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1andrew1 14-09-2016 01:11
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Liberty Global confirms that it will base its next Horizon box on the V6.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/...n-horizon-box/

bubblegun 14-09-2016 04:37
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859113)
While not instant 20 seconds really isn't that long to wait.

Remember the hardware in the VM TiVo is now over 5 years old. So its never going to be ultra fast.

I personally don't think that a few seconds access time really counts as a wide spread nationwide issue.
Fundamentally, the Sky+HD hardware is 6 years old too (first DRX890's came out in 2010 - there are older models but this is essentially the model still used today) but it hasn't slowed down to the extent that TIVO boxes have in a similar time frame.

The TIVO box app idea seemed great at the time (and it was much faster at the time!) but a more integrated system like Sky use would probably have been better in the long term. Most people I know say the TIVO on-demand apps are painfully slow to load and then often don't work anyway.

denphone 14-09-2016 07:10
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859113)
While not instant 20 seconds really isn't that long to wait.

Remember the hardware in the VM TiVo is now over 5 years old. So its never going to be ultra fast.

I personally don't think that a few seconds access time really counts as a wide spread nationwide issue.
That is the way l see it as well.

dodgem22 14-09-2016 08:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859113)
While not instant 20 seconds really isn't that long to wait.

Remember the hardware in the VM TiVo is now over 5 years old. So its never going to be ultra fast.

I personally don't think that a few seconds access time really counts as a wide spread nationwide issue.
The point is before the update it was faster. Surely the point of updating the software is to improve things not make them worse.

20 seconds or so might not seem a long time to you but to me it is. (20 seconds is an estimate I havent actually timed it but its slow) Friends have commented on it and said the same and they would not consider Virgin for tv for this reason. They have Sky. Now apps thats another matter as I have said before I do not bother with the Tivo for apps as talking minutes to load not seconds but I have much faster means for apps in my Tvs hardware

The hardware may be five years old but as bills continue to rise I would expect performance to advance not go backwards as bubblegun said sky+ hardware is 6 years old to but hasnt slowed down the box just cannot cope with what Virgin want it to do perhaps if they just concentrated on it being a PVr , provided a dynamic epg and did away with the apps it would be faster but I appreciate some customers may have no other way of getting the apps.

jb66 14-09-2016 08:37
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgem22 (Post 35859127)
The point is before the update it was faster. Surely the point of updating the software is to improve things not make them worse.

20 seconds or so might not seem a long time to you but to me it is. (20 seconds is an estimate I havent actually timed it but its slow) Friends have commented on it and said the same and they would not consider Virgin for tv for this reason. They have Sky. Now apps thats another matter as I have said before I do not bother with the Tivo for apps as talking minutes to load not seconds but I have much faster means for apps in my Tvs hardware

The hardware may be five years old but as bills continue to rise I would expect performance to advance not go backwards as bubblegun said sky+ hardware is 6 years old to but hasnt slowed down the box just cannot cope with what Virgin want it to do perhaps if they just concentrated on it being a PVr , provided a dynamic epg and did away with the apps it would be faster but I appreciate some customers may have no other way of getting the apps.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Stephen 14-09-2016 08:55
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Sky+ HD software isn't nearly as complex as TiVo in terms of what it tries to do and while performance for some appears sluggish, mine has not got any worse since the update.

I never use on Demand and have suggestions turned off and never use the apps either, and it seems ok to me. However as they try to add new features and what not to TiVo then as the hardware can't seem to handle it, it will get slower. Thats probably why all those apps Cindy Rose mentioned never appeared.

Iuse another stb for my Netflix and On Demand as its so much faster.

passingbat 14-09-2016 09:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859129)
Sky+ HD software isn't nearly as complex as TiVo in terms of what it tries to do
.
Precisely


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859129)
I never use on Demand and have suggestions turned off and never use the apps either, and it seems ok to me. However as they try to add new features and what not to TiVo then as the hardware can't seem to handle it, it will get slower. Thats probably why all those apps Cindy Rose mentioned never appeared. .
Summed up well

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859129)
I use another stb for my Netflix and On Demand as its so much faster.

I do the same, and what I've been suggesting people do for ages.

dodgem22 14-09-2016 10:27
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I do the same to I use my Tvs hardware for netflix and catch up. I dont use suggestions.

I agree the Sky + software is not as complex and that is the core of the problem you would not expect an old computer to run windows 10 but Virgin are trying to get their old Tivo to run software it really is not designed to cope with thats why I feel it would be better in hindsight if they had just focused on it being a 3 tuner PVR as you say Stephen if all the apps Cindy Rose mentioned had come the boxes would imo grind to a halt.

I accept that for some people the Tivo speed may be acceptable but for me and my family and friends we all feel it is sluggish and worse so since the update. Other forums to are awash with people of the same opinion, albeit a few who disagree to.

Stephen 14-09-2016 10:45
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I think if VM had just offered the standard TiVo software then the boxes hardware could have coped fine, however VM have had the TiVo UI and background stuff so heavily modified and customised that perhaps that was their problem.

mike_gain 14-09-2016 13:39
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgem22 (Post 35859134)
I do the same to I use my Tvs hardware for netflix and catch up. I dont use suggestions.

I agree the Sky + software is not as complex and that is the core of the problem you would not expect an old computer to run windows 10 but Virgin are trying to get their old Tivo to run software it really is not designed to cope with thats why I feel it would be better in hindsight if they had just focused on it being a 3 tuner PVR as you say Stephen if all the apps Cindy Rose mentioned had come the boxes would imo grind to a halt.

I accept that for some people the Tivo speed may be acceptable but for me and my family and friends we all feel it is sluggish and worse so since the update. Other forums to are awash with people of the same opinion, albeit a few who disagree to.
I don't entirely buy the argument that the hardware can't now support the software it's being asked to run unless we consider that the software (or the platform it's been developed upon) is a bag of spanners.

The Roku LT isn't exactly cutting edge but that's what all my Now TV boxes are base on and I have no issue with them displaying lists and loading on demand apps (e.g. iPlayer).

To my mind the instability of the box and noticable lag started with the "Plum" update when they moved to using Haxe. Whether it is because this release allowed more apps to be deployed and they dodgy apps and their libraries are eating into resources or whether it's just since the Plum update the software isn't so reliable I don't know but I don't think asking a computer to display a list of recordings is asking too much, irrespective of the age of the technology. it used to work fine why not now?

Then we have the delay when pressing "Play". Are were really claiming that has now become too much for the hardware. Other than the addition of some apps what has really been done that needs such a boost in hardware?

