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Damien 28-02-2017 11:21

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35887767)
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the jobs lost have been lost to automation not outsourcing.

I think people really underestimate how disruptive automation is going to be. Immigration is nothing compared to the coming chaos over automation - driving jobs, supermarkets and manufacturing will all be prime targets.

1andrew1 28-02-2017 11:53

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887795)
I think people really underestimate how disruptive automation is going to be. Immigration is nothing compared to the coming chaos over automation - driving jobs, supermarkets and manufacturing will all be prime targets.

Slightly off-topic but I totally agree. Not just driving jobs, but all auto-related jobs including garages, mechanics, car showrooms etc will be impacted by electric and self-driving vehicles.
Adidas has recently onshored a factory to Germany but robots not people make the trainers. https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/21/...-speedfactory/

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35887785)
Some companies have out sourced factories to countries with cheap labour. He has convinced some of those companies to instead build those factories in the US.

These are largely just companies re-announcing what they were planning to do anyway. Trump is fine with this as the re-announcements do him no harm and many will fall for it.

Hugh 28-02-2017 15:45

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
February 27th 2017
Quote:

President Trump on Monday appeared to dismiss a question about his aides’ alleged ties to Russia by saying he hasn’t spoken to the country in a decade.

I haven’t called Russia in 10 years,” he told a reporter who asked him whether a special prosecutor should carry out an investigation.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ia-in-10-years

February 9th 2017
Quote:

In his first call as president with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump denounced a treaty that caps U.S. and Russian deployment of nuclear warheads as a bad deal for the United States, according to two U.S. officials and one former U.S. official with knowledge of the call.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN15O2A5?il=0

1andrew1 28-02-2017 16:10

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887838)

If I was one of the apologists for Trump, I would suggest that Trump was technically correct and that one of his aids called Putin or Putin called him. ;)

Kursk 28-02-2017 16:15

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887838)

So beneath the usual quality of your contributions :sleep: (and I'm not a Trump apologist, I'm a Hugh apologist :))

Damien 28-02-2017 16:18

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35887852)
So beneath the usual quality of your contributions :sleep: (and I'm not a Trump apologist, I'm a Hugh apologist :))

You need to stop making things personal. It only inflames things and doesn't contribute.

Kursk 28-02-2017 16:21

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887853)
You need to stop making things personal. It only inflames things and doesn't contribute.

So can I not make the same type of comment as you have just done?

Mick 28-02-2017 16:28

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887838)

:rolleyes:

It did not take a genius to figure out what Trump actually meant here. He means he did not call Russia before he became President, stop looking for fake holes.

You also have not answered my post from a few pages back.

Damien 28-02-2017 16:34

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35887854)
So can I not make the same type of comment as you have just done?

I'm just saying there is no need to go after the poster. Go after the content. If you go after the poster the discussion doesn't have anywhere to go.

Anyway back on topic Trump is doing his 'sorta' state of the union today: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=45787395

Kursk 28-02-2017 16:46

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887860)
I'm just saying there is no need to go after the poster. Go after the content. If you go after the poster the discussion doesn't have anywhere to go.

Anyway back on topic Trump is doing his 'sorta' state of the union today: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=45787395

Strewth, I can barely say boo on this forum without some kind of rebuke. Hugh and I have enough rappport to overcome small digs (either way). And I did 'go after the content'.

1andrew1 28-02-2017 16:58

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35887861)
Strewth, I can barely say boo on this forum without some kind of rebuke. Hugh and I have enough rappport to overcome small digs (either way). And I did 'go after the content'.

Always best for us forum members play the ball and not the man, old bean.
In this instance you attacked the quality of Hugh's contribution without giving a reason as to why you felt it was weak. So no one could support or challenge your argument.

Kursk 28-02-2017 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887866)
Always best for us forum members play the ball and not the man, old bean.
In this instance you attacked the quality of Hugh's contribution without giving a reason as to why you felt it was weak. So no one could support or challenge your argument.

How kind of you to offer clarification old bean.

My comment was self-explanatory; Hugh didn't actually comment either - he just posted a couple of links which were also self-explanatory.

Feel free to comment when you work it out, oh hang on, you already did...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887849)
If I was one of the apologists for Trump, I would suggest that Trump was technically correct and that one of his aids called Putin or Putin called him. ;)


Hugh 28-02-2017 17:17

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887859)
:rolleyes:

It did not take a genius to figure out what Trump actually meant here. He means he did not call Russia before he became President, stop looking for fake holes.

You also have not answered my post from a few pages back.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out if he called Putin 2-3 weeks before he made that statement, he had called Russia within the last 10 years.

Or perhaps he just forgot....

Which post is that, Mick?

Mick 28-02-2017 17:53

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887871)
It doesn't take a genius to figure out if he called Putin 2-3 weeks before he made that statement, he had called Russia within the last 10 years.

Or perhaps he just forgot....

No because it obvious what he meant.

Quote:

Which post is that, Mick?
You said what about his staff yesterday, (meaning last Friday) and I asked what about them, as I was not clear as to what you were referring to.

Hugh 28-02-2017 18:12

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887877)
No because it obvious what he meant.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887877)
You said what about his staff yesterday, (meaning last Friday) and I asked what about them, as I was not clear as to what you were referring to.

