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I see Trump want to end ObamaCare, thus ending free health care to the needy.

But what the Multi billionaire care.

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LOL Free, universal healthcare does not exist in America.

Obamacare or (PPACA) Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, most certainly is not free. It's not like the NHS is here, where you go to see a doctor, or go to hospital, get treated and don't pay anything.

In America, you need health insurance because if you get ill and what not and receive treatment, you have to pay for it, but health insurance normally covers this.

In a Nutshell, the Affordable Care Act in America, does the following:-

• Offering Americans a number of new benefits, rights, and protections in regards to their healthcare
  
• Setting up a Health Insurance Marketplace (HealthCare.Gov) where Americans can purchase federally regulated and subsidized Health Insurance during open enrollment.
  
• Expanding Medicaid to all adults in many states.
  
• Improving Medicare for seniors and those with long-term disabilities.
  
• Expanding employer coverage to millions of employees.
  
• Requiring most people to have coverage each month from 2014 in order to get an exemption, or pay a fee.
  
• And introducing new taxes and tax breaks, among other provisions.

Source: http://obamacarefacts.com/whatis-obamacare/

Those on the poverty line, still have to pay it but they get help to do so via a range of benefits. If people don't pay it, a fee is still taken by the IRS (US Equivalent to UK's HMRC) So call it a kind of Tax if you want.

So when Trump talks about ending Obamacare, he is talking about repealing the act, because the Affordable care Act (but not really), has caused massive hikes in fees and costs for it. People have seen, year on year rise on it and the rises are huge this year, we would see large scale riots if they introduced something like that over here. You talking of four figure type sums and these are monthly upfront costs, you are talking thousands of dollars per month

So this is what Trump means when he says he wants to get rid of it.

Crooked Hillary wants to reform it, which is just another way of saying, she will continue where Obama left off, if she gets in office.

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Let's get real here - neither Trump nor Clinton are poor. Far from it. IMHO Trump's appeal is largely due to the loathing of many US citizens for establishment figures like Clinton, Bush etc. who come from the right families and have had the odds stacked up in their favour. It's a bit like the rise of UKIP here. People may see the party's current issues and Farage's departure as terminal but what they fail to see is the huge animosity towards the traditional parties that's been allowed to fester and grow within large sections of society which is what led to UKIP's popularity. Trump, like UKIP/Farage, is a symptom of what's gone wrong over decades and unless things change that anti-establishment sentiment will continue to grow and if Trump doesn't get in this time it'll be someone similar next time.

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We'll see what happens in two weeks. The race really has hit a lull two weeks out, not seen this before. Trump is, maybe, slowly gaining some ground. A poll has him up +2 in Florida (although another one had Clinton up +3) and gaining in New Hampshire being +4 ahead. The other polls seem stable. Nothing is changing. Still a number of undecided voters though and if nearly all of them went Trump it's neck-and-neck. Obviously that's very unlikely but if a signifiant number did then we would be within 'Brexit error' margins.

Otherwise boring.

I did hear something interesting the other day though. Every 4 years the number of minority voters in America take up 2% more of the electorate as a whole. It's why states like North Carolina went Obama and why it's a toss-up state now. At the same time we're seeing a Brexit like split between those without college-degrees and those with them. Normally there wasn't a big difference in American politics between these two groups (all other factors being the same obviously) but this election those without having 'bigly' to Trump whilst those with them are moving to Clinton. Finally we also have liberals moving down South and changing the demographics of some of those states, it's why Colorado is now a blue state and maybe Arizona soon (although that's also related to the first point).

So what would happen in 2020? Let's say Clinton does win. Who do the Republicans get to run and against her? Can they change to deal with the fact the electorate is changing or will their base prevent them from doing so?

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I was writing my post as you were posting that but my last part asks this question too. :D

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If she got in and that is a big if, because I am really doubting her real popularity here, going off the rallies and just all the pure interest that is being shown towards Trump on absolutely everything.

But if she got in, I doubt she would make it to 2020, let alone any of the rest of us to see 2020, when we potentially go to WW3 with Russia, thanks to her.

But even without that to contend with, we have her dodgy track record, I'd say she is looking at being impeached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._United_States

Hold on a second, didn't a Wikileaks revelation this last week or so say the DNC or her campaign (bribed DNC party members) to incite violence at Trump rallies ?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...violence-trump

Crooked Hillary should come under this Impeachment paragraph for sure. She should not even be running for President but this has already been covered.

