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@ Jimmy - Is it any wonder that at a time when the 'official' version of events so often doesn't tally with the evidence before our eyes, that people increasingly don't trust politicians anymore and are inclined not to even to bother voting. To that extent, they reap what they sew.

In regards to security, they tell us our borders are safe but we all know that's ridiculous and that HMG has no idea who the people gaining entry into the UK illegally every day really are and what danger they may represent. Their response is to tell us they're being tough on UK residents returning from Syria etc. but there may be any number of budding terrorists amongst the ranks of asylum seekers/migrants being rubber stamped in Italy etc. then heading through Europe whose real ID's and motives cannot be known. Last night on C4 news they did a piece on the trade of migrants being shipped into Italy and Greece. They interviewed a Syrian guy who acts as a middle man between the migrants and the traffickers and he made the point that allowing migrants into the EU in this manner was a far greater risk to security than engaging in a proper controlled migration/asylum process through which people with papers and proper ID could be assessed and then admitted (or not). Of course that process wouldn't stop the rest turning up in boats without any ID but if the numbers continue to grow as they are doing, something will have to be done no matter how our glorious leaders try to gloss over the appalling reality of what's going on and the plight of millions of people.

Meantime:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30844878

This article is interesting too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30717728

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Jihadists killed in Belgium swoop were inspired by the murder of Lee Rigby says investigator as first photograph emerges from blood-spattered home where they were killed
New image emerges showing blood strewn across the walls of the house where police killed terror cell members
Belgium's ministry of justice said a 'second Paris (attack) has been avoided' after police smash Islamic terror cell
ISIS cell planned to film horrific murder of policeman or judge and circulate the footage online, police sources said
Belgian prosecutor says extremists were inspired by murder of Lee Rigby on the streets of Woolwich in 2013
Commandos killed two suspected Islamic State jihadists and arrest a third in swoop in eastern town of Verviers
Dead suspects believed to be Redouane Hagaoui (Abu Khalid Al Maghribi) and Tarik Jadaoun (Abu Hamza Belgiki)
Terror cell was 'equipped with Belgian police uniforms, four Kalashnikov machine guns, handguns and explosives'
Dozens of simultaneous raids across country were 'triggered by return of terror kingpin from abroad to Verviers'
13 people were arrested in last night's raids, and it's thought five have so far been charged with terror offences
Some cell members were not at home and could now be at large


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3P18Jmvx4
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It seems that France is applying some double standards where freedom of speech is concerned.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-eu-30829005

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There is a HUGE difference between saying "don't kill people" or "why are you killing people" and saying "let's kill people".

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So free speech isn't always free speech? Or is that 'different'?

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Yawn..........

How many times does it have to be said.

Freedom of speech with the confines of the law.

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As above

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Finally someone else in this thread gets it.

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In any event publishing those cartoons in the UK will soon be illegal thanks to another illiberal and entirely un-conservative law being brought in by our Conservative-led government which of course their supporters, those you'd imagine to be 'conservatives', think is absolutely fine.

Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15.

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You'll have to tell me where it says that.

I haven't read the whole thing, but I've looked in the sections where I thought it might be and can't find it.

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Think we all "get" that, was just so obvious it didn't need saying

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not judging by some of the posts in this thread.

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Indeed. One poster in particular stands out.

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You're the main one that doesn't get it

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Ah sorry - the good stuff is in the consultation document attached.

Nurseries being required to monitor for risk of terrorism in their kids is a highlight.

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The stupid and the powerful both have one characteristic in common - they alter the facts to suit their opinions.

At no point have I advocated breaking the law, even though I don't agree with it, so :upyours:

Do remember to remove your head from there first if you wish to shove the above animated finger up your hindmost orifice.

Have a great day!

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Nobody has said you advocate breaking the law ,i have just said that you simply do not get it and the majority of your posts backs that up

And that post says it all really ,you lost the argument so resort to insults

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I wasn't aware there was an argument to be had given that you haven't actually offered one with any kind of clarity at any point. The total lack of agreement from anyone with what you've said implies that any argument you did have was a fairly weak one.

I think the general gist of what you're saying is that the cartoons shouldn't be republished because of either 1) The repercussions and/or 2) It offends religious sensibilities.

Now if it's the first one there is no logic in this behaviour and, hence, cause and effect are somewhat broken. These nutjobs will always find an excuse. In the case of smaller news organisations it's also projecting cowardice onto them. While I see the point that large news organisations may be vulnerable smaller publications should, in the UK, not be.