He stated that others were using unnamed sources in their articles against him, and that was wrong, at the same time his White House staff would only speak off the record (being an unnamed source) to news reporters - sorry if I wasn't clear in my original post.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...nymous-sources
Quote:

President Donald Trump assailed the news media’s use of unnamed sources on Friday, just hours after White House aides briefed reporters on condition of anonymity about their efforts to debunk a New York Times article on contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russian officials.

martyh 28-02-2017 18:31

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887859)
:rolleyes:

It did not take a genius to figure out what Trump actually meant here. He means he did not call Russia before he became President, stop looking for fake holes.

You also have not answered my post from a few pages back.

Trump should be making himself clear at all times ,especially for us dimwits that take what he says as being what he means .Lets hope he isn't so vague when it comes to relaying the important stuff to joe public

Mick 28-02-2017 18:40

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887878)
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one...

Fine with me but I'm curious why the inept attitude to something so obvious ?

pip08456 28-02-2017 18:44

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887879)
Trump should be making himself clear at all times ,especially for us dimwits that take what he says as being what he means .Lets hope he isn't so vague when it comes to relaying the important stuff to joe public

When dimwits rely on the media to tell them what he meant and just take soundbites to prove their point what do you expect.

So this
Quote:

"We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good," Trump said at a meeting of the nation's governors at the White House.

"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
Is scoffed and derided when this is what he said in context.

http://time.com/4684068/donald-trump...m-complicated/

Totally different when you hear it in context.

That's the mainstream media for you though.

Mick 28-02-2017 18:44

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887879)
Trump should be making himself clear at all times ,especially for us dimwits that take what he says as being what he means .Lets hope he isn't so vague when it comes to relaying the important stuff to joe public

Same applies to you.

Can't help being inept because it's suits your negative Trump stance.

Let's have some fake outrage. :rolleyes:

Damien 28-02-2017 19:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
By the way for all Trump went on about Obama travelling and golfing he himself is going back to his resort for the 4th time in 6 weeks this weekend: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/flo...228-story.html

Which likely brings him to the average cost of Obama's trips a year in just 6 weeks: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...xpayers-234562

Here is Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...085760?lang=en

Seems the Democrats aren't the only hypocrites.

pip08456 28-02-2017 19:40

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887891)
By the way for all Trump went on about Obama travelling and golfing he himself is going back to his resort for the 4th time in 6 weeks this weekend: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/flo...228-story.html

Which likely brings him to the average cost of Obama's trips a year in just 6 weeks: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...xpayers-234562

Here is Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...085760?lang=en

Seems the Democrats aren't the only hypocrites.

Looks like you edited your post as you realised the context.

Damien 28-02-2017 19:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35887893)
Looks like you edited your post as you realised the context.

No I just don't like starting two different points because it doesn't flow as well.

Since you bring up though what is the context? He doesn't say anything before or after that changes the meaning of the sentence 'nobody thought health care could be so complicated'? He says why it's complicated but who thought it wouldn't be? Obama basically threw his first term behind health care, Clinton couldn't do, American Presidents have constantly hit the rocks with health care.

So people made fun of Trump for saying nobody thought health care could be so complicated when everyone knows it's very complicated.

pip08456 28-02-2017 19:50

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His thrust was the delay in announcing tax cuts until heath care was costed and accounted for.

Seems quite clear to me unless you have an agenda.

EDITAnd the need to enter it into statute.

Damien 28-02-2017 19:56

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35887895)
His thrust was the delay in announcing tax cuts until heath care was costed and accounted for.

Seems quite clear to me unless you have an agenda.

Yes I know he was saying tax cuts would come later. It's clear what he is saying. It's that he said 'nobody knew healthcare would be so complicated' that made people laugh. That was the correct quote, he didn't caveat it.

The context doesn't change the meaning of the quote, it's just that he said other stuff too.

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I should point out I don't care about the quote.

I think the hypocrisy of him slagging off Obama for trips whilst running up in 6 weeks what took Obama, on average, a year to reach is more interesting.

Although even then I don't care that much as the overall money is negligible in the context of a US budget but imagine the uproar had Obama went to a resort so often. He got so much flack for the trips he did take.

pip08456 28-02-2017 20:08

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887896)
Yes I know he was saying tax cuts would come later. It's clear what he is saying. It's that he said 'nobody knew healthcare would be so complicated' that made people laugh. That was the correct quote, he didn't caveat it.

The context doesn't change the meaning of the quote, it's just that he said other stuff too.

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I should point out I don't care about the quote.

I think the hypocrisy of him slagging off Obama for trips whilst running up in 6 weeks what took Obama, on average, a year to reach is more interesting.

Although even then I don't care that much as the overall money is negligible in the context of a US budget but imagine the uproar had Obama went to a resort so often. He got so much flack for the trips he did take.

I have cereal, vegatable and fruit at least once a day.

That is true beacause a pint of bitter, a Brandy and a vodka are "just other stuff".

Thanks for assisting me to be healthy.

As regards his trips I don't care in the least. Not my budget, not my problem. There will come a time when the Presidential budget will not support them.

EDIT Replaced Scotch with Brandy for the grapes.

Mick 28-02-2017 20:16

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
We now have a pathetic story tonight about Kellyanne Conway putting her feet on the Oval office Couch?

http://news.sky.com/story/kellyanne-...trage-10785305

Obama put his feet on the Desk in the Oval office. Did not see the fecking outcry when he did that....

Let's not go there with what Bill Clinton was said to have got up to with that Monica woman in there.....

Damien 28-02-2017 20:22

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35887898)
As regards his trips I don't care in the least. Not my budget, not my problem. There will come a time when the Presidential budget will not support them.

Me either really. It's just how often Trump went on about Obama's trips. 4 times in 6 weeks is running up a hell of a budget.

