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More Tory's will defect. Helen Grant will probably loose her seat in Maidstone.

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They won't defect if UKIP do poorly.

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^This.

In fact I'd go further and say that Tory MPs are not going to defect unless UKIP does extraordinarily well. Which it won't.

The next real "jumping off" point for disaffected Eurosceptic Tories will be when the in/out referendum campaign kicks off, and how many of them jump, will depend on what the "in" offer turns out to be.

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Except for the ones who fund and/or support Labour..... ;)

Martin Taylor

Labour in the City

PwC

And let's not forget John Mills, who gave Labour £1.65 million in shares to avoid paying tax on his donation.....

And this article shows that the Financial Services sector are the Labour Party's second biggest donors, after the Trade Unions....

So what was that you were saying about "Bankers are Tories"?

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I get confused with all this EU stuff ( but thats me all over) but havent the Torys said there will be a referendum after the Uk has renegotiated its membership but today, the EU has said there will no renegotiation for the UK. So are we being told fibs?

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Cameron intends to go to the EU and ask for a renegotiation. The European Commission may well wish to assert that this is not possible before 2019, but in reality it's not their call. If the member states want it (in particular, the biggest ones, and most particularly, Germany), then it will happen.

The exact nature of any "new deal" is another matter. Cameron has already said that whatever he is offered, he will recommend we accept with an "in" vote, which to me suggests he's not terribly serious about the whole thing.

The only way of getting maximum leverage over the EU is to invoke Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon, announcing our intention to leave and compelling the other member states to negotiate our post-membership relationship with the EU. At that point we can remind them that if they want to keep selling their cars and sausages in the UK, they had better give us a favourable deal.

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Basically Cameron had to find a way to turn down the volume from some of the anti EU members of his party, So he offers them a chance of a referandum knowing that he will call for a no to leaving vote anyway. The EU will offer him some token changes that will have no affect at all on the parts of the EU that really matter to you and me in the first place.

There again he may have lied and just not have the referandum like he did last time. :rolleyes:

And this all depends on Nicky boy joining up with him in another Con - Lib lovin

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The Treaty of Lisbon reminds of the time when Nevil Chamberlain went to see Herr Hitler and when he got back, got of the plane, he held his hand up and said, I have Here a Piece of Paper. Peace in our Time Speech.

And we can't sell or cars or sausages there either.

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Too true. :tu: Same old 'they're all Tories' garbage from people who haven't got any other argument. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

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Well, we can, actually, to the extent that we even make them.

The point is, we are better at selling to the rest of the world than most EU member states, so trade barriers between the EU and the UK would hurt them more.

I'm not sure what your point is regarding Chamberlain. He believed he had an understanding with a dangerously unstable fascist dictator. We are bound by treaty with a couple of dozen democratic states. Hardly the same thing.

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And we'd save the vast sums of money we pump in and don't get back. One less net contributor to fund the Eurogravytrain.

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Indeed it was and one clue as to why that happened is because Tony Blair and the rest of the Labour party decided to use Thatcherite policies ,when he used his own policies after his second election win that's when it all started going downhill

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Shock horror ... The last Labour government ran a surplus for five years after inheriting a growing economy bequeathed to them by Tory policy, and after adhering to Tory spending plans for at least half that period.

Afterwards, of course, all bets were off, and Brown became adept at excusing borrowing for almost any purpose as "investment".

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started going downhill after the illegal Iraq war

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I just wish the various parties would stop telling us how much more they're going to throw at the NHS and focus a bit more on ensuring the money they do spend isn't wasted. We all know there's massive mismanagement within the NHS but nobody seems very keen to tackle it and anyone who does gets accused of wanting cuts.

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Looks like the Right to Bribe plans haven't gone down too well. You can fool people into thinking that we must run a budget surplus by 2017, but not that privatising what social housing we have left so that it can be added to private stock and funded with landlord benefit then forcing local authorities to pick up the tab for the discounts is a good plan.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/18.png

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Shock :shocked:

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More money then sense obviously....

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http://news.sky.com/story/1466365/ex...ves-1m-to-ukip

Howabout this for a kick in the nuts for Cameron and Miliband, But it goes to show you that there are rich people that will stand up for the weak and vulnerable people of this great country

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It will be interesting to see whether people are happy that profits from the health lottery are being donated to UKIP.....

Like almost all newspapers, sales of his titles are in freefall, so it will be difficult to establish negative reaction there.

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I think the money will be worth more than the endorsement. There are spending limits though, it might have come a bit too late.