If it's the second you're being an illiberal sycophant who appears more concerned with the obsessions of Koran literalists within a couple of flavours of Islam than basic human rights.

Both views are an insult to way more than just me. Contemptible.

EDIT: Incidentally something that's noteworthy is your lack of condemnation of the actions of the terrorists beyond that it was 'way OTT'. Quite the opposite actually, your opinion appears to be that Charlie Hebdo's staff, for want of a better phrase, 'had it coming'.

To borrow a phrase from you 'What a piece of work...'

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Freedom of speech at its best :clap:

There are some in this thread that would be at the front of the line to get their white feathers

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/01/5.gif

Sorry Boss!

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:)

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I've not seen him say anything like that. What I'm reading is "have your freedom of speech but accept that it will likely cause a reaction".

I don't see marty sticking up for Islamic nutters, being an apologist for them or saying anything that appears sympathetic to their 'cause'.

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That right there shows that you have totally and utterly missed the whole point of what I have been trying to get through to you so i'm going to leave you to fester in your own little cess pit of hatred for everything that doesn't meet your approval.

So, must i right everything i feel just for your benefit ? are you that important? incase it has escaped your notice i don't spend every waking moment on this forum like you condeming and insulting eveything from religion to politicians .The only reason i stayed in this thread after my initial comment on the BBCs decision to not republish the cartoons was your insistance that our press where cowards and since they appeared to have the same view as me i took your remark personally

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That's a particularly distastful comment ,even for you

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Thank you Russ ,at least someone is bothering to read the posts properly :tu:

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Just exercising freedom of speech

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Just because you can, doesn't mean you have to.... ;)

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All this disagreement yet still no beheadings...

I listened to a young Muslim who called into LBC this morning. Not in connection with this matter, I'll grant you, but in connection with the case of a Christian health visitor who's been disciplined for supposedly 'bullying' a Muslim. Something he felt was ridiculous. He spoke for a good while and talked a lot of common sense which at his age I don't suppose I had. I just wish the media would give more 'airtime' to people like him instead of fixating on the extremists which, let's face it, can be found amongst all communities.

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One of those occasions I agree with David Cameron.

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Tricky not to when polls indicate the minority who hold views that would be considered extremist, even if they don't act on them, is such a sizeable one. Oddly the media don't cover that angle either, they appear to instead try and claim that people killing while shouting 'Allahu Ackbar' is nothing to do with Islam; any Islam.

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Remarkably the vast majority of Christians, to take one example, make the same pronouncements about people such as Breivik and Kony not killing in the name of their faith.

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Don't tempt me... ;)

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...gunmen-5632641

I know, I'll poke a stick at a King Cobra then complain when it bites me.

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You'd think they'd gone soft if they didn't do anything.

and you'd think they've gone mad if they thought they weren't gonna do anything.

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So you'd be quite happy living around a large bunch of King Cobras having to constantly tiptoe around them waiting for them to attack?

Are Muslims the only ones allowed to go around killing people if they say that are offended by something or can we all join in?

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I'm assuming you've not really read much of this thread?

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This was a competition to see who could best insult Islam ,if you are going to hold a competition like that then expect some kind of retribution

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And what would have happened if they had insulted christianity, buddism, sikhism or one of the other popular mental aberrations ? :confused:

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What was so insulting? Even if there has been something nasty about the pictures, the attackers had no idea of what was in them. They were against the principle of ANY pictures.
The Islamic rule is JUST for Muslims, not everybody else. That is unless they are intent on imposing Islamic law on EVERYBODY. Before you know it they will be imposing things like Halal meat on people, oh wait a minute THEY ARE.

Many of the rest of "us" are offended by certain things, but not only do "we" have to put up with it, it is often FORCED upon "us".

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Considering that happens frequently, we know the answer.

Although.
At least the law there applies to ALL religions.

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Probably nothing at all which is the whole point :rolleyes: ,this competition was designed to provoke a reaction from known extremists ,the organisers didn't have a competition of cartoons of Jesus because it wouldn't get a reaction

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I don't actually think it possible to miss the point any more than you just did

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The irony is that if they did he would be depicted as white rather than the Arabic/Judean that he was.

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Indeed,I never saw an Arabic Jesus on the cross in all those bible belt towns they have in America........I wonder why

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Exactly and I can't understand why otherwise-intelligent people can't get their heads around this.

Do I think people are being over-sensitive at being insulted at these cartoons? Of course I do. But to then act surprised when the nutters react in that way after being provoked is utter stupidity.