Hugh 28-02-2017 20:25

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887900)
We now have a pathetic story tonight about Kellyanne Conway putting her feet on the Oval office Couch?

http://news.sky.com/story/kellyanne-...trage-10785305

Obama put his feet on the Desk in the Oval office. Did not see the fecking outcry when he did that....

Let's not go there with what Bill Clinton was said to have got up to with that Monica woman in there.....

Totally agree - complete non-story.

However, Obama was merely following in the footsteps (;)) of his Republican predecessors.... :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/02/2.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/02/2.jpg

btw, some "outcry" here....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-outrage.html [quote]

Mick 28-02-2017 20:29

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887901)
Me either really. It's just how often Trump went on about Obama's trips. 4 times in 6 weeks is running up a hell of a budget.

Why have you seen the invoices ?

Osem 28-02-2017 20:31

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887900)
We now have a pathetic story tonight about Kellyanne Conway putting her feet on the Oval office Couch?

http://news.sky.com/story/kellyanne-...trage-10785305

Obama put his feet on the Desk in the Oval office. Did not see the fecking outcry when he did that....

Let's not go there with what Bill Clinton was said to have got up to with that Monica woman in there.....

But we all know he did 'NOT have sexual relations with that woman'* don't we and taking advantage of a young intern was is no way as heinous a crime as Trump boasting about grabbing young women to a mate.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

Just look at the face of a real liar in action.

Damien 28-02-2017 20:32

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887903)
Why have you seen the invoices ?

No I am going by the politico story which also has the known costs of closing airports etc. But then Trump hasn't seen them either when he criticised it, as I said it's hypocrisy.

Mick 28-02-2017 20:33

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887902)
Totally agree - complete non-story.

However, Obama was merely following in the footsteps (;)) of his Republican predecessors.... :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/02/1.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/02/2.jpg

btw, some "outcry" here....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-outrage.html

Shock horror we actually agree on something. :erm:

I'm yet to see this social media outrage the story speaks of, this is what I mean about the media, big something up when it's not.

Damien 28-02-2017 20:38

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Most outlets aren't bigging it up: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.14a87a5b90d6

Mick 28-02-2017 20:58

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887905)
No I am going by the politico story which also has the known costs of closing airports etc. But then Trump hasn't seen them either when he criticised it, as I said it's hypocrisy.

Known costs to actual costs ? If he owns the resort he is not going to bill himself.

Cost is pure logistics of him travelling in Air Force One and additional Secret Service Protection. President has to fly in that plane, as it said to be the Flying White House.

You do know Trump is not taking his Presidential Salary ? $400K per year. I suppose when you're a Multi Billionaire : 400K is a drop in the Ocean.

Also how he has wiped billions off the cost off the new Air Force One plane and Fighter Jets.

As for closing of airports. It's not his fault he needs beefed up security from Secret Service to protect him from nutters threatening to kill him.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887907)

Sky News are, check their headline in that link I gave above.

Damien 28-02-2017 21:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887908)
Cost is pure logistics of him travelling in Air Force One and additional Secret Service Protection. President has to fly in that plane, as it said to be the Flying White House.

You do know Trump is not taking his Presidential Salary ? $400K per year. I suppose when you're a Multi Billionaire : 400K is a drop in the Ocean.

Also how he has wiped billions off the cost off the new Air Force One plane and Fighter Jets.

As for closing of airports. It's not his fault he needs beefed up security from Secret Service to protect him from nutters threatening to kill him.

And most of these costs are the same for Obama who would have had to pay for his own food and accommodation as well unless he went to Camp David as it's a U.S Government property.

I agree he needs Air Force One (fun fact, it's only Air Force One if the President is in it). I also know he isn't taking the Presidential salary but according to documents released whilst the Republicans were hunting down Obama's travel costs it's $200,000 a hour to fly Airforce One so it's rather negligible.

The point stands though that he is already racking up these costs when he seems to insist on flying to Florida for the weekend which he will have done 4 out of the 6 weekends he has been President which is hypocritical when he frequently, along with the Republicans, slagged off Obama for it. Unless he stops altogether he is going to greatly exceed Obama's travel costs and time away from the White House. If he continues at this rate it will be astronomically more.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887908)
Sky News are, check their headline in that link I gave above.

I find UK news organisations rather weak on American news. None of them are that good. The only passable ones were the weeklies (Economist, Spectator) as they are more about commentary and the FT as they have a specialised focus rather than a general appeal.

Mick 28-02-2017 23:09

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887910)
And most of these costs are the same for Obama who would have had to pay for his own food and accommodation as well unless he went to Camp David as it's a U.S Government property.

I agree he needs Air Force One (fun fact, it's only Air Force One if the President is in it). I also know he isn't taking the Presidential salary but according to documents released whilst the Republicans were hunting down Obama's travel costs it's $200,000 a hour to fly Airforce One so it's rather negligible.

The point stands though that he is already racking up these costs when he seems to insist on flying to Florida for the weekend which he will have done 4 out of the 6 weekends he has been President which is hypocritical when he frequently, along with the Republicans, slagged off Obama for it.

The point does not stand : I asked you if you had seen the invoices to his travel costs, you said no, you're basing your view on what some report says they think the costs are. They don't really know.

Also I see you're missing the point he is travelling to one of his properties so he won't have accommodation costs to pay, so not quite the same costs of Obama. So while yes, Obama would have racked up costs with Air Force One, he would also have to pay for the accommodation as well.