Wikipedia is our friend. (Wikileaks is not hers :rofl: )

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'Crooked' Hillary - are you in Primary School, parroting the school bully, aka The Donald?

Why don't you just call her 'such a Nasty woman', as all you seem to do is repeat Trump?

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Who cares what that liar thinks, the man's got blood on his hands, anyone remember him telling the world about the iraqi mobile biological warfare lorries he had pictures of, any joy in finding them yet, no thought not and until they're found his opinion counts for nowt imo. Besides I'm more inclined to believe rabid Democrat Michael Moore who believes the American people will vote for the donald as a massive f you to the establishment thanks in large part to people like the charlatan Powell

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Latest video from Project Veritas "Exposes Foreign Donations"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBrZItwVy4

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I don't see the problem with carrying the phrase if he so desires.

I don't recall people being admonished for using the phrase " Bliar". Or " dubya" not really an issue is it?

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It should not be an issue if I choose to describe a candidate who is corrupt and for the record, Trump was not guilty of any threats to women, what he was caught saying in private, 11 years ago was tame in comparison to what I have heard blokes in Night Clubs discuss with their mates and also, what I have heard women say they would like to do to fit blokes they have seen on the dance floor. As for the 11 women who have come forward with all kinds of allegations, I am sure like Trump said, is fiction, orchestrated by the DNC campaign and the media to some extent.

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Clinton hasn't been convicted of corruption either. If the defense of Trump's treatment of women is a lack of a criminal conviction and that the women making accusations are liars then why doesn't the defense hold for Clinton?

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I don't think it matters who gets elected president at this point as congress will make either of them lame duck presidents as they have obama for the last four years. Removing obamacare is not a damaging thing for trump as i haven't heard anything good from those americans i know about it they say it sounded good on the media but real world impact has been very little. One of them has a very bad experience of it after an industrial accident where the right treatment could have got her back to fully fit but because her insurance wasn't sufficient and attempt's to get help from obamacare got her nothing but forms filled and time wasted she's partially disabled.

Trump is a big screw you as far as many americans are concerned and i feel for them they worked, contributed many serving their country and what was their reward banks screwing up repossessing their homes the company's they worked for relocating to mexico or other countries to cut costs leaving them very little. Before 2008 most americans were relatively satisfied but after the level of resentment towards the establishment has sky rocketted to level's rarely seen anywhere. I don't think whether it's trump or clinton it isn't going to be the best thing for the US.

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The Presidenecy is still a very powerful position even with an obstructionist congress (and if it's a Republican congress they'll be less obstructionist). Obama has had a deal with Iran, opened up discussions with Cuba and pushed though a number of executive orders relating to climate change.

The next President will be choosing a Supreme Court Judge too. They'll be very powerful.

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Reminder (to everyone).

Please make sure you remain calm when posting, pause before replying if you have to, some remarks in the last page are a little OTT.

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That's simple to answer, Clinton has, 30 years of Political Career History Damien. Trump does not have 30 years of Political Career History. We know he is not a career politician, certainly doesn't speak like one.

Regardless of Clinton not being convicted, it matters not that much, the Wikileak revelation emails clearly indicate corruption and it is not just questionable judgement's that have taken place in Hillary's favor, all a little bit too convenient that there was no convictions, because if there was, she would not be able to run for President.

Now lets ask one question why is there media bias in Hillary's favor, for example if Trump got hecklers at his rallies that he was forced to abandon the event, it would be on the news and stuff like that about Trump has been in the news, but if Hillary gets them, not one sniff.... Thank goodness for Youtube. This video only posted the other day.... was this in the mainstream news ? I didn't see a thing about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ZjocCJhig

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??? I hear 1 guy shouting you are not welcome here.

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It does seem most of the mainstream media in the US is being very selective in the stories it runs on the candidates and i agree trump is probably more popular then polling suggests. I'm just not convinced he's that much more popular to get him into office but i think the election will be closer then some think. I'm not sure I'd shout corrupt in relation to clinton as there isn't enough out to fully back that but poor judgement is a valid charge and one she is guilty of, events in benghazi have certainly tainted her with the military and the email fiasco rumbles on and I'm not convinced there isn't more to that issue to come out.

I just feel sorry for the majority of americans who won't be represented by either choice and certainly are not comfortable voting for either one of them. Perhaps this will be the catalyst for a change in US politics as continuing down this path will lead nowhere good.

