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The period 1992-1997 really doesn't map onto this one. The only thing it really has in common is the slim Tory majority, but even that similarity is superficial. Labour should have won in 1992 but the vote, while it swung their way, did not swing far enough. That is not what happened in 2015. Here, the Tories did not narrowly avoid defeat, they romped home with a significantly improved majority.

That in turn will affect the whole tenor of the next 5 years. From 1992, John Major led a fractious parliamentary party that knew it was on borrowed time. There's no point toadying up to the leadership if you know you have no chance of a ministerial career. The only strategy in those circumstances is to play to the gallery, namely the core vote in your own constituency. That is exactly what Major's infamous "barstewards" did, with the effect that they made the Tory party look ever more unelectable as 1997 drew near. They were not complacent and did not assume they would win in 1997. On the contrary, they knew there was nothing they could do to avoid defeat. The only question on election night in 1997 was how badly the Tories were going to get slaughtered.

On the other side of the coin, of course, you had Tony Blair, who in the late 90s looked just as attractive to the electorate at large as Jeremy Corbyn looks ridiculous today. I covered a by-election early in 1997 as a young reporter in what had been a safe Tory seat and followed Blair around a bit one day when he was out on the stump. The shock-and-awe of the New Labour election winning machine was astounding, all the more so because at the time we only dimly understood exactly how extensive it was. They made it look like there really was no alternative to Blair's Labour. Small wonder they won a thumping great landslide later that year.

There is absolutely no way Labour is going to be able to get that sort of operation together for 2020 - not with Corbyn in the vanguard.

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Would I? Ok thanks for telling me what I would have done maybe next time I'll consult you before I think of what to write.

Where did I write that this act makes him odious? Corbyn is odious because of what he stands for and always has. That's simply my opinion not a scientific fact and it's clear other people have different opinions which is just as well otherwise this place would be a tad boring. If he has a problem with the monarchy (and anything else for that matter) he's entitled to his opinion but he's not entitled to be disrespectful and over many years he's done just that many times - albeit without the full spotlight of the media upon him.

He is now the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition and if he can't bring himself to act accordingly, irrespective of his personal views, then maybe he should have thought about that before he took the job. That's just my opinion by the way.

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Just to add, following an unscheduled interruption, some weeks ago Corbyn decided he'll sing the national anthem during official events in future. I haven't branded him a hypocrite for changing his mind but doing so doesn't make me like him or his politics any more than I did. He's singing the anthem in his official capacity not his personal one and that's as it should be.

My memories of Corbyn and his antics go back over many years, way back to the 1970's and 80's, so they're certainly not just a function of where he is and what he's saying/doing now.

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Hadn't heard about this before but I wonder if Corbyn thinks about the merits (or otherwise) of spitting in other people's tea. John McDonnell evidently thinks it's quite OK.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...er-strike.html

Digusting!

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This thread has descended into the gutter :(

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I disagree:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...8&d=1444485835

:D

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She's got a video. I've just watched it :)

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It's not a hatred of his party (labour), it's a hatred of him and what he stands for. His 'comrades' took my grandfather into the forest to shoot him because he was dangerous to their communist cause (he was a landowner and a magistrate). His political system stole my fathers farm and my mothers house.

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Gutter? :rofl: The only people existing in the gutter are people like McDonnell and other Labour supporters who condone this sort of thing* and far worse, just like they did during the miners' strike and on numerous other occasions over the years. Imagine their extreme outrage had an evil Tory said such a thing. The nasty party? These people are utter hypocrites who think nothing of using intimidation and bully boy tactics so long as they get their way. Pathetic.

* and before anyone twists these words, NO that's not the same as saying that ALL Labour supporters condone it.





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They were fair game mate - just like everyone else who disagrees with them. It's really not that hard to understand why people like that are hated.

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They could just lie like the nasty party.