I lost my confidence in the team working on the VM Tivo software quite a while ago and even with a new box that'll just give them more resources to chew up. I really do love the TiVo features (specifically the auto clash resolution....which Sky Q doesn't seem to have as I asked them) but they're going to be out of the game soon, they don't update their software enough and are being left behind.

muppetman11 22-09-2016 13:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35859105)
Until we know what functionality the new Tivo brings, it is premature to say that Sky Q is better; it may be, but we simply don't know that at this stage.
Its worth bearing in mind that Sky Q comes in two offerings the 1TB box is now the standard offering for new customers joining Sky the exception being those who can't have Q owing to their communal system not being updated.

nialli 22-09-2016 14:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Here’s a suggestion for those who are struggling with their TiVo boxes post the recent software change:
I have no big issues with the speed of my TiVo. My main box is a 1Tb Samsung but it is a recent replacement after my previous one had developed disc problems. That means I have only Series Links and Wish Lists from the last few weeks, no Favourite Channels and I’m not currently using Suggestions. My disc is only around 25% full at the moment. And guess what? The box works fine for me - it’s not as zippy as the Now TV box but it is not noticeably slow either.
If you have a TiVo that’s incredibly lethargic and are okay to sacrifice your existing recordings (you’ll lose your recordings if you leave VM anyway of course) it may be worth reformatting the TiVo’s disc and seeing how it performs before jumping ship. Not a permanent solution, but it may sort things out for you until the new TiVo arrives for your consideration.

bolgerp 22-09-2016 14:46
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
You can turn suggestions off???

nialli 22-09-2016 15:00
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Home>Settings>Recordings>Suggestions
Change to 'Don't Record Suggestions'

GrimUpNorth 22-09-2016 16:08
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
In Poland ATM and while Mrs G was looking at some shoes (:shocked:), I had a chat with the bloke on the UPC stand. Their version of the V6 was on display and first impressions was it's a bit of a chunky beast - maybe 10" square and around 3 or 4" tall. If the TiVo software runs as well as the Horizon offering all will be well. The demo box he had was super smooth and very responsive. Shame as we're still thinking of moving to Sky Q.

Cheers

Grim

RichardCoulter 22-09-2016 23:55
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgem22 (Post 35859088)
They said widespread to me but refering to speed/responsiveness of box issues not being confined to one geographical area
Ditto.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859113)
While not instant 20 seconds really isn't that long to wait.

Remember the hardware in the VM TiVo is now over 5 years old. So its never going to be ultra fast.

I personally don't think that a few seconds access time really counts as a wide spread nationwide issue.
I do, having to wait 20 seconds for it to load my shows and another 20 seconds to start playing is a major irritant and inconvenience.

A night watching TV constantly watching a black screen or spinning circle just isn't good enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35859136)
I think if VM had just offered the standard TiVo software then the boxes hardware could have coped fine, however VM have had the TiVo UI and background stuff so heavily modified and customised that perhaps that was their problem.
I suspect that this is the case.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35859153)
...but they're going to be out of the game soon, they don't update their software enough and are being left behind.
Exactly.

Some seem to try to defend the TiVo performance by saying that it's 5/6 years old, but this is a part of the actual problem!

And Denphone, I don't "hate" VM, I hate the performance of the TiVo :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by oibaldy (Post 83996220)
Had an engineer round as half my TIVO functions were not working. Once he had sorted them out, I mentioned about how slow my box was. He said that a couple of weeks ago, they were getting no end of call-outs and swapping slow boxes before something got flagged up that it was a widespread problem which they then linked to the last update. He claimed that they were working on a fix and would not swap any more boxes, since it was pointless, but also claimed the new box would be out in a couple of months. On launch, it will have 6 tuners, but has the potential for double figures (I think he said 14, but at that point I was trying to work out who would even need 6!)

At least I know it's not just my box that is slow, despite what some forum members claim :)
If this is correct, I wonder how they would increase the number of tuners?? Perhaps they are in there, but not activated?? Maybe a hardware upgrade to the box??

AIUI, the new box will have 7 tuners; 6 to record from and 1 to facilitate delay TV.

If they can somehow double the number of tuners, the extra one may be created by allowing the delay TV tuner to be used as a permanent recording tuner (as is the case now).

I don't think that 6 tuners is excessive, in fact this is the only reason why I haven't left VM as I don't think that any other box has this (apart from Sky who I don't want to use if I can help it).

If you are recording from the main 5 channels at peak time and something from one or two of the pay channels 6 tuners would be very useful.

It means less clashes, more HD recordings, less having to record the next available showing, which in turn leads to even less clashes!

Hopefully, this would enable me to turn padding back on.

Horizon 22-09-2016 23:57
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860113)
I do, having to wait 20 seconds for it to load my shows and another 20 seconds to start playing is a major irritant and inconvenience.

A night watching TV constantly watching a black screen or spinning circle just isn't good enough:
Indeed, especially when paying a premium for the "service."

I wouldn't be happy if that happened on Freeview, but at least its free. We all pay a lot for cable.

Re, the amount of tuners, this may not be so important if VM launch some kind of cloud based service. But as always, its in the details. Talking of which, I'm surprised so close to launch, that there hasn't been more leaks yet about what we can expect from VM's "new" service.

RichardCoulter 23-09-2016 04:43
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I totally agree with you.

I received my price increase letter today.

It said that I have until 31/10/16 to cancel. The new TiVo is said to be due out in November, so I'm hoping that prices, performance & specifications are out (officially or leaked) by then.

OLD BOY 23-09-2016 08:57
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35860120)
Indeed, especially when paying a premium for the "service."

I wouldn't be happy if that happened on Freeview, but at least its free. We all pay a lot for cable.

Re, the amount of tuners, this may not be so important if VM launch some kind of cloud based service. But as always, its in the details. Talking of which, I'm surprised so close to launch, that there hasn't been more leaks yet about what we can expect from VM's "new" service.
I expect they will keep details of the new Tivo hush hush until the last possible moment to prevent Sky from stealing a march on them.

If the box is out in November, I will be really happy. My hard drive is starting to give up the ghost and I want to get the new box to replace it.

BenMcr 23-09-2016 10:43
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860113)
AIUI, the new box will have 7 tuners; 6 to record from and 1 to facilitate delay TV.

If they can somehow double the number of tuners, the extra one may be created by allowing the delay TV tuner to be used as a permanent recording tuner (as is the case now).
Just as a bit of clarification, TiVo as a system has no concept of a dedicated tuner for any purpose.

No matter how many tuners the box may or may not have, all tuners will be available to either record, watch live TV or view non-app based VoD, in the same way as the current TiVo box works.