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There is more than one person shouting, this is so evident. Enough to make HC have to abandon her discussions with the crowd, had this occurred at a Trump rally causing Trump to walk away, it would have been headline news, but nothing mentioned when it is Hillary.

It also looks like she is struggling to raise her voice over the noise of the protesters. Can't tell when this was from, but video was uploaded on 23rd, so might have been filmed recently.

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None of those are things you learn not to say after many years of political life. There seems to be a double standard here. For example why is a video of someone working for a Super PAC saying the DNC was involved sufficient grounds to talk of impeachment but Trump himself saying he likes to grab women and you can get away with it if you're famous not? Why is Clinton corrupt for the alleged activities of her foundation but Trump, whose had more serious allegations relating to the foundation and a coming court case over Trump University, not?

Clinton is rightfully having her 30 years in politics examined but Trump seems excused from this business activities being examined because he isn't a politician until now. But they're both going for the same job.

If it's between crooked Clinton and crooked Trump then I'll for one who hasn't being going round making the kind of statements that Trump has.

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There was only one person shouting "your not welcome here" the rest where shouting Hilary .Seriously Mick i wouldn't be crossing any roads with those blinkers you're wearing ,you're gonna get hurt :D

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Hillary is no angel, but she is a politician, Trump is a ruthless business man and certainly no politician capable of running a country.

Had he been a senator? think might have been different.

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That's the big issue here ,the American public are in danger of putting a racist ,bigoted,sexist a hole with absolutely no experience in charge of the most powerful and influential country in the world .It won't end well

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You're echoing boring Media soundbites.

Having the title 'Politician' doesn't necessarily mean your ace at being a Politician.

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Donald trump is rumour to have a TV channel lined up to launch called Trump.TV, but he didn't by the website.

But somebody else has :D

www.trump.tv

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No I won't. I stand defiant.

I repeat, there is two people shouting, a girl starts shouting first and then a young man chimes in accusing her of all kinds of shenanigans. Listen to it again.

Regardless if it is one, two or ten people, she had to abruptly end her talk with the crowd, so my point earlier about media bias still stands.

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I just heard her introduction the first lady to North Carolina. I feel Hillary needs to wreak havoc on people who have done her over may be then she may get a bit more respect. Her voice doesn't annoy me, it wasn't even remotely irritating as she was screaming out or raising her voice for a long period of time. I don't really feel as you would, wanting to shut them up. I feel somethings a miss with her, she hasn't screwed someone as she should have. It annoys me to read TD of her treatment from Bill Clinton. I don't know. You'd normally get a gut feeling or something at least while watching someone if they are truly out their depths. She doesn't look it and rather looks to need to do things her way for as mentioned respect possibly. Being screwed over needs dealing with, that I'd agree with no doubt.

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I am loving this thread. Its better than our General Election. I read the American press each night.

I feel that it will be a tight race. But still feel that HC will win it

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It's actually pretty boring. Nothing much is changing. Trump looked as if he was closing in but that's stalled somewhat again. There have been rumours of another Trump tape but with voting underway in many States that seems to be nonsense as well. If either camp had anything they would have released it by now. Barring any huge revelation about either camp we're in a holding pattern until Tuesday week.

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Clinton is not being examined by the media as half as much as Trump is. Very scant and selective reporting regarding the so many corruption claims being aimed towards her by Wikileaks. It is biased reporting or lack of, in her favor Damien. It so obvious.

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Mick: Just out of curiosity ,are you an American? or have relatives or something.

I have no dog in the fight and don't much care who wins, they're both pretty much as crap as the other, but you're coming across extremely passionately.

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Wikileaks have been on NYTimes, Politico and obviously Fox News for the last few days.

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Funny you should ask, but nope, I am British Born. However, I have been to the US quite a number of times for 3 or 4 weeks at a time. I have plans to live there one day and follow the footsteps of two friends of mine who were born here in UK, now permanently live over there. I have American friends also.

Done many many things while over there. I have walked across Hoover Dam. Been to the Grand Canyon x 2. Drove along Route 66, eat, drank and slept on Route 66. :D Been to Yellowstone. Been to Yosemite. Been to Death Valley, Great places btw. Been to Las Vegas x 2, Been to California x2, place called San Simeon, stood in the Pacific Ocean. Traveled 4,000 miles around 8 States in a two week period, Drove across Monument Valley. Walked across a London Bridge that was sold here back in the 1960's and transported piece by piece over in to Lake Havasu, in Arizona.