Cheers

Grim

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I don't hate his party i hate him. A man that has admitted he would not defend this country with our ultimate defence should we ever come under a nuclear attack. Comrade Corbyn is a danger to every man and child in this country. He harp's back to the Dinosaur days of the Labour 70's

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I don't hate his party i hate Dave. A man that has admitted he would not defend this country with our ultimate defence should we ever hit by an asteroid. "Pig fellatio" Dave is a danger to every man and child in this country. After all Dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid.

:rolleyes:

(Ironic, not sarcastic)

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Yeah, but your comment made no sense :D

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Bugrit, millennium hand an' shrimp!

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I had to google Bugrit, millennium hand an' shrimp! I get it now ;) Spot on. Respect. :)

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Neither does Dave, Corbyn's a joke at the same time as being the biggest threat to the UK in its history, ever, make your mind up Dave

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34508959

This lot are a complete shambles. As not very much time goes on their antics increasingly remind me of the 'good old days' of Ted Knight in Lambeth, Degsy Hatton in Liverpool, Bernie Grant and Linda Bellos in Harringey. What a fine job of running things they all did... :rolleyes:

Just a thought to any passing mods but would it be a good idea to rename this thread now since it's no longer a thread about Corbyn's victory?

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More on the latest u turn here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34518777

Nice to see Dianne Abbott coming to the aid of her old friend...

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Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership campaign part-funded by supporters of terror
:dozey:

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Oh dear, well he's changed his mind so many times already I don't suppose changing his official Christmas card list will be a big deal.

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Yeah why would anyone want a leader that is capable of changing their mind, far better to have a pig ignorant, stubborn, SOB that isn't for turning no matter how bad things get

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Anyhoo, what about comrade Corbyn being partly funded by terror supporters? :)

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Does not shock me one little bit.

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I am not really surprised ( but am a little amused) by our left wing bretherens resounding silence about their beloved leader being financially supported by supporters of terror.
Anyway, in todays news;
By hiring Seumas Milne, Jeremy Corbyn shows his utter contempt for real Labour voters

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To be honest by appointing Milne it does at least show he isn't backing down from his plan to move further left and IMO that will hasten his removal from the leadership position. The fact Milne has 'taken a temporary leave' rather than resigned his Guardian position makes me think he knows it isn't for the long term.

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Yeah far better for a party to be funded by hedge funds and tax avoiders and for them to shape government policy, that's clearly much better and working out great for everyone, well everyone except the vast vast majority of us

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-conservatives

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As opposed to supporters of terrorism?....Erm, yes :erm:

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Corbyn does indeed appear determined to take Labour into the realms of the regressive left.

Pity.

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Erm no if that parties in government and having policy shaped by them as ever with Corbyn what is actually happening is being overlooked in favour of what might happen

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I disagree. :)

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Parties will always have lunatic supporters - this applies to both sides of the political divide.

The problem with the current government is that the funding it gets from the "big business" and the City directly results in advantage for these privileged few to the direct detriment of the rest of the population. The disparity in wealth we have now which directly fuels the (London) property market will lead to real problems for the current and future generations. The mindless pandering to the market wherever it wants to go together with the wilful refusal to responsibly invest in the infrastructure of the country will lead to a place we all do not want to go. The bad news is that without a credible opposition, that is where we are going like it or not.

The fact that Corbyn has a lunatic supporter is meaningless when compared to what Dave is doing to the country ..

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The Conservatives have been in power near on 6 years now so they cannot blame previous governments anymore so if they make a balls up in these next four years then they only have themselves to blame for it.

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Not so sure about that Den. Plenty here who still blame Thatcher. :erm:

Only one year of a true blue government anyway.

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Yes Maggie was certainly a very polarising figure for some that's for sure.

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You're right, let's just brush aside the inconvenient fact that Corbyn was funded by terror supporters......and tried to hide that :)

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I don't think this is a binary issue. We can be concerned by Mr Corbyn's less than stellar company he associates with at the same time as being concerned by the government.

A strong opposition is vital. If we find ourselves with an impotent opposition, led by a man who is having to spend most of his time with fingers in ears due to it increasingly appearing like he's authoritarian, illiberal and has a disdain for many aspects of 'western' life given his repeated associations with those who dislike us it weakens us.