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Yet more cartoons from the Times site, love the first one.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...oo_889179c.jpg

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...14_887955c.jpg

Don't remember posting this one, but might well have done. Here it is again anyway.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...15_884396c.jpg

Full credit for the cartoons posted go to Peter Brookes and Morten Morland.

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I think the debate tonight was superb. To me yet again Sturgeon wont it for me at the way, she took on Miliband.

I can see a coalition between Labour and Sturgeon. Its pretty obvious that it will be another two parties in power. As the way Ed and Nicola were arguing with each other.
Brilliant

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It was pretty good. Miliband did do well although I suspect they'll all be happy. No one did badly.

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What did you think of the bit where Milliaband said he wouldn't enter into a coalition with the SNP?

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Banana. I think that is a red herring. It is clear that if Ed won win by a small majority. As UKIP will come up the outside.

Labour in Scotland, as predicted will be wiped out by SNP As Scotland used to be a strong Labour vote.

So therefore Labour would have to go into partnership with SNP or even UKIP to run the country.

Sadly, Lib Dems will be wiped out totally, with Clegg, the bookies favourite to lose his seat. Cameron has no fear of losing his seat Witney, is one the of the strongest Tory seats going - rich farmers

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Red herring or lying on live TV?

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He can't say he will do a deal because it will kill Scottish Labour and harm English Labour. Also it's a coalition they don't ruled out. Nothing about a supply and confidence deal. At the moment the polls point to a minority Labour government propped up by the SNP.

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Woo Hoo!

it's like waiting for Xmas day to hurry up and get here.

Can't wait to see Dave's angry face when he's booted off the God throne and he loses all power and he can't go and see Obama and everyone again.

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Like I say, I thought UKIP voters were morons. But I really do feel that Labour voters are morons if they want us to go back to borrow and borrow and spend and spend, leaving Britain close to having to go cap in hand to Germany. I wish voters would wake up and realise that yes a lot if financial decisions have been unpopular but necessary to stop us being controlled by Germany.

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my thoughts on that where -he'll change his mind in 5 seconds flat if it means he can be PM. he cannot be trusted he even stabbed his own brother in the back .

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gaty does it not concern you that if labour do a deal with the SNP part of the deal appears to test on getting rid of trident. Have you seen what Russia is up to at the moment?

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Course it doesn't, why would anyone be worried about what's been going on in Crimea and the Ukraine?

I mean invading and annexing parts of another country and stirring up this sort of thing at home isn't anything for us to be concerned about is it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32283456

Don't expect any coherent answer to your question though...

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Meanwhile some more good news for HMG which won't please the Labour economy wreckers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32346214

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/84767bbe-e...#axzz3XYFdMLfQ

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Labour will not scrap trident. The only reason the SNP have made it their red line is because they know it's a non-starter but it gives them an excuse to put towards their moderate supporters on why they cannot a coalition.

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And more good news on jobs for HMG:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32348353



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They'll probably dither about it for far too long, allow costs to escalate and we'll wind up getting the Trident equivalent of our Aircraft Carrier 'solution'.

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Paywall Linky

Alt Linky

Poll of Polls:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...6&d=1429266023

Something of a trend there. Looks like the UKIPer's are coming back to the Tory fold.


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Nigel Farage's banal performances in the debates have probably helped, too.

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The odds are still stacked against the Conservatives though....

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...gainst-cameron

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Yup UKIP have been slowly losing steam since the new year. It looks like it's starting to accelerate. It's also the only chance the Tories have of getting back in Government. The collapse in LibDem support means they'll need to make up more seats than last time.

Still looks quite difficult to see how the Tories can win power. The arithmetic is against them and they'll have few allies elsewhere in Parliament.

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ukip is the second nasty party

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Does that mean that the SNP are the second ******* party?

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In case people aren't aware of how difficult Cameron remaining in No 10 is. This FT analysis shows the barrier they are up against: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43838f80-e...#axzz3XZLOtGXy

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/14.png

In case you don't think that's legit try this BBC game: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32336071

It's really hard to see how the Conservatives can do it unless they or the Liberal Democrats hold onto a lot more seats then they're currently projected to do so. Even then the LibDems might be minded to go with Labour.

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Watching all these debates. They all seem to be fighting with one another, I hope Labour gets a good majority in England, As for Scotland I hope the silent manoriity come out and vote against this nippy Nicola, She will drive us all nuts , We need Labour to get a good result in Scotland

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Any other time I may have said yes.

but Dave's posh boy face and voice really grates on me.
you know when you get the urge to punch someone in the nose?

well that's how Dave affects me. and the only way my mental health will ever improve is when he's not PM anymore.