So yes, when it comes to the US, I am quite passionate about the place and yes, the politics too! ;)

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One thing we can agree on as America is certainly a magnificent country that is for sure.:tu:

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Usa! Usa! Usa!

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Mick, you are one lucky person

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Massive:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us...ton-email.html

Extraordinary timing. 1 week before the election. The race could be blown wide open again.

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There seems to be confusing on if the case is being reopened or if they are reviewing e-mails to see if it should be reopened. Massively vague letter from the FBI to be dropping at this stage...

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:eek: Even I am surprised as this turnaround. For that to occur something damning has been found.

My American friends are saying, either they got something so damaging that cannot be ignored or, they are seeing the early voting results going massively in Trump's direction and they can see she doesn't stand a chance and wham, they no longer want to or can protect her.

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The early voting numbers are reported. They're not a secret.

No idea what they've found. You would hope it's something big for them to announce it ahead of the election. Although it looks like the investigation won't be finished until after.

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The big Mo is only moving in one direction from what l have heard and its bad news for Donald.

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True and whichever way you look at it, HC now has a big headache because if she does still win, she has a substantial FBI investigation being carried in to her New Presidency, which if they do find she emailed classified emails through her private server, it's potentially game over and almost certainly result in her Impeachment.

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We need more information on what this is. However even if it turns out not to be as drastic as it initially it appears this is terrible for Clinton.

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Good. Between the Combetta farce and Clinton, the whole FBI investigation was a farce, immunity deals that were a joke that then crippled any further chance of a proper investigation when revealed Paul Combetta attempted to tamper with emails whilst under federal investigation, a federal offence applying to both Combetta and the person ordering it, suspected to be Clinton. Despite reopening the investigation, unless they reverse Combetta's immunity they cannot pursue that avenue. So this new lead has to be be really massive otherwise it'll wither away.

Also don't put it past the FBI to botch it again.

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I doubted this before the news broke an hour ago, I strongly doubt it even more now.

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The FBI are going to have to come out and give more information here.

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I read that it was a Republican who advised the FBI of these emails found on a server in the basement of her home after a search

This whole basis is making me sick. This should have been dealt with well before the elections started. Or even when she was at the White House before.

It wouldn't surprise me if that crook Trump, has 'bought' someone to to this this as he knows the election is slipping away from him.

It seems strange to me that this has come up with only nine days to go. Someone is putting a major stone in the works here

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MSNBC:

- The case was never closed. So it's technically not been reopened.
- The e-mails were found on another device (not withheld) during another investigation.
- The FBI doesn't know if it's relevant.
- Not Wikileaks or the Russian hack of the DNC
- The E-Mails are not from Clinton.
- Won't be resolved in 11 days.

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https://twitter.com/AP/status/792076790676283392

This doesn't tell us much if the FBI still think it's connected.

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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...79872311132160

Again. This doesn't mean it's a nothing story. Depending on the circumstances. However the FBI really need to come out and clear a few things up.

We can't have Clinton facing criminal charges which only come to light after the election.
We also can't have this revealed to be nothing only after the election.

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Haha! What a pathetic election this is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us...imes&smtyp=cur

Mental election.

Just some context. Weiner is under investigation for sexting random women. He sent pictures of him in his underwear to these women, then had to resign. He then ran for Mayor of New York and it emerged he had done it since. Then it emerged he had done whilst running for Mayor of New York so he lost that election. Then he did it again.

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The FBI might be facing more questions than Clinton if this is true:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/s...75393515724800

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Well, I cannot see how they can, it is a criminal investigation. Although all kinds of stuff is coming out at the moment. But the FBI director would not say 'found emails pertinent to the investigation.'

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It's difficult because it's an on-going investigation but 11 days before an election? They have a duty to the public. The FBI is leaking badly at the moment. In a few hours we know so much already.

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* This is why you should not read all/watch all and take in all that you do and take it as gospel, which a problem you really do have Arthur.

** He doesn't know if it's slipping away from him, nobody does, Election day has not occurred yet. Infact, he has come out in last day or so and said he thinks he's winning, although that could just mean Florida. But winning Florida is key State to winning the Election.

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This is now confusing me. IF, the emails are NOT directly involving HC. Why is it going to effect her.