I was rather hoping for progressive, liberal, left-wing politics from Mr Corbyn as a contrast to the Conservatives. Instead we seem to be getting authoritarian, regressive left-wing politics, straight out of the books of the Social Justice Warriors.

Tempted to start putting Corbyn quotes here as challenges.

Joined the Labour Party in the hope that from the ashes something good would be born. Thusfar I've been.... disappointed. I'm not that far away from leaving.

I would join the Liberal Democrats if they weren't so far up the EU's behind that you can tell when Juncker necks his first cognac of the day by the flush on Tim Farron's face.

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:LOL:

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You are right, it is not binary. I was just emphasising the relative importance of the two. We certainly should be concerned but probably when the hyperbole turns into real Labour Party policy. At the moment it is just a "Corbyn's friends are nutters" fixation. At this point the electorate will have a real choice on policy until then it is just media conjecture where he really will take Labour.

I am more worried about where the people who are actually in power are taking the country especially when they are so fixated on simplistic market driven principles together with "run the country like your household" economic policy.

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the leading 1st world countries and look at national infrastructure ownership & investment policy. I wonder how Britain compares in this respect especially the borrowing (at historically cheap rates) to invest in infra projects

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.....and quite rightly so. One is judged by the company one keeps

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Don't need to brush that aside. It's wrong but then Corbyn has a lot of form for these dodgy associations. The Telegraph had a thing a week or so ago about him and the IRA. Not sure what else can said about it, it's wrong.

When it comes to Party funding though then it is the case that people will bring up the Tories too.

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Yes, look at Dave and George cosying up to the Saudi's and China :)

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I entirely agree that it's an unhealthy fixation. The media were, for the most part, always going to be pretty hostile to Corbyn.

He appears to be giving them a steady supply of material to work with.

I'm struggling to see the policy options as I'm yet to hear a coherent and achievable set of options come from Mr Corbyn's cabinet.

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Indeed. Their revolting sycophancy to Saudi Arabia makes me feel nauseous, and the sucking up to China for investment, selling the UK taxpayer an oriental version of PPI, is insane.

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We're not that bad as the 1st world collectively appears to have decided to screw over the young in order to concentrate on short-term spending to buy votes.

It's immoral to leave excessive debt to the young but apparently fine to ensure they will struggle to pay the bills they will have as we haven't provided the infrastructure.

I will be ensuring my retirement is self-funded, as I wouldn't blame our youth if they tell us to go rotate given the mess it looks like we're going to leave them, a mess we in turn inherited.

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I still believe he doesn't intend to lead Labour into 2020 and has no desire to become Prime Minister. As you said there appears to be no coherent plan or platform coming from the Leadership but what's just as bad is that he appears to disappear for days at a time without attempting to challenge the Government, dominate a news cycle or set the agenda. He just seems to surface sporadically and appears to have an aversion to the media.

Either he and his team are grossly incompetent and unable to handle the situation they've got themselves into or he is attempting to reshape the party in his own image so when he does step down the grassroots will be firmly established and in a position to deselect moderate MPs and set party policy. The replacement leader will then be from his wing of the party.

It's probably both.

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A very prescient post indeed.

He has appointed various people who do an impressive job of appearing incompetent at very least to positions in his shadow cabinet.

Anyone who allows Diane Abbott anywhere near the front bench has issues.

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Jezza has already allowed Diane Abbot near his front bench. And his sofa. And his boudoir. :erm:

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Don't even go there! :sick:

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Labour is now being run just like one of their loony London boroughs of the 70's and 80's. Look how well they did...

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Seumas Milne sent his children to top grammar schools
Hypocrisy that I've come to expect from Labour.......oh, and he's a millionaire as well.....just like all decent Stalinists :rolleyes:

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Don't worry. I have a low opinion of Cameron as well :)

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I think we're agreed that all politicians are lying hypocritical **** varying only by severity.

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Yes they are pretty much all as bad as each other with a few even worse.

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Funny how so many of these people spend their lives decrying privilege but don't mind enjoying a bit of it themselves when it suits.

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