I may feel the same about Ed. but Dave really has to go. I can't stand him :)

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But suppose Labour are well in the minority in England but still get to #10 on the SNP coat tails?

Don't you think the majority English Tory voters (as the polls show) would be well peed off having a Labour minority government foisted upon them by the SNP?

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I think that prospect would go down like a lead balloon - Labour wreckers in cahoots with SNP separatists would be a disaster for the UK as a whole and do wonders for English nationalism.

If the SNP had got their way Scotland would be in real trouble now but I don't suppose all those deluded 'Bravehearts' who bought into the flawed argument want to hear that.

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Wales will return some Labour MPs as well. However this is the way our system works. Scotland get representation as well and, let's not kid ourselves, those seats would largely be going to Labour if they weren't going to the SNP.

The SNP isn't the reason the Tories stand to lose. It's the fact the Tories are weaker in England than they should be in order to win an election as well as their historical weaknesses in Wales & Scotland meaning they depend on running up the score in England.

You say the English Tory voters are in the majority but it's a very small majority and they're trounced by the left-wing regions.

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A small majority is still a majority. I bet the SNP wish they'd had one...

A Labour SNP deal would see an awful lot more people voting Tory I reckon.

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The fact it's small means it's not enough to overcome the larger majorities in Scotland & Wales. We're not electing a English Government. We're electing a British one so having a small majority in England doesn't help them. The Tories need a much larger majority in England in order to win.

The prospect of the Labour/SNP deal is what the Tories are using to get England to vote Tory but they've been doing that for a few weeks now and the polls aren't moving yet. A collapse in UKIP support and better Liberal Democrat polls numbers is the best chance the Tories have.

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I wasn't referring to the election results- just the number of people who vote Tory. We all know the electoral system is biased very heavily against the Tories so they need more votes to achieve the sort of majority that same number of votes would get for Labour's loonies. DC's failure to do something about that could come back to haunt him. More voters, however, will eventually lead to more seats especially if, as we can be certain, an SNP backed Labour govt. holes the ship and people start to realise and feel the effects of the nonsense they actually voted for. I'd rather not see the recovery set back but there are clearly lots of people out there who would do for reasons best known to themselves.

I think UKIP's fall in support is largely Tories who wanted to make a point but now realise they'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by voting UKIP.

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Also Cameron has only himself to blame for the rise of the SNP. His mismanaged the referendum giving Salmond too much sway over the timing of the vote and wording of the question. Then he did that idiotic, irresponsible and cynical speech after the vote where he suddenly attached EVEL conditions to the promises he made before the referendum. It looked like Westminster backtracking on the promises made and give excellent ammunition to the separatists to turn defeat into another cause to fight for.

In 2010 the Union seemed secure and Scottish Independence a pipedream. In 2015 the issue is dominating the election. Cameron's legacy may well be the breakup of the Union. He doesn't seem to care by the way he is talking about Scotland now either, he'll happily spur that on if it gains him a seat or two down south.

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The boundary advantage isn't too bad if Labour don't have Scotland. If you look at the current polling Labour and the Conservatives are neck-and-neck but so are the seats.

The problem is Labour have more possibilities for a coalition or confidence and supply than the Conservatives do. They're both heading for a draw but the SNP will push Labour over the top.

As I said the two things that can stop this are a collapse in UKIP support and better than expected Liberal Democrat seats.

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tories are the nasty and ******* party only a ******* party would treat poorest people like them do

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That aside, Salmond would have got the same result versus anyone. He had the advantage of being able to spout nationalist nonsense directed at the auld enemy and people voted for it in Scotland just like they voted for Putin in Russia and are still doing in spite of their economic woes. Nationalism is highly effective in overcoming common sense it seems.

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Cameron is talking up snp as he know it only way he can get back in number 10 snp taking lots of seat from labour so he could win by back door

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And in more good news for HMG:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32347783

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What. you think Dave is gonna say this is down to him. or are we expected to say this is down to him?

Labour to Win.
Britain will be Great once again.

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Like 1979 then? (Sick man of Europe after another failed Labour administration)

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:rofl:

Since when was Britain great under Labour?? It's laughable but no accident that the usual suspects never learn. Through their failed ideology, social engineering and economic mismanagement Labour have brought this country to its knees more than once. Great again under Labour... :rofl: :rofl:

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please tell me who was last government to have unemployment to over 3 million and last one to have 2 recession in there term of power clue not labour

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Conservatives!

even Osem knows that. but I think he's on commision :)

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http://www.conservativehome.com/plat...o-the-snp.html

Jim Murphy, Charles Kennedy and Douglas Alexander will all lose their seats on current polling.

