EU rights guarantee. Maybe they just don't feel welcome and now see better opportunities elsewhere. There have been many racist incidents targeted at East Europeans, all stirred up by the Brexit vote. It's encouraged the worst section of our society. The NHS is finished and our economy doomed if immigrant workers leave. Time we valued them.
Parliament should have made the guarantee unilaterally as the wiser and more experienced House of Lords advised they do. It was the morally and economically wise choice and would have put the UK in a positive light for the negotiations.
The uncertainty cannot be good for Europeans living in the UK and vice versa. However, the link to hate crimes and the Brexit vote has not been proven and a widely-reported report on this was shown to be flawed.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890711)
People look at the NHS but another area of concern are social care workers. They are many from Eastern Europe who are carers for people with serious conditions. No idea if we're losing them but that would be a big problem because it's a very difficult job that pays peanuts.
That's one reason why it's very hard to have a Soviet-style top-down quotas system for immigrants.
You end up employing lots of bureaucrats to judge on a job-type-by-job-type-basis if the UK needs Europeans to do vitally important jobs. This deprives those bureaucrats from doing vitally important work themselves and the country is less productive.

---------- Post added at 13:02 ---------- Previous post was at 13:01 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35890713)
Nothing to do with Brexit voters. Leading Brexiteers wanted guaranteed rights for EU citizens after the referendum took place.
May tried to get this sorted before article 50 was triggered, but the EU refused Blame the United States of Europe for that one.
The EU cannot stop the UK granting continued rights to EU27 citizens to work and reside in the UK.

passingbat 19-03-2017 13:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890723)


The EU cannot stop the UK granting continued rights to EU27 citizens to work and reside in the UK.

Where is your condemnation of the EU for not quickly responding to May's offer to get it sorted straight away?

RizzyKing 19-03-2017 15:47
Re: Brexit
 
The EU opposed the gaurantee off rights for respective groups of citizens making it a part of the wider negotiating process and like it or not but no one in their right mind makes a concession on an issue before negotiations start. As has been said it's funny that theresa may and uk gov are getting grief about this but none is directed towards the EU that have created this issue and were the intransigent party in this, it's the EU playing games with citizens rights not the UK so direct your feelings to them.

Mick 19-03-2017 17:03
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890746)
The EU opposed the gaurantee off rights for respective groups of citizens making it a part of the wider negotiating process and like it or not but no one in their right mind makes a concession on an issue before negotiations start. As has been said it's funny that theresa may and uk gov are getting grief about this but none is directed towards the EU that have created this issue and were the intransigent party in this, it's the EU playing games with citizens rights not the UK so direct your feelings to them.
:clap:

Sadly, that is asking too much for people in love with the EU. Cannot fathom why people cherish a corrupt, imbalanced and failing entity. :rolleyes:

noel43 19-03-2017 18:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890757)
:clap:

Sadly, that is asking too much for people in love with the EU. Cannot fathom why people cherish a corrupt, imbalanced and failing entity. :rolleyes:
Thought this was about brexit, not the british gov.

Mick 19-03-2017 18:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35890764)
Thought this was about brexit, not the british gov.
Ahh, funny, not. I was actually discussing Brexit and the failing EU. :rolleyes:

Ramrod 19-03-2017 19:22
Re: Brexit
 
To be fair. I'm despairing at the conservatives atm.....and I'm a paid up party member. :mis:
Still, could be worse......I could be a member of the labour party :D

Mr K 19-03-2017 21:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35890768)
To be fair. I'm despairing at the conservatives atm.....and I'm a paid up party member. :mis:
You've done the hard part. Admitting it. There is help out there, #toryboysanomynous.
Don't despair, you can get through this.

1andrew1 19-03-2017 22:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35890764)
Thought this was about brexit, not the british gov.
lol, I thought I was back on the Trump thread for a moment. :D

---------- Post added at 22:24 ---------- Previous post was at 22:17 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35890729)
Where is your condemnation of the EU for not quickly responding to May's offer to get it sorted straight away?
That's a bit of a Fox & Friends type phrasing! ;)
The EU's position has always been clear - no negotiations until we invoke Article 50. Those are the rules of the club that we have to abide with with if we decide to leave. And we helped draw up those very rules!
The British Government has the opportunity to give those EU citizens within her borders the comfort of knowing that they can still live and work here post-Brexit. Fom the article posted earlier this looks like it would help the NHS and in turn, you and me. The UK Government has decided not to do this so I hope this can get sorted out early on in negotiations for a mutually beneficial solution.