1andrew1 23-09-2016 10:50
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860141)
I totally agree with you.

I received my price increase letter today.

It said that I have until 31/10/16 to cancel. The new TiVo is said to be due out in November, so I'm hoping that prices, performance & specifications are out (officially or leaked) by then.
Ultimately, it makes sense for you to stay with VM till your landline saver expires in March. Then the new box will have been launched, there may be better deals around due to the increased competition between VM and Sky and any bugs in the box wiil have been highlighted and resolved. When the box launches, like Sky Q it will probably be sold at a higher price for early adopters but will then become cheaper and mainstream.

denphone 23-09-2016 11:29
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860151)
I expect they will keep details of the new Tivo hush hush until the last possible moment to prevent Sky from stealing a march on them.

If the box is out in November, I will be really happy. My hard drive is starting to give up the ghost and I want to get the new box to replace it.
Rumour has it and l state rumour that it is a pretty impressive machine but then again others will probably think given the problems with the current TiVo that it is another pile of poo.

OLD BOY 23-09-2016 14:42
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35860162)
Just as a bit of clarification, TiVo as a system has no concept of a dedicated tuner for any purpose.

No matter how many tuners the box may or may not have, all tuners will be available to either record, watch live TV or view non-app based VoD, in the same way as the current TiVo box works.
Strange, that. One would have thought that a tuner would be reserved for 'on demand' viewing. I have lost track of the number of times I've been watching something from on demand and then get a dialogue box come up to say the box needs the tuner for recording.

It puts you off using it, and now I get into Catch Up only through my smart TV. I haven't seen any of the Virgin exclusives so far for that very reason.

BenMcr 23-09-2016 14:51
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I'm probably not completely accurate here, but I believe the reason it needs a tuner is that the On Demand system creates an temporary channel for the box to tune to so that you can watch the program.

This doesn't apply for the app based VoD on TiVo where the feed comes from the broadband connection (the same as your Smart TV)

RichardCoulter 23-09-2016 14:52
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I agree and rarely use VOD via the TiVo for the same reason as well as it making the box unusable due to the long delays.

passingbat 23-09-2016 17:17
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860202)
Strange, that. One would have thought that a tuner would be reserved for 'on demand' viewing. I have lost track of the number of times I've been watching something from on demand and then get a dialogue box come up to say the box needs the tuner for recording.

It puts you off using it, and now I get into Catch Up only through my smart TV. I haven't seen any of the Virgin exclusives so far for that very reason.


Not having them allocated makes more sense to me. If one was dedicated solely to On Demand, then when on demand is not being watched, you have more tuners available for live recordings.

OLD BOY 23-09-2016 17:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860228)
Not having them allocated makes more sense to me. If one was dedicated solely to On Demand, then when on demand is not being watched, you have more tuners available for live recordings.
Yes, I get that, but the fact that there is not a dedicated tuner for on demand programmes puts you off using it.

blue666666 23-09-2016 19:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
is there any new news on the v6 like launch date or specs of the box we know it can do 4k

denphone 23-09-2016 19:53
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
The best thing to do is watch this space....

Bananaman_007 24-09-2016 23:04
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
According to the VM contact centre advisor i talked to today in order to use the new box you must have the Superhub 3 anybody know why that may be?

jb66 25-09-2016 01:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35860391)
According to the VM contact centre advisor i talked to today in order to use the new box you must have the Superhub 3 anybody know why that may be?
You need a superhub 2 or 3 and on at least 100meg BB due to the fact the new v6 tivo doesn't have a built in modem

Bananaman_007 25-09-2016 15:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
He was adament that superhub 3 was required, he hinted he was testing one of the new boxes and in order to do that had to change to the superhub 3. But of course this could all have been a ruse to get me to upgrade my modem.

passingbat 25-09-2016 15:56
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860229)
Yes, I get that, but the fact that there is not a dedicated tuner for on demand programmes puts you off using it.

That, I just don't get.

Stephen 25-09-2016 16:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Why do you need a tuner for on demand? I always thought as it was a streamed service it dodnt actually need a tuner anyway.

As you can record three things and still watch on demand.

RichardCoulter 25-09-2016 16:25
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
If you try to watch VOD when all 3 tuners are in use, it asks if you want to stop one of the recordings to do so. If you tell it to carry on as it was, you can't use VOD.

Is there an easy way to know if the box is using the VOD system or an app?

Is the new box not having its own modem a good or a bad thing? :confused:

OLD BOY 25-09-2016 16:47
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35860465)
Why do you need a tuner for on demand? I always thought as it was a streamed service it dodnt actually need a tuner anyway.

As you can record three things and still watch on demand.
Er - have you actually tried out that theory, Stephen?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860469)
If you try to watch VOD when all 3 tuners are in use, it asks if you want to stop one of the recordings to do so. If you tell it to carry on as it was, you can't use VOD.
That's right, Richard.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860462)
That, I just don't get.
It is annoying to have something you are watching interrupted by a dialogue box saying that it needs to use a tuner and then you have to remember to watch the rest at a later date.

This is not the case with apps such as the I-player or Netflix, of course.

passingbat 25-09-2016 17:19
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860471)


It is annoying to have something you are watching interrupted by a dialogue box saying that it needs to use a tuner and then you have to remember to watch the rest at a later date.

This is not the case with apps such as the I-player or Netflix, of course.


Given that you know that if you have all 3 tuners active at a given time, OD won't be available to watch at that time. Therefore, simply choose another time to watch the OD show.


Don't limit the availability of three recordable tuners, when the solution to your problem is a simple one.

martyh 25-09-2016 17:53
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860480)
Given that you know that if you have all 3 tuners active at a given time, OD won't be available to watch at that time. Therefore, simply choose another time to watch the OD show.


Don't limit the availability of three recordable tuners, when the solution to your problem is a simple one.
Or get something with 12 tuners and call it Q :D

OLD BOY 25-09-2016 18:19
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860480)
Given that you know that if you have all 3 tuners active at a given time, OD won't be available to watch at that time. Therefore, simply choose another time to watch the OD show.


Don't limit the availability of three recordable tuners, when the solution to your problem is a simple one.
Well, given that I don't start viewing until about 8.30 pm and the three tuners are normally I use between 9 and 11 pm, this doesn't work for me. The three tuners are used because they are recording programmes I want to see and so limiting my recordings is not really what I want to do.

passingbat 25-09-2016 18:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860490)
Well, given that I don't start viewing until about 8.30 pm and the three tuners are normally I use between 9 and 11 pm, this doesn't work for me. The three tuners are used because they are recording programmes I want to see and so limiting my recordings is not really what I want to do.