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I think the Lib Dems sabotaging the long-overdue boundary changes may have something to do with it as well, putting a kibosh on the proposal to have constituencies made up of the same numbers of voters....

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For every vote he gets he on a penny in the pound.;):D

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It may not have helped but it's not as if the Tories are winning the popular vote either. They are tied or behind Labour on vote share and Labour are only projected to be around 1 to 3 seats ahead of the them. The problem is that to make up the remaining seats the Tories' have few Parliamentary allies.

To put it into perspective Labour are tied with the Tories (on vote share) despite their pending annihilation in Scotland.

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Dave will give it him in the one hand.

and take it all back and more with the other :)

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I think when the stark reality dawns upon them, what a lot of people currently say they're going to do might change significantly, especially if the economic news remains good and there are no major govt. cock ups. The result will be close whatever happens I'm sure and we're in for some turbulent times.

Of course, whatever the result, the usual sad whiners whose lives revolve around blaming everyone else for their problems will carry on doing so rather than looking a little closer to home. That's the easy thing to do after all, much harder to take some responsibility...

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This.


Some democracy...

We're well overdue a massive overhaul of the whole politics/electioneering process, we're no longer a 19th Century model, two main parties with massively differing ideologies is no longer pertinent, nor is the TPTP system, come to that with abysmal voting turnout, maybe time to look at on-line voting too.

All of these changes are needed, I'm not holding my breath that they'll happen any time soon though.

Lib Dems tantrum on the boundary changes though, really was a backward step. - cnuts.

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Well the Liberal Democrats did want Lords Reform but the Tories blocked that too. It was a bit of a tat-for-tat there.

Still if you look at the polling and the projected seat share I don't see much evidence that this is the reason the Tories are suffering. It depends on what projection you use, some take into account the polls of marginals by Ashford, but in pretty much all cases there is a rough correspondence between vote share and seats. Scotland going to the SNP has muted Labour's electoral advantage a bit.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oll-projection

So here the Tories have a lead of 0.2% and are 2 seats behind Labour. This is too close to put down to boundaries.

It will be an issue if Labour build a lead as they need less of an overall share to secure a majority but at the the moment it's so close that at handful of voters in a few consistencies could swing it either way.

Sorry but if you look at the polls and projections the reason why the Tories are odds on to be in opposition this time next month is thus:

1) UKIP depressing Tory support in England.
2) Wales & Scotland being overwhelmingly learning to the left.

It's simple. The Tories need to run up the score in England to balance out their weaknesses outside of it. They're failing to do this. It isn't the fault of the boundaries, it isn't the fault of the SNP, it's their fault. They have, imo, a decent enough record over the last 5 years to be given another 5 years but they've failed to convince people of that.

Incidentally I agree the voting system is broken. I think for the sake of our politics and the Union as a whole we need to changing our voting system. I don't see the legitimacy of a system where UKIP could get 15% of the vote to the Liberal Democrats' 8% and have a fraction of the seats. That's probably a different topic however.

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I thought this for a while too. Economic good. Why risk it?

Yet the polls don't budge! :erm: Still I think we will see huge tactical voting this election. In Scotland we may well see Unionists across the country voting to stop the SNP as best they can. We're talking Conservatives voting for Labour, Labour supporters voting for Tories. Jim Murphy might lose this seat. Douglas Alexander too. I suspect Tories will hold their noise and vote for them instead. The rival to Douglas Alexander is a 20 year old SNP candidate.

I think the Tories are trying to help Clegg out as well. He might lose his seat to Labour. This is one less seat for a Tory-Liberal coalition but also Clegg is more receptive to the Tories than a lot of candidates to replace him. The Tories need Clegg to hold his seat.

Hell I think the Tories and Dems should agree a pact whereby they pull support and resources from candidates where their own candidates aren't competitive but the other party is competing with Labour for it.

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Dave isn't interested in the normal person.
Dave isn't going to do what he didn't do in the last 5 years. what he says he's going to do if you forgive him and give him another 5 years.

in the last 5 years he's been concentrating on making the rich richer. and the poor poorer.
now he's pretending that he's on your side. and is asking you to give him another 5 years to help you.
but really he just wants another 5 years of making the rich richer. and the poor even poorer.

he's telling you stuff that he's going to do to help you. which you have to ask why couldn't he do in the last 5 years he's had?
is he lying to you?
yes he is.