Maggy 01-03-2017 00:10

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281

Quote:

Republicans are lining up against President Donald Trump's proposed budget cuts to the State Department, hours before his address to Congress.
Quote:

It's not going to happen. It would be a disaster. If you take soft power off the table then you're never going to win the war," Senator Graham said.
Quote:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell also said Mr Trump's re
ported deep cuts to the State Department would "probably not" pass Congress.
The Republican-controlled Congress must approve any federal spending.
A tad worrying for Trump?

1andrew1 01-03-2017 00:44

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35887926)

I don't think so. Trump will say he tried to protect the country and invest in defence and infrastructure but the system wouldn't let him.
He's either
i) Not worked out how soft power works.
ii) Realised he won't get away with cuts in this area but appreciates he has everything to gain by pretending to try. In this way, he will be seen by his supporters as trying to save money in unnecessary areas and they'll be happy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887922)
The point does not stand : I asked you if you had seen the invoices to his travel costs, you said no, you're basing your view on what some report says they think the costs are. They don't really know.

Also I see you're missing the point he is travelling to one of his properties so he won't have accommodation costs to pay, so not quite the same costs of Obama. So while yes, Obama would have racked up costs with Air Force One, he would also have to pay for the accommodation as well.

No one's going to see the original invoices. ;) Heck, despite his promises, we've not even seen Trump's tax returns. Not that they've ever been relevant to anyone's skills as President.

You can't just knock everything back because the primary source is unavailable, that's impossibly unrealistic. You have to take what's available and take an informed view.

Damien 01-03-2017 06:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887922)
The point does not stand : I asked you if you had seen the invoices to his travel costs, you said no, you're basing your view on what some report says they think the costs are. They don't really know.

And nor did Trump when he criticized Obama. As I said it's hypocrisy. Besides we're reading if we literally have to see the invoices for spending ourselves to offer criticism. We can safety assume that decamping to his golf club isn't cheap.

Quote:

Also I see you're missing the point he is travelling to one of his properties so he won't have accommodation costs to pay, so not quite the same costs of Obama. So while yes, Obama would have racked up costs with Air Force One, he would also have to pay for the accommodation as well.
No I answered that. The first line. Obama would have had to pay for accommodation and food costs himself. Trump saves that because it's his property but it's his own money he saves.

ianch99 01-03-2017 08:56

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Trump's speech seems well received:

Presidential Trump

Damien 01-03-2017 09:12

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Everyone wondered if after he won he would pivot to be more statesman like. This might be the first sign of it. He looks also to be looking for a path for illegal migrants to become citizens, essentially the Obama proposal.

If he does indeed pivot away from his rhetoric and become a more normal President then that's encouraging, but let's see his actions first.

passingbat 01-03-2017 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35887942)
Trump's speech seems well received:

Presidential Trump

I thought it was a very good speech. What he said made perfect sense to me. I think the anti Trump posters on here should listen to the full speech.

It will be interesting to see how the BBC treats it.

Full speech here (starts 32 minute in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCeZvwXh_4c

heero_yuy 01-03-2017 09:17

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Yes. I listened to it on the World service. Very measured, not the usual rant style.

Mick 01-03-2017 09:44

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887936)
And nor did Trump when he criticized Obama. As I said it's hypocrisy. Besides we're reading if we literally have to see the invoices for spending ourselves to offer criticism.

Sorry, but I deal with hard facts first, not believe conjecture that's especially written by a left leaning, Anti-Trump entity, Politico.

Damien 01-03-2017 10:05

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887948)
Sorry, but I deal with hard facts first, not believe conjecture that's especially written by a left leaning, Anti-Trump entity, Politico.

Everything becomes a left-leaning, anti-Trump, entity as soon as they criticise him.

Anyway I suspect going forward it will be pointless to criticise Trump as we all know full well I'll never have direct access to the literal invoices billed to the U.S Government. I am not even sure how they even bill things like Air Force One. For that matter I won't have direct access to most U.S Government paperwork.

I will point out that this wasn't a standard applied to other Presidents. We've critised others based on leaks and news reports, few of us have direct access to the information, and when we were talking of Clinton's donations we didn't have direct links to the source material either.

ianch99 01-03-2017 10:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887953)
Everything becomes a left-leaning, anti-Trump, entity as soon as they criticise him.

Anyway I suspect going forward it will be pointless to criticise Trump as we all know full well I'll never have direct access to the literal invoices billed to the U.S Government. I am not even sure how they even bill things like Air Force One. For that matter I won't have direct access to most U.S Government paperwork.

I will point out that this wasn't a standard applied to other Presidents. We've critised others based on leaks and news reports, few of us have direct access to the information, and when we were talking of Clinton's donations we didn't have direct links to the source material either.

You mean all the "hard facts" concerning Hillary Clinton's "crimes" ;) ?

Osem 01-03-2017 10:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887953)
Everything becomes a left-leaning, anti-Trump, entity as soon as they criticise him.

Anyway I suspect going forward it will be pointless to criticise Trump as we all know full well I'll never have direct access to the literal invoices billed to the U.S Government. I am not even sure how they even bill things like Air Force One. For that matter I won't have direct access to most U.S Government paperwork.

I will point out that this wasn't a standard applied to other Presidents. We've critised others based on leaks and news reports, few of us have direct access to the information, and when we were talking of Clinton's donations we didn't have direct links to the source material either.