Reducing your recordable tuners to two would make your problems worse. OD can be watched any time; scheduled shows have limited recording opportunities.


Your plan would cause more problems than you want it to solve.


Have you thought of looking at your planned recordings list before starting to watch an OD show?

OLD BOY 25-09-2016 18:41
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860480)
Given that you know that if you have all 3 tuners active at a given time, OD won't be available to watch at that time. Therefore, simply choose another time to watch the OD show.


Don't limit the availability of three recordable tuners, when the solution to your problem is a simple one.
Well, given that I don't start viewing until about 8.30 pm and the three tuners are normally in use between 9 and 11 pm, this doesn't work for me. The three tuners are used because they are recording programmes I want to see and so limiting my recordings is not really what I want to do.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860492)
Reducing your recordable tuners to two would make your problems worse. OD can be watched any time; scheduled shows have limited recording opportunities.


Your plan would cause more problems than you want it to solve.


Have you thought of looking at your planned recordings list before starting to watch an OD show?
I was talking about the new TiVo. I appreciate that two tuners would be worse than what we have now, but if we had 6, with one of them reserved for on demand, that would work for me.

passingbat 25-09-2016 19:05
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860493)
Well, given that I don't start viewing until about 8.30 pm and the three tuners are normally in use between 9 and 11 pm, this doesn't work for me. The three tuners are used because they are recording programmes I want to see and so limiting my recordings is not really what I want to do.

.

You can check planned recordings at any time, even the day before when you start your TV viewing, or online. You seem to want to reduce the amount of recordable tuners, when there is no need to do so; a two minute check of planned recordings will solve your problem.

OLD BOY 25-09-2016 19:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35860497)
You can check planned recordings at any time, even the day before when you start your TV viewing, or online. You seem to want to reduce the amount of recordable tuners, when there is no need to do so; a two minute check of planned recordings will solve your problem.
This is no good for me as I would not be able to record everything that I wanted to watch. I am arguing for the new Tivo to have a dedicated tuner as this will be an encouragement to viewers to access on demand. I do acknowledge that with 6 tuners available, this problem is unlikely to arise very often.

passingbat 25-09-2016 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860501)
This is no good for me as I would not be able to record everything that I wanted to watch. .

With one less recordable tuner (the one dedicated to OD) you'd have even less chance! Your point makes no sense to me. The answer seems simple to me; you watch OD content when you have a tuner free, which is easy to check by looking at the planned recordings list

Chrysalis 25-09-2016 23:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
If this is like skyq I wonder if this can be seen as impolite wifi behaviour by both companies, houses having multiple wifi transmitters possible also all transmitting on different channels could be seen as been greedy on the spectrum. I think the skyq is bad for that reason.

Stephen 26-09-2016 01:00
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I haven't checked but they may all use the same channel when boosting the signal.

OLD BOY 26-09-2016 18:33
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Given the slow performance issues with the existing Tivo box, I think it would help Virgin Media's reputation if they did the same as Sky as reported in this article.

It would be good if they could also do a deal for existing customers currently experiencing problems with their Tivos.

http://www.a516digital.com/2016/09/s...y-default.html

Sky Q by default

Sky is planning to make its recently launched SkyQ box the default receiver for new subscribers, with the older Sky+ service only made available in a reduced number of circumstances.

It comes as no surprise that Sky is moving new subscribers towards SkyQ, as it has made no secret that it wants to move away from its base of older Sky boxes, including those boxes that can only receive standard definition services.

Under the plans, all new Sky subscribers will be offered a 1TB SkyQ box as standard, with an option to use the older Sky+ only available under limited circumstances, such as when a subscriber has to use a communal satellite dish that hasn't got a SkyQ LNB, otherwise it won't be possible for new subscribers to choose a non-SkyQ box.

The default SkyQ box offered to customers will lack full functionality, unless an additional fee of £12 a month is paid, which would enable multiscreen streaming and access to Sky UHD. An upgrade to a 2TB Sky Q box will also be available.

For existing subscribers, nothing changes, although a voluntary option to upgrade to SkyQ is available. New subscribers to Sky are still being offered the choice of either Sky+ or SkyQ; an exact date for the switch to SkyQ hasn't been publicised.

RichardCoulter 27-09-2016 16:08
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
That would be an excellent idea for VM to adopt.

BenMcr 27-09-2016 16:27
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I'm not quite sure why it warranted a whole news item about it for Sky Q.

It's pretty much a given that any new kit will come the default after period of time. For Virgin Media it's the same as the existing TiVo becoming the default TV option, and the Hub 3.0 now being the default kit for broadband.

OLD BOY 27-09-2016 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35860732)
I'm not quite sure why it warranted a whole news item about it for Sky Q.

It's pretty much a given that any new kit will come the default after period of time. For Virgin Media it's the same as the existing TiVo becoming the default TV option, and the Hub 3.0 now being the default kit for broadband.
I think it is such a radical improvement and this has happened so quickly after launch.

Will VM do the same, do you think?

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 18:39
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As software capability has improved in general, I wonder if the way that TiVo works could be modernised in some way?

I don't see why these days there can't be a feature where we tell it what we want it to record and it automatically calculates the best thing to do, be it move other recordings which have a repeat showing to record one off programmes or move the recording itself.

I don't mean just detecting the repeat showings as it does now and listing them in Planned Recordings, but a complete calculation as to how best to achieve the best outcome for every recording planned that mirrors the users wishes.

Each time there is a change, eg a show is taken off the EPG or a viewer chooses another programme or series to record, it could recalculate everything.

At the end (or during calculation) it may have to ask the user to make their mind up about what to record if it cannot resolve occasional issues eg four one off programmes all being shown at the same time.

I now have so many Series Links that I find it impossible to prioritise them, so being able to make a decision when anomalies are thrown up would be very useful.

OLD BOY 28-09-2016 19:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860877)
As software capability has improved in general, I wonder if the way that TiVo works could be modernised in some way?

I don't see why these days there can't be a feature where we tell it what we want it to record and it automatically calculates the best thing to do, be it move other recordings which have a repeat showing to record one off programmes or move the recording itself.

I don't mean just detecting the repeat showings as it does now and listing them in Planned Recordings, but a complete calculation as to how best to achieve the best outcome for every recording planned that mirrors the users wishes.

Each time there is a change, eg a show is taken off the EPG or a viewer chooses another programme or series to record, it could recalculate everything.