And even if it is on her server. Surely this is not a problem is it.

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Presumably they found e-mails that were sent to her server or reference her server and now they need to see if they are classified or not. I suspect not if they're from the phones of Weiner though, why would he or she have access to state level classified info?

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Could she have emailed top secret information via her aid perhaps and then her aide has then emailed it on through her less than secure device? That's still a no no, if it is the case.

HC campaign team are seething.

Obama is apparently on his way to campaign in Florida, are they scared she will lose that vital state ?

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No idea. Fox News are saying the FBI have no idea yet if the e-mails are a problem or not and if they need too they'll have to refer it to the intelligence services to decide what level classification it is.

Florida is close and if she wins it then it's game over for Trump. So they're going to target it. Clinton could win without either Florida or Ohio.

Like so:

http://image.prntscr.com/image/e4920...8ecd6d904b.png

But try doing a map for Trump winning without Florida.

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There is more to the email issue and the FBI have continued their investigations involving their cyber crimes department and rumour is the NSA has been aiding as well something is clearly going on and it isn't just about a sexually deviant acquaintance. For them to announce this while the campaign is still running says to me that they do have something relating to clinton and it's enough for them to put their neck on the line. Most top posts in federal agencies are very political they rarely annoy the senior politicians without a damn good reason and especially if that senior politician is heading for the white house.

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I would agree, they would not just go along with this if it was anything minor. They would be risking their careers if this was something insignificant.

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I think there is more to this. Int is strange how Paul Ryan has said that there should not be anymore vital info going to HC.

I have just seen the map. Florida is such as small State, so why is it important ?

I know that l am NOT American, but this is now becoming an important part.

I still say that IF Trump wins, he will get shot. He is a total prat.

Good question for everyone.

One. How long do you think this investigation will take.
Two. Can the election be stopped and Trump wins
Three. Can the Election carry one - Clinton wins. Then what happens

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So Trump doesn't win, Clinton does but is immediately taken out of the game by FBI , what next? what's the democrat VP like ? as a potential pres.

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Not really. He is a Republican and we're in an election year.

It's got 29 electoral college votes and it's a swing state. It's not a small states (also electoral college votes are proportional to population size, not land mass).

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According to CNN now, the problem is arising from the Wiener Case that was originally investigated

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lol this will kill Trumps tv career. booooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnngggggg :sleep:

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Just checked James Comey the FBI Chief - happens to be a Republican. Strange that.

He knows that HC is almost certain of win. And suddenly, 10 days before the big vote. They suddenly discover 'missing emails'

Very strange or a dirty tricks campaign

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I don't think Comey is partisan here but he may have done something very stupid if this is of little substance. Three e-mails they're not sure about? If it turns out they don't even warrant referral to the intelligence services to see if their classified then he will have questions to answer. I think they need to resolve it ahead of the election.

Either way though this will be very damaging to Clinton. The polling next week is going to be brutal in all likelihood.

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Not only that HC is a woman. And this could be the bigger issue. The politicians of American don't want a woman t run the Country.

(nothing against women)

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'one of the best days' in Trumps campaign? they were 'just waiting' lol thats some statement from his campaign. How about the supporting days. fact is he's gone after a big fish and he's hoping she cocks up. Trump isn't as powerful as it seems. I look forward to seeing the results.

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This is probably the best day in Trump's campaign. We don't know for sure yet but this could have given him a huge boost for the election. The states where we was weakly holding on such as Arizona or Utah are probably safe. He will likely move ahead in Florida. Clinton is left to hoping she holds onto the blue states and North Carolina.

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Sad

Doubt it.

I don't believe it's that tragic tbh but could be wrong. I do look forward to seeing the results, states and all.

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Firstly, the Election ends on Nov.8 & when any Presidential Candidate wins. I already said in a earlier post it is not at all good for Clinton having a FBI Investigation looming over her head if she wins and enters her first days as President.

Secondly, for goodness sake change the record Arthur, you need to stop talking about Potential President's getting shot, I said to you the other day, when you said it again, this the 3rd time you have brought it up. Regardless of how much a 'Prat' some one may be, the shooting of any Politician, particularly a leader, is a dark day for democracy.

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Well yes but assassination seems to be an approved method of getting rid of unpopular presidents given the number of attempts there have been .With the depth of feeling towards both candidates Clinton and Trump should be worried .