Maybe that's because they chose to criticise and often exaggerate virtually everything he's said and done in a clear attempt to demonise him and bring him down. He's well and truly had the Farage treatment - it didn't work here and it doesn't look like it's working there. I reckon that a great many Americans no longer believe what the hostile media has to say about Trump whether it's true or not.

pip08456 01-03-2017 10:42

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Talking of Nigel

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pac-ukip-video

1andrew1 01-03-2017 10:48

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump claim on terrorists originating abroad proved wrong by Cato Institute analysis

Trump's first address to Congress made the following false statement: "According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offences since 9/11 came here from outside of our country."

Reality: 40 were for foreigners planning a terrorist attack on US soil whilst those convictions for US-born citizens totalled 92, or more than double those from abroad.
Google "Trump claim on terrorists originating abroad undermined by data" subscription link https://www.ft.com/content/78d6953d-...0-5af221dde504

Mick 01-03-2017 11:13

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35887953)
Everything becomes a left-leaning, anti-Trump, entity as soon as they criticise him.

:mad:

That's bollocks, politico is well known for it's liberal agenda and I am damn well sure you know that, so don't try and cheapen the debate by making such sweeping statements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
when we were talking of Clinton's donations we didn't have direct links to the source material either.

No, we just had her hacked emails from the DNC, that was enough. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 01-03-2017 11:27

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887964)
:mad:
That's bollocks, politico is well known for it's liberal agenda and you damn well know that, so don't try and cheapen the debate by making such sweeping statements.

Politico has been endorsed by President Bush and Media Matters for America accused it of having a Republican tilt. So if others have accused it of being pro-Democrat then it's probably reasonably unbiased.

Mick 01-03-2017 12:00

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887968)
Politico has been endorsed by President Bush and Media Matters for America accused it of having a Republican tilt. So if others have accused it of being pro-Democrat then it's probably reasonably unbiased.

I am well aware of it's initial purpose and direction, but over the years, it has adopted a far more left leaning approach, so I do not take too kindly to it being said, oh 'It's against Trump so it must be immediately automatically left leaning.' Bollocks, it has not just changed it's stance overnight.

passingbat 01-03-2017 13:13

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887960)
Reality: 40 were for foreigners


So, do you think that is acceptable then?


It seems to me that in your attempt to nitpick the detail of the speech in order to attack Trump, you are missing the message glaring you in the face: Islamic terrorists are getting into the United States. Any President, not deluded by political correctness, will do all he can to stop even one entering the US.


Are you planning to watch the whole speech at any time?

Kursk 01-03-2017 13:39

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35887981)
So, do you think that is acceptable then?


It seems to me that in your attempt to nitpick the detail of the speech in order to attack Trump, you are missing the message glaring you in the face: Islamic terrorists are getting into the United States. Any President, not deluded by political correctness, will do all he can to stop even one entering the US.


Are you planning to watch the whole speech at any time?

You really musn't attack the person passingbat; even the deluded ones ;)

Btw, I agree with you that the President's speech was really good. He is showing his mettle after the initial furore of a frankly disrespectful media inc the beeb.

Mr K 01-03-2017 15:10

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35887964)
:mad:

That's bollocks, politico is well known for it's liberal agenda and I am damn well sure you know that, so don't try and cheapen the debate by making such sweeping statements.
:

Don't know about that, seems accurate to me. As for cheapening the debate, must say Damien is very patient and factual unlike some others ! Some posters and Trump supporters seem so one eyed, this thread is becoming a bit pointless.

Mick 01-03-2017 16:49

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888002)
Don't know about that, seems accurate to me. As for cheapening the debate, must say Damien is very patient and factual unlike some others ! Some posters and Trump supporters seem so one eyed, this thread is becoming a bit pointless.

You must fit in to the 'some others !' category then.

1andrew1 02-03-2017 13:57

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This is an interesting pro-Trump article from Michael J Boskin, professor of economics at Stanford University and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Puts the current state of the administration into perspective. Even PassingBat may approve of it if he disregards the headline ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/business...akes-president

Kursk 02-03-2017 14:08

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888158)
Even PassingBat may approve of it if he disregards the headline ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887866)
Always best for us forum members play the ball and not the man, old bean.

Sigh.

At last, a link with balance :)

passingbat 02-03-2017 14:43

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35888162)
Sigh.

At last, a link with balance :)


The Grauniad readers don't like it though. I know, that really is a shock! ;)


I think, with Trump, they are dealing with a different kind off President than the others mentioned. He has the Heartland of America behind him, and like Brexit supporters here, they have a tremendous passion and won't be happy if it is stopped by the establishment. Trumps brashness and bullishness is going to be important in this, and why I think is the man chosen for this time. Pushing through the agenda he has would not work under another leader.

Kursk 02-03-2017 19:39

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888167)
The Grauniad readers don't like it though. I know, that really is a shock! ;)


I think, with Trump, they are dealing with a different kind off President than the others mentioned. He has the Heartland of America behind him, and like Brexit supporters here, they have a tremendous passion and won't be happy if it is stopped by the establishment. Trumps brashness and bullishness is going to be important in this, and why I think is the man chosen for this time. Pushing through the agenda he has would not work under another leader.

Indeed! Exciting times :)

Hugh 02-03-2017 21:20

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39148114
Quote:

US Attorney General Jeff Sessions to step aside from FBI inquiry into alleged Russian meddling in US election

Mr K 02-03-2017 21:41

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
'Step aside', very good of him. He's outright lied about taking to the Russians. If he'd been a Democrat he'd have been in jail by now. Early days for the Donald but lies/corruption seem to be a consistent theme in his administration.