At the end (or during calculation) it may have to ask the user to make their mind up about what to record if it cannot resolve occasional issues eg four one off programmes all being shown at the same time.

I now have so many Series Links that I find it impossible to prioritise them, so being able to make a decision when anomalies are thrown up would be very useful.
Exactly how slow would you like the Tivo to be, Richard?

Maybe if it could pour you a nice cup of coffee and start the dinner while you're waiting for the circle to start spinning? :mis:;)

jb66 28-09-2016 23:50
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860877)
As software capability has improved in general, I wonder if the way that TiVo works could be modernised in some way?

I don't see why these days there can't be a feature where we tell it what we want it to record and it automatically calculates the best thing to do, be it move other recordings which have a repeat showing to record one off programmes or move the recording itself.

I don't mean just detecting the repeat showings as it does now and listing them in Planned Recordings, but a complete calculation as to how best to achieve the best outcome for every recording planned that mirrors the users wishes.

Each time there is a change, eg a show is taken off the EPG or a viewer chooses another programme or series to record, it could recalculate everything.

At the end (or during calculation) it may have to ask the user to make their mind up about what to record if it cannot resolve occasional issues eg four one off programmes all being shown at the same time.

I now have so many Series Links that I find it impossible to prioritise them, so being able to make a decision when anomalies are thrown up would be very useful.
I just find the whole concept of recording out of date, everything should be on demand

denphone 29-09-2016 06:50
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35860972)
I just find the whole concept of recording out of date, everything should be on demand
Not sure that is ever going to happen anytime soon.

Jong1 29-09-2016 08:26
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
If you want you can, pretty much, live this way already. It means watching stuff within 7 days of airing (catch up) or buying the right to watch whenever from iTunes/Amazon etc. If you are happy with that, great. But, if you want to be able to watch things that are broadcast at times of your choosing for no payment, recording will continue to be the only legal option.

OLD BOY 29-09-2016 08:54
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35861005)
If you want you can, pretty much, live this way already. It means watching stuff within 7 days of airing (catch up) or buying the right to watch whenever from iTunes/Amazon etc. If you are happy with that, great. But, if you want to be able to watch things that are broadcast at times of your choosing for no payment, recording will continue to be the only legal option.
Well, it is better than that if you get Netflix, Amazon and Now TV.

However, recording of scheduled programmes will always be necessary for viewers like me until either a similar system is made available for On Demand TV as Netflix or Amazon, or alternatively, we can rely on the cloud to access these programmes for at least 18 months after the programme is aired.

Jong1 29-09-2016 09:09
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
It is different for "original content", like Marco Polo, Daredevil, Man in the High Castle. But otherwise, you are still limited by "availability windows" on streaming services. Game of Thrones, for example, is not in Sky Box Sets at the moment.

I just cannot see a long-term cloud-based service happening, outside of catch-up. Catch-up might be extended to 30 days in some cases, or ""till just after the last episode airs" as the BBC do. But why would the producers agree to kill all DVD/Blu-ray/Itunes/Amazon sales for first 18 months, when premium prices can be charged? It's a very good money earner for them. I'd like to be proved wrong but.....

OLD BOY 29-09-2016 10:42
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35861009)
It is different for "original content", like Marco Polo, Daredevil, Man in the High Castle. But otherwise, you are still limited by "availability windows" on streaming services. Game of Thrones, for example, is not in Sky Box Sets at the moment.

I just cannot see a long-term cloud-based service happening, outside of catch-up. Catch-up might be extended to 30 days in some cases, or ""till just after the last episode airs" as the BBC do. But why would the producers agree to kill all DVD/Blu-ray/Itunes/Amazon sales for first 18 months, when premium prices can be charged? It's a very good money earner for them. I'd like to be proved wrong but.....
I understand where you are coming from, Jong, but your opinion is based on current behaviours and expectations.

Almost certainly, streaming will become more popular and will eventually take over from DVDs. That will change the financial incentives and ultimately, my view is that on demand and cloud based methods of retrieval will be the norm.

A few hurdles to be overcome in the meantime, of course, as ever.

muppetman11 29-09-2016 10:49
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
A few points a lot of catch up is already 30 days and the likes of Netflix , Amazon already use the cloud.

Jong1 29-09-2016 11:16
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
@old boy, @muppetman11,

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for streaming, all for "the cloud". I subscribe to Netflix and Amazon. I'm not stuck in some old model of TV watching!

Even buying series and episodes from iTunes, Amazon Video and the plethora of other similar services involves the cloud. I said that "original" series have just about unlimited windows on Sky, Netflix, Amazon etc. You are right that physical media is diminshing in importance, although Blu-ray (now UHD Blu-ray) will offer a quality edge, for enthusiasts, for the forseeable future (maybe 5+ years).

I was just responding to the idea that services will offer dependable, long-term (1 year +) catch-up for non-original material and I just don't see that happening. Even The BBC sells DVD and downloads of their series after catch-up and won't want to see that go. Game of Thrones, is probably Sky's number one attention-grabbing, exclusive TV show (other than sport), that can draw subscriptions, yet Sky have not managed to get, or were not prepared to pay for, an unlimited replay window - the show comes and goes from their Box Sets around the time the latest series is showing.

So, my view, FWIW and until I am humbled by some big announcement from Sky or Virgin, is that a cloud-based equivalent of a PVR, where you don't have to pay per show/series to watch and you don't feel under any time pressure to view and where you are not specifically subscribing to the content producer's streaming service, won't happen.

Hugh 29-09-2016 11:32
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The "cloud"... ;)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...9&d=1475141482

tweetiepooh 29-09-2016 12:07
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I too can't see cloud storage replacing local disk for PVR type devices. Unless content becomes time limited somehow so you can only store/watch for a defined period after recording. You would need to store every program broadcast and have it available quickly. Mind you you could use it to push in current advertising rather than that on the recording and skipping is harder over the cloud than locally.

spiderplant 29-09-2016 13:21
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35861030)
You would need to store every program broadcast and have it available quickly.
That's entirely feasible with modern hard drive sizes, even more so if you de-duplicate repeat showings. It's a lot less than the disc capacity of 3 million TiVos. Consider how many copies of Eastenders are held on all those TiVos, when a single copy could be shared between them all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35861030)
Unless content becomes time limited somehow so you can only store/watch for a defined period after recording.
That's not really a consideration. Content would be time limited on in-home PVRs if the content owners wanted it to be. On the other hand, you are far more likely to lose content due to a hardware failure of an in-home PVR than of a RAID in a nice air-conditioned data centre.

muppetman11 29-09-2016 13:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
How would it impact those with peak time broadband contention issues ?