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The FBI really will have questions to answer if this is true:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...028-story.html

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This could also be potentially damaging for her:-

Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election in 2006 - New York Observer.

She's heard saying...

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Politically motivated one suspects but it will have little bearing on the election result IMO.

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I would not call President John F. Kennedy, an unpopular President. Prior to his Assassination, on November 22nd, 1963, he had a 70% approval rating, which is said to be highest of all Presidents, post World War II.

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Clinton is lucky she is running against Trump. Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would be doing a lot better IMO.

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Maybe those two might do better but Jed Bush failed to garnish enough votes when he announced his candidacy as he had poor results in several of the primary states and thus quit the race.

As for Rubio l am not sure he can command enough support either but he is certainly better then Trump.

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Is outside influence forbidden? Support wise?

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I think it's other way round, Trump is lucky it's Clinton, because if it had been Bernie Sanders, Sanders may have won easy and lots of Bernie Sanders supporters feel Hillary stole the Democratic ticket from him. Wikileak revelations did suggest this to be the case.

But Jeb Bush ? Seriously doubt that, his older brother, former President George W Bush's approval is the lowest of all Presidents by the time he left office and I think people would be thinking we need to get out of the pattern of having generations of an entire family gaining the Presidency and even the Clinton's have family ties with the Bushes through Marriage. Jenna Bush, former first daughter. The family ties to Hillary Clinton through marriage to her uncle Bill - George W Bush's 'brother from another mother.

I do feel a lot of people aren't understanding the Trump factor. I myself this time last year, thought he was an arrogant stupid old rich fool that ran away with this gob and I was actually routing for Hillary to be President, I was kinda excited that I was around when we gained the first black President and now a first Woman President but after watching many of the debates and then reading stuff on the Clinton's and all the feedback from my American friends. I began to feel some kind of hate forming towards her and that I began to feel she is not best suited to the job of President, some of the things she said, some of the policies she has adopted. I was becoming totally turned off with her.

As for Trump, despite not really liking the guy very much before today, I started to listen to what he was saying and like him or loathe him, some of the things he says about the corrupt establishment is so correct. Many people ridicule him, but like my American pals tell me all the time, he is so anti-establishment, he is not in anybodies pocket, he doesn't need to be and people are more engaged with him for these reasons alone, which explains why all his rallies are so packed and Hillary's and her running mate Kaine's struggle to fill their rallies. Kaine only had 30 people attend his rally earlier this week.

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Well, if you watched the Presidential debates, the second one I think, I think it is pretty hypocritical of Hillary Clinton accusing Russia of influencing the US Election and here we have a recording of her saying they, a foreign power, needed to determine who won the Palestine Election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeoDiRtUwY

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Allies and enemies?

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Seeing as it's Halloween soon:

See them here :D

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Clinton demands the facts. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37809684

https://youtu.be/fOaZYhTd2BU?t=1m11s

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FAXZ not EMAILS :LOL:

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Looks like these revelations are damaging Clinton:

Washington post

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bollocks.

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I find this whole farce - coming from a republican. As really damaging to Clinton.
Its because Trump is losing the race. It was stated yesterday that the FBI boss was wrong in saying what he did.
He should be fired.
Its like saying Corbyn is winning the Labour victory. And then a Tory comes in with Corbyn has done something wrong. And he loses the race.
This is typical of polotics. Its a load of *****.

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Give over. Just the revelation alone is some form of justice for the last investigation they botched on her. A few pages ago you seemed over the moon they'd found nothing and there was no way she was dodgy. Now you're crying foul. :D

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Remember we don't have a revelation as such. We don't know if the emails are relevant yet

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His popularity with other nations and organizations inside his own country were on the floor though. His rejection of Operation Northwoods (A rejection that would cement his legacy later) and the Cuban crisis meant relations were on its arse with both Russia and the CIA.

What the US actually know about the assassination becomes available next year and may reveal more on the three popular theories. LHO was backed by Russia, The Secret Service accidently fired the kill shot (Completed disproved) or the shot was fired from somewhere else.

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New polls show Florida has become tied but North Carolina has moved further to Clinton.

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Doesn't matter if they are. She should get the bad press for it. What happened last time round was a farce.