Mick 02-03-2017 22:17

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I have not seen no lies or corruption, you really need to get out of cuckoo land Mr K.

Sessions has done nothing wrong, even House Speaker Paul Ryan says the same : I find it hilarious this hypocrisy of the Democrats calling for him to go but not one of then uttered a word when Bill Clinton spoke with Obama's AG when he met with them on back of a plane, days before an FBI Investigation report into Hillary's private email server use was to be concluded.

martyh 03-03-2017 06:43

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888240)
I have not seen no lies or corruption, you really need to get out of cuckoo land Mr K.

Sessions has done nothing wrong, even House Speaker Paul Ryan says the same : I find it hilarious this hypocrisy of the Democrats calling for him to go but not one of then uttered a word when Bill Clinton spoke with Obama's AG when he met with them on back of a plane, days before an FBI Investigation report into Hillary's private email server use was to be concluded.

So you think that lying to congress is doing nothing wrong :rolleyes: ,even Republicans where telling him to recuse himself and Trump even tweeted that "He could have stated his response more accurately" (that must be Trump speak for "he shouldn't have lied his ass off")

Mick 03-03-2017 09:43

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35888252)
So you think that lying to congress is doing nothing wrong :rolleyes: ,even Republicans where telling him to recuse himself and Trump even tweeted that "He could have stated his response more accurately" (that must be Trump speak for "he shouldn't have lied his ass off")

I was not talking about that, I was talking about him having two separate discussions with a Russian Ambassador. He did not speak to them in a 'Campaign Capacity'. He is a Senator and it's apparently normal to engage with the Worlds various Countries Ambassadors from time to time.

Pierre 03-03-2017 10:50

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35888252)
So you think that lying to congress is doing nothing wrong :rolleyes: ,even Republicans where telling him to recuse himself and Trump even tweeted that "He could have stated his response more accurately" (that must be Trump speak for "he shouldn't have lied his ass off")

Blowing things a bit out of proportion aren't we.

He said that he meant that he hadn't seen the Russian Ambassador as part of the Trump presidential campaign.

Sessions met with the ambassador in an official capacity as a member of the Senate armed services committee

Quote:

While the committee was considering his nomination, the panel’s top Democrat, Senator Patrick Leahy, also raised the issue of communications with Russia in a written questionnaire.

“Several of the president-elect’s nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties,” Leahy wrote, before asking Sessions point-blank: “Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?”

“No,” Sessions responded.
He answered a very specific question.

1andrew1 03-03-2017 14:48

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
What could possibly go wrong? Trump continues to increase the size of the Washington swamp as he gives into the gun industry lobby.

Donald Trump axes Barack Obama rule stopping mentally ill people buying guns

RizzyKing 03-03-2017 15:08

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
It was bad legislation Andrew a number of my friends who are not rabid 2nd amendment supporters criticised it as being far too general in it's terms. I can't say i follow US politics that closely but over general terms was a thing obama did often and we can only wait and see what donald replaces it with as it is going to be replaced.

1andrew1 03-03-2017 15:34

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888309)
It was bad legislation Andrew a number of my friends who are not rabid 2nd amendment supporters criticised it as being far too general in it's terms. I can't say i follow US politics that closely but over general terms was a thing obama did often and we can only wait and see what donald replaces it with as it is going to be replaced.

Seems daft to repeal it with nothing in its place to prevent the mentally ill from buying heavy weaponry. This will not make me feel safer on my next trip to the States.

Mick 03-03-2017 15:46

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888305)
What could possibly go wrong? Trump continues to increase the size of the Washington swamp as he gives into the gun industry lobby.

Donald Trump axes Barack Obama rule stopping mentally ill people buying guns

If I recall that went to a vote and Some Democrats voted for it to be Axed as well / changed. I have said previously don't get the Gun obsession in The US but the gun lobby group in the US, NRA very powerful advocates of Second Amendment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/o...guns.html?_r=0

RizzyKing 03-03-2017 16:13

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The way the legislation was worded bought it directly into conflict with the 2nd amendment and many people were affected by it that had no mental impairment or any history of such. That's why it was voted out and will be replaced, it is never better to leave a lousy law in place till a better one is available and there are additional laws in the firearms process that will cover everyone in the meantime.

Hugh 03-03-2017 16:19

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35888275)
Blowing things a bit out of proportion aren't we.

He said that he meant that he hadn't seen the Russian Ambassador as part of the Trump presidential campaign.

Sessions met with the ambassador in an official capacity as a member of the Senate armed services committee



He answered a very specific question.

So why didn't he say that? He could have avoided all this furore if he had just said he only met with Russians twice as part of his Senate role.

(unfortunately, when he met with the Russian Ambassador at the GOP Convention, he claimed expenses from his campaign funds, rather than his Senate expenses...)

Mick 03-03-2017 17:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888327)
So why didn't he say that? He could have avoided all this furore

(unfortunately, when he met with the Russian Ambassador at the GOP Convention, he claimed expenses from his campaign funds, rather than his Senate expenses...)

There is no furore just petty loser Democrats throwing a hissy fit because their lame duck candidate that they was so convinced was going to win, lost in grand style and thank goodness she lost ! Nothing to see here move along. :rolleyes:

martyh 03-03-2017 18:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888335)
There is no furore just petty loser Democrats throwing a hissy fit because their lame duck candidate that they was so convinced was going to win, lost in grand style and thank goodness she lost ! Nothing to see here move along. :rolleyes:

It was the republicans that said he had to recuse himself because he lied to congress .The Democrats want his ass in jail.