Jong1 29-09-2016 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35861043)
That's not really a consideration. Content would be time limited on in-home PVRs if the content owners wanted it to be. On the other hand, you are far more likely to lose content due to a hardware failure of an in-home PVR than of a RAID in a nice air-conditioned data centre.
The point is that, very grudgingly (they fought against the original VCRs and DVD recorders) content providers have accepted that home-based PVRs are so ingrained in society that they cannot mess with them. Not so, for other services that could interfere with their post-broadcast revenue.

I guess, let's see. I'd like to be wrong. But, there is probably a reason why the next-gen Sky Q still goes with a massive HDD and 12 tuners and why catch-up is still limited to what individual channels will agree, rather than what Sky or Virgin would like to offer.

spiderplant 29-09-2016 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35861050)
content providers have accepted that home-based PVRs are so ingrained in society that they cannot mess with them.
I have news for you - they already do. If you unsubscribe from Sky-owned channels, you'll lose access to your recordings from those channels.

OLD BOY 29-09-2016 17:14
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35861050)
The point is that, very grudgingly (they fought against the original VCRs and DVD recorders) content providers have accepted that home-based PVRs are so ingrained in society that they cannot mess with them. Not so, for other services that could interfere with their post-broadcast revenue.

I guess, let's see. I'd like to be wrong. But, there is probably a reason why the next-gen Sky Q still goes with a massive HDD and 12 tuners and why catch-up is still limited to what individual channels will agree, rather than what Sky or Virgin would like to offer.
...And that just shows the absurdity of it all. We can choose to record this stuff, but they won't make it available on the cloud for 18 months!

muppetman11 29-09-2016 17:15
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Spider I see you skipped my question.

Jong1 29-09-2016 17:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35861059)
...And that just shows the absurdity of it all. We can choose to record this stuff, but they won't make it available on the cloud for 18 months!
I agree. Let's hope I am wrong about the future!

spiderplant 29-09-2016 18:04
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35861060)
Spider I see you skipped my question.
Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical. :)

I'd like to imagine that a network PVR would have dedicated bandwidth, so would be unaffected by local congestion.

Jong1 29-09-2016 18:11
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
The new TiVo (as I understand it) does away with the internal modem altogether.

muppetman11 29-09-2016 18:23
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35861071)
Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical. :)

I'd like to imagine that a network PVR would have dedicated bandwidth, so would be unaffected by local congestion.
Thanks good to know that makes sense it would be seriously annoying if your areas congestion caused you issues when trying to watch your shows.

RichardCoulter 29-09-2016 20:36
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I wonder if local congestion is what's causing the TiVo to run slow?

People have noted that it seems worse in evening peak time, I've also noticed that it's worse in the early hours of the morning too when you'd think that demand would be low.

When it's really this bad you repeatedly get the "there's been an unexpected problem" error screen when attempting to get into 'My Shows'.

There's been suggestions that this is because it needs to access VM servers to perform some functions that I assumed would be done by the box itself.

Is this true and does it use the dedicated TiVo connection if it is?

jb66 29-09-2016 20:52
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35861101)
I wonder if local congestion is what's causing the TiVo to run slow?

People have noted that it seems worse in evening peak time, I've also noticed that it's worse in the early hours of the morning too when you'd think that demand would be low.

When it's really this bad you repeatedly get the "there's been an unexpected problem" error screen when attempting to get into 'My Shows'.

There's been suggestions that this is because it needs to access VM servers to perform some functions that I assumed would be done by the box itself.

Is this true and does it use the dedicated TiVo connection if it is?
No, navigating through menus doesnt have anything to do with congestion, even if you were to pull the white coax out the back of the box so it has no signal it will still be slow

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35861071)
Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical. :)

I'd like to imagine that a network PVR would have dedicated bandwidth, so would be unaffected by local congestion.
If its going through the hub how will virgin know what traffic is PVR?

Horizon 29-09-2016 21:03
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Well, it's almost October and still no news about the new tivo. About time we had the details now, assuming its still launching this year. Very surprised at the lack of leaks.

jb66 29-09-2016 21:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861112)
Well, it's almost October and still no news about the new tivo. About time we had the details now, assuming its still launching this year. Very surprised at the lack of leaks.
What do you want to know?

denphone 29-09-2016 21:13
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861112)
Well, it's almost October and still no news about the new tivo. About time we had the details now, assuming its still launching this year. Very surprised at the lack of leaks.
Patience Horizon....;)

vm_tech 29-09-2016 22:20
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Even if you were in a highly utilised area, tivos lock onto docsis1 (although they can use the docsis 3 frequencies with no bonding, but I've only seen this a couple of times) all the d1 CMTS basically have the odd modem and the return path for stb's

Horizon 29-09-2016 22:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35861113)
What do you want to know?
Everything, but especially what can it do and what will it cost? And I think its already been mentioned that it will use the same software as current boxes, but I want this confirmed. I don't really see how the new boxes can be so much faster using the same software.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35861115)
Patience Horizon....;)
BUt like everyone facing price rises and considering leaving VM, I want to know when the new tivo is coming and what it will cost? I am patient, but VM is not if I want to get out of contract due to the rises.

OLD BOY 29-09-2016 22:59
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861126)
Everything, but especially what can it do and what will it cost? And I think its already been mentioned that it will use the same software as current boxes, but I want this confirmed. I don't really see how the new boxes can be so much faster using the same software.

---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:42 ----------

BUt like everyone facing price rises and considering leaving VM, I want to know when the new tivo is coming and what it will cost? I am patient, but VM is not if I want to get out of contract due to the rises.
Doubtless, there will be plenty more price rises coming down the line, Horizon!

jb66 29-09-2016 23:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35861122)
Even if you were in a highly utilised area, tivos lock onto docsis1 (although they can use the docsis 3 frequencies with no bonding, but I've only seen this a couple of times) all the d1 CMTS basically have the odd modem and the return path for stb's
Whats that got to do with the v6?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861126)
Everything, but especially what can it do and what will it cost? And I think its already been mentioned that it will use the same software as current boxes, but I want this confirmed. I don't really see how the new boxes can be so much faster using the same software.

---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:42 ----------

BUt like everyone facing price rises and considering leaving VM, I want to know when the new tivo is coming and what it will cost? I am patient, but VM is not if I want to get out of contract due to the rises.
What we know so far:


They use the same software as the Tivo, they are really quick, when you press MyShows, its loaded in the blink of an eye.
It has a RF remote so you can put in in a cupboard.
Its small, its about the same size as a VHD
It doesnt have a modem built in, it connects via wifi or ethernet.
It has 6 tuners

Nedkelly 29-09-2016 23:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
After having a play with one of these boxes i can assure you it is fast . BBC player loads very quick . :)

Horizon 29-09-2016 23:40
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
.... but so did the original tivo when it was launched? Does it use the same software as jb66 said it does? If so, that's worrying for a start.