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Zero surprise it happened, doesn't mean any accommodation should be given.

Look on the bright side, such actions are illegal here and indeed should Labour be elected we'll pretty much have blasphemy laws. Very progressive, open-minded and 21st century.

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Islam isn't the only religion of fear, but it's the one religion that should be feared the most.

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There really was no need to add that part.

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Sarcasm? please say it is.

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:D

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I support a Charlie Hebdo tribute weekly satire magazine. What do you think? ;)

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The more they get deliberately provoked, the more this will happen....

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Attacks like this are going to happen without provocation, people have the right to express their views, whether it be expressed verbally, through literature or artistically through paintings, drawing, cartoons or in any other form of expression, as long as it doesn't physically harm anybody.

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Absolutely, as long as they don't act surprised or claim to be shocked at the reprisals.

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there's expressing your views and there's poking them with a stick to see if they bite and guess what they bite, deliberately antagonising them is not big and its not clever and its always going to end bad

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I don't think they were surprised, they already had their own security and I believe the police were prepared for any incidents that may occur.

As for prodding them with a stick, I think we all know that it doesn't take much to offend them and their religion, (no prodding needed).

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Do you not notice an increase in attacks like this since people have given themselves carte blanche to ridicule Mohammed?

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Who are you and what have you done with the real papa smurf forum member..?

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I think the only problem is I understand the event was a very Stupid idea but its even more stupid for the people too come and shoot people over it, I mean is Allah really going to reward them I think not they have died for no reason shame they can't realize this.

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It's pretty obvious that attacks like this are going to happen when someone or something ridicules, offends their religion. What should not happen by any means, is for these fanatics to be able to suppress / terrorise anyone into not expressing their views or beliefs. As long as they don't harm anybody.

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The thing is that's the third someone someone has said that here in the past few days - nobody, and I repeat nobody here has suggested otherwise.

You really don't need to add that and I still cannot understand why people feel the need to continue to do so.

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I mean what could possibly go wrong?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/edl-founder...est-uk-1499608

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They could just all pretend to go, when the ISIS wannabe's show up, they'll find 6000 servicemen waiting armed to their teeth with two challenger's and a tornado bobbing about for good measure. Let them feel what it's like to feel hopeless and afraid with nowhere to run.

I was absolutely delighted to hear two of these idiots could only clip a bloke's leg before getting torn apart by bullets, great result and a lesson taught. Muhammad the prophet or no Muhammad, they'd have still done it regardless. They were beheading people long before the French egged them on. We don't bow down to Terrorist's, by all means respect the local muslim community if they've asked nicely and in a respectable way but never bow down to a direct threat. Let that threat come and make an example of them just like the Americans did.

I'm not right in saying any of this though, it's merely my personal opinion and likely morally wrong.

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Yeah who cares if a few innocents get killed as long as the Muslim nutters get filled with bullets hey?

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But they didn't kill anyone, It's a lot harder in the UK to just happen to have an automatic rifle. Define innocent, If people are willing to hold such an event then they're aware of the possible outcomes. You follow the same procedure the US did, we're far more prepared than we were years ago.

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I was going on your example.


Well yes but I'm not taking about it happening here.

You'd think so but someone people seem to be stumbling over themselves to exercise their "right to offend" whilst screaming mock-outrage when the nutters attack back.

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I'd scream outrage if they attacked with AK's. If they merely retaliated in a manner that mocked our own beliefs then I couldn't see how we could complain... They still would cry outrage of course.

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More examples of the religion of peace in action

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/06/as...-woman-killed/

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our andy's making friends again

'You want her to die!' Muslim hate preacher and extreme anti-Islam 'Draw Muhammad' activist face off in dramatic Fox confrontation

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3ZT7zLETk

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Tool.

More terrorist killings in France?
 

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:(

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The nutters strike again. :(

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And some idiots think we should relax our borders....

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How many of those in Italy at the moment and are about to travel here for the free money they will get are IS infiltrators ???

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Not enough facts and too much speculation..and we will get hours of this.

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I had a ride yesterday from a taxi driver from Afganistan and i became very very uncomfortable with a reaction he made when ISIS was brought up on the radio. We need to sort out these idiots once and for all, and dont tell me the Government doesnt know where a lot of these people are hiding thats the reason they are snooping on all our emails and phone calls.

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Some people just have no appreciation of cultural enrichment.

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Something new is happening in France: 'Man decapitated' near Lyon

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It is happening far to often.