Vote Labour.
get rid of the toff in a suit that only has his rich friends interests in mind.

That was a party election broadcast by the Get Dave Out Party.

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The way I see it, the Tories won the most seats last time. I can't see how they would lose any of those votes this time out.

Considering the seats Labour could lose in Scotland, I can't see them getting more seats than the Tories.

I think SNP & UKIP won't do nearly as well as they think they will.

I have confidence that there are more sensible people in this country than knob heads.

I forecast a slim Tory majority, or another ConDem coalition, because I think the Tories will win more seats and the LibDems will still have just enough to top the balance.

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Is it a requirement for a fan of the nasty party to be nasty to a non fan of the nasty party?

Both you and and Osem are either following the fan club rules. or you're both getting too upset about Dave being evicted soon :D

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You mean public school educated, Oxbridge, never done a real job, avoided tax on a £2m mansion inheritance with two kitchens (one for nanny) and is happy to take donations from rich buisness men and fat cat union leaders? Oh wait a moment...

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Waiting....

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People on here cannot keep banging on about how well the coalition has done and how bad labour were time has passed the conservatives went back on so much they said in 2010 that no one in their right mind would take them at face value this time round. That's putting aside the many scandals of friends of high ranking Tories benefitting from the Tories being in power and you can shout recovery a thousand times a day but if people are not feeling it they don't believe it. I'm a tory by nature but cannot vote for this current conservative party not with a good conscience.

Can't vote labour either milliband is the deal breaker there if nothing else putting aside the whole brother thing every time I see him on TV this feeling of dislike and distrust wells up. Lib dems hahahaha after 2010 not a cat in hells chance they can bang on all they want about keeping the Tories in line but they sold their soul and many of their principles for power. Ukip no thanks I'd rather chew my arms off then let them ever vote for them, lot of very nasty stuff they stand for and are not honest about if asked.

So on voting day tele will be off and I'll make a bacon sarnie time far better spent then spoiling a ballot as no politician will have the courage to allow a "none of the above" or "no confidence in any party" option.

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Well I'm no lover of this lot but the alternatives are too awful to contemplate. :(

The recovery, such as it is for many will eventually filter down and most will feel the benefit. Trusting those who were resposible for the huge boom and consequent bust that then needed austerity to compensate for is a non-starter.

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It wasn't directed at you specifically, but if the cap fits...........

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its amazing how many gunner policies have suddenly come into play
every one is gunner do this gunner do that and only a few weeks ago they were gunner do nothing :)

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And when they do get in. they're gunner do nothing like they promised they were gunner do. and we're gunner have to wait another 5 years to get them out and put somebody back in who is gunner do what they say they're gunner do.

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Well that's the most sensible thing you've posted in this thread. :D

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Yeah, Miliband's really in touch with the working man - he meets loads of them on Hampstead Heath and in all those nice working men's pubs and cafes he frequents around where he lives after a hard days shopping for bargains in Lidl and Poundland... :rofl:

'One nation' Miliband is about the biggest joke since Prudence Brown! :D

All these gross unfairnesses they're now going to tackle as a matter of urgency. :rolleyes: Pity they didn't sort them out when they were actually in power for 13 years using their parliamentary majority to spend our money like confetti, borrow us into the ground and privatise the NHS via PFI.

Never mind the facts though eh? Just vote Same Old Labour and they'll make it all better this time... :rolleyes:

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The breath-taking disingenuousness and irony of your post surpasses your normal utterances - you continually and casually insult the Conservatives (the party and the voters) by calling them "nasty", and then have the brazen audacity to call someone else out for name-calling.

You are a true epitome of the modern Labour Party leadership - "do as I say, not as I do....". ;)

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It's typical nonsense from someone who has no answers to anything and just spouts puerile, simplistic twaddle irrespective of the facts. It's easy to do too which is why the intellectually challenged tend to fall back on the same tired old guff. In the absence of any substance it makes them feel a little better...

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as far as i can see a vote for labour will just put the snp into power and thats not good for the uk -there are only two real choices con or ukip if the others get into power we are all doomed .