When are we going to get the details? When, when , when.....

Nedkelly 29-09-2016 23:43
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Makes the Tivo when it started still look slow . if i was to put the 2 boxes side by side the layout on screen is the same .It needs a cable modem to deliver some of the services as others have said it has ditched the inbuilt cable modem .;)

denphone 30-09-2016 07:03
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35861134)
Doubtless, there will be plenty more price rises coming down the line, Horizon!
Indeed that happens with all the companies out there in the market...

1andrew1 30-09-2016 09:40
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861142)
.... but so did the original tivo when it was launched? Does it use the same software as jb66 said it does? If so, that's worrying for a start.

When are we going to get the details? When, when , when.....
I reckon November or December. No point in giving too much away to the competition and Sky has already made Sky Q its default box so VM now has a better understanding of what it's up against.

OLD BOY 30-09-2016 10:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35861167)
I reckon November or December. No point in giving too much away to the competition and Sky has already made Sky Q its default box so VM now has a better understanding of what it's up against.
I agree. I don't think we will hear much from Virgin until a couple of weeks or so before launch.

I do hope it will be November, because my hard drive has just about had it. My recordings sometimes get stuck now - one of these days soon I won't be able to get it going again at all!

denphone 30-09-2016 11:22
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35861174)
I agree. I don't think we will hear much from Virgin until a couple of weeks or so before launch.

I do hope it will be November, because my hard drive has just about had it. My recordings sometimes get stuck now - one of these days soon I won't be able to get it going again at all!
Don't always rely on somebody else's crystal ball my old chap.....:)

Andy C 05-10-2016 14:18
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I'm hoping these boxes aren't far away. Like OLD BOY I'm getting corrupt patches in recordings on a daily basis! There again I've had my TiVo since testing it so it's getting on a bit now.

OLD BOY 05-10-2016 14:53
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Split screen viewing for Sky Q.


If Sky do regular updates like this, Virgin Media will struggle to keep up, I suspect. Personally, I would only use the split screen if the second one allowed me to watch something that wasn't sport!

http://advanced-television.com/2016/...ing-for-sky-q/

Sky is introducing new features to its next-generation Sky Q box which it says will make it easier for customers to catch up on their favourite sports and enjoy even more of the action and never miss any of the action again.

The updates will give sports fans new ways of making the most of what they’re watching on Sky Sports. Sky Q customers can now choose Split Screen viewing to watch two live streams side-by-side, the latest goal alongside a live Premier League match, or the best overtaking manoeuvre next to the Formula 1 race.

The new features include:

Sports Split Screen: Live Streams: You can watch two live streams side-by-side. Customise your Match Choice and watch two football matches or tennis games side-by-side when on at the same time. Or choose Race Choice and experience two different camera angles with Formula 1.
Sports Split Screen: Video Clips: Catch up on highlight video clips from the Premier League or Formula 1 without taking your eye off the live event.
Customers can simply press the red button and open the Sky Sports app on Sky Q and choose to customise their streams with Match Choice or Race Choice, or select Highlights and watch video clips alongside the main event.

The new features allow customers to catch up on even more of the action from Sky Sports. And with the Sky Sports HQ app available on Sky Q, customers can already check the latest Scores & Tables, customise their home page with their favourite football team, and watch highlight video clips from Sky Sports News, now available in split screen whilst still watching any other channel. In addition, Sky Q is set to get even better for sports fans with the introduction of Sports Start Over in 2017.

“We know our customers absolutely love watching live sports and the new Sky Q features will give them the flexibility to choose how they watch,” advised Luke Bradley-Jones, Brand Director of TV and Content Products. “Whether it’s a Premier League match or Formula 1 race, customers can simply choose split screen viewing and watch the most talked about goal again and again, or two live races side by side.”

Other features introduced as part of the update include the recently launched Box Sets to Buy & Keep through Sky Store, plus the addition of live channels to Top Picks, playing a preview of the channel in the EPG, to make sure customers don’t miss the big live TV moments.

The update follows recent new features like Auto Download Next Episode, Auto Play and Series Record, making it easier for customers to binge-watch addictively good box sets from The Night Of to Billions and The Walking Dead. As well as a re-designed Top Picks and Sports Featured homepage, combining the best of live and On Demand TV, and the widest range of Ultra HD programming for customers with the Sky Q 2TB box.

ASccording to Sky, Sky Q will continue to get even better, with more new features such as Voice Search and further personalisation of Top Picks anticipated in the future.

Horizon 05-10-2016 22:59
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
For those testing the new box, can I ask you whether there are any channel editing features on the new box? Ie, can you reorder the position of channels and/or change the number of the channel on the box?

I know several people who are testing the V6 but I won't pester you with PMs, but if you can't post here I would be grateful if you could PM me and let me know?

Many thanks.

mike_gain 06-10-2016 14:01
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35862016)
For those testing the new box, can I ask you whether there are any channel editing features on the new box? Ie, can you reorder the position of channels and/or change the number of the channel on the box?

I know several people who are testing the V6 but I won't pester you with PMs, but if you can't post here I would be grateful if you could PM me and let me know?

Many thanks.
You'll be lucky to get a public response. Any NDA I have signed while taking part in VM tests has forbidden even acknowledging that a hardware/software test is taking place.....a PM of course wouldn't be something that while probably still breaching the NDA won't be detectable.

RichardCoulter 07-10-2016 17:33
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkelly (Post 35861143)
Makes the Tivo when it started still look slow . if i was to put the 2 boxes side by side the layout on screen is the same .It needs a cable modem to deliver some of the services as others have said it has ditched the inbuilt cable modem .;)
Are there any advantages or disadvantages to ditching the inbuilt cable modem?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35861167)
I reckon November or December. No point in giving too much away to the competition and Sky has already made Sky Q its default box so VM now has a better understanding of what it's up against.
Me too, just as the window to the get out clause due to the price rises expires...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 35861893)
I'm hoping these boxes aren't far away. Like OLD BOY I'm getting corrupt patches in recordings on a daily basis! There again I've had my TiVo since testing it so it's getting on a bit now.
I'm getting a little bit of this too and I've only had my box for seven months, of course I could have been given a second hand box...

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35861907)
Split screen viewing for Sky Q.