---------- Post added at 18:03 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35888275)
Blowing things a bit out of proportion aren't we.

He said that he meant that he hadn't seen the Russian Ambassador as part of the Trump presidential campaign.

Sessions met with the ambassador in an official capacity as a member of the Senate armed services committee



He answered a very specific question.

No 'we' aren't 'we' are simply reading what the Republicans have said he is guilty of .Even they can see the bloke has lied his ass off to cover himself

Osem 03-03-2017 18:06

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888335)
There is no furore just petty loser Democrats throwing a hissy fit because their lame duck candidate that they was so convinced was going to win, lost in grand style and thank goodness she lost ! Nothing to see here move along. :rolleyes:

I tend to agree. The 'furore' seems to be largely media driven right now in just the same way so many doom, gloom and despair ridden headlines following the referendum were when virtually anything bad which happened or might happen was being attributed to Brexit. In all honesty, the jury's still out on Trump for me but no amount of social media bile and news media bilge is going to change that.

Mick 03-03-2017 18:18

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35888338)
It was the republicans that said he had to recuse himself because he lied to congress .The Democrats want his ass in jail.

Throwing an innocent man in jail, jeez the Democrats really have sank to new lows... My point still stands, they are sore losers doing their utmost to unpick Trump's Administration because there is sod all else they can do, they hold a Minority in both chambers of Congress and they lost the White House.

---------- Post added at 18:18 ---------- Previous post was at 18:11 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888341)
In all honesty, the jury's still out on Trump for me but no amount of social media bile and news media bilge is going to change that.

This is just it, if you drown out the noise and don't follow the media like lost sheep, it is easy to look at things from your own perspective and research. Too many people look to the media as if it's the spoken gospel. As we know, it isn't. They have an agenda and many people who really have no opinion on Trump either way, are seeing the media for what it is.

Mr K 03-03-2017 18:37

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888344)
Throwing an innocent man in jail, jeez the Democrats really have sank to new lows... My point still stands, they are sore losers doing their utmost to unpick Trump's Administration because there is sod all else they can do, they hold a Minority in both chambers of Congress and they lost the White House.

---------- Post added at 18:18 ---------- Previous post was at 18:11 ----------



This is just it, if you drown out the noise and don't follow the media like lost sheep, it is easy to look at things from your own perspective and research. Too many people look to the media as if it's the spoken gospel. As we know, it isn't. They have an agenda and many people who really have no opinion on Trump either way, are seeing the media for what it is.

Ah the gospel according to President Trump ! Everyone that says anything different is fake, every bit of negative news is fake, all those women made up those rude stories about him are fake... Even for the Americans that's going to wear thin soon, it already is for many Republicans. He's in it thick with the Russians and everyone knows it. It'll be his own party that will do for him in the not too distant future.

Mick 03-03-2017 18:41

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888353)
Ah the gospel according to President Trump ! Everyone that says anything different is fake, every bit of negative news is fake, all those women made up those rude stories about him are fake... Even for the Americans that's going to wear thin soon, it already is for many Republicans. He's in it thick with the Russians and everyone knows it. It'll be his own party that will do for him in the not too distant future.

Still residing in cuckoo land Mr K esp. with all that nonsense you just said. :rolleyes:

Osem 03-03-2017 18:50

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888354)
Still residing in cuckoo land Mr K esp. with all that nonsense you just said. :rolleyes:

It's a recurring theme I'm afraid.

Ramrod 03-03-2017 18:51

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35887651)
Why are you so consistently hostile? Do you really want a forum where everyone just posts self-congratulatory right-wing opinions?

God no. I would however be a little happier if liberals and left wingers actually accepted the blame for their mistakes.

Quote:

As far as I can see Pie is not a real person, just a work of Satire. He is not my "friend" :) although I do agree (with "him") that Clinton was a monumental mistake and that Sanders was the best opponent for Trump.
But not the bit where he explained how liberals have closed down debate? :D

passingbat 03-03-2017 19:25

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888353)
He's in it thick with the Russians and everyone knows it .


As of yesterday, there is no evidence to support your assertion. None


3 minutes in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXSebf8ERxQ


Investigations are on going, so it surely would be better to wait a while before making unsubstantiated accusations. You may be right. You may be wrong; I don't know, but at the moment they are merely your personal views, not facts.

Osem 03-03-2017 20:49

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35888360)
God no. I would however be a little happier if liberals and left wingers actually accepted the blame for their mistakes.

But not the bit where he explained how liberals have closed down debate? :D

But Corbyn has accepted responsibility...

... by staying put. :rolleyes:

RizzyKing 03-03-2017 21:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Until there is an acceptence by the liberal left that their agenda is not the only way and that there are many more losers then winners these political shocks will continue. People have had enough of globalisation and they are tired of being left behind and disadvantaged by a process they neither want or support and the most interesting point of it is how spectacularly the usual media tactics have backfired. What's even worse is rather then realise their mistake they just continue with the same tactics and are intensifying the doom aspect of it completely unaware seemingly that far from bringing people round they are actually alienating even more. Trump is a symbol of the problem not the cause and unlikely the solution but if things don't change there will be more shocks delivered by a growing fed up group of people.

Pierre 03-03-2017 21:22

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888327)
So why didn't he say that? He could have avoided all this furore if he had just said he only met with Russians twice as part of his Senate

You'd have to ask him.