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and an attack in Tunisia

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Yes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33287978

Tragic for all involved. :(

I spent some very happen times working there way back in the 1980s and was struck by how beautiful it was (for the most part) and the huge proportion of children/young people there. I hope Tunisia doesn't succumb to these monsters.

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And it's set to happen more and more.

you can tell they're going to go all out. what doesn't help is that they are prepared to die doing it. so getting caught doesn't worry them too much.

it's like you wanting to rob that bank you keep eyeing up. you don't do it because you're afraid that you might get caught.
but all they do is work out who to kill, where to kill and when to kill. and they just go and do it.

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Greatest numbers of ISIS killers come from Tunisia... and now they're coming home.

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That is very sad to hear.

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Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/26/gunsho...#ixzz3eBAfn6cg

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This is whats worrying in the UK. News reported a few weeks ago atleast 2000 people have returned to UK from fighting alongside ISIS and not one of them stopped.

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It will happen here and it will happen more often. We have people getting into this country via our porous borders, Borders made porous by our overlords in Brussels. We have no clue who the hell is entering this country and you can bet IS will have sent people via the route illegal immigrants are taking with the sole intension of entering this country to attack and kill.

We cannot do anything to prevent this because the EU says we cannot control our borders the way we would like to. We cannot send them back because there Human right to a family life will be infringed, we cannot send them back because we are supposed to be better than them and accept these things happen. We are supposed to bend over and take one for England with a smile on our faces :mad:

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Re the tunisian massacre this is the isis modus operendi.the tourists will stay away in droves the country will go broke and the spirits of the people broken then,isis will move in and will start their attrocities like in syria/iraq.watching the news just now with film of slow motion police helicopters,swat teams.like in a michael bay film.too late,too late.isis is running rings round the western nations as they know our governments are bleeding heart liberals and want to play by the queensberry rules.isis do not.

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Terrible things to happen today in these places, Will we ever get peace in the world, I don't think so

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Not while the religion of peace remains so popular.

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They will be the end of us.

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God made me do it. :rolleyes:

Ally Snack Bar

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Pretty much the first thing our PM said was that these guys don't represent Islam, and that Islam is a religion of peace.

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IS are setting about their own now

http://news.sky.com/story/1509002/su...sque-25-killed

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No that..........made me laugh.

It's funny.....'cos it's true.

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It's predictable, apologetic and dangerous rhetoric.

Call it for what it is. If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks.......it's a duck.

It's " Islamic terrorism". Call it Islamic facism if you want. The sad thing is that many moderate Muslims do not decry it. ( I've no facts to back that up)

Any way you want to cut it......it's Islamic.

If the terrorists goal is to break the tourist economy of Tunisia, they may well do it.

I said to the wife this year, after the attack earlier this year in Tunisia that I will not be going to Tunisa, Egypt, Morocco or Turkey ( basically anywhere Islamic)

I actually stayed in the hotel that was attacked in 2002, it was very nice!

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Feckwhit :rolleyes:

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Can someone tell me why we spend billions on aircraft carriers(with no planes),nuclear subs,nuclear missiles when all these bozos need to do is walk onto beaches with machine guns,mosques with bombs.And Cameron still wants to spend billions on upgrading trident.For what?

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So he can sit there at the top table with his testicles out giving it the large.

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I like well I don't like the way the families of these British nuts always come out with crap like they were got at on line or radicalised by hate preachers yet when you scratch the surface you find their fathers have been on hate rallies or their brothers are in prison for terrorist offences and despite knowing this we let the PM get away with making such statements, we don't want to hear about the religion of peace Dave we want you to tell us how many of these nuts you've rounded up and that you've got the situation in hand

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However remember we cannot kick them out of the country because they will claim they have a family life and demand there human rights. :mad:

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Because sadly IS isn't the only threat we/NATO/the west face as has been shown with what's going on in Ukraine right now. All the US's huge might couldn't prevent 9/11, is that an argument for them giving it all up? The carrier planes has been an enormous cock-up but such things rarely the fault of any one government. That's for another thread however.

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So is this man a terrorist or is he just not well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...wales-33252264

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Likewise for these two...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35784558

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Who cares, whatever he is he will be locked up out of harms way for a long time. Still what does that matter when he can be used as a way of detracting from the problem at hand which is Muslim terrorists walking amongst us

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He's a head case, that needed an excuse to kill someone, and Islamic terrorism gave him one. Much like Islamic terrorists.