If Sky do regular updates like this, Virgin Media will struggle to keep up, I suspect. Personally, I would only use the split screen if the second one allowed me to watch something that wasn't sport!

http://advanced-television.com/2016/...ing-for-sky-q/

Sky is introducing new features to its next-generation Sky Q box which it says will make it easier for customers to catch up on their favourite sports and enjoy even more of the action and never miss any of the action again.

The updates will give sports fans new ways of making the most of what they’re watching on Sky Sports. Sky Q customers can now choose Split Screen viewing to watch two live streams side-by-side, the latest goal alongside a live Premier League match, or the best overtaking manoeuvre next to the Formula 1 race.

The new features include:

Sports Split Screen: Live Streams: You can watch two live streams side-by-side. Customise your Match Choice and watch two football matches or tennis games side-by-side when on at the same time. Or choose Race Choice and experience two different camera angles with Formula 1.
Sports Split Screen: Video Clips: Catch up on highlight video clips from the Premier League or Formula 1 without taking your eye off the live event.
Customers can simply press the red button and open the Sky Sports app on Sky Q and choose to customise their streams with Match Choice or Race Choice, or select Highlights and watch video clips alongside the main event.

The new features allow customers to catch up on even more of the action from Sky Sports. And with the Sky Sports HQ app available on Sky Q, customers can already check the latest Scores & Tables, customise their home page with their favourite football team, and watch highlight video clips from Sky Sports News, now available in split screen whilst still watching any other channel. In addition, Sky Q is set to get even better for sports fans with the introduction of Sports Start Over in 2017.

“We know our customers absolutely love watching live sports and the new Sky Q features will give them the flexibility to choose how they watch,” advised Luke Bradley-Jones, Brand Director of TV and Content Products. “Whether it’s a Premier League match or Formula 1 race, customers can simply choose split screen viewing and watch the most talked about goal again and again, or two live races side by side.”

Other features introduced as part of the update include the recently launched Box Sets to Buy & Keep through Sky Store, plus the addition of live channels to Top Picks, playing a preview of the channel in the EPG, to make sure customers don’t miss the big live TV moments.

The update follows recent new features like Auto Download Next Episode, Auto Play and Series Record, making it easier for customers to binge-watch addictively good box sets from The Night Of to Billions and The Walking Dead. As well as a re-designed Top Picks and Sports Featured homepage, combining the best of live and On Demand TV, and the widest range of Ultra HD programming for customers with the Sky Q 2TB box.

ASccording to Sky, Sky Q will continue to get even better, with more new features such as Voice Search and further personalisation of Top Picks anticipated in the future.
Historically, VM have always played catch up to Sky. Any USP (like the once superior VOD) that they do/did have is counteracted by Sky eg their VOD is said to now be superior to VM.

---------- Post added at 16:33 ---------- Previous post was at 16:28 ----------

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861126)
Everything, but especially what can it do and what will it cost? And I think its already been mentioned that it will use the same software as current boxes, but I want this confirmed. I don't really see how the new boxes can be so much faster using the same software.

---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:42 ----------

BUt like everyone facing price rises and considering leaving VM, I want to know when the new tivo is coming and what it will cost? I am patient, but VM is not if I want to get out of contract due to the rises.
This mirrors my feelings exactly. I tried to cancel last weekend when the TiVo became unusable; only to be faced with at least a half hour wait.

Are VM doing this to put people off cancelling, or are there hoards of customers ringing to cancel- who knows.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35861142)
.... but so did the original tivo when it was launched? Does it use the same software as jb66 said it does? If so, that's worrying for a start.

When are we going to get the details? When, when , when.....
Exactly! Those more knowledgeable than myself say that the TiVo software is poorly written, but if the new box is able to cope with what's demanded of it, maybe it will work properly??

Stephen 07-10-2016 19:45
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Well the benefits to ditching the inbuilt modem are that it was pretty rubbish and VM BB is a lot faster.

In regards to your moaning about the 30 min wait on the phone, that can be normal for call centres. Where I work is usually not too busy but the last few weeks we have seen a lot more customers calling and sometimes wait times have been 40 mins to over an hour. Yet there are over 200 staff on the phones. I imagine VM retentions have a much smaller staffing level.

RichardCoulter 08-10-2016 04:14
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Well, a lot were made redundant a few years ago.

Did they ever subsequently replace these posts (here or abroad)?

Robertus 09-10-2016 12:01
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Using my parents TiVo box (which I also had in my room when living here) and it's borderline unusable. It's horrible. How anyone at VM can think that this is acceptable quite frankly amazes me.

i am not scouse 09-10-2016 12:37
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 35862612)
Using my parents TiVo box (which I also had in my room when living here) and it's borderline unusable. It's horrible. How anyone at VM can think that this is acceptable quite frankly amazes me.
The other day I pressed the tv button while I was in my recordings to go back to normal tv and I actually managed to get out to the kitchen and turn the kettle on before the blank screen disappeared. That's how slow the tivos have become.

RichardCoulter 09-10-2016 13:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robertus (Post 35862612)
Using my parents TiVo box (which I also had in my room when living here) and it's borderline unusable. It's horrible. How anyone at VM can think that this is acceptable quite frankly amazes me.
I'm sure that they realise that there's an elephant in the room, but are just pretending everything's fine.

When I rang to complain about the slow speed, the guy actually started insulting my intelligence by going through the acting all surprised routine. This changed when I put him straight that I was fully aware of the situation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by i am not scouse (Post 35862614)
The other day I pressed the tv button while I was in my recordings to go back to normal tv and I actually managed to get out to the kitchen and turn the kettle on before the blank screen disappeared. That's how slow the tivos have become.
That's happened to me too.

whoareyou 09-10-2016 14:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35862621)
I'm sure that they realise that there's an elephant in the room, but are just pretending everything's fine.

When I rang to complain about the slow speed, the guy actually started insulting my intelligence by going through the acting all surprised routine. This changed when I put him straight that I was fully aware of the situation.



That's happened to me too.
Is there a know reason for this? ie, age of box, amount of storage used, etc?
Because I have two, one older and one newer and (fortunately) neither suffer like this. All bit it slow, not this bad-

i am not scouse 09-10-2016 15:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whoareyou (Post 35862624)
Is there a know reason for this? ie, age of box, amount of storage used, etc?
Because I have two, one older and one newer and (fortunately) neither suffer like this. All bit it slow, not this bad-
I have 3 all of differing ages and keep the amount of recordings down. Even tried the suggestions thing but there still useless. I'm just waiting to see how good and how much the new box will be. And if it's not appealing and to expensive it's sky Q


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