---------- Post added at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35888338)
No 'we' aren't 'we' are simply reading what the Republicans have said he is guilty of .Even they can see the bloke has lied his ass off to cover himself

You like this " lied his ass off" line, is this your new catchphrase?

---------- Post added at 21:22 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888344)
This is just it, if you drown out the noise and don't follow the media like lost sheep

I haven't seen any evidence of this on this forum it just wouldn't be very smart, you'd have to be pretty blinkered and ignorant.

Like I say, haven't seen it on here.

papa smurf 03-03-2017 21:47

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35888402)
You'd have to ask him.

---------- Post added at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------



You like this " lied his ass off" line, is this your new catchphrase?

---------- Post added at 21:22 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------



I haven't seen any evidence of this on this forum it just wouldn't be very smart, you'd have to be pretty blinkered and ignorant.

Like I say, haven't seen it on here.

why aye man:tu:

martyh 03-03-2017 22:57

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35888402)
You'd have to ask him.

---------- Post added at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------



You like this " lied his ass off" line, is this your new catchphrase?

---------- Post added at 21:22 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------



I haven't seen any evidence of this on this forum it just wouldn't be very smart, you'd have to be pretty blinkered and ignorant.

Like I say, haven't seen it on here.

The only blinkered and ignorant people are Trump fanboys like you.You have just proven again what an immature child you are

Pierre 03-03-2017 23:08

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
47 year old immature child, I'll take that.

Better than a 52 year old...................................well, yes, just better than a 52 year old.

Kursk 04-03-2017 00:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35888416)
The only blinkered and ignorant people are Trump fanboys like you.You have just proven again what an immature child you are

Come on martyh cheer up, it's only a bit of fun :angel:.

pip08456 04-03-2017 11:17

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
For those still thinkong Trump was wrong about Sweden should have a listen to this. I may not agree with all her views but she has a point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hR8...ature=youtu.be

passingbat 04-03-2017 12:53

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35888459)
For those still thinkong Trump was wrong about Sweden should have a listen to this. I may not agree with all her views but she has a point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hR8...ature=youtu.be

Similar video here from a UK journalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqDPAVK1yO0&t=147s

papa smurf 04-03-2017 13:02

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888486)
Similar video here from a UK journalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqDPAVK1yO0&t=147s

it's just a hand grenade in a bin :shrug: if you make a fuss the femtards attack you utopia my arse .

pip08456 04-03-2017 13:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888486)
Similar video here from a UK journalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqDPAVK1yO0&t=147s

For those who wish to read the UN report on Sweden To Become A Third World Country By 2030. there's a link in the article.

Mr Banana 04-03-2017 13:21

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump claiming Obama tapped his wires. No mention of a source though?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89835818287106

Mick 04-03-2017 13:23

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump's latest tweet indicates that he just found out, Obama tapped his phone and Trump Tower prior to Election. Says this is Nixon/Watergate equivalent.

nomadking 04-03-2017 13:27

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35888488)
it's just a hand grenade in a bin :shrug: if you make a fuss the femtards attack you utopia my arse .

Link
Quote:

An eight-year-old boy has been killed after a grenade was thrown into a flat in the Swedish city of Gothenburg, police said.
...
The fatal shooting in March 2015 was part of a vendetta within Gothenburg's Somali community, police said.
Men armed with automatic weapons burst into a Biskopsgarden pub, gunning down a man known to police and an innocent bystander in a spray of bullets.
...
Local newspaper Goteborgs-Posten said the pub shooting was the culmination of violent incidents between rival drugs gangs.
...
Over the course of the summer, cars have been set alight on an almost nightly basis in some neighbourhoods.
2015
Quote:

In a keynote summer speech in Vasaparken in Stockholm, Swedish prime minister and Social Democratic leader Stefan Löfven took a hard line against the recent spate of crime and violence in Sweden - what he called “the summer of unrest”.
“Our society has been marked by horrific acts of violence recently”, said Löfven.
“Although statistics show that security has increased and that crime against individuals has decreased in the last 10 years, we cannot have organized crime that terrifies families.”
He spoke specifically about the summer grenade attacks in Malmö, and directed a special message to residents of the city in southern Sweden.

Mr Banana 04-03-2017 13:34

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888493)
Trump's latest tweet indicates that he just found out, Obama tapped his phone and Trump Tower prior to Election. Says this is Nixon/Watergate equivalent.

The responses to his tweet are hilarious
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...96746236182529

pip08456 04-03-2017 13:37

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888493)
Trump's latest tweet indicates that he just found out, Obama tapped his phone and Trump Tower prior to Election. Says this is Nixon/Watergate equivalent.

Quote:

Mr Trump did not offer any evidence to support his claims, while Mr Obama has not responded.
Until he supplies evidence...

Hugh 04-03-2017 13:39

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888492)
Trump claiming Obama tapped his wires. No mention of a source though?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...89835818287106


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39167110
Quote:

Media reports in the last few weeks have suggested the FBI had sought a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance court (Fisa) last summer in order to monitor members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials.

The warrant was first turned down but then approved in October, according to the media reports.

There has been no official confirmation and it is also not clear if this evolved into a full investigation.
Don't know if we can trust this, as it's from the BBC....

pip08456 04-03-2017 13:43

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888498)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39167110 Don't know if we can trust this, as it's from the BBC....

TBH I wouldn't be surprised, as has been revealed already some of Trumps men had been in contact with Russians in one form of another. It could be just an extention of that.

Hugh 04-03-2017 14:03

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Prolly got his info from Breitbart - is there someone in the WH who has connections there?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dermine-trump/


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