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Now God’s backing Ukip? PAKISTAN church goes Farage crazy calling for divine intervention

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/571...one-Ukip-ga-ga

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Really what did he do boff his wife, nick his share of an inheritance, this sounds really juicy you should get on to the press and see if the story is worth a few quid

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its only politics don't let it upset you :(

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Having a dig at the labour party will never upset me, I just find these tales of ed stabbing David in the back amusing, they went for the same job big deal, they way people go on about it anyone would think he'd usurped him as king or something. Tell you what else I find mildly amusing, a kipper telling me not to get upset by it all, yet you only have to mention St nigel in anything other than veneration and kippers heads literally explode all over you with bile.

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are you sure your not upset you do come over as a little vexed why don't you say something nasty about "Nigel" it might make you feel better and don't worry it wont bother me or any of the ukip voters out there .

and it does seem that some do think he stabbed his sibling in the back
..........

'Do you regret stabbing your brother in the back?' That's not the way I'd describe it, says Ed as he is grilled by young voters

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He only stabbed his brother in the back if there was some sort of entitlement for his brother to have become leader. There wasn't. He was the favourite but there was no reason why he had any more right to be leader than his brother did. It's silly.

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It'll bother you and the rest of the kippers, you've been programmed to react that way. Oh wait the reporter says he might be being paranoid it's okay, carry on being not bothered

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...athy-vote.html

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Nail. Hit. On. Head

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I call the party nasty. I don't pick on the voters. that's against the forum rules. imsulting other posters.
you shouldn't do it. you should debate. not insult them just because they're not a fan of who you're a fan of.

I won't say what you are ;)

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Vote Labour.

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Or don't if you have an IQ above 6

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I'm guessing you say 6 because you know he's a 7 :D

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Conservatives take four-point lead over Labour in Opinium/Observer poll.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ll-challengers

However.

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The polls are still level pegging. All these variations tend to swing back and forth and remain within margins of error.

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Scary isn't it, Grommet in the driving seat, no real credible noise from Labour during the last 4.5 yrs as Opposition, yet they're racing neck & neck with the muppets in power now, those muppets now (particularly ID(Git)S should do well to reflect on why that is.
By acting the way they did with the demonising, target reaching, and inflammatory way they approached the welfare bill, they've alienated and pee'd off more than they realised - all completely avoidable.
Not the smartest way to make friends and influence people really, and they'll probably be rewarded by losing power, and replacing the Muppets with The Clangers. You couldn't make it up.

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i wouldn't want the back stabber sat behind me ;)

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I don't think that the welfare cuts would have been popular amongst some members of society whichever way the conservatives had gone about it and that says more about sections of our society than it says about the conservatives .The cuts had to made for a variety of reasons not just because of the state of the economy and at least the cons had the guts to see them through

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Do you really think it's just that though? I would assume that people who were, and are, on various benefits are unlikely to have been Conservative voters (also let's remind ourselves the majority are genuine claimants).

There must be another reason the Tories are struggling. It could be that the recovery has been felt to an unequal degree and those towards the 'decent income but not rich' might not have felt it and feel resentful of that fact. Maybe the fact the recovery has been lopsided towards house prices means that those with assets have felt better off but those that aspire to get on that ladder feel further away than ever.

I think another part of it is UKIP. The Conservatives have struggled to keep some of their core supporters whilst reaching out to the more liberal/moderate voters. There is a sizeable amount of conservative voters who feel they've been let down over Europe, immigration and a general sense of conservative values being abandoned in favour of a more urban 'metropolitan' type of voter.

I don't actually know why really. Maybe it's just a general sense of dissatisfaction at all parties means the vote is split but as I said above this means Labour/SNP win as they have a wider appeal outside of England.

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To be clear, it's not the fact that cuts were made, they WERE needed, it's the way they've gone about them.

People declared 'fit to work' to meet bs targets, then drop down dead
Bedroom tax, despite in many areas the only accommodation available has 'too many 'rooms'
Young people who now have more chance of seeing God than ever getting on the housing ladder
Bankers who seem to be exempt from everything 'ordinary people' have to endure when they cock it up
etc etc etc

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There is a sense that both Labour and Tories represent remote, metropolitan politics-as-usual. This has dented both their votes in different ways, depending on whether there is a viable local alternative.

The single biggest example of this is the SNP in Scotland, where wee nippy Sturgeon has, apparently, successfully convinced the electorate that they are True Labour, as opposed to a broad coalition of agitators who only really agree on one thing (the wrecking of the UK).

UKIP stands to gain in East England and one or two other places that, I suspect, were working class Tory in the days of Margaret Thatcher.

Elsewhere, the Greens and the Plaidos will pick up votes, but will they find their support sufficiently concentrated in any one place to make much of a breakthrough? I suspect not.