In the words of others.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R., S.C), a former federal prosecutor, said concerns were raised “when you have five immunity agreements and no prosecution, when you are allowing witnesses who happen to be lawyers…to sit in on an interview.” He added, “That is not the FBI that I used to work with. It looks to me like some things were done differently that I don’t recall being done.’’
and
“No wonder they couldn’t prosecute a case,” Chaffetz said. “They were handing out immunity deals like candy.”

Now another potential witness that could incriminate Clinton is supposedly seeking immunity.. Seems all too familiar. Paul Combetta all over again :shocked:

So whilst I have the opinion that it's well deserved. You can't deny the timing is pretty damning. I've only ever watched the Obama campaigns and elections so what's the worst election run/campaign anyone's ever seen? is it this?

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So why has the FBI opened their gob at such a crucial time ? either they are trying to influence the election or just plain incompetent

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Both. Their evidence for incompetence is clear with the quote above. The timing is just deliberate too.

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Then heads should roll ,and in a very public and humiliating way

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They tried to attack the first Madam President. I wouldn't be surprised if Americans feel the need to shove these emails or whatever the hell they are.

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Clinton can complain away. If the initial investigation hadn't ended as dodgy as it did then I'd sympathize. She had this coming.

The next in line asking for immunity that I mentioned above is Huma Abedin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aa5_story.html

Who is now rocking the papers.

All this rests on Coney's shoulder, he handed out the immunity deals, but the entire FBI looked ridiculous when evidence surfaced that Clinton and co had been tampering with the evidence. Now they're re-opening it. There's pressure on him, he's made the entire FBI look ridiculous. Coney will go soon but something seriously wrong has occurred on both occasions here.

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Well that's the question.

From his point of view it's difficult: If he hasn't said anything and after the election it emerged he could have then we would be in trouble. If this turns out to be nothing he is also in trouble.

What is clear is that he shouldn't have worded the statement to congress as poorly as he did. He attempted to downplay it afterwards but the damage was done. It's also emerged he was advised against this by the Justice Department.

However the rule about not attributing to malice that which is better explained by stupidity should suffice. At worse he has shown a desire to be in the limelight as with his press conference when the FBI brought no charges.

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They're reopening it because of the emergence of new e-mails. They're not revisiting the old e-mails, allegations of evidence tampering or anything else. They've found more e-mails and they're looking into it although we don't know if they involve Clinton's e-mail server nor if they even include her.

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We have the first polling from after the e-mails: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-batt...of-fbi-emails/

Not quite as bad for Clinton as first feared. People who are voting against her think it's a big deal, those voting for her do not. I think 'e-mails' are sort of priced in at this point. Clinton is ahead in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Trump in Arizona.

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Sorry didn't mean that to be used as part of this investigation it was just a summary of Comey himself and his involvement in its entirety and to be fair, a good reason on why he should be removed.

Go back to Trump and Clinton Jail quote.. Assuming Trump stuck to his guns and when he won, it'd be Comey in his sights. Now Comey has stumbled upon some new evidence..:D

Conspiracy to go with your Sunday dinners!

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Has anyone thought about another cog in the wheel. There are so many buildings and Hotels that have been built with that prat Trump's name on.

Just think of how many people her has bought off with all his dollars. Its always the same on the other foot.

Its very strange how this has come up with only 7 days to go. Sid in The Washington Times - l think. The FBI knew about these emails Several months ago.

So why bring it up now. No, l reckon its a 'stick in the wheel' to put voters off Clinton and to vote Trump. The FBI prat is a republican. Makes sense don't it

I bet Trump is a crook anyway

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Still no evidence the polls are moving: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...consult-230519

Still need to wait a bit longer.

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The Torygraph seems to think Clintons lead has been wiped out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ntons-11-poin/
However maybe they are only choosing one poll to get a headline.

In a way it will be funny if Trump does get in. That mad bloody country deserves him. If it only it didn't affect the rest of the World.

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They're choosing one poll and that poll had narrowed during the course of last week. It's been +2 Clinton (or +1 depending how you read it) since the e-mail.

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The polls didn't move that much when it was alleged Combetta and Clinton tampered with E-mails did they? Even though this is 'official' and the timing isn't great I don't see it making a massive dent.

I know it's coincidental but it's just funny how Trump talks about Hilary being put in jail and the FBI etc. Then Comey as above, the man that essentially made sure there was absolutely no chance of prosecution revives it from the dead.

I still say this all rests on his shoulders, something seriously dodgy has gone on.

Edit: Forgot, this is going on the assumption this fresh story brings about nothing relevant.