---------- Post added at 22:29 ---------- Previous post was at 22:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35890768)
To be fair. I'm despairing at the conservatives atm.....and I'm a paid up party member. :mis:
Still, could be worse......I could be a member of the labour party :D
The Conservatives need a good opposition to keep them on their toes and to help them to raise their game.
They're too obsessed with pet projects like grammar schools and to placating Daily Mail leader-writers. In the background, council services are creaking, the NHS is struggling, we've got aircraft carriers but no aircraft on them, and there are train strikes every week. (But I still love the UK in case that all sounds a big negative!, lol)

passingbat 19-03-2017 22:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890781)
lol, I thought I was back on the Trump thread for a moment. :D

---------- Post added at 22:24 ---------- Previous post was at 22:17 ----------

That's a bit of a Fox & Friends type phrasing! ;)
The EU's position has always been clear - no negotiations until we invoke Article 50. Those are the rules of the club that we have to abide with with if we decide to leave. And we helped draw up those very rules! .

All my own words, I can assure you.


Still waiting for your condemnation of the EU. Hiding behind 'the rules' is nonsense.

TheDaddy 19-03-2017 23:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35890790)
All my own words, I can assure you.


Still waiting for your condemnation of the EU. Hiding behind 'the rules' is nonsense.
They can't start doing side deals, they're terrified of us doing deals or bribing individual states prior to article 50 being triggered and with good reason imo as it's exactly what I'd be doing right now and would've been doing for months. Besides which if Mrs May had said you can all stay with the caveat of a reciprocal agreement once negotiations started we'd be the good guys and it might have taken some of the sharper edges of once negotiations start.

---------- Post added at 23:06 ---------- Previous post was at 23:02 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890711)
People look at the NHS but another area of concern are social care workers. They are many from Eastern Europe who are carers for people with serious conditions. No idea if we're losing them but that would be a big problem because it's a very difficult job that pays peanuts.
They're not going anywhere, low paid and unskilled have few options and will just have to suck it up and wait and see, qualified nurses on the other hand are in high demand in lots of places, don't worry about losing them, we can just go back to raping the third world of theirs

1andrew1 19-03-2017 23:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35890790)
All my own words, I can assure you.


Still waiting for your condemnation of the EU. Hiding behind 'the rules' is nonsense.
I've provided my response. All I can add is that it's the UK that's leaving the EU and not the other way round.

Theresa May is doing exactly the right thing here, demonstrating some goodwill to Europe.
Britain and Germany set to sign defence co-operation deal
Quote:
Financial Times The British prime minister is seeking to emphasise Britain’s big contribution to European security to gain goodwill among her 27 EU partners amid concerns that the Brexit negotiations could prove very tough and might even break down.

One commentator on the above article "ItalianStallion" has made some astute points:
Quote:
Some comments below suggest that the UK doesn't have many bargaining chips and this won't make a difference. I agree you don't have many. But proactive positive actions will help. This is one. A pre-emptive guarantee to the rights of EU residents in UK would be another. Firm statement that the UK pays its debts [but need to understand the amounts], would be another.
If you treat this as a zero sum negotiation or card game, you will fail. Be generous, and show that actually having the UK as a strong partner is in everyone's interest and you may succeed.
May could start by doing a strong interview in the Mail et al making it clear that their criticism of the EU is not policy and is silly.
Advice you don't want - but sometimes this is the best sort.


---------- Post added at 23:18 ---------- Previous post was at 23:09 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890792)
They can't start doing side deals, they're terrified of us doing deals or bribing individual states prior to article 50 being triggered and with good reason imo as it's exactly what I'd be doing right now and would've been doing for months. Besides which if Mrs May had said you can all stay with the caveat of a reciprocal agreement once negotiations started we'd be the good guys and it might have taken some of the sharper edges of once negotiations start.
:clap::clap::clap:

Gavin78 19-03-2017 23:55
Re: Brexit
 
They need to get rid of that Junk head he's the problem among a few others. This is a test case for leaving as it's never been done before and we are seeing how well the EU treat those for doing it.


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